RE: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in vacation/exotic locations

[Guest guest]

Correct! We all want to help those who aren't in a position to do so

themselves. There are many who are literally one paycheck away from

assistance.

Pam Charney

pcharney@...

> Pam,

> I agree. this saddens me.

>

> Where would we stop? I could argue that mortgage deductions are a

> government program for the middle class. I think we need to look at

> the bank records, the vacations, and drug test everyone who takes a

> mortgage deduction. I just want to make sure that people really

> deserve that and they aren't wasting my money ;-)

>

> Debra

>

>

> >

> > ly, I'm rather tired of this sort of incendiary reporting.

> > Remember, the press also reported on the now infamous

> Bachman

> > comment that the US was spending billions on the President's trip to

> > India. If you haven't heard, that wasn't the truth either.

> >

> > It's very easy to blame those who don't have a voice, isn't it?

> I'd be

> > willing to bet that the vast majority of those receiving aid are not

> > off vacationing on your dollar.

> >

> > BTW, there have been pilot tests of drug testing for aid recipients.

> > Guess what? The rates were no higher than rates in the general

> public.

> > It's sort of not Constitutional, according to some who believe in

> the

> > right to privacy. Mind you, when I was in the Army, the right to

> > privacy did not apply and so yes, I was subject to random drug

> > testing. It's expensive to do right. Since the current atmosphere is

> > to cut funding rather than spend more, who is going to volunteer to

> > pay for drug testing?

> >

> >

> > Pam Charney

> > pcharney@...

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

One thing that " liberal " thinkers fail to understand is the difference in

allowing people keep the money they earn (mortgage deductions from taxes) and

giving people someone else's money collected through taxes from the people who

earned it (welfare).

W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT

Long Term Care Consulting

Montana State Hospital

Montana Developmental Center

Certified LEAP Therapist

Quote worthy: " There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he

does not want merely because you think it would be good for him. " --American

writer A. Heinlein (1907-1988)

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

utnutritionprof

Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 1:36 PM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in vacation/exotic

locations

Pam,

I agree. this saddens me.

Where would we stop? I could argue that mortgage deductions are a government

program for the middle class. I think we need to look at the bank records, the

vacations, and drug test everyone who takes a mortgage deduction. I just want to

make sure that people really deserve that and they aren't wasting my money ;-)

Debra

>

> ly, I'm rather tired of this sort of incendiary reporting.

> Remember, the press also reported on the now infamous Bachman

> comment that the US was spending billions on the President's trip to

> India. If you haven't heard, that wasn't the truth either.

>

> It's very easy to blame those who don't have a voice, isn't it? I'd be

> willing to bet that the vast majority of those receiving aid are not

> off vacationing on your dollar.

>

> BTW, there have been pilot tests of drug testing for aid recipients.

> Guess what? The rates were no higher than rates in the general public.

> It's sort of not Constitutional, according to some who believe in the

> right to privacy. Mind you, when I was in the Army, the right to

> privacy did not apply and so yes, I was subject to random drug

> testing. It's expensive to do right. Since the current atmosphere is

> to cut funding rather than spend more, who is going to volunteer to

> pay for drug testing?

>

>

> Pam Charney

> pcharney@...

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

One thing that " liberal " thinkers fail to understand is the difference in

allowing people keep the money they earn (mortgage deductions from taxes) and

giving people someone else's money collected through taxes from the people who

earned it (welfare).

W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT

Long Term Care Consulting

Montana State Hospital

Montana Developmental Center

Certified LEAP Therapist

Quote worthy: " There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he

does not want merely because you think it would be good for him. " --American

writer A. Heinlein (1907-1988)

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

utnutritionprof

Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 1:36 PM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in vacation/exotic

locations

Pam,

I agree. this saddens me.

Where would we stop? I could argue that mortgage deductions are a government

program for the middle class. I think we need to look at the bank records, the

vacations, and drug test everyone who takes a mortgage deduction. I just want to

make sure that people really deserve that and they aren't wasting my money ;-)

Debra

>

> ly, I'm rather tired of this sort of incendiary reporting.

> Remember, the press also reported on the now infamous Bachman

> comment that the US was spending billions on the President's trip to

> India. If you haven't heard, that wasn't the truth either.

>

> It's very easy to blame those who don't have a voice, isn't it? I'd be

> willing to bet that the vast majority of those receiving aid are not

> off vacationing on your dollar.

>

> BTW, there have been pilot tests of drug testing for aid recipients.

> Guess what? The rates were no higher than rates in the general public.

> It's sort of not Constitutional, according to some who believe in the

> right to privacy. Mind you, when I was in the Army, the right to

> privacy did not apply and so yes, I was subject to random drug

> testing. It's expensive to do right. Since the current atmosphere is

> to cut funding rather than spend more, who is going to volunteer to

> pay for drug testing?

>

>

> Pam Charney

> pcharney@...

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wow. I don't think I fail to understand anything, but thanks for the

attempt to enlighten me. Since it appears you are employed by a state

entity, perhaps you could think of the ramifications of others

thinking that they are entitled to not pay taxes, and thus not support

your salary.

You can't have it both ways.

