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wow... I heard Gibbs is living the position.... ;)This is the beauty of the

USA, we could argue about everything we want, w/o taking it personally (I know I

didn't) and when you are in the WH, you should expect criticism. It comes with

the territory. I am sure it was much more liked to punch-bag GWB.All I am trying

to say, when you are in the WH you should be an example for all of us, not

taking expensive vacation, they could have waited for the father Obama to get

out of office (4 or 8 years) to take that vocation, meanwhile they could have

taken a more humble vacation within the US, children education....come on. No

need to be so flashy in time of bad economy. I can't see why it is so hard to

understand! I am NOT against them having a vacation. I am against their bad

taste of choice at that specific time in our economical hx! just a bit of

sensitivity on behalf of our elected officials AND THEIR FAMILIES!

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

" Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments that

take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget the truth, they just

become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

To: rd-usa

From: jenzingaro@...

Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:58:23 -0500

Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in vacation/exotic

locations

I can't believe we are having ANOTHER discussion about this. We all know

where everyone stands by now on social/political issues.

Let's remember that smoking and drinking and drugs are all addictions....

and they are very hard to beat. Sure, people should not have started in the

first place, but I'm guessing a lot of time life is stressful and perhaps

they turn to something like that. We can't even agree to provide the poor

food and healthcare, let alone rehab/mental health services.

Also, the first lady and her children didn't run for political office.

There is no justification to begrudge them their vacation trips, no matter

where they are going. They would have had travel and security paid by us

irregardless and rightfully so. I'm sure a trip to Spain is a wonderful

educational opportunity for her children to see how other people live. Just

because other presidents chose to go to Camp or their ranch, it

shouldn't matter, period. Family should be off limits. They paid their way

for everything else.

Mandatory drug testing. Is it REALLY worth it? Think about the money spent

to pay for the tests and to hire people (OH NO, more government workers) to

administer and process this testing and follow up on the whole thing. Talk

about bureaucracy!! Sure, the government says they are only looking for

drugs, but imagine what else they can glean from one's urine? Can we be

absolutely sure they are only testing for drugs? And if the food stamp

dollars get parents that are using drugs, food for their children rather

than starving, then I'm okay with that....

>

> Absolutely,I am with you. I don't think all poor ppl abuse the system, but

> I work for a city hospital and I see a lot of it too, a lot of " I am

> entitled " instead of " thank you " . so there are all kinds and I am all for

> supporting the poor, and I agree - abuse is everywhere to this extant or the

> other, but we should strive to do everything possible to eliminate it to

> minimum. I would love to hear more details, and yes, I would love to hear it

> is all fiction, but I believe this is also too good to be true. It does not

> stop me from continuing giving to charities, bc I know the $$$ is mostly

> used for good, but would like to know everything is done to prevent the bad.

>

> Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

> http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

>

> " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments

> that take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget the truth,

> they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

>

>

>

>

> To: rd-usa

> From: jenniferschmerge@...

> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:49:34 -0800

> Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

> vacation/exotic locations

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> I am just tired of reading so many threads that are so negative about

> the poor. Fraud and taxes are always going to be apart of life. I live in

> one of the most expensive and wasteful states in the nation, so I am no

> stranger to paying very high taxes, and not seeing a whole lot become of it.

> This has been going on here for many decades, no matter what party is in

> power in our state capitol and in Washington.

>

> I have stopped being so angry and just try to help when I can. NPR gave the

> best description of Californians.. " We want everything but we don't want to

> pay for it " .

>

> I live in a very financially mixed city. Very poor to very rich. I see

> poor people everyday where I shop, schools, etc., and it is really hard for

> me to imagine them buying an airline ticket and skipping off to Hawaii after

> digging in the discount bins at Ross and Goodwill,going through my trash for

> recyclables on trash day, and buying food with foodstamps. It just doesn't

> do it for me. There has got to be more to the story.

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> > > To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

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> > > Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 3:22 PM

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> > > either way its a fraud, and should be investigated and

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> > > assumed welfare money being hacked right away. There

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> > might

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> > > be something to it and if so - there should be

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> > > something done for better protection of these cards

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> > to

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> > > protect against hacking/identity theft. and what if

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> > you

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> > > found out that the welfare cards where sold for cash

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> > and

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> > > that's how it was " hacked " ? All possible, maybe yes,

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> > maybe

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> > > not, but we can't just dismiss it!

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> > >

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> >

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> > > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food

>

> > police.

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> > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

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> >

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> > > " Life is not measured by the number of breath you

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> > take, but

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> >

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> > > by the moments that take your breath away. " -

>

> > Carlin

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> >

>

> > > " People don't forget the truth, they just become

>

> > better in

>

> >

>

> > > lying " (Revolutionary Road)

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> > > To: rd-usa

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> > > From: jackiechase66@...

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> > > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:49:49 -0800

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> > > card was used to bet on a horse or a

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> > >

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> > > football team in jolly old England. Living in Alaska

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> > made

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> > > for interesting

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> > > research on where this debit came from. If it can be

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> > > it will be hacked. It

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> > > may not be the recipients that are gaining from this

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> > > someone else. Welfare

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> > > abuse has been around as long as welfare. Will we be

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> > > likely not, just plug the new loop holes at they

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wow... I heard Gibbs is living the position.... ;)This is the beauty of the

USA, we could argue about everything we want, w/o taking it personally (I know I

didn't) and when you are in the WH, you should expect criticism. It comes with

the territory. I am sure it was much more liked to punch-bag GWB.All I am trying

to say, when you are in the WH you should be an example for all of us, not

taking expensive vacation, they could have waited for the father Obama to get

out of office (4 or 8 years) to take that vocation, meanwhile they could have

taken a more humble vacation within the US, children education....come on. No

need to be so flashy in time of bad economy. I can't see why it is so hard to

understand! I am NOT against them having a vacation. I am against their bad

taste of choice at that specific time in our economical hx! just a bit of

sensitivity on behalf of our elected officials AND THEIR FAMILIES!

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

" Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments that

take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget the truth, they just

become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

To: rd-usa

From: jenzingaro@...

Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:58:23 -0500

Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in vacation/exotic

locations

I can't believe we are having ANOTHER discussion about this. We all know

where everyone stands by now on social/political issues.

Let's remember that smoking and drinking and drugs are all addictions....

and they are very hard to beat. Sure, people should not have started in the

first place, but I'm guessing a lot of time life is stressful and perhaps

they turn to something like that. We can't even agree to provide the poor

food and healthcare, let alone rehab/mental health services.

Also, the first lady and her children didn't run for political office.

There is no justification to begrudge them their vacation trips, no matter

where they are going. They would have had travel and security paid by us

irregardless and rightfully so. I'm sure a trip to Spain is a wonderful

educational opportunity for her children to see how other people live. Just

because other presidents chose to go to Camp or their ranch, it

shouldn't matter, period. Family should be off limits. They paid their way

for everything else.

Mandatory drug testing. Is it REALLY worth it? Think about the money spent

to pay for the tests and to hire people (OH NO, more government workers) to

administer and process this testing and follow up on the whole thing. Talk

about bureaucracy!! Sure, the government says they are only looking for

drugs, but imagine what else they can glean from one's urine? Can we be

absolutely sure they are only testing for drugs? And if the food stamp

dollars get parents that are using drugs, food for their children rather

than starving, then I'm okay with that....

>

> Absolutely,I am with you. I don't think all poor ppl abuse the system, but

> I work for a city hospital and I see a lot of it too, a lot of " I am

> entitled " instead of " thank you " . so there are all kinds and I am all for

> supporting the poor, and I agree - abuse is everywhere to this extant or the

> other, but we should strive to do everything possible to eliminate it to

> minimum. I would love to hear more details, and yes, I would love to hear it

> is all fiction, but I believe this is also too good to be true. It does not

> stop me from continuing giving to charities, bc I know the $$$ is mostly

> used for good, but would like to know everything is done to prevent the bad.

>

> Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

> http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

>

> " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments

> that take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget the truth,

> they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

>

>

>

>

> To: rd-usa

> From: jenniferschmerge@...

> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:49:34 -0800

> Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

> vacation/exotic locations

>

>

>

>

>

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>

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>

> I am just tired of reading so many threads that are so negative about

> the poor. Fraud and taxes are always going to be apart of life. I live in

> one of the most expensive and wasteful states in the nation, so I am no

> stranger to paying very high taxes, and not seeing a whole lot become of it.

> This has been going on here for many decades, no matter what party is in

> power in our state capitol and in Washington.

>

> I have stopped being so angry and just try to help when I can. NPR gave the

> best description of Californians.. " We want everything but we don't want to

> pay for it " .

>

> I live in a very financially mixed city. Very poor to very rich. I see

> poor people everyday where I shop, schools, etc., and it is really hard for

> me to imagine them buying an airline ticket and skipping off to Hawaii after

> digging in the discount bins at Ross and Goodwill,going through my trash for

> recyclables on trash day, and buying food with foodstamps. It just doesn't

> do it for me. There has got to be more to the story.

>

>

>

>

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing

>

> > money in vacation/exotic locations

>

> >

>

> > > To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

>

> >

>

> > > Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 3:22 PM

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > either way its a fraud, and should be investigated and

>

> > not

>

> >

>

> > > assumed welfare money being hacked right away. There

>

> > might

>

> >

>

> > > be something to it and if so - there should be

>

> >

>

> > > something done for better protection of these cards

>

> > to

>

> >

>

> > > protect against hacking/identity theft. and what if

>

> > you

>

> >

>

> > > found out that the welfare cards where sold for cash

>

> > and

>

> >

>

> > > that's how it was " hacked " ? All possible, maybe yes,

>

> > maybe

>

> >

>

> > > not, but we can't just dismiss it!

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food

>

> > police.

>

> >

>

> > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > " Life is not measured by the number of breath you

>

> > take, but

>

> >

>

> > > by the moments that take your breath away. " -

>

> > Carlin

>

> >

>

> > > " People don't forget the truth, they just become

>

> > better in

>

> >

>

> > > lying " (Revolutionary Road)

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > To: rd-usa

>

> >

>

> > > From: jackiechase66@...

>

> >

>

> > > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:49:49 -0800

>

> >

>

> > > Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing

>

> > money

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> >

>

> > > in vacation/exotic locations

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> > >

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> >

>

> > > It wasn't that long ago

>

> > that my debit

>

> >

>

> > > card was used to bet on a horse or a

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > football team in jolly old England. Living in Alaska

>

> > made

>

> >

>

> > > for interesting

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > research on where this debit came from. If it can be

>

> > done

>

> >

>

> > > it will be hacked. It

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > may not be the recipients that are gaining from this

>

> > but

>

> >

>

> > > someone else. Welfare

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > abuse has been around as long as welfare. Will we be

>

> > able

>

> >

>

> > > to stop it, most

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > likely not, just plug the new loop holes at they

>

> > appear.

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > Jackie Chase RD

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

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> > > Dillingham AK

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> >

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> > >

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> >

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> > >

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wow... I heard Gibbs is living the position.... ;)This is the beauty of the

USA, we could argue about everything we want, w/o taking it personally (I know I

didn't) and when you are in the WH, you should expect criticism. It comes with

the territory. I am sure it was much more liked to punch-bag GWB.All I am trying

to say, when you are in the WH you should be an example for all of us, not

taking expensive vacation, they could have waited for the father Obama to get

out of office (4 or 8 years) to take that vocation, meanwhile they could have

taken a more humble vacation within the US, children education....come on. No

need to be so flashy in time of bad economy. I can't see why it is so hard to

understand! I am NOT against them having a vacation. I am against their bad

taste of choice at that specific time in our economical hx! just a bit of

sensitivity on behalf of our elected officials AND THEIR FAMILIES!

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

" Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments that

take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget the truth, they just

become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

To: rd-usa

From: jenzingaro@...

Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:58:23 -0500

Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in vacation/exotic

locations

I can't believe we are having ANOTHER discussion about this. We all know

where everyone stands by now on social/political issues.

Let's remember that smoking and drinking and drugs are all addictions....

and they are very hard to beat. Sure, people should not have started in the

first place, but I'm guessing a lot of time life is stressful and perhaps

they turn to something like that. We can't even agree to provide the poor

food and healthcare, let alone rehab/mental health services.

