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ly, I'm rather tired of this sort of incendiary reporting.

Remember, the press also reported on the now infamous Bachman

comment that the US was spending billions on the President's trip to

India. If you haven't heard, that wasn't the truth either.

It's very easy to blame those who don't have a voice, isn't it? I'd be

willing to bet that the vast majority of those receiving aid are not

off vacationing on your dollar.

BTW, there have been pilot tests of drug testing for aid recipients.

Guess what? The rates were no higher than rates in the general public.

It's sort of not Constitutional, according to some who believe in the

right to privacy. Mind you, when I was in the Army, the right to

privacy did not apply and so yes, I was subject to random drug

testing. It's expensive to do right. Since the current atmosphere is

to cut funding rather than spend more, who is going to volunteer to

pay for drug testing?

Pam Charney

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> Colorado Welfare dollars are being withdrawn at ATMs in Hawaii, Las

> Vegas

> casinos (including between 10 pm and 6 am), Virgin Islands, Puerto

> Rico,

> etc, etc.

>

> Just reported on the noon news (Channel 7) today.

>

> Hmmm, shelter, clothing and child care. . . 2.3 million in CO Welfare

> dollars withdrawn at ATMs outside of Colorado!

>

> I'd assume the fraud is as great in other states. Granted, ALL out

> of state

> withdrawals are not fraudulent, but, if somebody on welfare can

> afford to

> spend money at these places, obviously, they don't really NEED free

> tax

> dollars!

>

> (I surely saw this fraud personally when I worked in WIC, Public

> Health and

> Home Health Care over the years. Time for the govt to

> investigate. . . I

> still think that if private clients have to be drug tested for certain

> jobs, then random drug testing should be mandatory to receive

> welfare funds as

> well.)

>

>

> Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

> Director of Medical Nutrition

> Signet Diagnostic Corporation

> Telecommuting Nationwide

> (Mountain Time) office and cell

> Fax:

> DineRight4@...

>

> " Though no one can go back and make a brand new start, anyone can

> start

> from now and make a brand new ending. "

> ~Carl Bard

>

> Specialist in IBS, migraine, fibromyalgia and inflammatory conditions

> which are often triggered by adverse reactions to foods and chemicals.

> Co-author of the Certified LEAP Therapist Training Course.

>

>

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and states should make their Food Stamp/welfare cards valid only within their

own state

and only at certain types of outlets.

Ro

From: Dineright4@...

Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 2:34 PM

To: rd-usa

Cc: cda-listserv ; jpatenaude@...

Subject: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in vacation/exotic

locations

Colorado Welfare dollars are being withdrawn at ATMs in Hawaii, Las Vegas

casinos (including between 10 pm and 6 am), Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico,

etc, etc.

Just reported on the noon news (Channel 7) today.

Hmmm, shelter, clothing and child care. . . 2.3 million in CO Welfare

dollars withdrawn at ATMs outside of Colorado!

I'd assume the fraud is as great in other states. Granted, ALL out of state

withdrawals are not fraudulent, but, if somebody on welfare can afford to

spend money at these places, obviously, they don't really NEED free tax

dollars!

(I surely saw this fraud personally when I worked in WIC, Public Health and

Home Health Care over the years. Time for the govt to investigate. . . I

still think that if private clients have to be drug tested for certain

jobs, then random drug testing should be mandatory to receive welfare funds as

well.)

Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

Director of Medical Nutrition

Signet Diagnostic Corporation

Telecommuting Nationwide

(Mountain Time) office and cell

Fax:

mailto:DineRight4%40aol.com

" Though no one can go back and make a brand new start, anyone can start

from now and make a brand new ending. "

~Carl Bard

Specialist in IBS, migraine, fibromyalgia and inflammatory conditions

which are often triggered by adverse reactions to foods and chemicals.

Co-author of the Certified LEAP Therapist Training Course.

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Pam,

I agree. this saddens me.

Where would we stop? I could argue that mortgage deductions are a government

program for the middle class. I think we need to look at the bank records, the

vacations, and drug test everyone who takes a mortgage deduction. I just want

to make sure that people really deserve that and they aren't wasting my money

;-)

Debra

>

> ly, I'm rather tired of this sort of incendiary reporting.

> Remember, the press also reported on the now infamous Bachman

> comment that the US was spending billions on the President's trip to

> India. If you haven't heard, that wasn't the truth either.

>

> It's very easy to blame those who don't have a voice, isn't it? I'd be

> willing to bet that the vast majority of those receiving aid are not

> off vacationing on your dollar.

>

> BTW, there have been pilot tests of drug testing for aid recipients.

> Guess what? The rates were no higher than rates in the general public.

> It's sort of not Constitutional, according to some who believe in the

> right to privacy. Mind you, when I was in the Army, the right to

> privacy did not apply and so yes, I was subject to random drug

> testing. It's expensive to do right. Since the current atmosphere is

> to cut funding rather than spend more, who is going to volunteer to

> pay for drug testing?

>

>

> Pam Charney

> pcharney@...

>

>

>

>

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I didn't realize that SNAP could be used beyond state lines...I know WIC

vouchers/cards can't. One of the biggest health frauds is in Medicare

spending - not by the recipients but by health care providers.(legit and

not)

>

>

> and states should make their Food Stamp/welfare cards valid only within

> their own state

> and only at certain types of outlets.

> Ro

>

> From: Dineright4@...

> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 2:34 PM

> To: rd-usa

> Cc: cda-listserv ; jpatenaude@...

> Subject: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in vacation/exotic

> locations

>

>

> Colorado Welfare dollars are being withdrawn at ATMs in Hawaii, Las Vegas

> casinos (including between 10 pm and 6 am), Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico,

> etc, etc.

>

> Just reported on the noon news (Channel 7) today.

>

> Hmmm, shelter, clothing and child care. . . 2.3 million in CO Welfare

> dollars withdrawn at ATMs outside of Colorado!

>

> I'd assume the fraud is as great in other states. Granted, ALL out of state

>

> withdrawals are not fraudulent, but, if somebody on welfare can afford to

> spend money at these places, obviously, they don't really NEED free tax

> dollars!

>

> (I surely saw this fraud personally when I worked in WIC, Public Health and

>

> Home Health Care over the years. Time for the govt to investigate. . . I

> still think that if private clients have to be drug tested for certain

> jobs, then random drug testing should be mandatory to receive welfare funds

> as

> well.)

>

> Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

> Director of Medical Nutrition

> Signet Diagnostic Corporation

> Telecommuting Nationwide

> (Mountain Time) office and cell

> Fax:

> mailto:DineRight4%40aol.com

>

>

> " Though no one can go back and make a brand new start, anyone can start

> from now and make a brand new ending. "

> ~Carl Bard

>

> Specialist in IBS, migraine, fibromyalgia and inflammatory conditions

> which are often triggered by adverse reactions to foods and chemicals.

> Co-author of the Certified LEAP Therapist Training Course.

>

>

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I don't mean to speak for Jan but not all recipients are " poor me " people

either. There is fraud in every entitlement program and I feel Jan was just

pointing out how the program can be abused. Fraud busters and/or programs

needs to be in place in every entitlement program. I feel if someone can

smoke they can afford to take that money and spend on food and housing and

care for their children. In our local hospital they are refusing to hire any

new employees who smoke.

>

>

> Colorado Welfare dollars are being withdrawn at ATMs in Hawaii, Las Vegas

> casinos (including between 10 pm and 6 am), Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico,

> etc, etc.

>

> Just reported on the noon news (Channel 7) today.

>

> Hmmm, shelter, clothing and child care. . . 2.3 million in CO Welfare

> dollars withdrawn at ATMs outside of Colorado!

>

> I'd assume the fraud is as great in other states. Granted, ALL out of state

>

> withdrawals are not fraudulent, but, if somebody on welfare can afford to

> spend money at these places, obviously, they don't really NEED free tax

> dollars!