Regards,

pam

Pam Charney

pcharney@...

> One thing that " liberal " thinkers fail to understand is the

> difference in allowing people keep the money they earn (mortgage

> deductions from taxes) and giving people someone else's money

> collected through taxes from the people who earned it (welfare).

>

> W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT

> Long Term Care Consulting

> Montana State Hospital

> Montana Developmental Center

> Certified LEAP Therapist

>

> Quote worthy: " There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay

> for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good

> for him. " --American writer A. Heinlein (1907-1988)

>

> From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On

> Behalf Of utnutritionprof

> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 1:36 PM

> To: rd-usa

> Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

> vacation/exotic locations

>

> Pam,

> I agree. this saddens me.

>

> Where would we stop? I could argue that mortgage deductions are a

> government program for the middle class. I think we need to look at

> the bank records, the vacations, and drug test everyone who takes a

> mortgage deduction. I just want to make sure that people really

> deserve that and they aren't wasting my money ;-)

>

> Debra

>

>

> >

> > ly, I'm rather tired of this sort of incendiary reporting.

> > Remember, the press also reported on the now infamous

> Bachman

> > comment that the US was spending billions on the President's trip to

> > India. If you haven't heard, that wasn't the truth either.

> >

> > It's very easy to blame those who don't have a voice, isn't it?

> I'd be

> > willing to bet that the vast majority of those receiving aid are not

> > off vacationing on your dollar.

> >

> > BTW, there have been pilot tests of drug testing for aid recipients.

> > Guess what? The rates were no higher than rates in the general

> public.

> > It's sort of not Constitutional, according to some who believe in

> the

> > right to privacy. Mind you, when I was in the Army, the right to

> > privacy did not apply and so yes, I was subject to random drug

> > testing. It's expensive to do right. Since the current atmosphere is

> > to cut funding rather than spend more, who is going to volunteer to

> > pay for drug testing?

> >

> >

> > Pam Charney

> > pcharney@...

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wow. I don't think I fail to understand anything, but thanks for the

attempt to enlighten me. Since it appears you are employed by a state

entity, perhaps you could think of the ramifications of others

thinking that they are entitled to not pay taxes, and thus not support

your salary.

You can't have it both ways.

Regards,

pam

Pam Charney

pcharney@...

> One thing that " liberal " thinkers fail to understand is the

> difference in allowing people keep the money they earn (mortgage

> deductions from taxes) and giving people someone else's money

> collected through taxes from the people who earned it (welfare).

>

> W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT

> Long Term Care Consulting

> Montana State Hospital

> Montana Developmental Center

> Certified LEAP Therapist

>

> Quote worthy: " There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay

> for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good

> for him. " --American writer A. Heinlein (1907-1988)

>

> From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On

> Behalf Of utnutritionprof

> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 1:36 PM

> To: rd-usa

> Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

> vacation/exotic locations

>

> Pam,

> I agree. this saddens me.

>

> Where would we stop? I could argue that mortgage deductions are a

> government program for the middle class. I think we need to look at

> the bank records, the vacations, and drug test everyone who takes a

> mortgage deduction. I just want to make sure that people really

> deserve that and they aren't wasting my money ;-)

>

> Debra

>

>

> >

> > ly, I'm rather tired of this sort of incendiary reporting.

> > Remember, the press also reported on the now infamous

> Bachman

> > comment that the US was spending billions on the President's trip to

> > India. If you haven't heard, that wasn't the truth either.

> >

> > It's very easy to blame those who don't have a voice, isn't it?

> I'd be

> > willing to bet that the vast majority of those receiving aid are not

> > off vacationing on your dollar.

> >

> > BTW, there have been pilot tests of drug testing for aid recipients.

> > Guess what? The rates were no higher than rates in the general

> public.

> > It's sort of not Constitutional, according to some who believe in

> the

> > right to privacy. Mind you, when I was in the Army, the right to

> > privacy did not apply and so yes, I was subject to random drug

> > testing. It's expensive to do right. Since the current atmosphere is

> > to cut funding rather than spend more, who is going to volunteer to

> > pay for drug testing?

> >

> >

> > Pam Charney

> > pcharney@...

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

That is exactly why I chose to go half time a couple of years ago and start to

build my own business(es). I'm working on eliminating that second half

eventually and trying to give the tax payers as much for my salary as I can in

the meantime. Good thinking! I agree.

Since you equated paying less taxes with welfare, seems you did have the two

mixed up. They are not related in any way, as you implied.

W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT

Long Term Care Consulting

Montana State Hospital

Montana Developmental Center

Certified LEAP Therapist

Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

> vacation/exotic locations

>

> Pam,

> I agree. this saddens me.

>

> Where would we stop? I could argue that mortgage deductions are a

> government program for the middle class. I think we need to look at

> the bank records, the vacations, and drug test everyone who takes a

> mortgage deduction. I just want to make sure that people really

> deserve that and they aren't wasting my money ;-)

>

> Debra

>

>

> >

> > ly, I'm rather tired of this sort of incendiary reporting.

> > Remember, the press also reported on the now infamous

> Bachman

> > comment that the US was spending billions on the President's trip to

> > India. If you haven't heard, that wasn't the truth either.

