Re: ADA Elections - New Blog Post

February 3, 2011

,

Fear not. When I talk about advanced degrees, that's in reference to

the MS, MPH, PhD, DCN, MBA. I'm sure there are others in the works as

well.

Again, no one is asking/telling you now or ever that you have to go

back to obtain another degree. ADA is not focusing on only those who

have advanced degrees. ADA is focusing on helping the RD become the

best the RD can be and to support the goal to improve the health and

nutrition of the folks we care for.

Let's try to move beyond this focus on what ADA can do for you. What

can you do for ADA? After all, we ARE ADA!

Pam Charney, PhD, RD

Affiliate Associate Professor

Pharmacy

MS Student

Clinical Informatics and Patient Centered Technology

School of Nursing

University of Washington

Seattle, WA

pcharney@...

http://www.linkedin.com/in/pamcharney

> I read this response with a little concern. Does this mean the MPH I

> worked very hard for has no credibility with the ADA? The MPH was

> combined with my dietetic internship. You only mention an MS. I do

> not at all, have the funds to go back and get an MS. I have a family

> to support.

> If the ADA is only focusing on members that have earned an MS I

> don't think I want to be a member.

>

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

>http://dietitian-gone-mad.blogspot.com/2011/02/inner-professional-organization.\

html

> > > > >l

> > > > > >l

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --

> > > > >

> > > > > > " It is better to fail in originality

> > than to succeed in

> > > > imitation. "

> > > > > > Herman Melville

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.carolscasey.com

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

> > been removed]

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --

> > > > > Ortiz, MS, RD

> > > > > *The FRUGAL Dietitian* <http://www.thefrugaldietitian.com>

> > > > >

> > > > > Check out my blog: mixture of deals and

> > nutrition

> > > > >

> > > > > Tip for Healthy Eating and Losing

> > Weight<

> > > > > http://thefrugaldietitian.com/?p=13497>

> > > > > **

> > > > > <http://thefrugaldietitian.com/?p=12001><

> > > > > http://thefrugaldietitian.com/?p=10437> " Nutrition

> > > > >

> > > > > is a science, Not an Opinion survey "

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

February 3, 2011

,

Fear not. When I talk about advanced degrees, that's in reference to

the MS, MPH, PhD, DCN, MBA. I'm sure there are others in the works as

well.

Again, no one is asking/telling you now or ever that you have to go

back to obtain another degree. ADA is not focusing on only those who

have advanced degrees. ADA is focusing on helping the RD become the

best the RD can be and to support the goal to improve the health and

nutrition of the folks we care for.

Let's try to move beyond this focus on what ADA can do for you. What

can you do for ADA? After all, we ARE ADA!

Pam Charney, PhD, RD

Affiliate Associate Professor

Pharmacy

MS Student

Clinical Informatics and Patient Centered Technology

School of Nursing

University of Washington

Seattle, WA

pcharney@...

http://www.linkedin.com/in/pamcharney

> I read this response with a little concern. Does this mean the MPH I

> worked very hard for has no credibility with the ADA? The MPH was

> combined with my dietetic internship. You only mention an MS. I do

> not at all, have the funds to go back and get an MS. I have a family

> to support.

> If the ADA is only focusing on members that have earned an MS I

> don't think I want to be a member.

>

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

>http://dietitian-gone-mad.blogspot.com/2011/02/inner-professional-organization.\

html

> > > > >l

> > > > > >l

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --

> > > > >

> > > > > > " It is better to fail in originality

> > than to succeed in

> > > > imitation. "

> > > > > > Herman Melville

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.carolscasey.com

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

> > been removed]

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --

> > > > > Ortiz, MS, RD

> > > > > *The FRUGAL Dietitian* <http://www.thefrugaldietitian.com>

> > > > >

> > > > > Check out my blog: mixture of deals and

> > nutrition

> > > > >

> > > > > Tip for Healthy Eating and Losing

> > Weight<

> > > > > http://thefrugaldietitian.com/?p=13497>

> > > > > **

> > > > > <http://thefrugaldietitian.com/?p=12001><

> > > > > http://thefrugaldietitian.com/?p=10437> " Nutrition

> > > > >

> > > > > is a science, Not an Opinion survey "

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

February 3, 2011

,

Fear not. When I talk about advanced degrees, that's in reference to

the MS, MPH, PhD, DCN, MBA. I'm sure there are others in the works as

well.