>

> (I surely saw this fraud personally when I worked in WIC, Public Health and

>

> Home Health Care over the years. Time for the govt to investigate. . . I

> still think that if private clients have to be drug tested for certain

> jobs, then random drug testing should be mandatory to receive welfare funds

> as

> well.)

>

>

> Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

> Director of Medical Nutrition

> Signet Diagnostic Corporation

> Telecommuting Nationwide

> (Mountain Time) office and cell

> Fax:

> DineRight4@...

>

> " Though no one can go back and make a brand new start, anyone can start

> from now and make a brand new ending. "

> ~Carl Bard

>

> Specialist in IBS, migraine, fibromyalgia and inflammatory conditions

> which are often triggered by adverse reactions to foods and chemicals.

> Co-author of the Certified LEAP Therapist Training Course.

>

>

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Perhaps we should verify that before further spreading incorrect

information. On the other hand, I used to live maybe 5 minutes from a

state border. Prices were lower across the border. Should we limit the

ability of recipients to actually save money?

It's very easy to jump on an issue, blame someone (usually, blame

falls on those who are less educated, less affluent, and less erudite)

and come up with a facile solution. It's much harder to actually solve

the problem using critical thinking and making sure that the voices

that need to be heard are actually heard.

Pam Charney

pcharney@...

> I didn't realize that SNAP could be used beyond state lines...I know

> WIC

> vouchers/cards can't. One of the biggest health frauds is in Medicare

> spending - not by the recipients but by health care providers.(legit

> and

> not)

>

>

>

>>

>>

>> and states should make their Food Stamp/welfare cards valid only

>> within

>> their own state

>> and only at certain types of outlets.

>> Ro

>>

>> From: Dineright4@...

>> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 2:34 PM

>> To: rd-usa

>> Cc: cda-listserv ; jpatenaude@...

>> Subject: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in vacation/

>> exotic

>> locations

>>

>>

>> Colorado Welfare dollars are being withdrawn at ATMs in Hawaii, Las

>> Vegas

>> casinos (including between 10 pm and 6 am), Virgin Islands, Puerto

>> Rico,

>> etc, etc.

>>

>> Just reported on the noon news (Channel 7) today.

>>

>> Hmmm, shelter, clothing and child care. . . 2.3 million in CO Welfare

>> dollars withdrawn at ATMs outside of Colorado!

>>

>> I'd assume the fraud is as great in other states. Granted, ALL out

>> of state

>>

>> withdrawals are not fraudulent, but, if somebody on welfare can

>> afford to

>> spend money at these places, obviously, they don't really NEED free

>> tax

>> dollars!

>>

>> (I surely saw this fraud personally when I worked in WIC, Public

>> Health and

>>

>> Home Health Care over the years. Time for the govt to

>> investigate. . . I

>> still think that if private clients have to be drug tested for

>> certain

>> jobs, then random drug testing should be mandatory to receive

>> welfare funds

>> as

>> well.)

>>

>> Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

>> Director of Medical Nutrition

>> Signet Diagnostic Corporation

>> Telecommuting Nationwide

>> (Mountain Time) office and cell

>> Fax:

>> mailto:DineRight4%40aol.com

>>

>>

>> " Though no one can go back and make a brand new start, anyone can

>> start

>> from now and make a brand new ending. "

>> ~Carl Bard

>>

>> Specialist in IBS, migraine, fibromyalgia and inflammatory conditions

>> which are often triggered by adverse reactions to foods and

>> chemicals.

>> Co-author of the Certified LEAP Therapist Training Course.

>>

>>

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Perhaps we should verify that before further spreading incorrect

information. On the other hand, I used to live maybe 5 minutes from a

state border. Prices were lower across the border. Should we limit the

ability of recipients to actually save money?

It's very easy to jump on an issue, blame someone (usually, blame

falls on those who are less educated, less affluent, and less erudite)

and come up with a facile solution. It's much harder to actually solve

the problem using critical thinking and making sure that the voices

that need to be heard are actually heard.

Pam Charney

pcharney@...

> I didn't realize that SNAP could be used beyond state lines...I know

> WIC

> vouchers/cards can't. One of the biggest health frauds is in Medicare

> spending - not by the recipients but by health care providers.(legit

> and

> not)

>

>

>

>>

>>

>> and states should make their Food Stamp/welfare cards valid only

>> within

>> their own state

>> and only at certain types of outlets.

>> Ro

>>

>> From: Dineright4@...

>> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 2:34 PM

>> To: rd-usa

>> Cc: cda-listserv ; jpatenaude@...

>> Subject: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in vacation/

>> exotic

>> locations

>>

>>

>> Colorado Welfare dollars are being withdrawn at ATMs in Hawaii, Las

>> Vegas

>> casinos (including between 10 pm and 6 am), Virgin Islands, Puerto

>> Rico,

>> etc, etc.

>>

>> Just reported on the noon news (Channel 7) today.

>>

>> Hmmm, shelter, clothing and child care. . . 2.3 million in CO Welfare

>> dollars withdrawn at ATMs outside of Colorado!

>>

>> I'd assume the fraud is as great in other states. Granted, ALL out

>> of state

>>

>> withdrawals are not fraudulent, but, if somebody on welfare can

>> afford to

>> spend money at these places, obviously, they don't really NEED free

>> tax

>> dollars!

>>

>> (I surely saw this fraud personally when I worked in WIC, Public

>> Health and

>>

>> Home Health Care over the years. Time for the govt to

>> investigate. . . I

>> still think that if private clients have to be drug tested for

>> certain

>> jobs, then random drug testing should be mandatory to receive

>> welfare funds

>> as

>> well.)

>>

>> Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

>> Director of Medical Nutrition

>> Signet Diagnostic Corporation

>> Telecommuting Nationwide

>> (Mountain Time) office and cell

>> Fax:

>> mailto:DineRight4%40aol.com

>>

>>

>> " Though no one can go back and make a brand new start, anyone can

>> start

>> from now and make a brand new ending. "

>> ~Carl Bard

>>

>> Specialist in IBS, migraine, fibromyalgia and inflammatory conditions

>> which are often triggered by adverse reactions to foods and

>> chemicals.

>> Co-author of the Certified LEAP Therapist Training Course.

>>

>>

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So if a person refuses to quit smoking, they no longer receive benefits? Then

what about their children? Who is going to step up and take care of them?

Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in vacation/exotic

locations

I don't mean to speak for Jan but not all recipients are " poor me " people

either. There is fraud in every entitlement program and I feel Jan was just

pointing out how the program can be abused. Fraud busters and/or programs

needs to be in place in every entitlement program. I feel if someone can

smoke they can afford to take that money and spend on food and housing and

care for their children. In our local hospital they are refusing to hire any

new employees who smoke.

>

>

> Colorado Welfare dollars are being withdrawn at ATMs in Hawaii, Las Vegas

> casinos (including between 10 pm and 6 am), Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico,

> etc, etc.

>

> Just reported on the noon news (Channel 7) today.

>

> Hmmm, shelter, clothing and child care. . . 2.3 million in CO Welfare

> dollars withdrawn at ATMs outside of Colorado!

>

> I'd assume the fraud is as great in other states. Granted, ALL out of state

>

> withdrawals are not fraudulent, but, if somebody on welfare can afford to

> spend money at these places, obviously, they don't really NEED free tax

> dollars!

>

> (I surely saw this fraud personally when I worked in WIC, Public Health and

>

> Home Health Care over the years. Time for the govt to investigate. . . I

> still think that if private clients have to be drug tested for certain

> jobs, then random drug testing should be mandatory to receive welfare funds

> as

> well.)

>

>

> Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

> Director of Medical Nutrition

> Signet Diagnostic Corporation

> Telecommuting Nationwide

> (Mountain Time) office and cell

> Fax:

> DineRight4@...