> >

> > It's very easy to blame those who don't have a voice, isn't it?

> I'd be

> > willing to bet that the vast majority of those receiving aid are not

> > off vacationing on your dollar.

> >

> > BTW, there have been pilot tests of drug testing for aid recipients.

> > Guess what? The rates were no higher than rates in the general

> public.

> > It's sort of not Constitutional, according to some who believe in

> the

> > right to privacy. Mind you, when I was in the Army, the right to

> > privacy did not apply and so yes, I was subject to random drug

> > testing. It's expensive to do right. Since the current atmosphere is

> > to cut funding rather than spend more, who is going to volunteer to

> > pay for drug testing?

> >

> >

> > Pam Charney

> > pcharney@...

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

That is exactly why I chose to go half time a couple of years ago and start to

build my own business(es). I'm working on eliminating that second half

eventually and trying to give the tax payers as much for my salary as I can in

the meantime. Good thinking! I agree.

Since you equated paying less taxes with welfare, seems you did have the two

mixed up. They are not related in any way, as you implied.

W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT

Long Term Care Consulting

Montana State Hospital

Montana Developmental Center

Certified LEAP Therapist

Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

> vacation/exotic locations

>

> Pam,

> I agree. this saddens me.

>

> Where would we stop? I could argue that mortgage deductions are a

> government program for the middle class. I think we need to look at

> the bank records, the vacations, and drug test everyone who takes a

> mortgage deduction. I just want to make sure that people really

> deserve that and they aren't wasting my money ;-)

>

> Debra

>

>

> >

> > ly, I'm rather tired of this sort of incendiary reporting.

> > Remember, the press also reported on the now infamous

> Bachman

> > comment that the US was spending billions on the President's trip to

> > India. If you haven't heard, that wasn't the truth either.

> >

> > It's very easy to blame those who don't have a voice, isn't it?

> I'd be

> > willing to bet that the vast majority of those receiving aid are not

> > off vacationing on your dollar.

> >

> > BTW, there have been pilot tests of drug testing for aid recipients.

> > Guess what? The rates were no higher than rates in the general

> public.

> > It's sort of not Constitutional, according to some who believe in

> the

> > right to privacy. Mind you, when I was in the Army, the right to

> > privacy did not apply and so yes, I was subject to random drug

> > testing. It's expensive to do right. Since the current atmosphere is

> > to cut funding rather than spend more, who is going to volunteer to

> > pay for drug testing?

> >

> >

> > Pam Charney

> > pcharney@...

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

That is exactly why I chose to go half time a couple of years ago and start to

build my own business(es). I'm working on eliminating that second half

eventually and trying to give the tax payers as much for my salary as I can in

the meantime. Good thinking! I agree.

Since you equated paying less taxes with welfare, seems you did have the two

mixed up. They are not related in any way, as you implied.

W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT

Long Term Care Consulting

Montana State Hospital

Montana Developmental Center

Certified LEAP Therapist

Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

> vacation/exotic locations

>

> Pam,

> I agree. this saddens me.

>

> Where would we stop? I could argue that mortgage deductions are a

> government program for the middle class. I think we need to look at

> the bank records, the vacations, and drug test everyone who takes a

> mortgage deduction. I just want to make sure that people really

> deserve that and they aren't wasting my money ;-)

>

> Debra

>

>

> >

> > ly, I'm rather tired of this sort of incendiary reporting.

> > Remember, the press also reported on the now infamous

> Bachman

> > comment that the US was spending billions on the President's trip to

> > India. If you haven't heard, that wasn't the truth either.

> >

> > It's very easy to blame those who don't have a voice, isn't it?

> I'd be

> > willing to bet that the vast majority of those receiving aid are not

> > off vacationing on your dollar.

> >

> > BTW, there have been pilot tests of drug testing for aid recipients.

> > Guess what? The rates were no higher than rates in the general

> public.

> > It's sort of not Constitutional, according to some who believe in

> the

> > right to privacy. Mind you, when I was in the Army, the right to

> > privacy did not apply and so yes, I was subject to random drug

> > testing. It's expensive to do right. Since the current atmosphere is

> > to cut funding rather than spend more, who is going to volunteer to

> > pay for drug testing?

> >

> >

> > Pam Charney

> > pcharney@...

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wait a minute. I'm getting names mixed up here. I was responding to Debra's

statement about tax deductions and welfare, not to you, Pam. Will you guys stop

the pillow fight?! I can't see who's who for all the flying feathers!

Dave

Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

> vacation/exotic locations

>

> Pam,

> I agree. this saddens me.

>

> Where would we stop? I could argue that mortgage deductions are a

> government program for the middle class. I think we need to look at

> the bank records, the vacations, and drug test everyone who takes a

> mortgage deduction. I just want to make sure that people really

> deserve that and they aren't wasting my money ;-)

>

> Debra

>

>

> >

> > ly, I'm rather tired of this sort of incendiary reporting.

> > Remember, the press also reported on the now infamous

> Bachman

> > comment that the US was spending billions on the President's trip to

> > India. If you haven't heard, that wasn't the truth either.

> >

> > It's very easy to blame those who don't have a voice, isn't it?