Also, the first lady and her children didn't run for political office.

There is no justification to begrudge them their vacation trips, no matter

where they are going. They would have had travel and security paid by us

irregardless and rightfully so. I'm sure a trip to Spain is a wonderful

educational opportunity for her children to see how other people live. Just

because other presidents chose to go to Camp or their ranch, it

shouldn't matter, period. Family should be off limits. They paid their way

for everything else.

Mandatory drug testing. Is it REALLY worth it? Think about the money spent

to pay for the tests and to hire people (OH NO, more government workers) to

administer and process this testing and follow up on the whole thing. Talk

about bureaucracy!! Sure, the government says they are only looking for

drugs, but imagine what else they can glean from one's urine? Can we be

absolutely sure they are only testing for drugs? And if the food stamp

dollars get parents that are using drugs, food for their children rather

than starving, then I'm okay with that....

>

> Absolutely,I am with you. I don't think all poor ppl abuse the system, but

> I work for a city hospital and I see a lot of it too, a lot of " I am

> entitled " instead of " thank you " . so there are all kinds and I am all for

> supporting the poor, and I agree - abuse is everywhere to this extant or the

> other, but we should strive to do everything possible to eliminate it to

> minimum. I would love to hear more details, and yes, I would love to hear it

> is all fiction, but I believe this is also too good to be true. It does not

> stop me from continuing giving to charities, bc I know the $$$ is mostly

> used for good, but would like to know everything is done to prevent the bad.

>

> Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

> http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

>

> " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments

> that take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget the truth,

> they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

>

>

>

>

> To: rd-usa

> From: jenniferschmerge@...

> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:49:34 -0800

> Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

> vacation/exotic locations

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I am just tired of reading so many threads that are so negative about

> the poor. Fraud and taxes are always going to be apart of life. I live in

> one of the most expensive and wasteful states in the nation, so I am no

> stranger to paying very high taxes, and not seeing a whole lot become of it.

> This has been going on here for many decades, no matter what party is in

> power in our state capitol and in Washington.

>

> I have stopped being so angry and just try to help when I can. NPR gave the

> best description of Californians.. " We want everything but we don't want to

> pay for it " .

>

> I live in a very financially mixed city. Very poor to very rich. I see

> poor people everyday where I shop, schools, etc., and it is really hard for

> me to imagine them buying an airline ticket and skipping off to Hawaii after

> digging in the discount bins at Ross and Goodwill,going through my trash for

> recyclables on trash day, and buying food with foodstamps. It just doesn't

> do it for me. There has got to be more to the story.

>

>

>

>

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> >

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> > >

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> >

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> > > Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing

>

> > money in vacation/exotic locations

>

> >

>

> > > To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

>

> >

>

> > > Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 3:22 PM

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > either way its a fraud, and should be investigated and

>

> > not

>

> >

>

> > > assumed welfare money being hacked right away. There

>

> > might

>

> >

>

> > > be something to it and if so - there should be

>

> >

>

> > > something done for better protection of these cards

>

> > to

>

> >

>

> > > protect against hacking/identity theft. and what if

>

> > you

>

> >

>

> > > found out that the welfare cards where sold for cash

>

> > and

>

> >

>

> > > that's how it was " hacked " ? All possible, maybe yes,

>

> > maybe

>

> >

>

> > > not, but we can't just dismiss it!

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food

>

> > police.

>

> >

>

> > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > " Life is not measured by the number of breath you

>

> > take, but

>

> >

>

> > > by the moments that take your breath away. " -

>

> > Carlin

>

> >

>

> > > " People don't forget the truth, they just become

>

> > better in

>

> >

>

> > > lying " (Revolutionary Road)

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> >

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> >

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> > > To: rd-usa

>

> >

>

> > > From: jackiechase66@...

>

> >

>

> > > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:49:49 -0800

>

> >

>

> > > Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing

>

> > money

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> > > in vacation/exotic locations

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> > >

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> >

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> > > It wasn't that long ago

>

> > that my debit

>

> >

>

> > > card was used to bet on a horse or a

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > football team in jolly old England. Living in Alaska

>

> > made

>

> >

>

> > > for interesting

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > research on where this debit came from. If it can be

>

> > done

>

> >

>

> > > it will be hacked. It

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > may not be the recipients that are gaining from this

>

> > but

>

> >

>

> > > someone else. Welfare

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > abuse has been around as long as welfare. Will we be

>

> > able

>

> >

>

> > > to stop it, most

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > likely not, just plug the new loop holes at they

>

> > appear.

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

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> > >

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> >

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> > >

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> >

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> > > Jackie Chase RD

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> > >

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> > > Dillingham AK

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In the public health business I got used to not wasting time talking about

supplements or specialty items much. It really got through to me talking about

vegetables one day when the woman excitedly told me that now that they qualified

for Indian commodities she could serve two cans of vegetables at dinner ( 6

children). I got better about discussing carrots and cheaper familiar things

because the reality now is a choice between a loaf of bread or bag of apples not

both. not treats - the poor - for the most part - are hungry now. It was a slide

downward over the last couple of years but the food banks run out regularly now.

Many of the poor are quite proud.

Sure there are scammers but they aren't CEO's netting 2.7 billion.

" Cancer Prevention Coalition: The Politics of Lung Cancer. " Business Wire.

Business Wire. 2010. HighBeam Research. 13 Feb. 2011

<http://www.highbeam.com>

The budget of the National Cancer Institute, NCI, has escalated from $200,000 in

1971, to over $5 billion currently. However, while Dr. Varmus, the current

director of the NCI, has a distinguished track record in basic research on

cancer treatment, this is paralleled by his frank indifference to

well-documented scientific evidence on cancer prevention. Over two decades ago,

he revealingly claimed, " You can't do experiments to see what causes

cancer--it's not an accessible problem, and not the sort of thing scientists can

afford to do--everything you do can't be risky. " So much for the past and

present track record of cancer prevention in the NCI!

The frank indifference of Varmus to cancer prevention is further reinforced by

unrecognized personal conflicts of interest. In 1995, Varmus, then director of

the National Institutes of Health, struck the " reasonable pricing clause, "

protecting against exorbitant industry profiteering from the sale of drugs

developed with tax payer money. Varmus also gave senior NCI staff free license

to consult with the cancer drug industry, an unacceptable conflict of

interest.The 2008 edition of Charity Rating Guide & Watchdog Report listed

Varmus with a compensation package of about $2.7 million. This is the highest

compensation of directors in over 500 major non-profit organizations ever

monitored.â€

R Vajda, R.D.

www.gingerjens.com

________________________________

To: rd-usa

Sent: Tue, February 15, 2011 7:49:34 PM

Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in vacation/exotic

locations

I am just tired of reading so many threads that are so negative about the poor.

Fraud and taxes are always going to be apart of life. I live in one of the most

expensive and wasteful states in the nation, so I am no stranger to paying very

high taxes, and not seeing a whole lot become of it. This has been going on here

for many decades, no matter what party is in power in our state capitol and in

Washington.

I have stopped being so angry and just try to help when I can. NPR gave the best

description of Californians.. " We want everything but we don't want to pay for

it " .

I live in a very financially mixed city. Very poor to very rich. I see poor

people everyday where I shop, schools, etc., and it is really hard for me to

imagine them buying an airline ticket and skipping off to Hawaii after digging

in the discount bins at Ross and Goodwill,going through my trash for recyclables

on trash day, and buying food with foodstamps. It just doesn't do it for me.

There has got to be more to the story.

>

>

>

> >

>

> > Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing

> money in vacation/exotic locations

>

> > To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

>

> > Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 3:22 PM

>

> >

>

> > either way its a fraud, and should be investigated and

> not

>

> > assumed welfare money being hacked right away. There

> might

>

> > be something to it and if so - there should be

>

> > something done for better protection of these cards

> to

>

> > protect against hacking/identity theft. and what if

> you

>

> > found out that the welfare cards where sold for cash

> and

>

> > that's how it was " hacked " ? All possible, maybe yes,

> maybe

>

> > not, but we can't just dismiss it!

>

> >

>

> > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food

> police.

>

> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

>

> >

>

> > " Life is not measured by the number of breath you

> take, but

>

> > by the moments that take your breath away. " -

> Carlin

>

> > " People don't forget the truth, they just become

> better in

>

> > lying " (Revolutionary Road)

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > To: rd-usa

>

> > From: jackiechase66@...

>

> > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:49:49 -0800

>

> > Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing

> money

>

> > in vacation/exotic locations

>

> >

>

> >

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > It wasn't that long ago

> that my debit

>

> > card was used to bet on a horse or a

>

> >

>

> > football team in jolly old England. Living in Alaska

> made

>

> > for interesting

>

> >

>

> > research on where this debit came from. If it can be

> done

>

> > it will be hacked. It

>

> >

>

> > may not be the recipients that are gaining from this

> but

>

> > someone else. Welfare

>

> >

>

> > abuse has been around as long as welfare. Will we be

> able

>

> > to stop it, most

>

> >

>

> > likely not, just plug the new loop holes at they

> appear.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Jackie Chase RD

>

> >

>

> > Dillingham AK

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

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In the public health business I got used to not wasting time talking about

supplements or specialty items much. It really got through to me talking about

vegetables one day when the woman excitedly told me that now that they qualified

for Indian commodities she could serve two cans of vegetables at dinner ( 6

children). I got better about discussing carrots and cheaper familiar things

because the reality now is a choice between a loaf of bread or bag of apples not

both. not treats - the poor - for the most part - are hungry now. It was a slide

downward over the last couple of years but the food banks run out regularly now.

Many of the poor are quite proud.

Sure there are scammers but they aren't CEO's netting 2.7 billion.

" Cancer Prevention Coalition: The Politics of Lung Cancer. " Business Wire.

Business Wire. 2010. HighBeam Research. 13 Feb. 2011

<http://www.highbeam.com>

The budget of the National Cancer Institute, NCI, has escalated from $200,000 in

1971, to over $5 billion currently. However, while Dr. Varmus, the current

director of the NCI, has a distinguished track record in basic research on

cancer treatment, this is paralleled by his frank indifference to

well-documented scientific evidence on cancer prevention. Over two decades ago,

he revealingly claimed, " You can't do experiments to see what causes

cancer--it's not an accessible problem, and not the sort of thing scientists can

afford to do--everything you do can't be risky. " So much for the past and

present track record of cancer prevention in the NCI!

The frank indifference of Varmus to cancer prevention is further reinforced by

unrecognized personal conflicts of interest. In 1995, Varmus, then director of

the National Institutes of Health, struck the " reasonable pricing clause, "

protecting against exorbitant industry profiteering from the sale of drugs

developed with tax payer money. Varmus also gave senior NCI staff free license

to consult with the cancer drug industry, an unacceptable conflict of

interest.The 2008 edition of Charity Rating Guide & Watchdog Report listed

Varmus with a compensation package of about $2.7 million. This is the highest

compensation of directors in over 500 major non-profit organizations ever

monitored.â€

R Vajda, R.D.

www.gingerjens.com

________________________________

To: rd-usa

Sent: Tue, February 15, 2011 7:49:34 PM

Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in vacation/exotic

locations

I am just tired of reading so many threads that are so negative about the poor.

Fraud and taxes are always going to be apart of life. I live in one of the most

expensive and wasteful states in the nation, so I am no stranger to paying very

high taxes, and not seeing a whole lot become of it. This has been going on here

for many decades, no matter what party is in power in our state capitol and in

Washington.

I have stopped being so angry and just try to help when I can. NPR gave the best

description of Californians.. " We want everything but we don't want to pay for

it " .

I live in a very financially mixed city. Very poor to very rich. I see poor

people everyday where I shop, schools, etc., and it is really hard for me to

imagine them buying an airline ticket and skipping off to Hawaii after digging

in the discount bins at Ross and Goodwill,going through my trash for recyclables

on trash day, and buying food with foodstamps. It just doesn't do it for me.

There has got to be more to the story.

