Re: Autonomic Response Testing

May 23, 2002

Hello Kelli,

> We went to a chiropractor because my mil set it up and paid for it

> and I know she's just trying to help.

> This chiroprator has my head is swimming in all these terms:

>

> Autonomic Response Testing

> Chakras

> Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt

I consider Dr. Klinghardt to be pretty darned dangerous.

Klinghardt is a well-known mercury chelation doc, and I

think his methods are not good. He and Mercola have a

joint protocol that is listed on Mercola's website. I

don't recommend it I'm just saying so in case you need

to know where to find it.....

> Neural therapy

> Holistic healing

> Supplements

> Enzymes

> Dr. Uhlan

>

> I'm not so sure about all this, but my husband is convinced we

should

> try this as opposed to steroids.

I'm not sure what " this " is, so I won't comment. Actually, it

sounds like " this " may involve several things.

> First, this chiropractor has

healed

> my mil, fil, and several of their friends of various ailments, so

> there's plenty of family testimonials to support this doctor. The

> doc took our son and placed him on a table and then had me hold up

my

> arm while he tapped it as a " surrogate " to get responses.

Yeah, " muscle testing " can be done with the person being tested

or with use of a " surrogate " .

He said

he

> has some kind of " poisoning " - alcohol and DSM (a solvent) and he

> lacks enzymes neccessary for digestion. He found this out through

> laying bottles of materials- milk, soy, solvents, etc.- on my son's

> stomach and tapping my arm. When my arm went down, we " found the

> problem " .

Yes, you are describing mucsle testing, also called applied

kinesiology. Autonomic Response Testing is the same too, I think.

This is not acupuncture.

> I'm not convinced that he wasn't tapping my arm in some

> acupuncture kind of way so that it was different when he wanted a

> response. He said he didn't find anything neurological with our son

> and that doesn't comply with his Asperger's Syndrome dx, which we

> know is accurate. He also has been scoped twice this past year and

> in both scopes, he showed that he has all the enzymes to digest

> proteins. The doc (chiro) gave us two supplements from Standard

> Process, Inc. the ingredients concerned me but the chiro. said that

> there was no problem.

>

> The supplements are:

> Multizyme- main ingredients: fig (fruit), defatted almonds,

pancreatin

> (3x), fatty cids, bromelain, lipase, cellulase, papain, and amylase.

> The other ingredients are: gelatin, lactose (?!!!), water, colors,

> and calcium stearate.

>

> He said the other ingredients are in the gel cap so if we pour the

> powder in water and throw the cap away, we'd be ok. What about

cross-

> contamination? He said that pancreatic enzymes would help so no

> problem. Luke already has the pancreatic enzymes he needs so

> won't too much hurt him? The colors are of course, natural,

> according to him.

>

> The other is Parotid PMG, for the poisoning and the main ingredients

> are bovine parotid PMG extract and magnesium citrate- which is a

> laxative!!! The other ingredients are calcium lactate, cellulose,

> and calcium stearate.

>

> This all seems off to me but my dh really wants to try this. We

give

> him mag. citrate to prepare him for a scope; why would we give it to

> him any other time when it's so traumatic for him and we're trying

to

> avoid the diarrhea? This doctor also doesn't know about

eosinophilic

> disorders and has never heard of Asperger's Syndrome. He also made

> it abundantly clear that he's not treating our son for the

> eosinophilic colitis or the Asperger's Syndrome. He said he is

> strictly treating him for whatever " poison " (the alcohol and the

> solvent) he has and the enzymes he's lacking. I also have spiritual

> reservations, wondering about the chakras and energies he was

> discussing. For me personally, I have been praying and need to know

> what is of God. I know the specialist we have now (Dr. Putnam) is

of

> God. The chiro. said SL's behaviors are all dietary, which may be

> accurate, but it doesn't nix the need for therapy. Does anyone have

> thoughts on any of this?

My thoughts are that it is fine to use enzymes to help with digestion,

and the other stuff I don't know about, and that you STILL would

want to find out if your child is metal toxic by doing a hair test.

At least I would want to.

/files/HOW_TO_hair_test

best wishes,

Moria

May 23, 2002

Hi Kelli-- All I can say is that I use a naturopath for some " freaky "

treatments too-- and I must say they are WORKING on my children. My

son is getting calmer, more appropriate. He is SID only, but I don't

doubt that in 10 more years he would end up with an Asperger dx if I

don't fix some things now. Our dd had vax damage and the last two

weeks she is coming out of her shell--smiling all the time, laughing,

more interactive with people outside of family...