>

> " Though no one can go back and make a brand new start, anyone can start

> from now and make a brand new ending. "

> ~Carl Bard

>

> Specialist in IBS, migraine, fibromyalgia and inflammatory conditions

> which are often triggered by adverse reactions to foods and chemicals.

> Co-author of the Certified LEAP Therapist Training Course.

>

>

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So if a person refuses to quit smoking, they no longer receive benefits? Then

what about their children? Who is going to step up and take care of them?

Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in vacation/exotic

locations

I don't mean to speak for Jan but not all recipients are " poor me " people

either. There is fraud in every entitlement program and I feel Jan was just

pointing out how the program can be abused. Fraud busters and/or programs

needs to be in place in every entitlement program. I feel if someone can

smoke they can afford to take that money and spend on food and housing and

care for their children. In our local hospital they are refusing to hire any

new employees who smoke.

>

>

> Colorado Welfare dollars are being withdrawn at ATMs in Hawaii, Las Vegas

> casinos (including between 10 pm and 6 am), Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico,

> etc, etc.

>

> Just reported on the noon news (Channel 7) today.

>

> Hmmm, shelter, clothing and child care. . . 2.3 million in CO Welfare

> dollars withdrawn at ATMs outside of Colorado!

>

> I'd assume the fraud is as great in other states. Granted, ALL out of state

>

> withdrawals are not fraudulent, but, if somebody on welfare can afford to

> spend money at these places, obviously, they don't really NEED free tax

> dollars!

>

> (I surely saw this fraud personally when I worked in WIC, Public Health and

>

> Home Health Care over the years. Time for the govt to investigate. . . I

> still think that if private clients have to be drug tested for certain

> jobs, then random drug testing should be mandatory to receive welfare funds

> as

> well.)

>

>

> Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

> Director of Medical Nutrition

> Signet Diagnostic Corporation

> Telecommuting Nationwide

> (Mountain Time) office and cell

> Fax:

> DineRight4@...

>

> " Though no one can go back and make a brand new start, anyone can start

> from now and make a brand new ending. "

> ~Carl Bard

>

> Specialist in IBS, migraine, fibromyalgia and inflammatory conditions

> which are often triggered by adverse reactions to foods and chemicals.

> Co-author of the Certified LEAP Therapist Training Course.

>

>

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I know the issue about smoking will not change but at the same time where

does responsibility lay? Quit smoking and taking drugs/alcohol to care for

your children or raise my taxes to do it? ETHICS tells us the children

always come first. When I worked in WIC I do realize that most were great

parents but there are still that minority that leave me shaking my head for

a solution. The problem arises writing all the details in a law truly needed

for all the differences BUT that would be impossible. So someone will always

be upset about certain people getting assistance. I guess where are my

rights regarding paying taxes for all this??

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:45 PM, , a [DOC] <

a.@...> wrote:

>

>

> So if a person refuses to quit smoking, they no longer receive benefits?

> Then what about their children? Who is going to step up and take care of

> them?

>

>

> Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

> vacation/exotic locations

>

> I don't mean to speak for Jan but not all recipients are " poor me " people

> either. There is fraud in every entitlement program and I feel Jan was just

> pointing out how the program can be abused. Fraud busters and/or programs

> needs to be in place in every entitlement program. I feel if someone can

> smoke they can afford to take that money and spend on food and housing and

> care for their children. In our local hospital they are refusing to hire

> any

> new employees who smoke.

>

>

>

> >

> >

> > Colorado Welfare dollars are being withdrawn at ATMs in Hawaii, Las Vegas

> > casinos (including between 10 pm and 6 am), Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico,

> > etc, etc.

> >

> > Just reported on the noon news (Channel 7) today.

> >

> > Hmmm, shelter, clothing and child care. . . 2.3 million in CO Welfare

> > dollars withdrawn at ATMs outside of Colorado!

> >

> > I'd assume the fraud is as great in other states. Granted, ALL out of

> state

> >

> > withdrawals are not fraudulent, but, if somebody on welfare can afford to

> > spend money at these places, obviously, they don't really NEED free tax

> > dollars!

> >

> > (I surely saw this fraud personally when I worked in WIC, Public Health

> and

> >

> > Home Health Care over the years. Time for the govt to investigate. . . I

> > still think that if private clients have to be drug tested for certain

> > jobs, then random drug testing should be mandatory to receive welfare

> funds

> > as

> > well.)

> >

> >

> > Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

> > Director of Medical Nutrition

> > Signet Diagnostic Corporation

> > Telecommuting Nationwide

> > (Mountain Time) office and cell

> > Fax:

> > DineRight4@...

> >

> > " Though no one can go back and make a brand new start, anyone can start

> > from now and make a brand new ending. "

> > ~Carl Bard

> >

> > Specialist in IBS, migraine, fibromyalgia and inflammatory conditions

> > which are often triggered by adverse reactions to foods and chemicals.

> > Co-author of the Certified LEAP Therapist Training Course.

> >

> >

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I know the issue about smoking will not change but at the same time where

does responsibility lay? Quit smoking and taking drugs/alcohol to care for

your children or raise my taxes to do it? ETHICS tells us the children

always come first. When I worked in WIC I do realize that most were great

parents but there are still that minority that leave me shaking my head for

a solution. The problem arises writing all the details in a law truly needed

for all the differences BUT that would be impossible. So someone will always

be upset about certain people getting assistance. I guess where are my

rights regarding paying taxes for all this??

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:45 PM, , a [DOC] <

a.@...> wrote:

>

>

> So if a person refuses to quit smoking, they no longer receive benefits?

> Then what about their children? Who is going to step up and take care of

> them?

>

>

> Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

> vacation/exotic locations

>

> I don't mean to speak for Jan but not all recipients are " poor me " people

> either. There is fraud in every entitlement program and I feel Jan was just

> pointing out how the program can be abused. Fraud busters and/or programs

> needs to be in place in every entitlement program. I feel if someone can

> smoke they can afford to take that money and spend on food and housing and

> care for their children. In our local hospital they are refusing to hire

> any

> new employees who smoke.

>

>

>

> >

> >

> > Colorado Welfare dollars are being withdrawn at ATMs in Hawaii, Las Vegas

> > casinos (including between 10 pm and 6 am), Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico,

> > etc, etc.

> >

> > Just reported on the noon news (Channel 7) today.

> >

> > Hmmm, shelter, clothing and child care. . . 2.3 million in CO Welfare

> > dollars withdrawn at ATMs outside of Colorado!

> >

> > I'd assume the fraud is as great in other states. Granted, ALL out of

> state

> >

> > withdrawals are not fraudulent, but, if somebody on welfare can afford to

> > spend money at these places, obviously, they don't really NEED free tax

> > dollars!

> >

> > (I surely saw this fraud personally when I worked in WIC, Public Health

> and

> >

> > Home Health Care over the years. Time for the govt to investigate. . . I

> > still think that if private clients have to be drug tested for certain

> > jobs, then random drug testing should be mandatory to receive welfare

> funds

> > as

> > well.)

> >

> >

> > Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

> > Director of Medical Nutrition

> > Signet Diagnostic Corporation

> > Telecommuting Nationwide

> > (Mountain Time) office and cell

> > Fax:

> > DineRight4@...

> >

> > " Though no one can go back and make a brand new start, anyone can start

> > from now and make a brand new ending. "

> > ~Carl Bard

> >

> > Specialist in IBS, migraine, fibromyalgia and inflammatory conditions

> > which are often triggered by adverse reactions to foods and chemicals.

> > Co-author of the Certified LEAP Therapist Training Course.

> >

> >

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It wasn't that long ago that my debit card was used to bet on a horse or a

football team in jolly old England. Living in Alaska made for interesting

research on where this debit came from. If it can be done it will be hacked. It

may not be the recipients that are gaining from this but someone else. Welfare

abuse has been around as long as welfare. Will we be able to stop it, most

likely not, just plug the new loop holes at they appear.

