Re: ADA Elections - New Blog Post

February 2, 2011

Pam

Why is it that the ADA prefers those with masters degrees and up? Why is it

that until now there has little or no candidates who have bachelor degrees? Why

is it whenever the call for volunteers are sent out anyone with a bachelor's

degree is excluded? Why is it getting published in the ADA journal doesn't

happen to dietitians with bachelors degrees? Why is it the Educational Task

Force has repeatedly tried to push that all dietitians have a minimum of masters

degrees? Why is it the Dietetic Technicans are in a potential dead end and

goals appear to trendning toward not having them in the future? Why are all of

the task forces are developed when trully it should be the members should vote

on issues?

Carol

(sent via Blackberry)

" You'll never do a whole lot unless you're brave enough to try. " ~ Dolly Parton

Re: ADA Elections - New Blog Post

> >

> > Not an ADA member so I can't vote but Becky Dorner is a well known

> RD,

> > especially anyone who has done LTC. Good luck to her!!

> >

> > On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Carol S. Casey

> ><carolscasey@...<carolscasey%40gmail.com>

> > >wrote:

> >

> > >

>

>http://dietitian-gone-mad.blogspot.com/2011/02/inner-professional-organization.\

html

> >l

> > >l

> > >

> > > --

> >

> > > " It is better to fail in originality than to succeed in

> imitation. "

> > > Herman Melville

> > >

> > > http://www.carolscasey.com

> > >

February 2, 2011

P.S. It is a real slap in the face when the call for volunteers is sent out and

I am perfectly qualified to fill the volunteer position, but I am immediately

excluded because I do not have a masters degree. I have tried time and time

again to dispute the decision to no avail.

(sent via Blackberry)

" You'll never do a whole lot unless you're brave enough to try. " ~ Dolly Parton

Re: ADA Elections - New Blog Post

> >

> > Not an ADA member so I can't vote but Becky Dorner is a well known

> RD,

> > especially anyone who has done LTC. Good luck to her!!

> >

> > On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Carol S. Casey

> ><carolscasey@...<carolscasey%40gmail.com>

> > >wrote:

> >

> > >

>

>http://dietitian-gone-mad.blogspot.com/2011/02/inner-professional-organization.\

html

> >l

> > >l

> > >

> > > --

> >

> > > " It is better to fail in originality than to succeed in

> imitation. "

> > > Herman Melville

> > >

> > > http://www.carolscasey.com

> > >

February 2, 2011

P.S. It is a real slap in the face when the call for volunteers is sent out and

I am perfectly qualified to fill the volunteer position, but I am immediately

excluded because I do not have a masters degree. I have tried time and time

again to dispute the decision to no avail.

(sent via Blackberry)

" You'll never do a whole lot unless you're brave enough to try. " ~ Dolly Parton

Re: ADA Elections - New Blog Post

> >

> > Not an ADA member so I can't vote but Becky Dorner is a well known

> RD,

> > especially anyone who has done LTC. Good luck to her!!

> >

> > On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Carol S. Casey

> ><carolscasey@...<carolscasey%40gmail.com>

> > >wrote:

> >

> > >

>

>http://dietitian-gone-mad.blogspot.com/2011/02/inner-professional-organization.\

html

> >l

> > >l

> > >

> > > --

> >

> > > " It is better to fail in originality than to succeed in

> imitation. "

> > > Herman Melville

> > >

> > > http://www.carolscasey.com

> > >

February 2, 2011

P.S. It is a real slap in the face when the call for volunteers is sent out and

I am perfectly qualified to fill the volunteer position, but I am immediately

excluded because I do not have a masters degree. I have tried time and time

again to dispute the decision to no avail.

(sent via Blackberry)

" You'll never do a whole lot unless you're brave enough to try. " ~ Dolly Parton

Re: ADA Elections - New Blog Post

> >

> > Not an ADA member so I can't vote but Becky Dorner is a well known

> RD,

> > especially anyone who has done LTC. Good luck to her!!