> I'd be

> > willing to bet that the vast majority of those receiving aid are not

> > off vacationing on your dollar.

> >

> > BTW, there have been pilot tests of drug testing for aid recipients.

> > Guess what? The rates were no higher than rates in the general

> public.

> > It's sort of not Constitutional, according to some who believe in

> the

> > right to privacy. Mind you, when I was in the Army, the right to

> > privacy did not apply and so yes, I was subject to random drug

> > testing. It's expensive to do right. Since the current atmosphere is

> > to cut funding rather than spend more, who is going to volunteer to

> > pay for drug testing?

> >

> >

> > Pam Charney

> > pcharney@...

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wait a minute. I'm getting names mixed up here. I was responding to Debra's

statement about tax deductions and welfare, not to you, Pam. Will you guys stop

the pillow fight?! I can't see who's who for all the flying feathers!

Dave

Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

> vacation/exotic locations

>

> Pam,

> I agree. this saddens me.

>

> Where would we stop? I could argue that mortgage deductions are a

> government program for the middle class. I think we need to look at

> the bank records, the vacations, and drug test everyone who takes a

> mortgage deduction. I just want to make sure that people really

> deserve that and they aren't wasting my money ;-)

>

> Debra

>

>

> >

> > ly, I'm rather tired of this sort of incendiary reporting.

> > Remember, the press also reported on the now infamous

> Bachman

> > comment that the US was spending billions on the President's trip to

> > India. If you haven't heard, that wasn't the truth either.

> >

> > It's very easy to blame those who don't have a voice, isn't it?

> I'd be

> > willing to bet that the vast majority of those receiving aid are not

> > off vacationing on your dollar.

> >

> > BTW, there have been pilot tests of drug testing for aid recipients.

> > Guess what? The rates were no higher than rates in the general

> public.

> > It's sort of not Constitutional, according to some who believe in

> the

> > right to privacy. Mind you, when I was in the Army, the right to

> > privacy did not apply and so yes, I was subject to random drug

> > testing. It's expensive to do right. Since the current atmosphere is

> > to cut funding rather than spend more, who is going to volunteer to

> > pay for drug testing?

> >

> >

> > Pam Charney

> > pcharney@...

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wait a minute. I'm getting names mixed up here. I was responding to Debra's

statement about tax deductions and welfare, not to you, Pam. Will you guys stop

the pillow fight?! I can't see who's who for all the flying feathers!

Dave

Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

> vacation/exotic locations

>

> Pam,

> I agree. this saddens me.

>

> Where would we stop? I could argue that mortgage deductions are a

> government program for the middle class. I think we need to look at

> the bank records, the vacations, and drug test everyone who takes a

> mortgage deduction. I just want to make sure that people really

> deserve that and they aren't wasting my money ;-)

>

> Debra

>

>

> >

> > ly, I'm rather tired of this sort of incendiary reporting.

> > Remember, the press also reported on the now infamous

> Bachman

> > comment that the US was spending billions on the President's trip to

> > India. If you haven't heard, that wasn't the truth either.

> >

> > It's very easy to blame those who don't have a voice, isn't it?

> I'd be

> > willing to bet that the vast majority of those receiving aid are not

> > off vacationing on your dollar.

> >

> > BTW, there have been pilot tests of drug testing for aid recipients.

> > Guess what? The rates were no higher than rates in the general

> public.

> > It's sort of not Constitutional, according to some who believe in

> the

> > right to privacy. Mind you, when I was in the Army, the right to

> > privacy did not apply and so yes, I was subject to random drug

> > testing. It's expensive to do right. Since the current atmosphere is

> > to cut funding rather than spend more, who is going to volunteer to

> > pay for drug testing?

> >

> >

> > Pam Charney

> > pcharney@...

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

With that kind of thinking, then every single dollar that we earn and get to

keep is an expense to the government! The government doesn't give us OUR money

that we earn with our mental and physical energy. If they let us keep more of

it, they are not giving it to us. We owned it in the first place! Letting us

keep our money is not an expense to the government. If you think it is, you must

think that all money belongs to the government. Does that mean our energy spent

earning money also belongs to them? I can't believe you can't see that logic,

but I know many who can't. When I do work for the government I am still being

paid for using my expertise. It is still my money. If I waste time and am

non-productive in my part time government job, then it becomes welfare.

W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT

Long Term Care Consulting

Montana State Hospital

Montana Developmental Center

Certified LEAP Therapist

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

utnutritionprof

Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 10:07 AM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in vacation/exotic

locations

and the difference is????

the mortgage deduction is a program that assists homeowners. SNAP assists with

buying food. Both are costs to the government

Debra

> >

> > ly, I'm rather tired of this sort of incendiary reporting.

> > Remember, the press also reported on the now infamous Bachman

> > comment that the US was spending billions on the President's trip to

> > India. If you haven't heard, that wasn't the truth either.

> >

> > It's very easy to blame those who don't have a voice, isn't it? I'd be

> > willing to bet that the vast majority of those receiving aid are not

> > off vacationing on your dollar.

> >

> > BTW, there have been pilot tests of drug testing for aid recipients.