Jackie Chase RD

Dillingham AK

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It wasn't that long ago that my debit card was used to bet on a horse or a

football team in jolly old England. Living in Alaska made for interesting

research on where this debit came from. If it can be done it will be hacked. It

may not be the recipients that are gaining from this but someone else. Welfare

abuse has been around as long as welfare. Will we be able to stop it, most

likely not, just plug the new loop holes at they appear.

Jackie Chase RD

Dillingham AK

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It wasn't that long ago that my debit card was used to bet on a horse or a

football team in jolly old England. Living in Alaska made for interesting

research on where this debit came from. If it can be done it will be hacked. It

may not be the recipients that are gaining from this but someone else. Welfare

abuse has been around as long as welfare. Will we be able to stop it, most

likely not, just plug the new loop holes at they appear.

Jackie Chase RD

Dillingham AK

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Cigarets should not be paid for by SNAP or other government aid money! And no, I

wouldn't care if the walefare person is buyng cigarets as long as they dont do

so with my (AKA tax) money,AS for Obama trip - it wasn't completely

un-true, she had all the security and airfare paid by our money, which I could

agree that she needs a vocation, but I didn't think it was appropriate for her

to have such a luxurious one when everybody are tightening their belts!as for

the coverage by the media - really..that's the best defense? that the media is

over- doing and lying when it is exposing the gov but when it is supporting of

it, it is all true? I don't think so. I think a great intervention is required

when welfare $$ is used for vacation in Hawaii or any vacation, even in the

neighboring state. I am not paying tax for the poor to go on vacation when I

cannot afford one! I am here to pay the poor to support their families BASIC

NEEDS, nothing more! This is outrageous! and it should be further investigated

not just dismissed with " this is the media " .

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

" Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments that

take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget the truth, they just

become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

To: rd-usa

From: a.@...

Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:45:39 -0600

Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in vacation/exotic

locations

So if a person refuses to quit smoking, they no longer receive benefits?

Then what about their children? Who is going to step up and take care of them?

Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in vacation/exotic

locations

I don't mean to speak for Jan but not all recipients are " poor me " people

either. There is fraud in every entitlement program and I feel Jan was just

pointing out how the program can be abused. Fraud busters and/or programs

needs to be in place in every entitlement program. I feel if someone can

smoke they can afford to take that money and spend on food and housing and

care for their children. In our local hospital they are refusing to hire any

new employees who smoke.

>

>

> Colorado Welfare dollars are being withdrawn at ATMs in Hawaii, Las Vegas

> casinos (including between 10 pm and 6 am), Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico,

> etc, etc.

>

> Just reported on the noon news (Channel 7) today.

>

> Hmmm, shelter, clothing and child care. . . 2.3 million in CO Welfare

> dollars withdrawn at ATMs outside of Colorado!

>

> I'd assume the fraud is as great in other states. Granted, ALL out of state

>

> withdrawals are not fraudulent, but, if somebody on welfare can afford to

> spend money at these places, obviously, they don't really NEED free tax

> dollars!

>

> (I surely saw this fraud personally when I worked in WIC, Public Health and

>

> Home Health Care over the years. Time for the govt to investigate. . . I

> still think that if private clients have to be drug tested for certain

> jobs, then random drug testing should be mandatory to receive welfare funds

> as

> well.)

>

>

> Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

> Director of Medical Nutrition

> Signet Diagnostic Corporation

> Telecommuting Nationwide

> (Mountain Time) office and cell

> Fax:

> DineRight4@...

>

> " Though no one can go back and make a brand new start, anyone can start

> from now and make a brand new ending. "

> ~Carl Bard

>

> Specialist in IBS, migraine, fibromyalgia and inflammatory conditions

> which are often triggered by adverse reactions to foods and chemicals.

> Co-author of the Certified LEAP Therapist Training Course.

>

>

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either way its a fraud, and should be investigated and not assumed welfare money

being hacked right away. There might be something to it and if so - there

should be something done for better protection of these cards to protect against

hacking/identity theft. and what if you found out that the welfare cards where

sold for cash and that's how it was " hacked " ? All possible, maybe yes, maybe

not, but we can't just dismiss it!

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

" Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments that

take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget the truth, they just

become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

To: rd-usa

From: jackiechase66@...

Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:49:49 -0800

Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in vacation/exotic

locations

It wasn't that long ago that my debit card was used to bet on a horse or a

football team in jolly old England. Living in Alaska made for interesting

research on where this debit came from. If it can be done it will be hacked. It

may not be the recipients that are gaining from this but someone else. Welfare

abuse has been around as long as welfare. Will we be able to stop it, most

likely not, just plug the new loop holes at they appear.

Jackie Chase RD

Dillingham AK

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Merav,

I think you might have the India trip, for which the costs were

vastly, immensely and ginormously inflated by those with less than

correct knowledge, with the vacation the First Lady took in Spain. It

is the responsibility of the press to report facts; that means

checking on what's going on when someone forwards figures that are so

outside the realm of rational discussion.

Travel by the President's family is and has been for some time, paid

for by the American public. For the Spanish vacation, the First Lady

took Air Force 2. I guess it wasn't being used that day....... The

President's family is also provided Secret Service coverage while

traveling, so yes, some of the trip was paid for by the American

public. I suppose you can ask your representatives to cut that, but

don't think you'll get too far b/c most of them dream of becoming

President and so don't want to cut their possibility of traveling on

your dime.

During the Spanish trip, other costs were borne by the First Family.

Chances are there were some folks who might have assisted. Remember

also that while the First Lady is not elected, she does have a

tremendous impact on issues. Every First Lady that I can remember has

had an " issue of choice " . There's press coverage and public interest

no matter where they do. Always has been. Do I think she might have

chosen a perhaps " American " place to visit? Sure. But she didn't ask

me. I haven't asked for the full accounting, but I guess we could

request that information that is part of the public record.

So, since you would like for us all to have similar abilities to

vacation, are you in reality advocating for a socialist state? We

can't have it both ways!

Pam Charney

pcharney@...

>

> Cigarets should not be paid for by SNAP or other government aid

> money! And no, I wouldn't care if the walefare person is buyng

> cigarets as long as they dont do so with my (AKA tax) money,AS for

> Obama trip - it wasn't completely un-true, she had all the

> security and airfare paid by our money, which I could agree that she

> needs a vocation, but I didn't think it was appropriate for her to

> have such a luxurious one when everybody are tightening their belts!

> as for the coverage by the media - really..that's the best defense?

> that the media is over- doing and lying when it is exposing the gov

> but when it is supporting of it, it is all true? I don't think so. I

> think a great intervention is required when welfare $$ is used for

> vacation in Hawaii or any vacation, even in the neighboring state. I

> am not paying tax for the poor to go on vacation when I cannot

> afford one! I am here to pay the poor to support their families

> BASIC NEEDS, nothing more! This is outrageous! and it should

> be further investigated not just dismissed with " this is the media " .

>

> Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

> http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

>

> " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the

> moments that take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't

> forget the truth, they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary

> Road)

>

>

>

>

> To: rd-usa

> From: a.@...

> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:45:39 -0600

> Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

> vacation/exotic locations

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> So if a person refuses to quit smoking, they no longer receive

> benefits? Then what about their children? Who is going to step up

> and take care of them?

>

>

>

> Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

> vacation/exotic locations

>

>

>

> I don't mean to speak for Jan but not all recipients are " poor me "

> people

>

> either. There is fraud in every entitlement program and I feel Jan

> was just

>

> pointing out how the program can be abused. Fraud busters and/or

> programs

>

> needs to be in place in every entitlement program. I feel if someone

> can

>

> smoke they can afford to take that money and spend on food and

> housing and

>

> care for their children. In our local hospital they are refusing to

> hire any

>

> new employees who smoke.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>>

>

>>

>

>> Colorado Welfare dollars are being withdrawn at ATMs in Hawaii, Las

>> Vegas

>

>> casinos (including between 10 pm and 6 am), Virgin Islands, Puerto

>> Rico,

>

>> etc, etc.