>

>

>

> >

>

> > Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing

> money in vacation/exotic locations

>

> > To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

>

> > Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 3:22 PM

>

> >

>

> > either way its a fraud, and should be investigated and

> not

>

> > assumed welfare money being hacked right away. There

> might

>

> > be something to it and if so - there should be

>

> > something done for better protection of these cards

> to

>

> > protect against hacking/identity theft. and what if

> you

>

> > found out that the welfare cards where sold for cash

> and

>

> > that's how it was " hacked " ? All possible, maybe yes,

> maybe

>

> > not, but we can't just dismiss it!

>

> >

>

> > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food

> police.

>

> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

>

> >

>

> > " Life is not measured by the number of breath you

> take, but

>

> > by the moments that take your breath away. " -

> Carlin

>

> > " People don't forget the truth, they just become

> better in

>

> > lying " (Revolutionary Road)

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > To: rd-usa

>

> > From: jackiechase66@...

>

> > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:49:49 -0800

>

> > Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing

> money

>

> > in vacation/exotic locations

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

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> >

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> >

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> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > It wasn't that long ago

> that my debit

>

> > card was used to bet on a horse or a

>

> >

>

> > football team in jolly old England. Living in Alaska

> made

>

> > for interesting

>

> >

>

> > research on where this debit came from. If it can be

> done

>

> > it will be hacked. It

>

> >

>

> > may not be the recipients that are gaining from this

> but

>

> > someone else. Welfare

>

> >

>

> > abuse has been around as long as welfare. Will we be

> able

>

> > to stop it, most

>

> >

>

> > likely not, just plug the new loop holes at they

> appear.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Jackie Chase RD

>

> >

>

> > Dillingham AK

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

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In the public health business I got used to not wasting time talking about

supplements or specialty items much. It really got through to me talking about

vegetables one day when the woman excitedly told me that now that they qualified

for Indian commodities she could serve two cans of vegetables at dinner ( 6

children). I got better about discussing carrots and cheaper familiar things

because the reality now is a choice between a loaf of bread or bag of apples not

both. not treats - the poor - for the most part - are hungry now. It was a slide

downward over the last couple of years but the food banks run out regularly now.

Many of the poor are quite proud.

Sure there are scammers but they aren't CEO's netting 2.7 billion.

" Cancer Prevention Coalition: The Politics of Lung Cancer. " Business Wire.

Business Wire. 2010. HighBeam Research. 13 Feb. 2011

<http://www.highbeam.com>

The budget of the National Cancer Institute, NCI, has escalated from $200,000 in

1971, to over $5 billion currently. However, while Dr. Varmus, the current

director of the NCI, has a distinguished track record in basic research on

cancer treatment, this is paralleled by his frank indifference to

well-documented scientific evidence on cancer prevention. Over two decades ago,

he revealingly claimed, " You can't do experiments to see what causes

cancer--it's not an accessible problem, and not the sort of thing scientists can

afford to do--everything you do can't be risky. " So much for the past and

present track record of cancer prevention in the NCI!

The frank indifference of Varmus to cancer prevention is further reinforced by

unrecognized personal conflicts of interest. In 1995, Varmus, then director of

the National Institutes of Health, struck the " reasonable pricing clause, "

protecting against exorbitant industry profiteering from the sale of drugs

developed with tax payer money. Varmus also gave senior NCI staff free license

to consult with the cancer drug industry, an unacceptable conflict of

interest.The 2008 edition of Charity Rating Guide & Watchdog Report listed

Varmus with a compensation package of about $2.7 million. This is the highest

compensation of directors in over 500 major non-profit organizations ever

monitored.â€

R Vajda, R.D.

www.gingerjens.com

________________________________

To: rd-usa

Sent: Tue, February 15, 2011 7:49:34 PM

Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in vacation/exotic

locations

I am just tired of reading so many threads that are so negative about the poor.

Fraud and taxes are always going to be apart of life. I live in one of the most

expensive and wasteful states in the nation, so I am no stranger to paying very

high taxes, and not seeing a whole lot become of it. This has been going on here

for many decades, no matter what party is in power in our state capitol and in

Washington.

I have stopped being so angry and just try to help when I can. NPR gave the best

description of Californians.. " We want everything but we don't want to pay for

it " .

I live in a very financially mixed city. Very poor to very rich. I see poor

people everyday where I shop, schools, etc., and it is really hard for me to

imagine them buying an airline ticket and skipping off to Hawaii after digging

in the discount bins at Ross and Goodwill,going through my trash for recyclables

on trash day, and buying food with foodstamps. It just doesn't do it for me.

There has got to be more to the story.

>

>

>

> >

>

> > Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing

> money in vacation/exotic locations

>

> > To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

>

> > Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 3:22 PM

>

> >

>

> > either way its a fraud, and should be investigated and

> not

>

> > assumed welfare money being hacked right away. There

> might

>

> > be something to it and if so - there should be

>

> > something done for better protection of these cards

> to

>

> > protect against hacking/identity theft. and what if

> you

>

> > found out that the welfare cards where sold for cash

> and

>

> > that's how it was " hacked " ? All possible, maybe yes,

> maybe

>

> > not, but we can't just dismiss it!

>

> >

>

> > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food

> police.

>

> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

>

> >

>

> > " Life is not measured by the number of breath you

> take, but

>

> > by the moments that take your breath away. " -

> Carlin

>

> > " People don't forget the truth, they just become

> better in

>

> > lying " (Revolutionary Road)

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > To: rd-usa

>

> > From: jackiechase66@...

>

> > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:49:49 -0800

>

> > Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing

> money

>

> > in vacation/exotic locations

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > It wasn't that long ago

> that my debit

>

> > card was used to bet on a horse or a

>

> >

>

> > football team in jolly old England. Living in Alaska

> made

>

> > for interesting

>

> >

>

> > research on where this debit came from. If it can be

> done

>

> > it will be hacked. It

>

> >

>

> > may not be the recipients that are gaining from this

> but

>

> > someone else. Welfare

>

> >

>

> > abuse has been around as long as welfare. Will we be

> able

>

> > to stop it, most

>

> >

>

> > likely not, just plug the new loop holes at they

> appear.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Jackie Chase RD

>

> >

>

> > Dillingham AK

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

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Wow, I'm not surprised... of everything I had to say, you'd focus on this

and try to compare me to Gibbs (I assume you meant leaving the position, not

living).

Sorry, I think freedom applies to everyone, including the first family. If

they are paying for the vacation, they can go wherever they want, whenever.

I remember hearing people complain about Bush also, and I think that was

wrong too. People are entitled to do what they want on their vacation. I

wouldn't want anyone criticizing me.

>

> wow... I heard Gibbs is living the position.... ;)This is the beauty of

> the USA, we could argue about everything we want, w/o taking it personally

> (I know I didn't) and when you are in the WH, you should expect criticism.

> It comes with the territory. I am sure it was much more liked to punch-bag

> GWB.All I am trying to say, when you are in the WH you should be an example

> for all of us, not taking expensive vacation, they could have waited for the

> father Obama to get out of office (4 or 8 years) to take that vocation,

> meanwhile they could have taken a more humble vacation within the US,

> children education....come on. No need to be so flashy in time of bad

> economy. I can't see why it is so hard to understand! I am NOT against them

> having a vacation. I am against their bad taste of choice at that specific

> time in our economical hx! just a bit of sensitivity on behalf of our

> elected officials AND THEIR FAMILIES!

>

>

> Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

> http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

>

> " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments

> that take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget the truth,

> they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

>

>

>

>

> To: rd-usa

> From: jenzingaro@...

> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:58:23 -0500

> Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

> vacation/exotic locations

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>

>

> I can't believe we are having ANOTHER discussion about this. We all

> know

>

> where everyone stands by now on social/political issues.

>

>

>

> Let's remember that smoking and drinking and drugs are all addictions....

>

> and they are very hard to beat. Sure, people should not have started in

> the

>

> first place, but I'm guessing a lot of time life is stressful and perhaps

>

> they turn to something like that. We can't even agree to provide the poor

>

> food and healthcare, let alone rehab/mental health services.

>

>

>

> Also, the first lady and her children didn't run for political office.

>

> There is no justification to begrudge them their vacation trips, no matter

>

> where they are going. They would have had travel and security paid by us

>

> irregardless and rightfully so. I'm sure a trip to Spain is a wonderful

>

> educational opportunity for her children to see how other people live.

> Just

>

> because other presidents chose to go to Camp or their ranch, it

>

> shouldn't matter, period. Family should be off limits. They paid their

> way

>

> for everything else.

>

>

>

> Mandatory drug testing. Is it REALLY worth it? Think about the money spent

>

> to pay for the tests and to hire people (OH NO, more government workers) to

>

> administer and process this testing and follow up on the whole thing. Talk

>

> about bureaucracy!! Sure, the government says they are only looking for

>

> drugs, but imagine what else they can glean from one's urine? Can we be

>

> absolutely sure they are only testing for drugs? And if the food stamp

>

> dollars get parents that are using drugs, food for their children rather

>

> than starving, then I'm okay with that....

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> >

>

> > Absolutely,I am with you. I don't think all poor ppl abuse the system,

> but

>

> > I work for a city hospital and I see a lot of it too, a lot of " I am

>

> > entitled " instead of " thank you " . so there are all kinds and I am all for

>

> > supporting the poor, and I agree - abuse is everywhere to this extant or

> the

>

> > other, but we should strive to do everything possible to eliminate it to

>

> > minimum. I would love to hear more details, and yes, I would love to hear

> it

>

> > is all fiction, but I believe this is also too good to be true. It does

> not

>

> > stop me from continuing giving to charities, bc I know the $$$ is mostly

>

> > used for good, but would like to know everything is done to prevent the

> bad.

>

> >

>

> > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

>

> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

>

> >

>

> > " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the

> moments

>

> > that take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget the

> truth,

>

> > they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > To: rd-usa

>

> > From: jenniferschmerge@...

>

> > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:49:34 -0800

>

> > Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

>

> > vacation/exotic locations

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> > I am just tired of reading so many threads that are so negative

> about

>

> > the poor. Fraud and taxes are always going to be apart of life. I live

> in

>

> > one of the most expensive and wasteful states in the nation, so I am no

>

> > stranger to paying very high taxes, and not seeing a whole lot become of

> it.

>

> > This has been going on here for many decades, no matter what party is in

>

> > power in our state capitol and in Washington.

>

> >

>

> > I have stopped being so angry and just try to help when I can. NPR gave

> the

>

> > best description of Californians.. " We want everything but we don't want

> to

>

> > pay for it " .

>

> >

>

> > I live in a very financially mixed city. Very poor to very rich. I see

>

> > poor people everyday where I shop, schools, etc., and it is really hard

> for

>

> > me to imagine them buying an airline ticket and skipping off to Hawaii

> after

>

> > digging in the discount bins at Ross and Goodwill,going through my trash

> for

>

> > recyclables on trash day, and buying food with foodstamps. It just

> doesn't

>

> > do it for me. There has got to be more to the story.

>

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> > > > Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing

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> > > money in vacation/exotic locations

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> >

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> > > > To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

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> > > > Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 3:22 PM

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> > > >

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> > >

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> > > > either way its a fraud, and should be investigated and

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> > > not

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> > >

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> >

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> > > > assumed welfare money being hacked right away. There

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> >

>

> > > might

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> >

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> > >

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> >

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> > > > be something to it and if so - there should be

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> >

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> > >

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> >

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> > > > something done for better protection of these cards

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> >

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> > > to

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> >

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> > >

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> > > > protect against hacking/identity theft. and what if

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> >

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> > > you

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> >

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> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > found out that the welfare cards where sold for cash

>

> >

>

> > > and

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> >

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> > >

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> >

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> > > > that's how it was " hacked " ? All possible, maybe yes,

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> >

>

> > > maybe

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> >

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> > >

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> >

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> > > > not, but we can't just dismiss it!

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> > >

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> > > >

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> > > > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food

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> > > police.

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> > >

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> > > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

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> > > > " Life is not measured by the number of breath you

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> >

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> > > take, but

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> >

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> > >

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> > > > by the moments that take your breath away. " -

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> >

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> > > Carlin

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> > > > " People don't forget the truth, they just become

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> > > better in

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> >

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> > >

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> > > > lying " (Revolutionary Road)

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> > > > To: rd-usa

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> > > > From: jackiechase66@...