> > Guess what? The rates were no higher than rates in the general public.

> > It's sort of not Constitutional, according to some who believe in the

> > right to privacy. Mind you, when I was in the Army, the right to

> > privacy did not apply and so yes, I was subject to random drug

> > testing. It's expensive to do right. Since the current atmosphere is

> > to cut funding rather than spend more, who is going to volunteer to

> > pay for drug testing?

> >

> >

> > Pam Charney

> > pcharney@

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

With that kind of thinking, then every single dollar that we earn and get to

keep is an expense to the government! The government doesn't give us OUR money

that we earn with our mental and physical energy. If they let us keep more of

it, they are not giving it to us. We owned it in the first place! Letting us

keep our money is not an expense to the government. If you think it is, you must

think that all money belongs to the government. Does that mean our energy spent

earning money also belongs to them? I can't believe you can't see that logic,

but I know many who can't. When I do work for the government I am still being

paid for using my expertise. It is still my money. If I waste time and am

non-productive in my part time government job, then it becomes welfare.

W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT

Long Term Care Consulting

Montana State Hospital

Montana Developmental Center

Certified LEAP Therapist

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

utnutritionprof

Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 10:07 AM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in vacation/exotic

locations

and the difference is????

the mortgage deduction is a program that assists homeowners. SNAP assists with

buying food. Both are costs to the government

Debra

> >

> > ly, I'm rather tired of this sort of incendiary reporting.

> > Remember, the press also reported on the now infamous Bachman

> > comment that the US was spending billions on the President's trip to

> > India. If you haven't heard, that wasn't the truth either.

> >

> > It's very easy to blame those who don't have a voice, isn't it? I'd be

> > willing to bet that the vast majority of those receiving aid are not

> > off vacationing on your dollar.

> >

> > BTW, there have been pilot tests of drug testing for aid recipients.

> > Guess what? The rates were no higher than rates in the general public.

> > It's sort of not Constitutional, according to some who believe in the

> > right to privacy. Mind you, when I was in the Army, the right to

> > privacy did not apply and so yes, I was subject to random drug

> > testing. It's expensive to do right. Since the current atmosphere is

> > to cut funding rather than spend more, who is going to volunteer to

> > pay for drug testing?

> >

> >

> > Pam Charney

> > pcharney@

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

With that kind of thinking, then every single dollar that we earn and get to

keep is an expense to the government! The government doesn't give us OUR money

that we earn with our mental and physical energy. If they let us keep more of

it, they are not giving it to us. We owned it in the first place! Letting us

keep our money is not an expense to the government. If you think it is, you must

think that all money belongs to the government. Does that mean our energy spent

earning money also belongs to them? I can't believe you can't see that logic,

but I know many who can't. When I do work for the government I am still being

paid for using my expertise. It is still my money. If I waste time and am

non-productive in my part time government job, then it becomes welfare.

W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT

Long Term Care Consulting

Montana State Hospital

Montana Developmental Center

Certified LEAP Therapist

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

utnutritionprof

Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 10:07 AM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in vacation/exotic

locations

and the difference is????

the mortgage deduction is a program that assists homeowners. SNAP assists with

buying food. Both are costs to the government

Debra

> >

> > ly, I'm rather tired of this sort of incendiary reporting.

> > Remember, the press also reported on the now infamous Bachman

> > comment that the US was spending billions on the President's trip to

> > India. If you haven't heard, that wasn't the truth either.

> >

> > It's very easy to blame those who don't have a voice, isn't it? I'd be

> > willing to bet that the vast majority of those receiving aid are not

> > off vacationing on your dollar.

> >

> > BTW, there have been pilot tests of drug testing for aid recipients.

> > Guess what? The rates were no higher than rates in the general public.

> > It's sort of not Constitutional, according to some who believe in the

> > right to privacy. Mind you, when I was in the Army, the right to

> > privacy did not apply and so yes, I was subject to random drug

> > testing. It's expensive to do right. Since the current atmosphere is

> > to cut funding rather than spend more, who is going to volunteer to

> > pay for drug testing?

> >

> >

> > Pam Charney

> > pcharney@

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Do you drive on paved roads? Who should take care of them? What will

you do if you or someone you love dearly has a catastrophic medical

event? I'm talking about the stuff that results in bills that top 6

figures. It can take one diagnosis to do that, as I'm sure you're

aware. What if you lose your job and the crops fail? What if all of

your neighbors, family and friends are in the same situation?

I'm thrilled that you have justified your current employment

situation. You have decided to take advantage of the taxpayers'

largesse while you fix yourself up a better situation.

Regards,

p

Pam Charney

pcharney@...

> With that kind of thinking, then every single dollar that we earn

> and get to keep is an expense to the government! The government

> doesn't give us OUR money that we earn with our mental and physical

> energy. If they let us keep more of it, they are not giving it to

> us. We owned it in the first place! Letting us keep our money is not

> an expense to the government. If you think it is, you must think

> that all money belongs to the government. Does that mean our energy

> spent earning money also belongs to them? I can't believe you can't

> see that logic, but I know many who can't. When I do work for the

> government I am still being paid for using my expertise. It is still

> my money. If I waste time and am non-productive in my part time

> government job, then it becomes welfare.