> >

> > On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Carol S. Casey

> ><carolscasey@...<carolscasey%40gmail.com>

> > >wrote:

> >

> > >

>

>http://dietitian-gone-mad.blogspot.com/2011/02/inner-professional-organization.\

html

> >l

> > >l

> > >

> > > --

> >

> > > " It is better to fail in originality than to succeed in

> imitation. "

> > > Herman Melville

> > >

> > > http://www.carolscasey.com

> > >

February 2, 2011

P.S. It is a real slap in the face when the call for volunteers is sent out and

I am perfectly qualified to fill the volunteer position, but I am immediately

excluded because I do not have a masters degree. I have tried time and time

again to dispute the decision to no avail.

(sent via Blackberry)

" You'll never do a whole lot unless you're brave enough to try. " ~ Dolly Parton

Re: ADA Elections - New Blog Post

> >

> > Not an ADA member so I can't vote but Becky Dorner is a well known

> RD,

> > especially anyone who has done LTC. Good luck to her!!

> >

> > On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Carol S. Casey

> ><carolscasey@...<carolscasey%40gmail.com>

> > >wrote:

> >

> > >

>

>http://dietitian-gone-mad.blogspot.com/2011/02/inner-professional-organization.\

html

> >l

> > >l

> > >

> > > --

> >

> > > " It is better to fail in originality than to succeed in

> imitation. "

> > > Herman Melville

> > >

> > > http://www.carolscasey.com

> > >

February 2, 2011

Carol,

From what specific volunteer positions have you been excluded?

From: carolscasey@...

Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 8:13 PM

To: RD-USA

Subject: Re: ADA Elections - New Blog Post

P.S. It is a real slap in the face when the call for volunteers is sent out and

I am perfectly qualified to fill the volunteer position, but I am immediately

excluded because I do not have a masters degree. I have tried time and time

again to dispute the decision to no avail.

(sent via Blackberry)

" You'll never do a whole lot unless you're brave enough to try. " ~ Dolly Parton

Re: ADA Elections - New Blog Post

> >

> > Not an ADA member so I can't vote but Becky Dorner is a well known

> RD,

> > especially anyone who has done LTC. Good luck to her!!

> >

> > On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Carol S. Casey

> ><mailto:carolscasey%40gmail.com<carolscasey%40gmail.com>

> > >wrote:

> >

> > >

>

>http://dietitian-gone-mad.blogspot.com/2011/02/inner-professional-organization.\

html

> >l

> > >l

> > >

> > > --

> >

> > > " It is better to fail in originality than to succeed in

> imitation. "

> > > Herman Melville

> > >

> > > http://www.carolscasey.com

> > >

February 2, 2011

Can one be an RD without a brain? just saying!

Raphaela

>

> >

>

>http://dietitian-gone-mad.blogspot.com/2011/02/inner-professional-organization.\

html

> >l

> >

> > --

> > " It is better to fail in originality than to succeed in imitation. "

> > Herman Melville

> >

> > http://www.carolscasey.com

> >

February 2, 2011

Can one be an RD without a brain? just saying!

Raphaela

>

> >

>

>http://dietitian-gone-mad.blogspot.com/2011/02/inner-professional-organization.\

html

> >l

> >

> > --

> > " It is better to fail in originality than to succeed in imitation. "

> > Herman Melville

> >

> > http://www.carolscasey.com

> >

February 2, 2011

Carol,

I'm actually on my way in the morning (weather permitting) to a board

meeting. I'll send along your concerns.

To be honest, I feel that we do need to move in the direction of

requiring an MS for entry level practice. Notice I said " move " . I said

nothing about requiring those now in practice at the BS level to do

anything. But if we look at the other health professions, the trend is

for more education, not less. There has yet to be a study showing that

more education leads to less income. In fact, the opposite is true.