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> >

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> > >

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> >

>

> > > > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:49:49 -0800

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> >

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> > >

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> > > > Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing

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> > > money

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> > > > may not be the recipients that are gaining from this

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> > > > abuse has been around as long as welfare. Will we be

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Wow, I'm not surprised... of everything I had to say, you'd focus on this

and try to compare me to Gibbs (I assume you meant leaving the position, not

living).

Sorry, I think freedom applies to everyone, including the first family. If

they are paying for the vacation, they can go wherever they want, whenever.

I remember hearing people complain about Bush also, and I think that was

wrong too. People are entitled to do what they want on their vacation. I

wouldn't want anyone criticizing me.

>

> wow... I heard Gibbs is living the position.... ;)This is the beauty of

> the USA, we could argue about everything we want, w/o taking it personally

> (I know I didn't) and when you are in the WH, you should expect criticism.

> It comes with the territory. I am sure it was much more liked to punch-bag

> GWB.All I am trying to say, when you are in the WH you should be an example

> for all of us, not taking expensive vacation, they could have waited for the

> father Obama to get out of office (4 or 8 years) to take that vocation,

> meanwhile they could have taken a more humble vacation within the US,

> children education....come on. No need to be so flashy in time of bad

> economy. I can't see why it is so hard to understand! I am NOT against them

> having a vacation. I am against their bad taste of choice at that specific

> time in our economical hx! just a bit of sensitivity on behalf of our

> elected officials AND THEIR FAMILIES!

>

>

> Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

> http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

>

> " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments

> that take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget the truth,

> they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

>

>

>

>

> To: rd-usa

> From: jenzingaro@...

> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:58:23 -0500

> Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

> vacation/exotic locations

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I can't believe we are having ANOTHER discussion about this. We all

> know

>

> where everyone stands by now on social/political issues.

>

>

>

> Let's remember that smoking and drinking and drugs are all addictions....

>

> and they are very hard to beat. Sure, people should not have started in

> the

>

> first place, but I'm guessing a lot of time life is stressful and perhaps

>

> they turn to something like that. We can't even agree to provide the poor

>

> food and healthcare, let alone rehab/mental health services.

>

>

>

> Also, the first lady and her children didn't run for political office.

>

> There is no justification to begrudge them their vacation trips, no matter

>

> where they are going. They would have had travel and security paid by us

>

> irregardless and rightfully so. I'm sure a trip to Spain is a wonderful

>

> educational opportunity for her children to see how other people live.

> Just

>

> because other presidents chose to go to Camp or their ranch, it

>

> shouldn't matter, period. Family should be off limits. They paid their

> way

>

> for everything else.

>

>

>

> Mandatory drug testing. Is it REALLY worth it? Think about the money spent

>

> to pay for the tests and to hire people (OH NO, more government workers) to

>

> administer and process this testing and follow up on the whole thing. Talk

>

> about bureaucracy!! Sure, the government says they are only looking for

>

> drugs, but imagine what else they can glean from one's urine? Can we be

>

> absolutely sure they are only testing for drugs? And if the food stamp

>

> dollars get parents that are using drugs, food for their children rather

>

> than starving, then I'm okay with that....

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> >

>

> > Absolutely,I am with you. I don't think all poor ppl abuse the system,

> but

>

> > I work for a city hospital and I see a lot of it too, a lot of " I am

>

> > entitled " instead of " thank you " . so there are all kinds and I am all for

>

> > supporting the poor, and I agree - abuse is everywhere to this extant or

> the

>

> > other, but we should strive to do everything possible to eliminate it to

>

> > minimum. I would love to hear more details, and yes, I would love to hear

> it

>

> > is all fiction, but I believe this is also too good to be true. It does

> not

>

> > stop me from continuing giving to charities, bc I know the $$$ is mostly

>

> > used for good, but would like to know everything is done to prevent the

> bad.

>

> >

>

> > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

>

> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

>

> >

>

> > " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the

> moments

>

> > that take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget the

> truth,

>

> > they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > To: rd-usa

>

> > From: jenniferschmerge@...

>

> > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:49:34 -0800

>

> > Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

>

> > vacation/exotic locations

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> > I am just tired of reading so many threads that are so negative

> about

>

> > the poor. Fraud and taxes are always going to be apart of life. I live

> in

>

> > one of the most expensive and wasteful states in the nation, so I am no

>

> > stranger to paying very high taxes, and not seeing a whole lot become of

> it.

>

> > This has been going on here for many decades, no matter what party is in

>

> > power in our state capitol and in Washington.

>

> >

>

> > I have stopped being so angry and just try to help when I can. NPR gave

> the

>

> > best description of Californians.. " We want everything but we don't want

> to

>

> > pay for it " .

>

> >

>

> > I live in a very financially mixed city. Very poor to very rich. I see

>

> > poor people everyday where I shop, schools, etc., and it is really hard

> for

>

> > me to imagine them buying an airline ticket and skipping off to Hawaii

> after

>

> > digging in the discount bins at Ross and Goodwill,going through my trash

> for

>

> > recyclables on trash day, and buying food with foodstamps. It just

> doesn't

>

> > do it for me. There has got to be more to the story.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing

>

> >

>

> > > money in vacation/exotic locations

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 3:22 PM

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > either way its a fraud, and should be investigated and

>

> >

>

> > > not

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > assumed welfare money being hacked right away. There

>

> >

>

> > > might

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > be something to it and if so - there should be

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > something done for better protection of these cards

>

> >

>

> > > to

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > protect against hacking/identity theft. and what if

>

> >

>

> > > you

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > found out that the welfare cards where sold for cash

>

> >

>

> > > and

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > that's how it was " hacked " ? All possible, maybe yes,

>

> >

>

> > > maybe

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > not, but we can't just dismiss it!

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food

>

> >

>

> > > police.

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > " Life is not measured by the number of breath you

>

> >

>

> > > take, but

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > by the moments that take your breath away. " -

>

> >

>

> > > Carlin

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

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> > > > " People don't forget the truth, they just become

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Wow, I'm not surprised... of everything I had to say, you'd focus on this

and try to compare me to Gibbs (I assume you meant leaving the position, not

living).

Sorry, I think freedom applies to everyone, including the first family. If

they are paying for the vacation, they can go wherever they want, whenever.

I remember hearing people complain about Bush also, and I think that was

wrong too. People are entitled to do what they want on their vacation. I

wouldn't want anyone criticizing me.

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> wow... I heard Gibbs is living the position.... ;)This is the beauty of

> the USA, we could argue about everything we want, w/o taking it personally

> (I know I didn't) and when you are in the WH, you should expect criticism.

> It comes with the territory. I am sure it was much more liked to punch-bag

> GWB.All I am trying to say, when you are in the WH you should be an example

> for all of us, not taking expensive vacation, they could have waited for the

> father Obama to get out of office (4 or 8 years) to take that vocation,

> meanwhile they could have taken a more humble vacation within the US,

> children education....come on. No need to be so flashy in time of bad

> economy. I can't see why it is so hard to understand! I am NOT against them

> having a vacation. I am against their bad taste of choice at that specific

> time in our economical hx! just a bit of sensitivity on behalf of our

> elected officials AND THEIR FAMILIES!

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> Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

> http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

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> " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments

> that take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget the truth,

> they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

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> To: rd-usa

> From: jenzingaro@...

> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:58:23 -0500

> Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

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> and they are very hard to beat. Sure, people should not have started in

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Agree entirely, Jen.

Yes, Gibbs resigned. That's fairly typical of White House press

secretaries. It's a high pressure, high visibility job. Most don't

last that long. ly, I'm surprised he lasted so long and did well.

He was actually filling 1.5-2 positions for quite some time. As Jen

mentioned, I'm not sure what the comparison is. I wish Mr Gibbs well.

If Mrs Obama went to Spain with her children, while I would dearly

hope I'd get a postcard and/or a t-shirt, it is her choice. If she

goes while her husband is in the White House, how is that hurting you?

Is the American public so confused that we somehow think the First

Lady is setting policy or somehow doing damage to our survival by

taking her children to Spain? To be honest, I'm glad that she and her

children did such a good job as ambassadors for America. There have

been times that I've been overseas and seen Americans behaving badly.

Very badly.

I do recall the criticisms of both of the Bush's. That's not unique to

anyone in the Presidency. No matter what you do, someone's going to be

unhappy. I'm sure the Obama family made a vacation decision that was

in part based on their ability to expose the children to a wide

variety of cultures, geography, and language. More power to them.

Hopefully they'll grow up to put that learning to use for their

country. If they choose to do that now or in 8 years, what is the

difference? When Chelsea Clinton got married, there was criticism of

the cost of her wedding. To be honest, I don't care who paid for it.

But it goes to show that there are some in this country who will find

fault no matter what the choice is and when it's made.

Can we get back to putting our heads together to figure out how to

make sure that EVERYONE in this country is able to go to bed without

feeling the fear, anger and shame associated with poverty and hunger?

Thanks

pam

Pam Charney

pcharney@...

> Wow, I'm not surprised... of everything I had to say, you'd focus on

> this

> and try to compare me to Gibbs (I assume you meant leaving the

> position, not

> living).

>

> Sorry, I think freedom applies to everyone, including the first

> family. If

> they are paying for the vacation, they can go wherever they want,

> whenever.

> I remember hearing people complain about Bush also, and I think that

> was

> wrong too. People are entitled to do what they want on their

> vacation. I

> wouldn't want anyone criticizing me.

>

>

>

> >

> > wow... I heard Gibbs is living the position.... ;)This is the

> beauty of

> > the USA, we could argue about everything we want, w/o taking it

> personally

> > (I know I didn't) and when you are in the WH, you should expect

> criticism.

> > It comes with the territory. I am sure it was much more liked to

> punch-bag

> > GWB.All I am trying to say, when you are in the WH you should be

> an example

> > for all of us, not taking expensive vacation, they could have

> waited for the

> > father Obama to get out of office (4 or 8 years) to take that

> vocation,

> > meanwhile they could have taken a more humble vacation within the

> US,

> > children education....come on. No need to be so flashy in time of

> bad

> > economy. I can't see why it is so hard to understand! I am NOT

> against them

> > having a vacation. I am against their bad taste of choice at that

> specific

> > time in our economical hx! just a bit of sensitivity on behalf of

> our

> > elected officials AND THEIR FAMILIES!

> >

> >

> > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

> >

> > " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the

> moments

> > that take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget

> the truth,

> > they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > To: rd-usa

> > From: jenzingaro@...

> > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:58:23 -0500

> > Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

> > vacation/exotic locations

> >

> >

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> >

> > I can't believe we are having ANOTHER discussion about this. We all

> > know

> >

> > where everyone stands by now on social/political issues.

> >

> >

> >

> > Let's remember that smoking and drinking and drugs are all

> addictions....

> >

> > and they are very hard to beat. Sure, people should not have

> started in

> > the

> >

> > first place, but I'm guessing a lot of time life is stressful and

> perhaps

> >

> > they turn to something like that. We can't even agree to provide

> the poor

> >

> > food and healthcare, let alone rehab/mental health services.

> >

> >

> >

> > Also, the first lady and her children didn't run for political

> office.

> >

> > There is no justification to begrudge them their vacation trips,

> no matter

> >

> > where they are going. They would have had travel and security paid

> by us

> >

> > irregardless and rightfully so. I'm sure a trip to Spain is a

> wonderful

> >

> > educational opportunity for her children to see how other people

> live.

> > Just

> >

> > because other presidents chose to go to Camp or their ranch,

> it

> >

> > shouldn't matter, period. Family should be off limits. They paid

> their

> > way

> >

> > for everything else.

> >

> >

> >

> > Mandatory drug testing. Is it REALLY worth it? Think about the

> money spent

> >

> > to pay for the tests and to hire people (OH NO, more government

> workers) to

> >

> > administer and process this testing and follow up on the whole

> thing. Talk

> >

> > about bureaucracy!! Sure, the government says they are only

> looking for

> >

> > drugs, but imagine what else they can glean from one's urine? Can

> we be

> >

> > absolutely sure they are only testing for drugs? And if the food

> stamp

> >

> > dollars get parents that are using drugs, food for their children

> rather

> >

> > than starving, then I'm okay with that....