>

> W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT

> Long Term Care Consulting

> Montana State Hospital

> Montana Developmental Center

> Certified LEAP Therapist

>

> From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On

> Behalf Of utnutritionprof

> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 10:07 AM

> To: rd-usa

> Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

> vacation/exotic locations

>

> and the difference is????

>

> the mortgage deduction is a program that assists homeowners. SNAP

> assists with buying food. Both are costs to the government

> Debra

>

>

> > >

> > > ly, I'm rather tired of this sort of incendiary reporting.

> > > Remember, the press also reported on the now infamous

> Bachman

> > > comment that the US was spending billions on the President's

> trip to

> > > India. If you haven't heard, that wasn't the truth either.

> > >

> > > It's very easy to blame those who don't have a voice, isn't it?

> I'd be

> > > willing to bet that the vast majority of those receiving aid are

> not

> > > off vacationing on your dollar.

> > >

> > > BTW, there have been pilot tests of drug testing for aid

> recipients.

> > > Guess what? The rates were no higher than rates in the general

> public.

> > > It's sort of not Constitutional, according to some who believe

> in the

> > > right to privacy. Mind you, when I was in the Army, the right to

> > > privacy did not apply and so yes, I was subject to random drug

> > > testing. It's expensive to do right. Since the current

> atmosphere is

> > > to cut funding rather than spend more, who is going to volunteer

> to

> > > pay for drug testing?

> > >

> > >

> > > Pam Charney

> > > pcharney@

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

,

Do you drive on paved roads? Who should take care of them? What will

you do if you or someone you love dearly has a catastrophic medical

event? I'm talking about the stuff that results in bills that top 6

figures. It can take one diagnosis to do that, as I'm sure you're

aware. What if you lose your job and the crops fail? What if all of

your neighbors, family and friends are in the same situation?

I'm thrilled that you have justified your current employment

situation. You have decided to take advantage of the taxpayers'

largesse while you fix yourself up a better situation.

Regards,

p

Pam Charney

pcharney@...

> With that kind of thinking, then every single dollar that we earn

> and get to keep is an expense to the government! The government

> doesn't give us OUR money that we earn with our mental and physical

> energy. If they let us keep more of it, they are not giving it to

> us. We owned it in the first place! Letting us keep our money is not

> an expense to the government. If you think it is, you must think

> that all money belongs to the government. Does that mean our energy

> spent earning money also belongs to them? I can't believe you can't

> see that logic, but I know many who can't. When I do work for the

> government I am still being paid for using my expertise. It is still

> my money. If I waste time and am non-productive in my part time

> government job, then it becomes welfare.

>

> W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT

> Long Term Care Consulting

> Montana State Hospital

> Montana Developmental Center

> Certified LEAP Therapist

>

> From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On

> Behalf Of utnutritionprof

> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 10:07 AM

> To: rd-usa

> Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

> vacation/exotic locations

>

> and the difference is????

>

> the mortgage deduction is a program that assists homeowners. SNAP

> assists with buying food. Both are costs to the government

> Debra

>

>

> > >

> > > ly, I'm rather tired of this sort of incendiary reporting.

> > > Remember, the press also reported on the now infamous

> Bachman

> > > comment that the US was spending billions on the President's

> trip to

> > > India. If you haven't heard, that wasn't the truth either.

> > >

> > > It's very easy to blame those who don't have a voice, isn't it?

> I'd be

> > > willing to bet that the vast majority of those receiving aid are

> not

> > > off vacationing on your dollar.

> > >

> > > BTW, there have been pilot tests of drug testing for aid

> recipients.

> > > Guess what? The rates were no higher than rates in the general

> public.

> > > It's sort of not Constitutional, according to some who believe

> in the

> > > right to privacy. Mind you, when I was in the Army, the right to

> > > privacy did not apply and so yes, I was subject to random drug

> > > testing. It's expensive to do right. Since the current

> atmosphere is

> > > to cut funding rather than spend more, who is going to volunteer

> to

> > > pay for drug testing?

> > >

> > >

> > > Pam Charney

> > > pcharney@

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

,

Do you drive on paved roads? Who should take care of them? What will

you do if you or someone you love dearly has a catastrophic medical

event? I'm talking about the stuff that results in bills that top 6

figures. It can take one diagnosis to do that, as I'm sure you're

aware. What if you lose your job and the crops fail? What if all of

your neighbors, family and friends are in the same situation?

I'm thrilled that you have justified your current employment

situation. You have decided to take advantage of the taxpayers'

largesse while you fix yourself up a better situation.

Regards,

p

Pam Charney

pcharney@...

> With that kind of thinking, then every single dollar that we earn

> and get to keep is an expense to the government! The government

> doesn't give us OUR money that we earn with our mental and physical

> energy. If they let us keep more of it, they are not giving it to

> us. We owned it in the first place! Letting us keep our money is not

> an expense to the government. If you think it is, you must think

> that all money belongs to the government. Does that mean our energy

> spent earning money also belongs to them? I can't believe you can't

> see that logic, but I know many who can't. When I do work for the

> government I am still being paid for using my expertise. It is still

> my money. If I waste time and am non-productive in my part time

> government job, then it becomes welfare.