Much of this, however, is up to the individual. If managers say that

positions can be filled with " BS or MS " , then there is no incentive to

budge salary. It's a hard transition, and no, rest assured, ADA is NOT

moving in that direction. My opinions are simply that. Opinions. My

personal experience is that additional education has been so

beneficial that I'm actually working on a second MS, this time in

informatics. However, my personal opinions aside, ADA has not moved to

require anyone obtain an advanced degree. That's a personal decision

that each dietetics professional must make based on their goals and

personal vision.

However, you didn't ask my opinion. Do you have data that demonstrates

your claim? I'm not aware of anyone who is screening for educational

level unless the position in question requires an advanced degree. For

example, positions working with the evidence analysis projects do

require an advanced degree. At the BS level we simply don't have

enough exposure to the research process to be able to take on these

challenging positions.

No one has made a move to eliminate the DTR; in fact, we now have the

ability to increase numbers of DTRs through additional routes to

registration for those folks. I would agree that there's much more

work to do in positioning the DTR; that again requires strong

partnerships between leaders and managers/clinicians. If we promote

the DTR at the board level, but those in practice don't hire them,

we're at a stalemate, aren't we?

Members do vote on issues, through the House of Delegates. All members

are members of their affiliate. Each affiliate has representation in

the HoD. Each practice group has representation. Those delegates often

are trying diligently to obtain input from members. I'd love to see

you join ADA, contact your affiliate delegate and volunteer to serve.

Regards,

pam

Pam Charney

pcharney@...

> Pam

> Why is it that the ADA prefers those with masters degrees and up?

> Why is it that until now there has little or no candidates who have

> bachelor degrees? Why is it whenever the call for volunteers are

> sent out anyone with a bachelor's degree is excluded? Why is it

> getting published in the ADA journal doesn't happen to dietitians

> with bachelors degrees? Why is it the Educational Task Force has

> repeatedly tried to push that all dietitians have a minimum of

> masters degrees? Why is it the Dietetic Technicans are in a

> potential dead end and goals appear to trendning toward not having

> them in the future? Why are all of the task forces are developed

> when trully it should be the members should vote on issues?

> Carol

> (sent via Blackberry)

> " You'll never do a whole lot unless you're brave enough to try. " ~

> Dolly Parton

>

> Re: ADA Elections - New Blog Post

> > >

> > > Not an ADA member so I can't vote but Becky Dorner is a well known

> > RD,

> > > especially anyone who has done LTC. Good luck to her!!

> > >

> > > On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Carol S. Casey

> > ><carolscasey@...<carolscasey%40gmail.com>

> > > >wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> >

>http://dietitian-gone-mad.blogspot.com/2011/02/inner-professional-organization.\

html

> > >l

> > > >l

> > > >

> > > > --

> > >

> > > > " It is better to fail in originality than to succeed in

> > imitation. "

> > > > Herman Melville

> > > >

> > > > http://www.carolscasey.com

> > > >

February 2, 2011

Here is my 2 cents. I quit ADA when The president of the Renal Practice Group

asked why I had not joined. At the time I was a CRN. It was the year I joined 4

practice groups none of which had ever received any notice that I had joined

their group. I called ADA and asked about why they had not notified the practice

groups I had joined. I was told that was up to me to tell them I had joined. I

asked what happened to the monies I sent in, about $100 above the membership

fee. I was told that there was no way of knowing where or if the monies I said I

sent had been received. Apparently fiscal responsibility was not an important

aspect of ADA. ADA reps that I have met have either been incompetent or just

rude and dictatorial. I have seen ADA reps intimidate interns to the point of

embarrassment of the Internship Director. In the past when I was a member I was

informed that my opinion was of no importance and not needed. The last thing I

read in the journal was the job ads. It was real sad to see that in the last

year the fourth repeat of the same graduate study on the Navajo nation that I

read in the 1970's, 1980's & 1990's. Texas does not have a good licensing law in

place anyone can call themselves a dietitian. At the time the ADA rep

discouraged any active opposition to the the people a posing RDs because ADA

might get sued. More and more of us are getting disillusioned with ADA there are

even a small number of Dietitian Groups that are not ADA affiliates. If ADA

doesn't stop and get it's head out of the sand, take off the white gloves and

become a real professional organization it will go by the way, wither and die.