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Absolutely,I am with you. I don't think all poor ppl abuse the

> system,

> > but

> >

> > > I work for a city hospital and I see a lot of it too, a lot of

> " I am

> >

> > > entitled " instead of " thank you " . so there are all kinds and I

> am all for

> >

> > > supporting the poor, and I agree - abuse is everywhere to this

> extant or

> > the

> >

> > > other, but we should strive to do everything possible to

> eliminate it to

> >

> > > minimum. I would love to hear more details, and yes, I would

> love to hear

> > it

> >

> > > is all fiction, but I believe this is also too good to be true.

> It does

> > not

> >

> > > stop me from continuing giving to charities, bc I know the $$$

> is mostly

> >

> > > used for good, but would like to know everything is done to

> prevent the

> > bad.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

> >

> > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the

> > moments

> >

> > > that take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget

> the

> > truth,

> >

> > > they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > To: rd-usa

> >

> > > From: jenniferschmerge@...

> >

> > > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:49:34 -0800

> >

> > > Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

> >

> > > vacation/exotic locations

> >

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> > >

> >

> > > I am just tired of reading so many threads that are so negative

> > about

> >

> > > the poor. Fraud and taxes are always going to be apart of life.

> I live

> > in

> >

> > > one of the most expensive and wasteful states in the nation, so

> I am no

> >

> > > stranger to paying very high taxes, and not seeing a whole lot

> become of

> > it.

> >

> > > This has been going on here for many decades, no matter what

> party is in

> >

> > > power in our state capitol and in Washington.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > I have stopped being so angry and just try to help when I can.

> NPR gave

> > the

> >

> > > best description of Californians.. " We want everything but we

> don't want

> > to

> >

> > > pay for it " .

> >

> > >

> >

> > > I live in a very financially mixed city. Very poor to very rich.

> I see

> >

> > > poor people everyday where I shop, schools, etc., and it is

> really hard

> > for

> >

> > > me to imagine them buying an airline ticket and skipping off to

> Hawaii

> > after

> >

> > > digging in the discount bins at Ross and Goodwill,going through

> my trash

> > for

> >

> > > recyclables on trash day, and buying food with foodstamps. It just

> > doesn't

> >

> > > do it for me. There has got to be more to the story.

> >

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> > > > > Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > money in vacation/exotic locations

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 3:22 PM

> >

> > >

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> > > >

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> > >

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> > > > >

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> > >

> >

> > > >

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> > >

> >

> > > > > either way its a fraud, and should be investigated and

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > not

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > assumed welfare money being hacked right away. There

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > might

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > be something to it and if so - there should be

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > something done for better protection of these cards

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > to

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > protect against hacking/identity theft. and what if

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > you

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > found out that the welfare cards where sold for cash

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > and

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > that's how it was " hacked " ? All possible, maybe yes,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > maybe

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > not, but we can't just dismiss it!

> >

> > >

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> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > police.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > " Life is not measured by the number of breath you

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > take, but

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > by the moments that take your breath away. " -

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > Carlin

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > " People don't forget the truth, they just become

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > better in

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > lying " (Revolutionary Road)

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> >

> > > > > To: rd-usa

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > From: jackiechase66@...

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:49:49 -0800

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > money

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> > > > > It wasn't that long ago

> >

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> > > > that my debit

> >

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> > > > > card was used to bet on a horse or a

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> > > > > abuse has been around as long as welfare. Will we be

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you are not in office, or at least, I didn't elect you.its called leadership.I

am not asking Buffet where is he going or when on his vacations. but when in the

WH, more sensitivity and courtesy is required, you are representing the ppl not

yourself, vacation or not!. IDK, maybe I have too high standards, I have been

accused of that before. I can live (not leave!) with that accusation :)And yes

- that was a typo - and no, not comparing you with Gibbs, but thought you

could replace him since he is leaving the position, Obama could use a good PR.

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

" Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments that

take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget the truth, they just

become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

To: rd-usa

From: jenzingaro@...

Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 21:27:56 -0500

Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in vacation/exotic

locations

Wow, I'm not surprised... of everything I had to say, you'd focus on this

and try to compare me to Gibbs (I assume you meant leaving the position, not

living).

Sorry, I think freedom applies to everyone, including the first family. If

they are paying for the vacation, they can go wherever they want, whenever.

I remember hearing people complain about Bush also, and I think that was

wrong too. People are entitled to do what they want on their vacation. I

wouldn't want anyone criticizing me.

>

> wow... I heard Gibbs is living the position.... ;)This is the beauty of

> the USA, we could argue about everything we want, w/o taking it personally

> (I know I didn't) and when you are in the WH, you should expect criticism.

> It comes with the territory. I am sure it was much more liked to punch-bag

> GWB.All I am trying to say, when you are in the WH you should be an example

> for all of us, not taking expensive vacation, they could have waited for the

> father Obama to get out of office (4 or 8 years) to take that vocation,

> meanwhile they could have taken a more humble vacation within the US,

> children education....come on. No need to be so flashy in time of bad

> economy. I can't see why it is so hard to understand! I am NOT against them

> having a vacation. I am against their bad taste of choice at that specific

> time in our economical hx! just a bit of sensitivity on behalf of our

> elected officials AND THEIR FAMILIES!

>

>

> Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

> http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

>

> " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments

> that take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget the truth,

> they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

>

>

>

>

> To: rd-usa

> From: jenzingaro@...

> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:58:23 -0500

> Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

> vacation/exotic locations

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I can't believe we are having ANOTHER discussion about this. We all

> know

>

> where everyone stands by now on social/political issues.

>

>

>

> Let's remember that smoking and drinking and drugs are all addictions....

>

> and they are very hard to beat. Sure, people should not have started in

> the

>

> first place, but I'm guessing a lot of time life is stressful and perhaps

>

> they turn to something like that. We can't even agree to provide the poor

>

> food and healthcare, let alone rehab/mental health services.

>

>

>

> Also, the first lady and her children didn't run for political office.

>

> There is no justification to begrudge them their vacation trips, no matter

>

> where they are going. They would have had travel and security paid by us

>

> irregardless and rightfully so. I'm sure a trip to Spain is a wonderful

>

> educational opportunity for her children to see how other people live.

> Just

>

> because other presidents chose to go to Camp or their ranch, it

>

> shouldn't matter, period. Family should be off limits. They paid their

> way

>

> for everything else.

>

>

>

> Mandatory drug testing. Is it REALLY worth it? Think about the money spent

>

> to pay for the tests and to hire people (OH NO, more government workers) to

>

> administer and process this testing and follow up on the whole thing. Talk

>

> about bureaucracy!! Sure, the government says they are only looking for

>

> drugs, but imagine what else they can glean from one's urine? Can we be

>

> absolutely sure they are only testing for drugs? And if the food stamp

>

> dollars get parents that are using drugs, food for their children rather

>

> than starving, then I'm okay with that....

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> >

>

> > Absolutely,I am with you. I don't think all poor ppl abuse the system,

> but

>

> > I work for a city hospital and I see a lot of it too, a lot of " I am

>

> > entitled " instead of " thank you " . so there are all kinds and I am all for

>

> > supporting the poor, and I agree - abuse is everywhere to this extant or

> the

>

> > other, but we should strive to do everything possible to eliminate it to

>

> > minimum. I would love to hear more details, and yes, I would love to hear

> it

>

> > is all fiction, but I believe this is also too good to be true. It does

> not

>

> > stop me from continuing giving to charities, bc I know the $$$ is mostly

>

> > used for good, but would like to know everything is done to prevent the

> bad.

>

> >

>

> > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

>

> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

>

> >

>

> > " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the

> moments

>

> > that take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget the

> truth,

>

> > they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > To: rd-usa

>

> > From: jenniferschmerge@...

>

> > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:49:34 -0800

>

> > Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

>

> > vacation/exotic locations

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> > I am just tired of reading so many threads that are so negative

> about

>

> > the poor. Fraud and taxes are always going to be apart of life. I live

> in

>

> > one of the most expensive and wasteful states in the nation, so I am no

>

> > stranger to paying very high taxes, and not seeing a whole lot become of

> it.

>

> > This has been going on here for many decades, no matter what party is in

>

> > power in our state capitol and in Washington.

>

> >

>

> > I have stopped being so angry and just try to help when I can. NPR gave

> the

>

> > best description of Californians.. " We want everything but we don't want

> to

>

> > pay for it " .

>

> >

>

> > I live in a very financially mixed city. Very poor to very rich. I see

>

> > poor people everyday where I shop, schools, etc., and it is really hard

> for

>

> > me to imagine them buying an airline ticket and skipping off to Hawaii

> after

>

> > digging in the discount bins at Ross and Goodwill,going through my trash

> for

>

> > recyclables on trash day, and buying food with foodstamps. It just

> doesn't

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> > do it for me. There has got to be more to the story.

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> > > > Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing

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> > > money in vacation/exotic locations

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> > >

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> > > > To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

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> > > > Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 3:22 PM

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> > > >

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> > >

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> > > > either way its a fraud, and should be investigated and

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> > > not

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> > >

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> >

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> > > > assumed welfare money being hacked right away. There

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> >

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> > > might

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> >

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> > >

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> >

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> > > > be something to it and if so - there should be

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> >

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> > >

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> >

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> > > > something done for better protection of these cards

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> >

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> > > to

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> >

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> > >

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> > > > protect against hacking/identity theft. and what if

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> >

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> > > you

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> >

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> > >

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> >

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> > > > found out that the welfare cards where sold for cash

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> >

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> > > and

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> >

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> > >

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> >

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> > > > that's how it was " hacked " ? All possible, maybe yes,

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> >

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> > > maybe

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> > >

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> > > > not, but we can't just dismiss it!

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> > > > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food

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> > > police.

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> > >

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> > > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

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> > > > " Life is not measured by the number of breath you

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> > > take, but

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> > > > by the moments that take your breath away. " -

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> >

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> > > Carlin

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> > > > " People don't forget the truth, they just become

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> >

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> > > better in

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> >

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> > >

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> > > > lying " (Revolutionary Road)

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> > > > To: rd-usa

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> > > > From: jackiechase66@...

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> >

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> > > > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:49:49 -0800

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> > > > Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing

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> > > money

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> > > > abuse has been around as long as welfare. Will we be

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you are not in office, or at least, I didn't elect you.its called leadership.I

am not asking Buffet where is he going or when on his vacations. but when in the

WH, more sensitivity and courtesy is required, you are representing the ppl not

yourself, vacation or not!. IDK, maybe I have too high standards, I have been

accused of that before. I can live (not leave!) with that accusation :)And yes

- that was a typo - and no, not comparing you with Gibbs, but thought you

could replace him since he is leaving the position, Obama could use a good PR.

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

" Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments that

take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget the truth, they just

become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

To: rd-usa

From: jenzingaro@...

Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 21:27:56 -0500

Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in vacation/exotic

locations

Wow, I'm not surprised... of everything I had to say, you'd focus on this

and try to compare me to Gibbs (I assume you meant leaving the position, not

living).

Sorry, I think freedom applies to everyone, including the first family. If

they are paying for the vacation, they can go wherever they want, whenever.

I remember hearing people complain about Bush also, and I think that was

wrong too. People are entitled to do what they want on their vacation. I

wouldn't want anyone criticizing me.

>

> wow... I heard Gibbs is living the position.... ;)This is the beauty of

> the USA, we could argue about everything we want, w/o taking it personally

> (I know I didn't) and when you are in the WH, you should expect criticism.

> It comes with the territory. I am sure it was much more liked to punch-bag

> GWB.All I am trying to say, when you are in the WH you should be an example

> for all of us, not taking expensive vacation, they could have waited for the

> father Obama to get out of office (4 or 8 years) to take that vocation,

> meanwhile they could have taken a more humble vacation within the US,

> children education....come on. No need to be so flashy in time of bad

> economy. I can't see why it is so hard to understand! I am NOT against them

> having a vacation. I am against their bad taste of choice at that specific

> time in our economical hx! just a bit of sensitivity on behalf of our

> elected officials AND THEIR FAMILIES!

>

>

> Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

> http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

>

> " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments

> that take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget the truth,

> they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

>

>

>

>

> To: rd-usa

> From: jenzingaro@...

> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:58:23 -0500

> Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

> vacation/exotic locations

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

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>

>

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>

>

> I can't believe we are having ANOTHER discussion about this. We all

> know

>

> where everyone stands by now on social/political issues.

>

>

>

> Let's remember that smoking and drinking and drugs are all addictions....

>

> and they are very hard to beat. Sure, people should not have started in

> the

>

> first place, but I'm guessing a lot of time life is stressful and perhaps

>

> they turn to something like that. We can't even agree to provide the poor

>

> food and healthcare, let alone rehab/mental health services.

>

>

>

> Also, the first lady and her children didn't run for political office.

>

> There is no justification to begrudge them their vacation trips, no matter

>

> where they are going. They would have had travel and security paid by us

>

> irregardless and rightfully so. I'm sure a trip to Spain is a wonderful

>

> educational opportunity for her children to see how other people live.

> Just

>

> because other presidents chose to go to Camp or their ranch, it

>

> shouldn't matter, period. Family should be off limits. They paid their

> way

>

> for everything else.

>

>

>

> Mandatory drug testing. Is it REALLY worth it? Think about the money spent

>

> to pay for the tests and to hire people (OH NO, more government workers) to

>

> administer and process this testing and follow up on the whole thing. Talk

>

> about bureaucracy!! Sure, the government says they are only looking for

>

> drugs, but imagine what else they can glean from one's urine? Can we be

>

> absolutely sure they are only testing for drugs? And if the food stamp

>

> dollars get parents that are using drugs, food for their children rather

>

> than starving, then I'm okay with that....

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> >

>

> > Absolutely,I am with you. I don't think all poor ppl abuse the system,

> but

>

> > I work for a city hospital and I see a lot of it too, a lot of " I am

>

> > entitled " instead of " thank you " . so there are all kinds and I am all for

>

> > supporting the poor, and I agree - abuse is everywhere to this extant or

> the

>

> > other, but we should strive to do everything possible to eliminate it to

>

> > minimum. I would love to hear more details, and yes, I would love to hear

> it

>

> > is all fiction, but I believe this is also too good to be true. It does

> not

>

> > stop me from continuing giving to charities, bc I know the $$$ is mostly

>

> > used for good, but would like to know everything is done to prevent the

> bad.

>

> >

>

> > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

>

> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

>

> >

>

> > " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the

> moments

>

> > that take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget the

> truth,

>

> > they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > To: rd-usa

>

> > From: jenniferschmerge@...

>

> > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:49:34 -0800

>

> > Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

>

> > vacation/exotic locations

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

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> >

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> > I am just tired of reading so many threads that are so negative

> about

>

> > the poor. Fraud and taxes are always going to be apart of life. I live

> in

>

> > one of the most expensive and wasteful states in the nation, so I am no

>

> > stranger to paying very high taxes, and not seeing a whole lot become of

> it.

>

> > This has been going on here for many decades, no matter what party is in

>

> > power in our state capitol and in Washington.

>

> >

>

> > I have stopped being so angry and just try to help when I can. NPR gave

> the

>

> > best description of Californians.. " We want everything but we don't want

> to

>

> > pay for it " .

>

> >

>

> > I live in a very financially mixed city. Very poor to very rich. I see

>

> > poor people everyday where I shop, schools, etc., and it is really hard

> for

>

> > me to imagine them buying an airline ticket and skipping off to Hawaii

> after

>

> > digging in the discount bins at Ross and Goodwill,going through my trash

> for

>

> > recyclables on trash day, and buying food with foodstamps. It just

> doesn't

>

> > do it for me. There has got to be more to the story.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

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> >

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> > >

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> >

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> > >

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> >

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> > >

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> >

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> > > >

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> >

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> > >

>

> >

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> > > > Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing

>

> >

>

> > > money in vacation/exotic locations

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 3:22 PM

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > either way its a fraud, and should be investigated and

>

> >

>

> > > not

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > assumed welfare money being hacked right away. There

>

> >

>

> > > might

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > be something to it and if so - there should be

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > something done for better protection of these cards

>

> >

>

> > > to

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > protect against hacking/identity theft. and what if

>

> >

>

> > > you

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > found out that the welfare cards where sold for cash

>

> >

>

> > > and

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > that's how it was " hacked " ? All possible, maybe yes,

>

> >

>

> > > maybe

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > not, but we can't just dismiss it!

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food

>

> >

>

> > > police.

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > " Life is not measured by the number of breath you

>

> >

>

> > > take, but

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > by the moments that take your breath away. " -

>

> >

>

> > > Carlin

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > > " People don't forget the truth, they just become

>

> >

>

> > > better in

>

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you are not in office, or at least, I didn't elect you.its called leadership.I

am not asking Buffet where is he going or when on his vacations. but when in the

WH, more sensitivity and courtesy is required, you are representing the ppl not

yourself, vacation or not!. IDK, maybe I have too high standards, I have been

accused of that before. I can live (not leave!) with that accusation :)And yes

- that was a typo - and no, not comparing you with Gibbs, but thought you

could replace him since he is leaving the position, Obama could use a good PR.

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

" Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments that

take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget the truth, they just

become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

To: rd-usa

From: jenzingaro@...

Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 21:27:56 -0500

Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in vacation/exotic

locations

Wow, I'm not surprised... of everything I had to say, you'd focus on this

and try to compare me to Gibbs (I assume you meant leaving the position, not

living).

Sorry, I think freedom applies to everyone, including the first family. If

they are paying for the vacation, they can go wherever they want, whenever.

I remember hearing people complain about Bush also, and I think that was

wrong too. People are entitled to do what they want on their vacation. I

wouldn't want anyone criticizing me.

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> wow... I heard Gibbs is living the position.... ;)This is the beauty of

> the USA, we could argue about everything we want, w/o taking it personally

> (I know I didn't) and when you are in the WH, you should expect criticism.

> It comes with the territory. I am sure it was much more liked to punch-bag

> GWB.All I am trying to say, when you are in the WH you should be an example

> for all of us, not taking expensive vacation, they could have waited for the

> father Obama to get out of office (4 or 8 years) to take that vocation,

> meanwhile they could have taken a more humble vacation within the US,

> children education....come on. No need to be so flashy in time of bad

> economy. I can't see why it is so hard to understand! I am NOT against them

> having a vacation. I am against their bad taste of choice at that specific

> time in our economical hx! just a bit of sensitivity on behalf of our

> elected officials AND THEIR FAMILIES!

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> Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

> http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

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> " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments

> that take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget the truth,

> they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

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> To: rd-usa

> From: jenzingaro@...

> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:58:23 -0500

> Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

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> Let's remember that smoking and drinking and drugs are all addictions....

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> and they are very hard to beat. Sure, people should not have started in

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> Mandatory drug testing. Is it REALLY worth it? Think about the money spent

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> about bureaucracy!! Sure, the government says they are only looking for

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> drugs, but imagine what else they can glean from one's urine? Can we be

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> > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

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But you are asking me to indirectly pay for their addictions through taxes

when they spend it on cigarettes, alcohol, etc.

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> I can't believe we are having ANOTHER discussion about this. We all know

> where everyone stands by now on social/political issues.

>

> Let's remember that smoking and drinking and drugs are all addictions....

> and they are very hard to beat. Sure, people should not have started in the

> first place, but I'm guessing a lot of time life is stressful and perhaps

> they turn to something like that. We can't even agree to provide the poor

> food and healthcare, let alone rehab/mental health services.

>

> Also, the first lady and her children didn't run for political office.

> There is no justification to begrudge them their vacation trips, no matter

> where they are going. They would have had travel and security paid by us

> irregardless and rightfully so. I'm sure a trip to Spain is a wonderful

> educational opportunity for her children to see how other people live. Just

> because other presidents chose to go to Camp or their ranch, it

> shouldn't matter, period. Family should be off limits. They paid their way

> for everything else.

>

> Mandatory drug testing. Is it REALLY worth it? Think about the money spent

> to pay for the tests and to hire people (OH NO, more government workers) to

> administer and process this testing and follow up on the whole thing. Talk

> about bureaucracy!! Sure, the government says they are only looking for

> drugs, but imagine what else they can glean from one's urine? Can we be

> absolutely sure they are only testing for drugs? And if the food stamp

> dollars get parents that are using drugs, food for their children rather

> than starving, then I'm okay with that....

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Absolutely,I am with you. I don't think all poor ppl abuse the system,

> but

> > I work for a city hospital and I see a lot of it too, a lot of " I am

> > entitled " instead of " thank you " . so there are all kinds and I am all for

> > supporting the poor, and I agree - abuse is everywhere to this extant or

> the

> > other, but we should strive to do everything possible to eliminate it to

> > minimum. I would love to hear more details, and yes, I would love to hear

> it

> > is all fiction, but I believe this is also too good to be true. It does

> not

> > stop me from continuing giving to charities, bc I know the $$$ is mostly

> > used for good, but would like to know everything is done to prevent the

> bad.

> >

> > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

> >

> > " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the

> moments

> > that take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget the

> truth,

> > they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > To: rd-usa

> > From: jenniferschmerge@...

> > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:49:34 -0800

> > Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

> > vacation/exotic locations

> >

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> >

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> > I am just tired of reading so many threads that are so negative about

> > the poor. Fraud and taxes are always going to be apart of life. I live in

> > one of the most expensive and wasteful states in the nation, so I am no

> > stranger to paying very high taxes, and not seeing a whole lot become of

> it.

> > This has been going on here for many decades, no matter what party is in

> > power in our state capitol and in Washington.

> >

> > I have stopped being so angry and just try to help when I can. NPR gave

> the

> > best description of Californians.. " We want everything but we don't want

> to

> > pay for it " .

> >

> > I live in a very financially mixed city. Very poor to very rich. I see

> > poor people everyday where I shop, schools, etc., and it is really hard

> for

> > me to imagine them buying an airline ticket and skipping off to Hawaii

> after

> > digging in the discount bins at Ross and Goodwill,going through my trash

> for

> > recyclables on trash day, and buying food with foodstamps. It just

> doesn't

> > do it for me. There has got to be more to the story.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing

> >

> > > money in vacation/exotic locations

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 3:22 PM

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > either way its a fraud, and should be investigated and

> >

> > > not

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > assumed welfare money being hacked right away. There

> >

> > > might

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > be something to it and if so - there should be

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > something done for better protection of these cards

> >

> > > to

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > protect against hacking/identity theft. and what if

> >

> > > you

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > found out that the welfare cards where sold for cash

> >

> > > and

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > that's how it was " hacked " ? All possible, maybe yes,

> >

> > > maybe

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > not, but we can't just dismiss it!

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food

> >

> > > police.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > " Life is not measured by the number of breath you

> >

> > > take, but

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > by the moments that take your breath away. " -

> >

> > > Carlin

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > " People don't forget the truth, they just become

> >

> > > better in

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > lying " (Revolutionary Road)

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > To: rd-usa

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > From: jackiechase66@...

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:49:49 -0800

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing

> >

> > > money

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > in vacation/exotic locations

> >

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> > > > It wasn't that long ago

> >

> > > that my debit

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > card was used to bet on a horse or a

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > football team in jolly old England. Living in Alaska

> >

> > > made

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > for interesting

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > research on where this debit came from. If it can be

> >

> > > done

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > it will be hacked. It

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > may not be the recipients that are gaining from this

> >

> > > but

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > someone else. Welfare

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > abuse has been around as long as welfare. Will we be

> >

> > > able

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > to stop it, most

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > likely not, just plug the new loop holes at they

> >

> > > appear.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

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> > > > Jackie Chase RD

> >

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> > > > Dillingham AK

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But you are asking me to indirectly pay for their addictions through taxes

when they spend it on cigarettes, alcohol, etc.

>

>

> I can't believe we are having ANOTHER discussion about this. We all know

> where everyone stands by now on social/political issues.

>

> Let's remember that smoking and drinking and drugs are all addictions....

> and they are very hard to beat. Sure, people should not have started in the

> first place, but I'm guessing a lot of time life is stressful and perhaps

> they turn to something like that. We can't even agree to provide the poor

> food and healthcare, let alone rehab/mental health services.

>

> Also, the first lady and her children didn't run for political office.