>

> W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT

> Long Term Care Consulting

> Montana State Hospital

> Montana Developmental Center

> Certified LEAP Therapist

>

> From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On

> Behalf Of utnutritionprof

> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 10:07 AM

> To: rd-usa

> Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

> vacation/exotic locations

>

> and the difference is????

>

> the mortgage deduction is a program that assists homeowners. SNAP

> assists with buying food. Both are costs to the government

> Debra

>

>

> > >

> > > ly, I'm rather tired of this sort of incendiary reporting.

> > > Remember, the press also reported on the now infamous

> Bachman

> > > comment that the US was spending billions on the President's

> trip to

> > > India. If you haven't heard, that wasn't the truth either.

> > >

> > > It's very easy to blame those who don't have a voice, isn't it?

> I'd be

> > > willing to bet that the vast majority of those receiving aid are

> not

> > > off vacationing on your dollar.

> > >

> > > BTW, there have been pilot tests of drug testing for aid

> recipients.

> > > Guess what? The rates were no higher than rates in the general

> public.

> > > It's sort of not Constitutional, according to some who believe

> in the

> > > right to privacy. Mind you, when I was in the Army, the right to

> > > privacy did not apply and so yes, I was subject to random drug

> > > testing. It's expensive to do right. Since the current

> atmosphere is

> > > to cut funding rather than spend more, who is going to volunteer

> to

> > > pay for drug testing?

> > >

> > >

> > > Pam Charney

> > > pcharney@

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

We, as tax payers should pay for paved roads. Who said we should pay no taxes

for things like that? The point was that letting me keep more of my money is not

an expense to the government. Spending my tax money on anything is an expense to

me (us). The money isn't the governments. The government doesn't own any money.

They get it from us. We have a say in how it is " spent " and how much, thanks to

the representative Republic we have.

The medical care insurance we pay for with the money the gov let's us keep, of

course, and the savings I have for such catastrophe's, just in case. My family

helps family and friends, rather than looking for handouts from strangers.

Neighbors help neighbors. Church members help church members and even local

" strangers " . It's an old tried and true American tradition. Then there's

faith...

No. I've decided to keep part time employment doing something that appears

worthwhile helping mentally ill people become nourished, so they can go back out

and do for themselves after getting much needed treatment at the State hospital.

W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT

Long Term Care Consulting

Montana State Hospital

Montana Developmental Center

Certified LEAP Therapist

 

 

Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

> vacation/exotic locations

>

> and the difference is????

>

> the mortgage deduction is a program that assists homeowners. SNAP

> assists with buying food. Both are costs to the government

> Debra

>

>

> > >

> > > ly, I'm rather tired of this sort of incendiary reporting.

> > > Remember, the press also reported on the now infamous

> Bachman

> > > comment that the US was spending billions on the President's

> trip to

> > > India. If you haven't heard, that wasn't the truth either.

> > >

> > > It's very easy to blame those who don't have a voice, isn't it?

> I'd be

> > > willing to bet that the vast majority of those receiving aid are

> not

> > > off vacationing on your dollar.

> > >

> > > BTW, there have been pilot tests of drug testing for aid

> recipients.

> > > Guess what? The rates were no higher than rates in the general

> public.

> > > It's sort of not Constitutional, according to some who believe

> in the

> > > right to privacy. Mind you, when I was in the Army, the right to

> > > privacy did not apply and so yes, I was subject to random drug

> > > testing. It's expensive to do right. Since the current

> atmosphere is

> > > to cut funding rather than spend more, who is going to volunteer

> to

> > > pay for drug testing?

> > >

> > >

> > > Pam Charney

> > > pcharney@

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

We, as tax payers should pay for paved roads. Who said we should pay no taxes

for things like that? The point was that letting me keep more of my money is not

an expense to the government. Spending my tax money on anything is an expense to

me (us). The money isn't the governments. The government doesn't own any money.

They get it from us. We have a say in how it is " spent " and how much, thanks to

the representative Republic we have.

The medical care insurance we pay for with the money the gov let's us keep, of

course, and the savings I have for such catastrophe's, just in case. My family

helps family and friends, rather than looking for handouts from strangers.

Neighbors help neighbors. Church members help church members and even local

" strangers " . It's an old tried and true American tradition. Then there's

faith...

No. I've decided to keep part time employment doing something that appears

worthwhile helping mentally ill people become nourished, so they can go back out

and do for themselves after getting much needed treatment at the State hospital.

W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT

Long Term Care Consulting

Montana State Hospital

Montana Developmental Center

Certified LEAP Therapist

 

 

Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

> vacation/exotic locations

>

> and the difference is????

>

> the mortgage deduction is a program that assists homeowners. SNAP

> assists with buying food. Both are costs to the government

> Debra

>

>

> > >

> > > ly, I'm rather tired of this sort of incendiary reporting.

> > > Remember, the press also reported on the now infamous

> Bachman

> > > comment that the US was spending billions on the President's

> trip to

> > > India. If you haven't heard, that wasn't the truth either.

> > >

> > > It's very easy to blame those who don't have a voice, isn't it?