Jackie Chase RD

Dillingham AK

February 2, 2011

Please see my comments below.

Jackie, I'm sorry you had a bad experience in the past. I'd urge you

to give your professional organization another try. You'll find things

much different.

pam

Pam Charney, PhD, RD

Affiliate Associate Professor

Pharmacy

MS Student

Clinical Informatics and Patient Centered Technology

School of Nursing

University of Washington

Seattle, WA

pcharney@...

http://www.linkedin.com/in/pamcharney

> Here is my 2 cents. I quit ADA when The president of the Renal

> Practice Group asked why I had not joined. At the time I was a CRN.

> It was the year I joined 4 practice groups none of which had ever

> received any notice that I had joined their group. I called ADA and

> asked about why they had not notified the practice groups I had

> joined. I belong to 4 practice groups. To be honest, some of them,

> particularly the smaller groups, often do not have the ability to

> personally welcome each new member. However, all have a membership

> chair. There's nothing wrong with finding that person, contacting

> them, and saying " here I am! I want to get involved! " The larger

> practice groups, and those with a larger volunteer base, often have

> the resources to send welcome packets or welcoming emails. Perhaps

> that's a niche you can fill; if you feel strongly that each new

> member should be welcomed to your practice group, most would love to

> have you volunteer your expertise in doing so!

>

> I was told that was up to me to tell them I had joined. I asked what

> happened to the monies I sent in, about $100 above the membership

> fee. I was told that there was no way of knowing where or if the

> monies I said I sent had been received. Apparently fiscal

> responsibility was not an important aspect of ADA. This is

> definitely not the case now. I can assure you of that. Feel free to

> contact ADA if you'd like more information about how finances are

> handled. I've chaired a practice group in the past. We kept very,

> very accurate accounts and were fiscally responsible. ADA reps that

> I have met have either been incompetent or just rude and

> dictatorial. Hmmmm, I guess my kids might call me dictatorial.

> Perhaps some of my employees might as well. Rude? If you catch me

> before I've had my morning coffee, all bets are off. I have seen ADA

> reps intimidate interns to the point of embarrassment of the

> Internship Director.Internship preceptors are not ADA reps. They are

> practicing RDs who give their time to train the next generation. In

> the past when I was a member I was informed that my opinion was of

> no importance and not needed. Give it a try now. ADA now has a

> mechanism to make your concerns known. It's the Issues Management

> process. There's a link on the website. Each issue is brought to a

> group of folks who respond. Now I cannot say that everything that's

> submitted is acted on. As with all organizations, ADA is limited by

> staff and volunteer time and money. The last thing I read in the

> journal was the job ads. It was real sad to see that in the last

> year the fourth repeat of the same graduate study on the Navajo

> nation that I read in the 1970's, 1980's & 1990's. Could you forward

> that citation to me? Texas does not have a good licensing law in

> place anyone can call themselves a dietitian. At the time the ADA

> rep discouraged any active opposition to the the people a posing RDs

> because ADA might get sued. Actually, if you see violations of

> licensure, you should report them at the state level; that's the

> responsibility of all of us. More and more of us are getting

> disillusioned with ADA there are even a small number of Dietitian

> Groups that are not ADA affiliates. If ADA doesn't stop and get it's

> head out of the sand, take off the white gloves and become a real

> professional organization it will go by the way, wither and die.

> Volunteers lead the direction of your professional organization.

> Please, join, take the time to volunteer and help guide our

> profession's future.

>

Warmest regards,

pam

>

> Jackie Chase RD

> Dillingham AK

>

February 2, 2011

Bottom line, Dietitians have no authority or clout in healthcare,

government nutrition programs, school foodservice or the food

industry. All the education and training in the world means nothing

without authority. Our MNT becomes an opinion, our advice is not

followed, our menus are not followed or food prepared correctly, our

patients are not fed, most ill Americans never get our services and

hospitals, nursing homes, living centers and healthcare facilities

have very few dietitians!