> There is no justification to begrudge them their vacation trips, no matter

> where they are going. They would have had travel and security paid by us

> irregardless and rightfully so. I'm sure a trip to Spain is a wonderful

> educational opportunity for her children to see how other people live. Just

> because other presidents chose to go to Camp or their ranch, it

> shouldn't matter, period. Family should be off limits. They paid their way

> for everything else.

>

> Mandatory drug testing. Is it REALLY worth it? Think about the money spent

> to pay for the tests and to hire people (OH NO, more government workers) to

> administer and process this testing and follow up on the whole thing. Talk

> about bureaucracy!! Sure, the government says they are only looking for

> drugs, but imagine what else they can glean from one's urine? Can we be

> absolutely sure they are only testing for drugs? And if the food stamp

> dollars get parents that are using drugs, food for their children rather

> than starving, then I'm okay with that....

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Absolutely,I am with you. I don't think all poor ppl abuse the system,

> but

> > I work for a city hospital and I see a lot of it too, a lot of " I am

> > entitled " instead of " thank you " . so there are all kinds and I am all for

> > supporting the poor, and I agree - abuse is everywhere to this extant or

> the

> > other, but we should strive to do everything possible to eliminate it to

> > minimum. I would love to hear more details, and yes, I would love to hear

> it

> > is all fiction, but I believe this is also too good to be true. It does

> not

> > stop me from continuing giving to charities, bc I know the $$$ is mostly

> > used for good, but would like to know everything is done to prevent the

> bad.

> >

> > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

> >

> > " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the

> moments

> > that take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget the

> truth,

> > they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > To: rd-usa

> > From: jenniferschmerge@...

> > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:49:34 -0800

> > Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

> > vacation/exotic locations

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I am just tired of reading so many threads that are so negative about

> > the poor. Fraud and taxes are always going to be apart of life. I live in

> > one of the most expensive and wasteful states in the nation, so I am no

> > stranger to paying very high taxes, and not seeing a whole lot become of

> it.

> > This has been going on here for many decades, no matter what party is in

> > power in our state capitol and in Washington.

> >

> > I have stopped being so angry and just try to help when I can. NPR gave

> the

> > best description of Californians.. " We want everything but we don't want

> to

> > pay for it " .

> >

> > I live in a very financially mixed city. Very poor to very rich. I see

> > poor people everyday where I shop, schools, etc., and it is really hard

> for

> > me to imagine them buying an airline ticket and skipping off to Hawaii

> after

> > digging in the discount bins at Ross and Goodwill,going through my trash

> for

> > recyclables on trash day, and buying food with foodstamps. It just

> doesn't

> > do it for me. There has got to be more to the story.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing

> >

> > > money in vacation/exotic locations

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 3:22 PM

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > either way its a fraud, and should be investigated and

> >

> > > not

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > assumed welfare money being hacked right away. There

> >

> > > might

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > be something to it and if so - there should be

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > something done for better protection of these cards

> >

> > > to

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > protect against hacking/identity theft. and what if

> >

> > > you

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > found out that the welfare cards where sold for cash

> >

> > > and

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > that's how it was " hacked " ? All possible, maybe yes,

> >

> > > maybe

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > not, but we can't just dismiss it!

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food

> >

> > > police.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > " Life is not measured by the number of breath you

> >

> > > take, but

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > by the moments that take your breath away. " -

> >

> > > Carlin

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > " People don't forget the truth, they just become

> >

> > > better in

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > lying " (Revolutionary Road)

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > To: rd-usa

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > From: jackiechase66@...

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:49:49 -0800

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing

> >

> > > money

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > in vacation/exotic locations

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

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> >

> > >

> >

> > > > It wasn't that long ago

> >

> > > that my debit

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > card was used to bet on a horse or a

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > football team in jolly old England. Living in Alaska

> >

> > > made

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > for interesting

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > research on where this debit came from. If it can be

> >

> > > done

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > it will be hacked. It

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > may not be the recipients that are gaining from this

> >

> > > but

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > someone else. Welfare

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > abuse has been around as long as welfare. Will we be

> >

> > > able

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > to stop it, most

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > likely not, just plug the new loop holes at they

> >

> > > appear.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > Jackie Chase RD

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> > > > Dillingham AK

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But you are asking me to indirectly pay for their addictions through taxes

when they spend it on cigarettes, alcohol, etc.

>

>

> I can't believe we are having ANOTHER discussion about this. We all know

> where everyone stands by now on social/political issues.

>

> Let's remember that smoking and drinking and drugs are all addictions....

> and they are very hard to beat. Sure, people should not have started in the

> first place, but I'm guessing a lot of time life is stressful and perhaps

> they turn to something like that. We can't even agree to provide the poor

> food and healthcare, let alone rehab/mental health services.

>

> Also, the first lady and her children didn't run for political office.

> There is no justification to begrudge them their vacation trips, no matter

> where they are going. They would have had travel and security paid by us

> irregardless and rightfully so. I'm sure a trip to Spain is a wonderful

> educational opportunity for her children to see how other people live. Just

> because other presidents chose to go to Camp or their ranch, it

> shouldn't matter, period. Family should be off limits. They paid their way

> for everything else.

>

> Mandatory drug testing. Is it REALLY worth it? Think about the money spent

> to pay for the tests and to hire people (OH NO, more government workers) to

> administer and process this testing and follow up on the whole thing. Talk

> about bureaucracy!! Sure, the government says they are only looking for

> drugs, but imagine what else they can glean from one's urine? Can we be

> absolutely sure they are only testing for drugs? And if the food stamp

> dollars get parents that are using drugs, food for their children rather

> than starving, then I'm okay with that....

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Absolutely,I am with you. I don't think all poor ppl abuse the system,

> but

> > I work for a city hospital and I see a lot of it too, a lot of " I am

> > entitled " instead of " thank you " . so there are all kinds and I am all for

> > supporting the poor, and I agree - abuse is everywhere to this extant or

> the

> > other, but we should strive to do everything possible to eliminate it to

> > minimum. I would love to hear more details, and yes, I would love to hear

> it

> > is all fiction, but I believe this is also too good to be true. It does

> not

> > stop me from continuing giving to charities, bc I know the $$$ is mostly

> > used for good, but would like to know everything is done to prevent the

> bad.

> >

> > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

> >

> > " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the

> moments

> > that take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget the

> truth,

> > they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > To: rd-usa

> > From: jenniferschmerge@...

> > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:49:34 -0800

> > Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

> > vacation/exotic locations

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I am just tired of reading so many threads that are so negative about

> > the poor. Fraud and taxes are always going to be apart of life. I live in

> > one of the most expensive and wasteful states in the nation, so I am no

> > stranger to paying very high taxes, and not seeing a whole lot become of

> it.

> > This has been going on here for many decades, no matter what party is in

> > power in our state capitol and in Washington.

> >

> > I have stopped being so angry and just try to help when I can. NPR gave

> the

> > best description of Californians.. " We want everything but we don't want

> to

> > pay for it " .

> >

> > I live in a very financially mixed city. Very poor to very rich. I see

> > poor people everyday where I shop, schools, etc., and it is really hard

> for

> > me to imagine them buying an airline ticket and skipping off to Hawaii

> after

> > digging in the discount bins at Ross and Goodwill,going through my trash

> for

> > recyclables on trash day, and buying food with foodstamps. It just

> doesn't

> > do it for me. There has got to be more to the story.

> >

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> > > > Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing

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> > > > To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

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> > > > Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 3:22 PM

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> > > > either way its a fraud, and should be investigated and

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> > > not

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> > > > assumed welfare money being hacked right away. There

> >

> > > might

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> > > > be something to it and if so - there should be

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> > > > something done for better protection of these cards

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> > > to

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> > > > protect against hacking/identity theft. and what if

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> > > you

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> > >

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> > > > found out that the welfare cards where sold for cash

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> > > and

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> > > > that's how it was " hacked " ? All possible, maybe yes,

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> > > maybe

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> > > > not, but we can't just dismiss it!

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> > > > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food

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> > > police.

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> > > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

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> > > > " Life is not measured by the number of breath you

> >

> > > take, but

> >

> > >

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> > > > by the moments that take your breath away. " -

> >

> > > Carlin

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> > > > " People don't forget the truth, they just become

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> > > better in

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> > > > lying " (Revolutionary Road)

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> > > > To: rd-usa

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> > > > From: jackiechase66@...

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> > > > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:49:49 -0800

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> > > > Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing

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> > > > It wasn't that long ago

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> > > that my debit

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> > > > card was used to bet on a horse or a

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> > > > football team in jolly old England. Living in Alaska

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> > > > research on where this debit came from. If it can be

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> > > > may not be the recipients that are gaining from this

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> > > > someone else. Welfare

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> > > > abuse has been around as long as welfare. Will we be

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wow ... how did you come to the conclusion that I have something against Gibbs

it is a stressful job and everything you said about him/the position is 100%

right.

Ladies - at this point I have one suggestion:

Pillow Fight :)))

Good night

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

" Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments that

take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget the truth, they just

become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

> To: rd-usa

> From: pcharney@...

> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 18:36:42 -0800

> Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in vacation/exotic

locations

>

> Agree entirely, Jen.

>

> Yes, Gibbs resigned. That's fairly typical of White House press

> secretaries. It's a high pressure, high visibility job. Most don't

> last that long. ly, I'm surprised he lasted so long and did well.

> He was actually filling 1.5-2 positions for quite some time. As Jen

> mentioned, I'm not sure what the comparison is. I wish Mr Gibbs well.

>

> If Mrs Obama went to Spain with her children, while I would dearly

> hope I'd get a postcard and/or a t-shirt, it is her choice. If she

> goes while her husband is in the White House, how is that hurting you?

> Is the American public so confused that we somehow think the First

> Lady is setting policy or somehow doing damage to our survival by

> taking her children to Spain? To be honest, I'm glad that she and her

> children did such a good job as ambassadors for America. There have

> been times that I've been overseas and seen Americans behaving badly.

> Very badly.

>

> I do recall the criticisms of both of the Bush's. That's not unique to

> anyone in the Presidency. No matter what you do, someone's going to be

> unhappy. I'm sure the Obama family made a vacation decision that was

> in part based on their ability to expose the children to a wide

> variety of cultures, geography, and language. More power to them.

> Hopefully they'll grow up to put that learning to use for their

> country. If they choose to do that now or in 8 years, what is the

> difference? When Chelsea Clinton got married, there was criticism of

> the cost of her wedding. To be honest, I don't care who paid for it.

> But it goes to show that there are some in this country who will find

> fault no matter what the choice is and when it's made.

>

> Can we get back to putting our heads together to figure out how to

> make sure that EVERYONE in this country is able to go to bed without

> feeling the fear, anger and shame associated with poverty and hunger?

>

> Thanks

> pam

>

> Pam Charney

> pcharney@...

>

>

>

>

>

> > Wow, I'm not surprised... of everything I had to say, you'd focus on

> > this

> > and try to compare me to Gibbs (I assume you meant leaving the

> > position, not

> > living).

> >

> > Sorry, I think freedom applies to everyone, including the first

> > family. If

> > they are paying for the vacation, they can go wherever they want,

> > whenever.

> > I remember hearing people complain about Bush also, and I think that

> > was

> > wrong too. People are entitled to do what they want on their

> > vacation. I

> > wouldn't want anyone criticizing me.

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > wow... I heard Gibbs is living the position.... ;)This is the

> > beauty of

> > > the USA, we could argue about everything we want, w/o taking it

> > personally

> > > (I know I didn't) and when you are in the WH, you should expect

> > criticism.

> > > It comes with the territory. I am sure it was much more liked to

> > punch-bag

> > > GWB.All I am trying to say, when you are in the WH you should be

> > an example

> > > for all of us, not taking expensive vacation, they could have

> > waited for the

> > > father Obama to get out of office (4 or 8 years) to take that

> > vocation,

> > > meanwhile they could have taken a more humble vacation within the

> > US,

> > > children education....come on. No need to be so flashy in time of

> > bad

> > > economy. I can't see why it is so hard to understand! I am NOT

> > against them

> > > having a vacation. I am against their bad taste of choice at that

> > specific

> > > time in our economical hx! just a bit of sensitivity on behalf of

> > our

> > > elected officials AND THEIR FAMILIES!