>

>>

>

>> Just reported on the noon news (Channel 7) today.

>

>>

>

>> Hmmm, shelter, clothing and child care. . . 2.3 million in CO Welfare

>

>> dollars withdrawn at ATMs outside of Colorado!

>

>>

>

>> I'd assume the fraud is as great in other states. Granted, ALL out

>> of state

>

>>

>

>> withdrawals are not fraudulent, but, if somebody on welfare can

>> afford to

>

>> spend money at these places, obviously, they don't really NEED free

>> tax

>

>> dollars!

>

>>

>

>> (I surely saw this fraud personally when I worked in WIC, Public

>> Health and

>

>>

>

>> Home Health Care over the years. Time for the govt to

>> investigate. . . I

>

>> still think that if private clients have to be drug tested for

>> certain

>

>> jobs, then random drug testing should be mandatory to receive

>> welfare funds

>

>> as

>

>> well.)

>

>>

>

>>

>

>> Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

>

>> Director of Medical Nutrition

>

>> Signet Diagnostic Corporation

>

>> Telecommuting Nationwide

>

>> (Mountain Time) office and cell

>

>> Fax:

>

>> DineRight4@...

>

>>

>

>> " Though no one can go back and make a brand new start, anyone can

>> start

>

>> from now and make a brand new ending. "

>

>> ~Carl Bard

>

>>

>

>> Specialist in IBS, migraine, fibromyalgia and inflammatory conditions

>

>> which are often triggered by adverse reactions to foods and

>> chemicals.

>

>> Co-author of the Certified LEAP Therapist Training Course.

>

>>

>

>>

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On a more positive note about the poor...My father volunteers at a soup kithchen

run by a local charity on a weekly basis. He told me that at the end of the

month is when they have a full house and when they run out of food to serve. He

told me this is when the welfare/food stamp money run out and people are going

hungry. Many of the poor are too ashamed to show up all the time. They only

come when they truly need the meals. They could come all the time and use the

welfare money for something else, but they do not.

Sure fraud and waste is bad in any form and I wish it could be stopped.

We should not jump to blame those who are most vulerable.

How are these welfare recipients finding the cash to fly to these exotic

locations? We are financially stable and are unable to afford tickets to exotic

locals. Tickets just to visit family can be above $1000 for us.

It is probably someone hacking into the system. They may be even doing it

outside the country.

Just my two cents!

>

> Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in vacation/exotic

locations

> To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

> Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 3:22 PM

>

> either way its a fraud, and should be investigated and not

> assumed welfare money being hacked right away. There might

> be something to it and if so -  there should be

> something done for better protection of these cards to

> protect against hacking/identity theft. and what if you

> found out that the welfare cards where sold for cash and

> that's how it was " hacked " ? All possible, maybe yes, maybe

> not, but we can't just dismiss it!

>

> Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

> http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

>

> " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but

> by the moments that take your breath away. " - Carlin

> " People don't forget the truth, they just become better in

> lying " (Revolutionary Road)

>

>

>

>

> To: rd-usa

> From: jackiechase66@...

> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:49:49 -0800

> Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money

> in vacation/exotic locations

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>  

>

>

>    

>      

>      

>       It wasn't that long ago that my debit

> card was used to bet on a horse or a

>

> football team in jolly old England. Living in Alaska made

> for interesting

>

> research on where this debit came from. If it can be done

> it will be hacked. It

>

> may not be the recipients that are gaining from this but

> someone else. Welfare

>

> abuse has been around as long as welfare. Will we be able

> to stop it, most

>

> likely not, just plug the new loop holes at they appear.

>

>

>

> Jackie Chase RD

>

> Dillingham AK

>

>

>

>

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Pam,YOu got me wrong, and I am sorry if it was me who did not state things well

enough.I did refer to the Spain trip and not to India,. Obama did not

join the trip to India, but even if my memory does not serve me well, the trip

to India was not a vacation.Again, I completely support the need of the first

family for full Secret SErvice coverage wherever they are 24/7/365, vacation or

not!. BUT - what I didn't like about the Spain trip is that Spain, and

specifically Palma De-Mallorca is a VERY expensive location. At the time that we

are all struggling to afloat, she should not take such a vacation, regardless of

the fact that she paid for it, it just had bad taste to it. Just for comparison

- First Lady Bush, while in the house, took ALL her vacation in the US!

WHy M. Obama could not do the same and give the money to local hotel or vacation

resorts? I have no problem, with my money paying for the Secret Service as I

would like her, as my First Lady, to be safe and not an easy target for

terrorism. I come from Israel and terrorism and security are things that I need

no explanation for. SO again, the only problem I had with her vacation is the

expensive location. Not to mention, as a mother, I felt bad for the older

daughter,Malia, to stay behind in a camp while her younger sister got to meet a

real King and Queen (but that's for the Obamas to deal with in house, not my

problem, at the dinner table, and maybe Malia wanted camp, though I am not sure

I know ANY teenager girl who would not want to meet a real king/queen).So I hope

I am clear now.As for Obama " issue of choice " I thought it was Obesity

and if you look at the older daughter's, Malia, recent photo she appears a bit

too skinny to my professional eye, maybe bc mommy was talking too much about

children obesity and her daughter's " issue " with wt...? while I cannot recall

one single photo that Malia (or Sasha, for that matter) looks even one bit

overwt to me.

And no, I do not think we should ALL have the same abilities for vacation. ANd I

am very much OK with the rich vacationing in Aspen, while I am staying at home,

they did not ask me to pay for it and since they make their own $$, they should

choose how to spend it. I am not even jealous, I am happy for them and don't

feel that they owe me ANYTHING bc they got better job/worked harder/had better

luck/better opportunities whatever you want to call you - good for them and I

am very happy for them. BUT, I don't ask you or Trump to pay for mine,

did I? So if someone cry " poor me " and I pay for their welfare, I better not

find them on the Hawian beach spending MY money!

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

" Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments that

take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget the truth, they just

become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

To: rd-usa

From: pcharney@...

Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 15:33:49 -0800

Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in vacation/exotic

locations

Merav,

I think you might have the India trip, for which the costs were

vastly, immensely and ginormously inflated by those with less than

correct knowledge, with the vacation the First Lady took in Spain. It

is the responsibility of the press to report facts; that means

checking on what's going on when someone forwards figures that are so

outside the realm of rational discussion.

Travel by the President's family is and has been for some time, paid

for by the American public. For the Spanish vacation, the First Lady

took Air Force 2. I guess it wasn't being used that day....... The

President's family is also provided Secret Service coverage while

traveling, so yes, some of the trip was paid for by the American

public. I suppose you can ask your representatives to cut that, but

don't think you'll get too far b/c most of them dream of becoming

President and so don't want to cut their possibility of traveling on

your dime.

During the Spanish trip, other costs were borne by the First Family.

Chances are there were some folks who might have assisted. Remember

also that while the First Lady is not elected, she does have a

tremendous impact on issues. Every First Lady that I can remember has

had an " issue of choice " . There's press coverage and public interest

no matter where they do. Always has been. Do I think she might have

chosen a perhaps " American " place to visit? Sure. But she didn't ask

me. I haven't asked for the full accounting, but I guess we could

request that information that is part of the public record.

So, since you would like for us all to have similar abilities to

vacation, are you in reality advocating for a socialist state? We

can't have it both ways!

Pam Charney

pcharney@...

>

> Cigarets should not be paid for by SNAP or other government aid

> money! And no, I wouldn't care if the walefare person is buyng

> cigarets as long as they dont do so with my (AKA tax) money,AS for

> Obama trip - it wasn't completely un-true, she had all the

> security and airfare paid by our money, which I could agree that she

> needs a vocation, but I didn't think it was appropriate for her to

> have such a luxurious one when everybody are tightening their belts!