Again, no one is asking/telling you now or ever that you have to go

back to obtain another degree. ADA is not focusing on only those who

have advanced degrees. ADA is focusing on helping the RD become the

best the RD can be and to support the goal to improve the health and

nutrition of the folks we care for.

Let's try to move beyond this focus on what ADA can do for you. What

can you do for ADA? After all, we ARE ADA!

Pam Charney, PhD, RD

Affiliate Associate Professor

Pharmacy

MS Student

Clinical Informatics and Patient Centered Technology

School of Nursing

University of Washington

Seattle, WA

pcharney@...

http://www.linkedin.com/in/pamcharney

> I read this response with a little concern. Does this mean the MPH I

> worked very hard for has no credibility with the ADA? The MPH was

> combined with my dietetic internship. You only mention an MS. I do

> not at all, have the funds to go back and get an MS. I have a family

> to support.

> If the ADA is only focusing on members that have earned an MS I

> don't think I want to be a member.

>

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

>http://dietitian-gone-mad.blogspot.com/2011/02/inner-professional-organization.\

html

> > > > >l

> > > > > >l

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --

> > > > >

> > > > > > " It is better to fail in originality

> > than to succeed in

> > > > imitation. "

> > > > > > Herman Melville

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.carolscasey.com

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

> > been removed]

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --

> > > > > Ortiz, MS, RD

> > > > > *The FRUGAL Dietitian* <http://www.thefrugaldietitian.com>

> > > > >

> > > > > Check out my blog: mixture of deals and

> > nutrition

> > > > >

> > > > > Tip for Healthy Eating and Losing

> > Weight<

> > > > > http://thefrugaldietitian.com/?p=13497>

> > > > > **

> > > > > <http://thefrugaldietitian.com/?p=12001><

> > > > > http://thefrugaldietitian.com/?p=10437> " Nutrition

> > > > >

> > > > > is a science, Not an Opinion survey "

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

February 3, 2011

,

That is your personal choice. If I want to pursue a job now that

requires a degree I don't have, then I either have to get the degree

or not pursue the job.

We sometimes forget a few basic facts. First, knowledge in healthcare

is expanding at exponential rates. Healthcare is so much more complex

than it ever has been. Many employers are realizing that and in order

to ensure safe, high quality care are asking for higher level degrees.

Not all, but many. Second, we forget that the focus here is on our

patients and clients. Not us. We have to ask ourselves " Am I able to

provide safe, high-quality care? "

Regards,

Pam Charney, PhD, RD

Affiliate Associate Professor

Pharmacy

MS Student

Clinical Informatics and Patient Centered Technology

School of Nursing

University of Washington

Seattle, WA

pcharney@...

http://www.linkedin.com/in/pamcharney

> What concerns me about requiring a MS is what about us that do not

> have one?!?! Yeah, we'll be grandfathered in and it won't be an

> issue with us not being a RD. But what happens when we want to

> pursue another job and they require an MS... all b/c it will be

> required for the new RD's? Will I even be considered for the

> position if I don't have a MS even though I have years of experience?

>

> From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On

> Behalf Of Gilpin

> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 10:45 AM

> To: rd-usa

> Subject: Re: ADA Elections - New Blog Post

>

> I read this response with a little concern. Does this mean the MPH I

> worked very hard for has no credibility with the ADA? The MPH was

> combined with my dietetic internship. You only mention an MS. I do

> not at all, have the funds to go back and get an MS. I have a family

> to support.

> If the ADA is only focusing on members that have earned an MS I

> don't think I want to be a member.