Sent from my iPhone

> Please see my comments below.

>

> Jackie, I'm sorry you had a bad experience in the past. I'd urge you

> to give your professional organization another try. You'll find things

> much different.

>

> pam

> Pam Charney, PhD, RD

> Affiliate Associate Professor

> Pharmacy

>

> MS Student

> Clinical Informatics and Patient Centered Technology

> School of Nursing

>

> University of Washington

> Seattle, WA

> pcharney@...

> http://www.linkedin.com/in/pamcharney

>

>> Here is my 2 cents. I quit ADA when The president of the Renal

>> Practice Group asked why I had not joined. At the time I was a CRN.

>> It was the year I joined 4 practice groups none of which had ever

>> received any notice that I had joined their group. I called ADA and

>> asked about why they had not notified the practice groups I had

>> joined. I belong to 4 practice groups. To be honest, some of them,

>> particularly the smaller groups, often do not have the ability to

>> personally welcome each new member. However, all have a membership

>> chair. There's nothing wrong with finding that person, contacting

>> them, and saying " here I am! I want to get involved! " The larger

>> practice groups, and those with a larger volunteer base, often have

>> the resources to send welcome packets or welcoming emails. Perhaps

>> that's a niche you can fill; if you feel strongly that each new

>> member should be welcomed to your practice group, most would love to

>> have you volunteer your expertise in doing so!

>>

>

>> I was told that was up to me to tell them I had joined. I asked what

>> happened to the monies I sent in, about $100 above the membership

>> fee. I was told that there was no way of knowing where or if the

>> monies I said I sent had been received. Apparently fiscal

>> responsibility was not an important aspect of ADA. This is

>> definitely not the case now. I can assure you of that. Feel free to

>> contact ADA if you'd like more information about how finances are

>> handled. I've chaired a practice group in the past. We kept very,

>> very accurate accounts and were fiscally responsible. ADA reps that

>> I have met have either been incompetent or just rude and

>> dictatorial. Hmmmm, I guess my kids might call me dictatorial.

>> Perhaps some of my employees might as well. Rude? If you catch me

>> before I've had my morning coffee, all bets are off. I have seen ADA

>> reps intimidate interns to the point of embarrassment of the

>> Internship Director.Internship preceptors are not ADA reps. They are

>> practicing RDs who give their time to train the next generation. In

>> the past when I was a member I was informed that my opinion was of

>> no importance and not needed. Give it a try now. ADA now has a

>> mechanism to make your concerns known. It's the Issues Management

>> process. There's a link on the website. Each issue is brought to a

>> group of folks who respond. Now I cannot say that everything that's

>> submitted is acted on. As with all organizations, ADA is limited by

>> staff and volunteer time and money. The last thing I read in the

>> journal was the job ads. It was real sad to see that in the last

>> year the fourth repeat of the same graduate study on the Navajo

>> nation that I read in the 1970's, 1980's & 1990's. Could you forward

>> that citation to me? Texas does not have a good licensing law in

>> place anyone can call themselves a dietitian. At the time the ADA

>> rep discouraged any active opposition to the the people a posing RDs

>> because ADA might get sued. Actually, if you see violations of

>> licensure, you should report them at the state level; that's the

>> responsibility of all of us. More and more of us are getting

>> disillusioned with ADA there are even a small number of Dietitian

>> Groups that are not ADA affiliates. If ADA doesn't stop and get it's

>> head out of the sand, take off the white gloves and become a real

>> professional organization it will go by the way, wither and die.

>> Volunteers lead the direction of your professional organization.

>> Please, join, take the time to volunteer and help guide our

>> profession's future.

>>

> Warmest regards,

> pam

>

>>

>> Jackie Chase RD

>> Dillingham AK

>>

>

February 2, 2011