> as for the coverage by the media - really..that's the best defense?

> that the media is over- doing and lying when it is exposing the gov

> but when it is supporting of it, it is all true? I don't think so. I

> think a great intervention is required when welfare $$ is used for

> vacation in Hawaii or any vacation, even in the neighboring state. I

> am not paying tax for the poor to go on vacation when I cannot

> afford one! I am here to pay the poor to support their families

> BASIC NEEDS, nothing more! This is outrageous! and it should

> be further investigated not just dismissed with " this is the media " .

>

> Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

> http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

>

> " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the

> moments that take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't

> forget the truth, they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary

> Road)

>

>

>

>

> To: rd-usa

> From: a.@...

> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:45:39 -0600

> Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

> vacation/exotic locations

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> So if a person refuses to quit smoking, they no longer receive

> benefits? Then what about their children? Who is going to step up

> and take care of them?

>

>

>

> Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

> vacation/exotic locations

>

>

>

> I don't mean to speak for Jan but not all recipients are " poor me "

> people

>

> either. There is fraud in every entitlement program and I feel Jan

> was just

>

> pointing out how the program can be abused. Fraud busters and/or

> programs

>

> needs to be in place in every entitlement program. I feel if someone

> can

>

> smoke they can afford to take that money and spend on food and

> housing and

>

> care for their children. In our local hospital they are refusing to

> hire any

>

> new employees who smoke.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>>

>

>>

>

>> Colorado Welfare dollars are being withdrawn at ATMs in Hawaii, Las

>> Vegas

>

>> casinos (including between 10 pm and 6 am), Virgin Islands, Puerto

>> Rico,

>

>> etc, etc.

>

>>

>

>> Just reported on the noon news (Channel 7) today.

>

>>

>

>> Hmmm, shelter, clothing and child care. . . 2.3 million in CO Welfare

>

>> dollars withdrawn at ATMs outside of Colorado!

>

>>

>

>> I'd assume the fraud is as great in other states. Granted, ALL out

>> of state

>

>>

>

>> withdrawals are not fraudulent, but, if somebody on welfare can

>> afford to

>

>> spend money at these places, obviously, they don't really NEED free

>> tax

>

>> dollars!

>

>>

>

>> (I surely saw this fraud personally when I worked in WIC, Public

>> Health and

>

>>

>

>> Home Health Care over the years. Time for the govt to

>> investigate. . . I

>

>> still think that if private clients have to be drug tested for

>> certain

>

>> jobs, then random drug testing should be mandatory to receive

>> welfare funds

>

>> as

>

>> well.)

>

>>

>

>>

>

>> Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

>

>> Director of Medical Nutrition

>

>> Signet Diagnostic Corporation

>

>> Telecommuting Nationwide

>

>> (Mountain Time) office and cell

>

>> Fax:

>

>> DineRight4@...

>

>>

>

>> " Though no one can go back and make a brand new start, anyone can

>> start

>

>> from now and make a brand new ending. "

>

>> ~Carl Bard

>

>>

>

>> Specialist in IBS, migraine, fibromyalgia and inflammatory conditions

>

>> which are often triggered by adverse reactions to foods and

>> chemicals.

>

>> Co-author of the Certified LEAP Therapist Training Course.

>

>>

>

>>

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,

WHile it is very sad that people are more in need at the end of the month and I

am well aware we have a lot of poverty and hunger in the US. During my grad

years we had to study one research in Statistics class about families struggle

with hunger in NYC, my home town. I read the article and cried, never finished

it. the mothers interviewed there said they are sending the kids to friends'

house for play dates and purposely coming late to pick them up knowing they will

get dinner.So, I know what you mean by " positive note " but I wish it was more

pink then that.

As for affording the vacations - as someone here said it before - there are

many who are on welfare who shouldn't, but they know how to play the system.

Another way - get a credit card and charge it, never pay for it. But you dont

need to be on welfare to do that, it is just wrong, plain theft. But I don't

think that's the issue in the article discussed here, that would not be a

welfare $$$ spent. so as I said before - I would like to see further

investigation.

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

" Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments that

take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget the truth, they just

become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

To: rd-usa

From: jenniferschmerge@...

Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 15:48:14 -0800

Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in vacation/exotic

locations

On a more positive note about the poor...My father volunteers at a soup

kithchen run by a local charity on a weekly basis. He told me that at the end of

the month is when they have a full house and when they run out of food to serve.

He told me this is when the welfare/food stamp money run out and people are

going hungry. Many of the poor are too ashamed to show up all the time. They

only come when they truly need the meals. They could come all the time and use

the welfare money for something else, but they do not.

Sure fraud and waste is bad in any form and I wish it could be stopped.

We should not jump to blame those who are most vulerable.

How are these welfare recipients finding the cash to fly to these exotic

locations? We are financially stable and are unable to afford tickets to exotic

locals. Tickets just to visit family can be above $1000 for us.

It is probably someone hacking into the system. They may be even doing it

outside the country.

Just my two cents!

>

> Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in vacation/exotic

locations

> To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

> Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 3:22 PM

>

> either way its a fraud, and should be investigated and not

> assumed welfare money being hacked right away. There might

> be something to it and if so - there should be

> something done for better protection of these cards to

> protect against hacking/identity theft. and what if you

> found out that the welfare cards where sold for cash and

> that's how it was " hacked " ? All possible, maybe yes, maybe

> not, but we can't just dismiss it!

>

> Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

> http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

>

> " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but

> by the moments that take your breath away. " - Carlin

> " People don't forget the truth, they just become better in

> lying " (Revolutionary Road)

>

>

>

>

> To: rd-usa

> From: jackiechase66@...

> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:49:49 -0800

> Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money

> in vacation/exotic locations

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> It wasn't that long ago that my debit

> card was used to bet on a horse or a

>

> football team in jolly old England. Living in Alaska made

> for interesting

>

> research on where this debit came from. If it can be done

> it will be hacked. It

>

> may not be the recipients that are gaining from this but

> someone else. Welfare

>

> abuse has been around as long as welfare. Will we be able

> to stop it, most

>

> likely not, just plug the new loop holes at they appear.

>

>

>

> Jackie Chase RD

>

> Dillingham AK

>

>

>

>

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I am just tired of reading so many threads that are so negative about the poor.

Fraud and taxes are always going to be apart of life. I live in one of the most

expensive and wasteful states in the nation, so I am no stranger to paying very

high taxes, and not seeing a whole lot become of it. This has been going on here

for many decades, no matter what party is in power in our state capitol and in

Washington.

I have stopped being so angry and just try to help when I can. NPR gave the best

description of Californians.. " We want everything but we don't want to pay for

it " .

I live in a very financially mixed city. Very poor to very rich. I see poor

people everyday where I shop, schools, etc., and it is really hard for me to

imagine them buying an airline ticket and skipping off to Hawaii after digging

in the discount bins at Ross and Goodwill,going through my trash for recyclables

on trash day, and buying food with foodstamps. It just doesn't do it for me.

There has got to be more to the story.

>

>

>

> >

>

> > Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing

> money in vacation/exotic locations

>

> > To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

>

> > Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 3:22 PM

>

> >

>

> > either way its a fraud, and should be investigated and

> not

>

> > assumed welfare money being hacked right away. There

> might

>

> > be something to it and if so -  there should be

>

> > something done for better protection of these cards

> to

>

> > protect against hacking/identity theft. and what if

> you

>

> > found out that the welfare cards where sold for cash

> and

>

> > that's how it was " hacked " ? All possible, maybe yes,

> maybe

>

> > not, but we can't just dismiss it!

>

> >

>

> > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food

> police.

>

> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

>

> >

>

> > " Life is not measured by the number of breath you

> take, but

>

> > by the moments that take your breath away. " -

> Carlin

>

> > " People don't forget the truth, they just become

> better in

>

> > lying " (Revolutionary Road)

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > To: rd-usa

>

> > From: jackiechase66@...