>

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

>http://dietitian-gone-mad.blogspot.com/2011/02/inner-professional-organization.\

html

> > > > >l

> > > > > >l

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --

> > > > >

> > > > > > " It is better to fail in originality

> > than to succeed in

> > > > imitation. "

> > > > > > Herman Melville

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.carolscasey.com

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

> > been removed]

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --

> > > > > Ortiz, MS, RD

> > > > > *The FRUGAL Dietitian* <http://www.thefrugaldietitian.com>

> > > > >

> > > > > Check out my blog: mixture of deals and

> > nutrition

> > > > >

> > > > > Tip for Healthy Eating and Losing

> > Weight<

> > > > > http://thefrugaldietitian.com/?p=13497>

> > > > > **

> > > > > <http://thefrugaldietitian.com/?p=12001><

> > > > > http://thefrugaldietitian.com/?p=10437> " Nutrition

> > > > >

> > > > > is a science, Not an Opinion survey "

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

February 3, 2011

,

That is your personal choice. If I want to pursue a job now that

requires a degree I don't have, then I either have to get the degree

or not pursue the job.

We sometimes forget a few basic facts. First, knowledge in healthcare

is expanding at exponential rates. Healthcare is so much more complex

than it ever has been. Many employers are realizing that and in order

to ensure safe, high quality care are asking for higher level degrees.

Not all, but many. Second, we forget that the focus here is on our

patients and clients. Not us. We have to ask ourselves " Am I able to

provide safe, high-quality care? "

Regards,

Pam Charney, PhD, RD

Affiliate Associate Professor

Pharmacy

MS Student

Clinical Informatics and Patient Centered Technology

School of Nursing

University of Washington

Seattle, WA

pcharney@...

http://www.linkedin.com/in/pamcharney

> What concerns me about requiring a MS is what about us that do not

> have one?!?! Yeah, we'll be grandfathered in and it won't be an

> issue with us not being a RD. But what happens when we want to

> pursue another job and they require an MS... all b/c it will be

> required for the new RD's? Will I even be considered for the

> position if I don't have a MS even though I have years of experience?

>

> From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On

> Behalf Of Gilpin

> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 10:45 AM

> To: rd-usa

> Subject: Re: ADA Elections - New Blog Post

>

> I read this response with a little concern. Does this mean the MPH I

> worked very hard for has no credibility with the ADA? The MPH was

> combined with my dietetic internship. You only mention an MS. I do

> not at all, have the funds to go back and get an MS. I have a family

> to support.

> If the ADA is only focusing on members that have earned an MS I

> don't think I want to be a member.

>

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

>http://dietitian-gone-mad.blogspot.com/2011/02/inner-professional-organization.\

html

> > > > >l

> > > > > >l

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --

> > > > >

> > > > > > " It is better to fail in originality

> > than to succeed in

> > > > imitation. "

> > > > > > Herman Melville

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.carolscasey.com

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

> > been removed]

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --

> > > > > Ortiz, MS, RD

> > > > > *The FRUGAL Dietitian* <http://www.thefrugaldietitian.com>

> > > > >

> > > > > Check out my blog: mixture of deals and

> > nutrition

> > > > >

> > > > > Tip for Healthy Eating and Losing

> > Weight<

> > > > > http://thefrugaldietitian.com/?p=13497>

> > > > > **

> > > > > <http://thefrugaldietitian.com/?p=12001><

> > > > > http://thefrugaldietitian.com/?p=10437> " Nutrition

> > > > >

> > > > > is a science, Not an Opinion survey "

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

February 3, 2011

,

That is your personal choice. If I want to pursue a job now that

requires a degree I don't have, then I either have to get the degree

or not pursue the job.

We sometimes forget a few basic facts. First, knowledge in healthcare

is expanding at exponential rates. Healthcare is so much more complex

than it ever has been. Many employers are realizing that and in order

to ensure safe, high quality care are asking for higher level degrees.

Not all, but many. Second, we forget that the focus here is on our

patients and clients. Not us. We have to ask ourselves " Am I able to

provide safe, high-quality care? "

Regards,

Pam Charney, PhD, RD

Affiliate Associate Professor

Pharmacy

MS Student

Clinical Informatics and Patient Centered Technology

School of Nursing

University of Washington

Seattle, WA

pcharney@...

http://www.linkedin.com/in/pamcharney

> What concerns me about requiring a MS is what about us that do not

> have one?!?! Yeah, we'll be grandfathered in and it won't be an

> issue with us not being a RD. But what happens when we want to

> pursue another job and they require an MS... all b/c it will be

> required for the new RD's? Will I even be considered for the

> position if I don't have a MS even though I have years of experience?