The naturopath is doing NAET which is another one of those " what is

this?? " kind of treatment. But it works. I had her treat me for a

terrible pollen right now in our area--scotch broom. I couldn't hold

my arm up either, and then after the treatments, I could. I know

what you are saying -- it's like, How? Why? But all I can say is

that my two kids are getting better and better as each week goes on.

It is one part of their treatment, and it is getting results. So we

keep going with it.

I know what you are saying about your son being scoped and having

enzymes there-- however, does the test show that the enzymes your son

has are doing their job? Meaning, my son's blood test for amino

acids show that yes, he has normal levels of amino acids. However, I

believe that his body is not UTILIZING those amino acids. Yes, my

son's testing shows he has magnesium, but he isn't UTILIZING it well

at all. So anyway-- just because a test showed the enzymes are

there, doesn't mean the body is doing what it needs to with them.

But then again, that is just my opinion.

If you are looking for the religious standpoint, I guess you have to

ask yourself would God have led you to this person for a reason?

Perhaps to try it and see what happens? If your feelings are very

strong that something will go wrong, then you should walk away. But

if your feelings are just that you don't understand what he is

saying, or not sure about it, then maybe you were meant to come to

this place. The whole chakra's thing etc. seems funky to me too.

BUT, I think, no actually I know, that my son has his guardian angels

looking out for him, and that the lessons they have shown me over the

years are to question everything, but also go with what I

am " feeling " , and to be willing to try something that seems new and

different so long as I am not getting a bad feeling about it. My

eyes have been opened up to many new things, many of which I can't

explain.

Good luck in making your decision,

W

> We went to a chiropractor because my mil set it up and paid for it

> and I know she's just trying to help.

> This chiroprator has my head is swimming in all these terms:

>

> Autonomic Response Testing

> Chakras

> Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt

> Neural therapy

> Holistic healing

> Supplements

> Enzymes

> Dr. Uhlan

>

> I'm not so sure about all this, but my husband is convinced we

should

> try this as opposed to steroids.

Kelli

May 23, 2002

Whoops-- I hit send-- what I wanted to say was, if you are getting a

really bad feeling, then you might want to heed that and just search

elsewhere. Just the same if you are getting a bad feeling about the

other doc recommending steroids. I have learned to ask questions and

then go with my gut instinct.

W

> We went to a chiropractor because my mil set it up and paid for it

> and I know she's just trying to help.

> This chiroprator has my head is swimming in all these terms:

>

> Autonomic Response Testing

> Chakras

> Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt

> Neural therapy

> Holistic healing

> Supplements

> Enzymes

> Dr. Uhlan

>

> I'm not so sure about all this, but my husband is convinced we

should

> try this as opposed to steroids.

> Kelli

May 23, 2002

Kelli,

I would give it a try. Doesn't sound as if this is anything that will

actually hurt your child. You will make your husband and mil happy by at

least giving this therapy a try. No harm done.

Ann

May 23, 2002

Kelli:

This sounds a lot like our doctor, too. Our daughter has made more gains in the

past four years since using this doctor than she has in the 14 years before

that.

Two suggestions that did not touch on:

1. Don't try everything at once. You might want to start with a few treatments,

no supplements or enzymes yet. See how it goes. Then add an enzyme or two.

I'm pretty sure you will see results within a month. Keep a journal. Include

diet. Tell the doctor what changes you notice, both good and bad, especially

any regressions: things that have been going well and then suddenly do an about

face.

Our doctor had won a significant battle with ocd behaviors. A year later, my

daughter came home with a note from her teacher: they were back. I spoke to

the teacher that night to find out that my daughter had been jumping rope in the

gym an hour before the incident, an activity guaranteed to jar all of the bones

in her head out of whack again. Fortunately, by the next morning she had

significantly recovered and a quick adjustment was all that was needed to bring

her back where she was before.

2. Try it yourself to see what it feels like. You will be amazed at the

difference in yourself when you are functioning at optimum. My entire family,

including my mom, my aunt, their friends, uses our doctor for everything from

hormone imbalances, asthma, sinusitis and digestive problems. Once you've tried

it yourself, then you will be better able to make a decision about treating your

child.

Best of luck,

Joan

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