>

> > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:49:49 -0800

>

> > Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing

> money

>

> > in vacation/exotic locations

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> >       

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> >       It wasn't that long ago

> that my debit

>

> > card was used to bet on a horse or a

>

> >

>

> > football team in jolly old England. Living in Alaska

> made

>

> > for interesting

>

> >

>

> > research on where this debit came from. If it can be

> done

>

> > it will be hacked. It

>

> >

>

> > may not be the recipients that are gaining from this

> but

>

> > someone else. Welfare

>

> >

>

> > abuse has been around as long as welfare. Will we be

> able

>

> > to stop it, most

>

> >

>

> > likely not, just plug the new loop holes at they

> appear.

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> >

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> > Jackie Chase RD

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> > Dillingham AK

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I am just tired of reading so many threads that are so negative about the poor.

Fraud and taxes are always going to be apart of life. I live in one of the most

expensive and wasteful states in the nation, so I am no stranger to paying very

high taxes, and not seeing a whole lot become of it. This has been going on here

for many decades, no matter what party is in power in our state capitol and in

Washington.

I have stopped being so angry and just try to help when I can. NPR gave the best

description of Californians.. " We want everything but we don't want to pay for

it " .

I live in a very financially mixed city. Very poor to very rich. I see poor

people everyday where I shop, schools, etc., and it is really hard for me to

imagine them buying an airline ticket and skipping off to Hawaii after digging

in the discount bins at Ross and Goodwill,going through my trash for recyclables

on trash day, and buying food with foodstamps. It just doesn't do it for me.

There has got to be more to the story.

>

>

>

> >

>

> > Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing

> money in vacation/exotic locations

>

> > To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

>

> > Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 3:22 PM

>

> >

>

> > either way its a fraud, and should be investigated and

> not

>

> > assumed welfare money being hacked right away. There

> might

>

> > be something to it and if so -  there should be

>

> > something done for better protection of these cards

> to

>

> > protect against hacking/identity theft. and what if

> you

>

> > found out that the welfare cards where sold for cash

> and

>

> > that's how it was " hacked " ? All possible, maybe yes,

> maybe

>

> > not, but we can't just dismiss it!

>

> >

>

> > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food

> police.

>

> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

>

> >

>

> > " Life is not measured by the number of breath you

> take, but

>

> > by the moments that take your breath away. " -

> Carlin

>

> > " People don't forget the truth, they just become

> better in

>

> > lying " (Revolutionary Road)

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > To: rd-usa

>

> > From: jackiechase66@...

>

> > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:49:49 -0800

>

> > Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing

> money

>

> > in vacation/exotic locations

>

> >

>

> >

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> >

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> >     

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> >       

>

> >       

>

> >       It wasn't that long ago

> that my debit

>

> > card was used to bet on a horse or a

>

> >

>

> > football team in jolly old England. Living in Alaska

> made

>

> > for interesting

>

> >

>

> > research on where this debit came from. If it can be

> done

>

> > it will be hacked. It

>

> >

>

> > may not be the recipients that are gaining from this

> but

>

> > someone else. Welfare

>

> >

>

> > abuse has been around as long as welfare. Will we be

> able

>

> > to stop it, most

>

> >

>

> > likely not, just plug the new loop holes at they

> appear.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Jackie Chase RD

>

> >

>

> > Dillingham AK

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

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Absolutely,I am with you. I don't think all poor ppl abuse the system, but I

work for a city hospital and I see a lot of it too, a lot of " I am entitled "

instead of " thank you " . so there are all kinds and I am all for supporting the

poor, and I agree - abuse is everywhere to this extant or the other, but we

should strive to do everything possible to eliminate it to minimum. I would love

to hear more details, and yes, I would love to hear it is all fiction, but I

believe this is also too good to be true. It does not stop me from continuing

giving to charities, bc I know the $$$ is mostly used for good, but would like

to know everything is done to prevent the bad.

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

" Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments that

take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget the truth, they just

become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

To: rd-usa

From: jenniferschmerge@...

Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:49:34 -0800

Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in vacation/exotic

locations

I am just tired of reading so many threads that are so negative about the

poor. Fraud and taxes are always going to be apart of life. I live in one of

the most expensive and wasteful states in the nation, so I am no stranger to

paying very high taxes, and not seeing a whole lot become of it. This has been

going on here for many decades, no matter what party is in power in our state

capitol and in Washington.

I have stopped being so angry and just try to help when I can. NPR gave the best

description of Californians.. " We want everything but we don't want to pay for

it " .

I live in a very financially mixed city. Very poor to very rich. I see poor

people everyday where I shop, schools, etc., and it is really hard for me to

imagine them buying an airline ticket and skipping off to Hawaii after digging

in the discount bins at Ross and Goodwill,going through my trash for recyclables

on trash day, and buying food with foodstamps. It just doesn't do it for me.

There has got to be more to the story.

>

>

>

> >

>

> > Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing

> money in vacation/exotic locations

>

> > To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

>

> > Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 3:22 PM

>

> >

>

> > either way its a fraud, and should be investigated and

> not

>

> > assumed welfare money being hacked right away. There

> might

>

> > be something to it and if so - there should be

>

> > something done for better protection of these cards

> to

>

> > protect against hacking/identity theft. and what if

> you

>

> > found out that the welfare cards where sold for cash

> and

>

> > that's how it was " hacked " ? All possible, maybe yes,

> maybe

>

> > not, but we can't just dismiss it!

>

> >

>

> > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food

> police.

>

> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

>

> >

>

> > " Life is not measured by the number of breath you

> take, but

>

> > by the moments that take your breath away. " -

> Carlin

>

> > " People don't forget the truth, they just become

> better in

>

> > lying " (Revolutionary Road)

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > To: rd-usa

>

> > From: jackiechase66@...

>

> > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:49:49 -0800

>

> > Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing

> money

>

> > in vacation/exotic locations

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

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> >

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> >

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> >

>

> >

>

> > It wasn't that long ago

> that my debit

>

> > card was used to bet on a horse or a

>

> >

>

> > football team in jolly old England. Living in Alaska

> made

>

> > for interesting

>

> >

>

> > research on where this debit came from. If it can be

> done

>

> > it will be hacked. It

>

> >

>

> > may not be the recipients that are gaining from this

> but

>

> > someone else. Welfare

>

> >

>

> > abuse has been around as long as welfare. Will we be

> able

>

> > to stop it, most

>

> >

>

> > likely not, just plug the new loop holes at they

> appear.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Jackie Chase RD

>

> >

>

> > Dillingham AK

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

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I can't believe we are having ANOTHER discussion about this. We all know

where everyone stands by now on social/political issues.

Let's remember that smoking and drinking and drugs are all addictions....

and they are very hard to beat. Sure, people should not have started in the

first place, but I'm guessing a lot of time life is stressful and perhaps

they turn to something like that. We can't even agree to provide the poor

food and healthcare, let alone rehab/mental health services.

Also, the first lady and her children didn't run for political office.

There is no justification to begrudge them their vacation trips, no matter

where they are going. They would have had travel and security paid by us

irregardless and rightfully so. I'm sure a trip to Spain is a wonderful

educational opportunity for her children to see how other people live. Just

because other presidents chose to go to Camp or their ranch, it

shouldn't matter, period. Family should be off limits. They paid their way

for everything else.

Mandatory drug testing. Is it REALLY worth it? Think about the money spent

to pay for the tests and to hire people (OH NO, more government workers) to

administer and process this testing and follow up on the whole thing. Talk

about bureaucracy!! Sure, the government says they are only looking for

drugs, but imagine what else they can glean from one's urine? Can we be

absolutely sure they are only testing for drugs? And if the food stamp

dollars get parents that are using drugs, food for their children rather

than starving, then I'm okay with that....