>

> From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On

> Behalf Of Gilpin

> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 10:45 AM

> To: rd-usa

> Subject: Re: ADA Elections - New Blog Post

>

> I read this response with a little concern. Does this mean the MPH I

> worked very hard for has no credibility with the ADA? The MPH was

> combined with my dietetic internship. You only mention an MS. I do

> not at all, have the funds to go back and get an MS. I have a family

> to support.

> If the ADA is only focusing on members that have earned an MS I

> don't think I want to be a member.

>

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

>http://dietitian-gone-mad.blogspot.com/2011/02/inner-professional-organization.\

html

> > > > >l

> > > > > >l

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --

> > > > >

> > > > > > " It is better to fail in originality

> > than to succeed in

> > > > imitation. "

> > > > > > Herman Melville

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.carolscasey.com

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

> > been removed]

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --

> > > > > Ortiz, MS, RD

> > > > > *The FRUGAL Dietitian* <http://www.thefrugaldietitian.com>

> > > > >

> > > > > Check out my blog: mixture of deals and

> > nutrition

> > > > >

> > > > > Tip for Healthy Eating and Losing

> > Weight<

> > > > > http://thefrugaldietitian.com/?p=13497>

> > > > > **

> > > > > <http://thefrugaldietitian.com/?p=12001><

> > > > > http://thefrugaldietitian.com/?p=10437> " Nutrition

> > > > >

> > > > > is a science, Not an Opinion survey "

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

February 3, 2011

I can't come up with an advantage that makes membership worth it for me. I just

can't justify it in my personal circumstances. I'm doing just fine without

membership and cannot find anything I'm missing that I need to have. Sorry, but

I've heard all the reasons for being a member and they don't add up for me.

W. Rowell, RD, LN

Montana State Hospital, Warm Spring, MT

Consultant Dietitian, Long Term Care

Certified LEAP Therapist

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

Madalyn Friedberg

Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 5:49 PM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Re: ADA Elections - New Blog Post

the cost of ADA membership and the DPG's is tax deductible....reconsider your

decison...ADA needs all who can think..I am being serious. I do think about the

cost of membership every year. Then I remember my college advisor in 1960 who

told me how important ADA membership was. She said if I was deciding between

membership and buying my child a new pair of shoes..think hard. I have always

remembered her advise....and continue my membership. My daughter is now on the

HOD. Guess I did something right.

Madalyn

________________________________

From: Ortiz <nrord1@...<mailto:nrord1%40gmail.com>>

To: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Wed, February 2, 2011 7:27:30 PM

Subject: Re: ADA Elections - New Blog Post

Well you left me open for the jokes and the brain :-) Being frugal I

couldn't justify the cost. I am self-employed so everything comes out of my

pocket. I will admit the main reason I joined in the years past was for the

great DPG groups.

On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Madalyn Friedberg

<mffrd10019@...<mailto:mffrd10019%40yahoo.com>>wrote:

>

> ,

>

> Why are you not an ADA member? ADA needs all RD's with a brain to be

> members.

> Madalyn

>

> ________________________________

> From: Ortiz <nrord1@...<mailto:nrord1%40gmail.com>

<nrord1%40gmail.com>>

>

> To: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

<rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> Sent: Wed, February 2, 2011 7:03:36 AM

>

> Subject: Re: ADA Elections - New Blog Post

>

> Not an ADA member so I can't vote but Becky Dorner is a well known RD,

> especially anyone who has done LTC. Good luck to her!!

>

> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Carol S. Casey

><carolscasey@...<mailto:carolscasey%40gmail.com><carolscasey%40gmail.com>

> >wrote:

>

> >

>http://dietitian-gone-mad.blogspot.com/2011/02/inner-professional-organization.\

html

>l

> >l

> >

> > --

>

> > " It is better to fail in originality than to succeed in imitation. "

> > Herman Melville

> >

> > http://www.carolscasey.com

> >

February 3, 2011

I don't think an advance degree is going to lead to higher pay at my hospital or

any other hospital in this economy. Not when hospitals are facing bad debt due

to caring for an indigent population.

All wages are frozen. Before this year, we could move to a higher pay grade

with an advance degree or a certification. Reimbursement is the key in my

opinion.