> I'd be

> > > willing to bet that the vast majority of those receiving aid are

> not

> > > off vacationing on your dollar.

> > >

> > > BTW, there have been pilot tests of drug testing for aid

> recipients.

> > > Guess what? The rates were no higher than rates in the general

> public.

> > > It's sort of not Constitutional, according to some who believe

> in the

> > > right to privacy. Mind you, when I was in the Army, the right to

> > > privacy did not apply and so yes, I was subject to random drug

> > > testing. It's expensive to do right. Since the current

> atmosphere is

> > > to cut funding rather than spend more, who is going to volunteer

> to

> > > pay for drug testing?

> > >

> > >

> > > Pam Charney

> > > pcharney@

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I love how you made the definition. Excellent. Just to also add - that even

though both come from tax collection, as you said, the mortgage deduction is

made, from one's own $$ (And other tax payers), that's why it called tax return,

Vs. tax " giveaway " AKA , as you stated, welfare.

Thank you for this.

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDN

A dietitian, not the food police.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

" Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments that

take your breath away. " - Carlin

" People don't forget the truth, they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary

Road)

To: rd-usa

From: drowell@...

Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 16:53:31 +0000

Subject: RE: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

vacation/exotic locations

One thing that " liberal " thinkers fail to understand is the difference in

allowing people keep the money they earn (mortgage deductions from taxes) and

giving people someone else's money collected through taxes from the people who

earned it (welfare).

W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT

Long Term Care Consulting

Montana State Hospital

Montana Developmental Center

Certified LEAP Therapist

Quote worthy: " There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he

does not want merely because you think it would be good for him. " --American

writer A. Heinlein (1907-1988)

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

utnutritionprof

Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 1:36 PM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in vacation/exotic

locations

Pam,

I agree. this saddens me.

Where would we stop? I could argue that mortgage deductions are a government

program for the middle class. I think we need to look at the bank records, the

vacations, and drug test everyone who takes a mortgage deduction. I just want to

make sure that people really deserve that and they aren't wasting my money ;-)

Debra

>

> ly, I'm rather tired of this sort of incendiary reporting.

> Remember, the press also reported on the now infamous Bachman

> comment that the US was spending billions on the President's trip to

> India. If you haven't heard, that wasn't the truth either.

>

> It's very easy to blame those who don't have a voice, isn't it? I'd be

> willing to bet that the vast majority of those receiving aid are not

> off vacationing on your dollar.

>

> BTW, there have been pilot tests of drug testing for aid recipients.

> Guess what? The rates were no higher than rates in the general public.

> It's sort of not Constitutional, according to some who believe in the

> right to privacy. Mind you, when I was in the Army, the right to

> privacy did not apply and so yes, I was subject to random drug

> testing. It's expensive to do right. Since the current atmosphere is

> to cut funding rather than spend more, who is going to volunteer to

> pay for drug testing?

>

>

> Pam Charney

> pcharney@...

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I love how you made the definition. Excellent. Just to also add - that even

though both come from tax collection, as you said, the mortgage deduction is

made, from one's own $$ (And other tax payers), that's why it called tax return,

Vs. tax " giveaway " AKA , as you stated, welfare.

Thank you for this.

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDN

A dietitian, not the food police.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

" Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments that

take your breath away. " - Carlin

" People don't forget the truth, they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary

Road)

To: rd-usa

From: drowell@...

Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 16:53:31 +0000

Subject: RE: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

vacation/exotic locations

One thing that " liberal " thinkers fail to understand is the difference in

allowing people keep the money they earn (mortgage deductions from taxes) and

giving people someone else's money collected through taxes from the people who

earned it (welfare).

W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT

Long Term Care Consulting

Montana State Hospital

Montana Developmental Center

Certified LEAP Therapist

Quote worthy: " There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he

does not want merely because you think it would be good for him. " --American

writer A. Heinlein (1907-1988)

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

utnutritionprof

Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 1:36 PM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in vacation/exotic

locations

Pam,

I agree. this saddens me.

Where would we stop? I could argue that mortgage deductions are a government

program for the middle class. I think we need to look at the bank records, the

vacations, and drug test everyone who takes a mortgage deduction. I just want to

make sure that people really deserve that and they aren't wasting my money ;-)

Debra

>

> ly, I'm rather tired of this sort of incendiary reporting.

> Remember, the press also reported on the now infamous Bachman

> comment that the US was spending billions on the President's trip to

> India. If you haven't heard, that wasn't the truth either.

>

> It's very easy to blame those who don't have a voice, isn't it? I'd be

> willing to bet that the vast majority of those receiving aid are not

> off vacationing on your dollar.

>

> BTW, there have been pilot tests of drug testing for aid recipients.

> Guess what? The rates were no higher than rates in the general public.

> It's sort of not Constitutional, according to some who believe in the

> right to privacy. Mind you, when I was in the Army, the right to

> privacy did not apply and so yes, I was subject to random drug

> testing. It's expensive to do right. Since the current atmosphere is

> to cut funding rather than spend more, who is going to volunteer to

> pay for drug testing?

>

>

> Pam Charney

> pcharney@...

>

>

>

>