>

> Absolutely,I am with you. I don't think all poor ppl abuse the system, but

> I work for a city hospital and I see a lot of it too, a lot of " I am

> entitled " instead of " thank you " . so there are all kinds and I am all for

> supporting the poor, and I agree - abuse is everywhere to this extant or the

> other, but we should strive to do everything possible to eliminate it to

> minimum. I would love to hear more details, and yes, I would love to hear it

> is all fiction, but I believe this is also too good to be true. It does not

> stop me from continuing giving to charities, bc I know the $$$ is mostly

> used for good, but would like to know everything is done to prevent the bad.

>

> Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

> http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

>

> " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments

> that take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget the truth,

> they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

>

>

>

>

> To: rd-usa

> From: jenniferschmerge@...

> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:49:34 -0800

> Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

> vacation/exotic locations

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I am just tired of reading so many threads that are so negative about

> the poor. Fraud and taxes are always going to be apart of life. I live in

> one of the most expensive and wasteful states in the nation, so I am no

> stranger to paying very high taxes, and not seeing a whole lot become of it.

> This has been going on here for many decades, no matter what party is in

> power in our state capitol and in Washington.

>

> I have stopped being so angry and just try to help when I can. NPR gave the

> best description of Californians.. " We want everything but we don't want to

> pay for it " .

>

> I live in a very financially mixed city. Very poor to very rich. I see

> poor people everyday where I shop, schools, etc., and it is really hard for

> me to imagine them buying an airline ticket and skipping off to Hawaii after

> digging in the discount bins at Ross and Goodwill,going through my trash for

> recyclables on trash day, and buying food with foodstamps. It just doesn't

> do it for me. There has got to be more to the story.

>

>

>

>

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing

>

> > money in vacation/exotic locations

>

> >

>

> > > To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

>

> >

>

> > > Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 3:22 PM

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > either way its a fraud, and should be investigated and

>

> > not

>

> >

>

> > > assumed welfare money being hacked right away. There

>

> > might

>

> >

>

> > > be something to it and if so - there should be

>

> >

>

> > > something done for better protection of these cards

>

> > to

>

> >

>

> > > protect against hacking/identity theft. and what if

>

> > you

>

> >

>

> > > found out that the welfare cards where sold for cash

>

> > and

>

> >

>

> > > that's how it was " hacked " ? All possible, maybe yes,

>

> > maybe

>

> >

>

> > > not, but we can't just dismiss it!

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food

>

> > police.

>

> >

>

> > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > " Life is not measured by the number of breath you

>

> > take, but

>

> >

>

> > > by the moments that take your breath away. " -

>

> > Carlin

>

> >

>

> > > " People don't forget the truth, they just become

>

> > better in

>

> >

>

> > > lying " (Revolutionary Road)

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > To: rd-usa

>

> >

>

> > > From: jackiechase66@...

>

> >

>

> > > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:49:49 -0800

>

> >

>

> > > Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing

>

> > money

>

> >

>

> > > in vacation/exotic locations

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > >

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> > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > It wasn't that long ago

>

> > that my debit

>

> >

>

> > > card was used to bet on a horse or a

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > football team in jolly old England. Living in Alaska

>

> > made

>

> >

>

> > > for interesting

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > research on where this debit came from. If it can be

>

> > done

>

> >

>

> > > it will be hacked. It

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > may not be the recipients that are gaining from this

>

> > but

>

> >

>

> > > someone else. Welfare

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > abuse has been around as long as welfare. Will we be

>

> > able

>

> >

>

> > > to stop it, most

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > likely not, just plug the new loop holes at they

>

> > appear.

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > Jackie Chase RD

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > Dillingham AK

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > >

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> >

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> > >

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I can't believe we are having ANOTHER discussion about this. We all know

where everyone stands by now on social/political issues.

Let's remember that smoking and drinking and drugs are all addictions....

and they are very hard to beat. Sure, people should not have started in the

first place, but I'm guessing a lot of time life is stressful and perhaps

they turn to something like that. We can't even agree to provide the poor

food and healthcare, let alone rehab/mental health services.

Also, the first lady and her children didn't run for political office.

There is no justification to begrudge them their vacation trips, no matter

where they are going. They would have had travel and security paid by us

irregardless and rightfully so. I'm sure a trip to Spain is a wonderful

educational opportunity for her children to see how other people live. Just

because other presidents chose to go to Camp or their ranch, it

shouldn't matter, period. Family should be off limits. They paid their way

for everything else.

Mandatory drug testing. Is it REALLY worth it? Think about the money spent

to pay for the tests and to hire people (OH NO, more government workers) to

administer and process this testing and follow up on the whole thing. Talk

about bureaucracy!! Sure, the government says they are only looking for

drugs, but imagine what else they can glean from one's urine? Can we be

absolutely sure they are only testing for drugs? And if the food stamp

dollars get parents that are using drugs, food for their children rather

than starving, then I'm okay with that....

>

> Absolutely,I am with you. I don't think all poor ppl abuse the system, but

> I work for a city hospital and I see a lot of it too, a lot of " I am

> entitled " instead of " thank you " . so there are all kinds and I am all for

> supporting the poor, and I agree - abuse is everywhere to this extant or the

> other, but we should strive to do everything possible to eliminate it to

> minimum. I would love to hear more details, and yes, I would love to hear it

> is all fiction, but I believe this is also too good to be true. It does not

> stop me from continuing giving to charities, bc I know the $$$ is mostly

> used for good, but would like to know everything is done to prevent the bad.

>

> Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

> http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

>

> " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments

> that take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget the truth,

> they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

>

>

>

>

> To: rd-usa

> From: jenniferschmerge@...

> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:49:34 -0800

> Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

> vacation/exotic locations

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I am just tired of reading so many threads that are so negative about

> the poor. Fraud and taxes are always going to be apart of life. I live in

> one of the most expensive and wasteful states in the nation, so I am no

> stranger to paying very high taxes, and not seeing a whole lot become of it.

> This has been going on here for many decades, no matter what party is in

> power in our state capitol and in Washington.

>

> I have stopped being so angry and just try to help when I can. NPR gave the

> best description of Californians.. " We want everything but we don't want to

> pay for it " .

>

> I live in a very financially mixed city. Very poor to very rich. I see

> poor people everyday where I shop, schools, etc., and it is really hard for

> me to imagine them buying an airline ticket and skipping off to Hawaii after

> digging in the discount bins at Ross and Goodwill,going through my trash for

> recyclables on trash day, and buying food with foodstamps. It just doesn't

> do it for me. There has got to be more to the story.

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> > > Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing

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> > money in vacation/exotic locations

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> > > To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

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> > > Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 3:22 PM

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> > > either way its a fraud, and should be investigated and

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> > > assumed welfare money being hacked right away. There

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> > > be something to it and if so - there should be

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> > > something done for better protection of these cards

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> > > protect against hacking/identity theft. and what if

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> > > found out that the welfare cards where sold for cash

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> > > that's how it was " hacked " ? All possible, maybe yes,

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> > > not, but we can't just dismiss it!

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> > > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food

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> > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

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> > > " Life is not measured by the number of breath you

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> > > by the moments that take your breath away. " -

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> > Carlin

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> > > " People don't forget the truth, they just become

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> > > lying " (Revolutionary Road)

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> > > To: rd-usa

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> > > From: jackiechase66@...

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> > > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:49:49 -0800

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> > > Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing

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> > > It wasn't that long ago

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> > that my debit

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> > > card was used to bet on a horse or a

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> > > football team in jolly old England. Living in Alaska

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> > > for interesting

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> > > research on where this debit came from. If it can be

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> > > it will be hacked. It

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> > > may not be the recipients that are gaining from this

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> > > someone else. Welfare

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> > > abuse has been around as long as welfare. Will we be

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> > > to stop it, most

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> > > likely not, just plug the new loop holes at they

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> > > Jackie Chase RD

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> > > Dillingham AK

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