I worked on an evidence base analysis project for ADA. I was the only BS. It

was intimidating but I spoke up and feel that I added 2 small but significant

contributions due to my knowledge of hospital functions and working on hospital

comittees (i.e. the NPSG from JACHO). My manager was impressed but overall

finds the library website cumbersome and does not use it as her first resource.

I just completed the continuing ed on Research from the dpg dietitians in

nutrition support. (Support line 2/2010) Some of it was review and some was

new. Mostly I was inspired to look into the Dietetics Practice based research

network. No where in this issue were you encouraged to have an advance degree.

I'm going to be disappointed if that's the case.

Full disclosure I am an ADA member.

Marie

________________________________

To: rd-usa

Sent: Wed, February 2, 2011 8:50:05 PM

Subject: Re: ADA Elections - New Blog Post

Carol,

I'm actually on my way in the morning (weather permitting) to a board

meeting. I'll send along your concerns.

To be honest, I feel that we do need to move in the direction of

requiring an MS for entry level practice. Notice I said " move " . I said

nothing about requiring those now in practice at the BS level to do

anything. But if we look at the other health professions, the trend is

for more education, not less. There has yet to be a study showing that

more education leads to less income. In fact, the opposite is true.

Much of this, however, is up to the individual. If managers say that

positions can be filled with " BS or MS " , then there is no incentive to

budge salary. It's a hard transition, and no, rest assured, ADA is NOT

moving in that direction. My opinions are simply that. Opinions. My

personal experience is that additional education has been so

beneficial that I'm actually working on a second MS, this time in

informatics. However, my personal opinions aside, ADA has not moved to

require anyone obtain an advanced degree. That's a personal decision

that each dietetics professional must make based on their goals and

personal vision.

However, you didn't ask my opinion. Do you have data that demonstrates

your claim? I'm not aware of anyone who is screening for educational

level unless the position in question requires an advanced degree. For

example, positions working with the evidence analysis projects do

require an advanced degree. At the BS level we simply don't have

enough exposure to the research process to be able to take on these

challenging positions.

No one has made a move to eliminate the DTR; in fact, we now have the

ability to increase numbers of DTRs through additional routes to

registration for those folks. I would agree that there's much more

work to do in positioning the DTR; that again requires strong

partnerships between leaders and managers/clinicians. If we promote

the DTR at the board level, but those in practice don't hire them,

we're at a stalemate, aren't we?

Members do vote on issues, through the House of Delegates. All members

are members of their affiliate. Each affiliate has representation in

the HoD. Each practice group has representation. Those delegates often

are trying diligently to obtain input from members. I'd love to see

you join ADA, contact your affiliate delegate and volunteer to serve.

Regards,

pam

Pam Charney

pcharney@...

> Pam

> Why is it that the ADA prefers those with masters degrees and up?

> Why is it that until now there has little or no candidates who have

> bachelor degrees? Why is it whenever the call for volunteers are

> sent out anyone with a bachelor's degree is excluded? Why is it

> getting published in the ADA journal doesn't happen to dietitians

> with bachelors degrees? Why is it the Educational Task Force has

> repeatedly tried to push that all dietitians have a minimum of

> masters degrees? Why is it the Dietetic Technicans are in a

> potential dead end and goals appear to trendning toward not having

> them in the future? Why are all of the task forces are developed

> when trully it should be the members should vote on issues?

> Carol

> (sent via Blackberry)

> " You'll never do a whole lot unless you're brave enough to try. " ~

> Dolly Parton

>

> Re: ADA Elections - New Blog Post

> > >

> > > Not an ADA member so I can't vote but Becky Dorner is a well known

> > RD,

> > > especially anyone who has done LTC. Good luck to her!!

> > >

> > > On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Carol S. Casey

> > ><carolscasey@...<carolscasey%40gmail.com>

> > > >wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> >

>>http://dietitian-gone-mad.blogspot.com/2011/02/inner-professional-organization\

..html

>

> > >l

> > > >l

> > > >

> > > > --

> > >

> > > > " It is better to fail in originality than to succeed in

> > imitation. "

> > > > Herman Melville

> > > >

> > > > http://www.carolscasey.com

> > > >

February 3, 2011