> > >

> > >

> > > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

> > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

> > >

> > > " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the

> > moments

> > > that take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget

> > the truth,

> > > they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > To: rd-usa

> > > From: jenzingaro@...

> > > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:58:23 -0500

> > > Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

> > > vacation/exotic locations

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> > > I can't believe we are having ANOTHER discussion about this. We all

> > > know

> > >

> > > where everyone stands by now on social/political issues.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Let's remember that smoking and drinking and drugs are all

> > addictions....

> > >

> > > and they are very hard to beat. Sure, people should not have

> > started in

> > > the

> > >

> > > first place, but I'm guessing a lot of time life is stressful and

> > perhaps

> > >

> > > they turn to something like that. We can't even agree to provide

> > the poor

> > >

> > > food and healthcare, let alone rehab/mental health services.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Also, the first lady and her children didn't run for political

> > office.

> > >

> > > There is no justification to begrudge them their vacation trips,

> > no matter

> > >

> > > where they are going. They would have had travel and security paid

> > by us

> > >

> > > irregardless and rightfully so. I'm sure a trip to Spain is a

> > wonderful

> > >

> > > educational opportunity for her children to see how other people

> > live.

> > > Just

> > >

> > > because other presidents chose to go to Camp or their ranch,

> > it

> > >

> > > shouldn't matter, period. Family should be off limits. They paid

> > their

> > > way

> > >

> > > for everything else.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Mandatory drug testing. Is it REALLY worth it? Think about the

> > money spent

> > >

> > > to pay for the tests and to hire people (OH NO, more government

> > workers) to

> > >

> > > administer and process this testing and follow up on the whole

> > thing. Talk

> > >

> > > about bureaucracy!! Sure, the government says they are only

> > looking for

> > >

> > > drugs, but imagine what else they can glean from one's urine? Can

> > we be

> > >

> > > absolutely sure they are only testing for drugs? And if the food

> > stamp

> > >

> > > dollars get parents that are using drugs, food for their children

> > rather

> > >

> > > than starving, then I'm okay with that....

> > >

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> > >

> > > > Absolutely,I am with you. I don't think all poor ppl abuse the

> > system,

> > > but

> > >

> > > > I work for a city hospital and I see a lot of it too, a lot of

> > " I am

> > >

> > > > entitled " instead of " thank you " . so there are all kinds and I

> > am all for

> > >

> > > > supporting the poor, and I agree - abuse is everywhere to this

> > extant or

> > > the

> > >

> > > > other, but we should strive to do everything possible to

> > eliminate it to

> > >

> > > > minimum. I would love to hear more details, and yes, I would

> > love to hear

> > > it

> > >

> > > > is all fiction, but I believe this is also too good to be true.

> > It does

> > > not

> > >

> > > > stop me from continuing giving to charities, bc I know the $$$

> > is mostly

> > >

> > > > used for good, but would like to know everything is done to

> > prevent the

> > > bad.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

> > >

> > > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the

> > > moments

> > >

> > > > that take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget

> > the

> > > truth,

> > >

> > > > they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

> > >

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> > > > To: rd-usa

> > >

> > > > From: jenniferschmerge@...

> > >

> > > > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:49:34 -0800

> > >

> > > > Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

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> > > > I am just tired of reading so many threads that are so negative

> > > about

> > >

> > > > the poor. Fraud and taxes are always going to be apart of life.

> > I live

> > > in

> > >

> > > > one of the most expensive and wasteful states in the nation, so

> > I am no

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> > > > stranger to paying very high taxes, and not seeing a whole lot

> > become of

> > > it.

> > >

> > > > This has been going on here for many decades, no matter what

> > party is in

> > >

> > > > power in our state capitol and in Washington.

> > >

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> > > > I have stopped being so angry and just try to help when I can.

> > NPR gave

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> > > > best description of Californians.. " We want everything but we

> > don't want

> > > to

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> > > > pay for it " .

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> > > >

> > >

> > > > I live in a very financially mixed city. Very poor to very rich.

> > I see

> > >

> > > > poor people everyday where I shop, schools, etc., and it is

> > really hard

> > > for

> > >

> > > > me to imagine them buying an airline ticket and skipping off to

> > Hawaii

> > > after

> > >

> > > > digging in the discount bins at Ross and Goodwill,going through

> > my trash

> > > for

> > >

> > > > recyclables on trash day, and buying food with foodstamps. It just

> > > doesn't

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> > > > do it for me. There has got to be more to the story.

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> > > > > > Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing

> > >

> > > >

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> > > > > money in vacation/exotic locations

> > >

> > > >

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> > > > > > To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

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> > > > > > Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 3:22 PM

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> > > > > > either way its a fraud, and should be investigated and

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> > > > > not

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> > > > > > assumed welfare money being hacked right away. There

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> > > > > > be something to it and if so - there should be

> > >

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> > > > > > something done for better protection of these cards

> > >

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> > > > > > protect against hacking/identity theft. and what if

> > >

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> > >

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> > > > > > found out that the welfare cards where sold for cash

> > >

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> > >

> > > > > and

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > that's how it was " hacked " ? All possible, maybe yes,

> > >

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> > >

> > > > > maybe

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

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> > > > > > not, but we can't just dismiss it!

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> > > > > > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > police.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

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> > > > > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

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> > > > > > " Life is not measured by the number of breath you

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > take, but

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > by the moments that take your breath away. " -

> > >

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> > >

> > > > > Carlin

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> > > > > > " People don't forget the truth, they just become

> > >

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> > >

> > > > > better in

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

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> > > > > > To: rd-usa

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> > > > > > From: jackiechase66@...

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

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> > >

> > > > > > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:49:49 -0800

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wow ... how did you come to the conclusion that I have something against Gibbs

it is a stressful job and everything you said about him/the position is 100%

right.

Ladies - at this point I have one suggestion:

Pillow Fight :)))

Good night

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

" Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments that

take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget the truth, they just

become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

> To: rd-usa

> From: pcharney@...

> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 18:36:42 -0800

> Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in vacation/exotic

locations

>

> Agree entirely, Jen.

>

> Yes, Gibbs resigned. That's fairly typical of White House press

> secretaries. It's a high pressure, high visibility job. Most don't

> last that long. ly, I'm surprised he lasted so long and did well.

> He was actually filling 1.5-2 positions for quite some time. As Jen

> mentioned, I'm not sure what the comparison is. I wish Mr Gibbs well.

>

> If Mrs Obama went to Spain with her children, while I would dearly

> hope I'd get a postcard and/or a t-shirt, it is her choice. If she

> goes while her husband is in the White House, how is that hurting you?

> Is the American public so confused that we somehow think the First

> Lady is setting policy or somehow doing damage to our survival by

> taking her children to Spain? To be honest, I'm glad that she and her

> children did such a good job as ambassadors for America. There have

> been times that I've been overseas and seen Americans behaving badly.

> Very badly.

>

> I do recall the criticisms of both of the Bush's. That's not unique to

> anyone in the Presidency. No matter what you do, someone's going to be

> unhappy. I'm sure the Obama family made a vacation decision that was

> in part based on their ability to expose the children to a wide

> variety of cultures, geography, and language. More power to them.

> Hopefully they'll grow up to put that learning to use for their

> country. If they choose to do that now or in 8 years, what is the

> difference? When Chelsea Clinton got married, there was criticism of

> the cost of her wedding. To be honest, I don't care who paid for it.

> But it goes to show that there are some in this country who will find

> fault no matter what the choice is and when it's made.

>

> Can we get back to putting our heads together to figure out how to

> make sure that EVERYONE in this country is able to go to bed without

> feeling the fear, anger and shame associated with poverty and hunger?

>

> Thanks

> pam

>

> Pam Charney

> pcharney@...

>

>

>

>

>

> > Wow, I'm not surprised... of everything I had to say, you'd focus on

> > this

> > and try to compare me to Gibbs (I assume you meant leaving the

> > position, not

> > living).

> >

> > Sorry, I think freedom applies to everyone, including the first

> > family. If

> > they are paying for the vacation, they can go wherever they want,

> > whenever.

> > I remember hearing people complain about Bush also, and I think that

> > was

> > wrong too. People are entitled to do what they want on their

> > vacation. I

> > wouldn't want anyone criticizing me.

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > wow... I heard Gibbs is living the position.... ;)This is the

> > beauty of

> > > the USA, we could argue about everything we want, w/o taking it

> > personally

> > > (I know I didn't) and when you are in the WH, you should expect

> > criticism.

> > > It comes with the territory. I am sure it was much more liked to

> > punch-bag

> > > GWB.All I am trying to say, when you are in the WH you should be

> > an example

> > > for all of us, not taking expensive vacation, they could have

> > waited for the

> > > father Obama to get out of office (4 or 8 years) to take that

> > vocation,

> > > meanwhile they could have taken a more humble vacation within the

> > US,

> > > children education....come on. No need to be so flashy in time of

> > bad

> > > economy. I can't see why it is so hard to understand! I am NOT

> > against them

> > > having a vacation. I am against their bad taste of choice at that

> > specific

> > > time in our economical hx! just a bit of sensitivity on behalf of

> > our

> > > elected officials AND THEIR FAMILIES!

> > >

> > >

> > > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

> > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

> > >

> > > " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the

> > moments

> > > that take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget

> > the truth,

> > > they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > To: rd-usa

> > > From: jenzingaro@...

> > > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:58:23 -0500

> > > Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

> > > vacation/exotic locations

> > >

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> > >

> > > I can't believe we are having ANOTHER discussion about this. We all

> > > know

> > >

> > > where everyone stands by now on social/political issues.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Let's remember that smoking and drinking and drugs are all

> > addictions....

> > >

> > > and they are very hard to beat. Sure, people should not have

> > started in

> > > the

> > >

> > > first place, but I'm guessing a lot of time life is stressful and

> > perhaps

> > >

> > > they turn to something like that. We can't even agree to provide

> > the poor

> > >

> > > food and healthcare, let alone rehab/mental health services.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Also, the first lady and her children didn't run for political

> > office.

> > >

> > > There is no justification to begrudge them their vacation trips,

> > no matter

> > >

> > > where they are going. They would have had travel and security paid

> > by us

> > >

> > > irregardless and rightfully so. I'm sure a trip to Spain is a

> > wonderful

> > >

> > > educational opportunity for her children to see how other people

> > live.

> > > Just

> > >

> > > because other presidents chose to go to Camp or their ranch,

> > it

> > >

> > > shouldn't matter, period. Family should be off limits. They paid

> > their

> > > way

> > >

> > > for everything else.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Mandatory drug testing. Is it REALLY worth it? Think about the

> > money spent

> > >

> > > to pay for the tests and to hire people (OH NO, more government

> > workers) to

> > >

> > > administer and process this testing and follow up on the whole

> > thing. Talk

> > >

> > > about bureaucracy!! Sure, the government says they are only

> > looking for

> > >

> > > drugs, but imagine what else they can glean from one's urine? Can

> > we be

> > >

> > > absolutely sure they are only testing for drugs? And if the food

> > stamp

> > >

> > > dollars get parents that are using drugs, food for their children

> > rather

> > >

> > > than starving, then I'm okay with that....

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Absolutely,I am with you. I don't think all poor ppl abuse the

> > system,

> > > but

> > >

> > > > I work for a city hospital and I see a lot of it too, a lot of

> > " I am

> > >

> > > > entitled " instead of " thank you " . so there are all kinds and I

> > am all for

> > >

> > > > supporting the poor, and I agree - abuse is everywhere to this

> > extant or

> > > the

> > >

> > > > other, but we should strive to do everything possible to

> > eliminate it to

> > >

> > > > minimum. I would love to hear more details, and yes, I would

> > love to hear

> > > it

> > >

> > > > is all fiction, but I believe this is also too good to be true.

> > It does

> > > not

> > >

> > > > stop me from continuing giving to charities, bc I know the $$$

> > is mostly

> > >

> > > > used for good, but would like to know everything is done to

> > prevent the

> > > bad.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

> > >

> > > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the

> > > moments

> > >

> > > > that take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget

> > the

> > > truth,

> > >

> > > > they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

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> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > To: rd-usa

> > >

> > > > From: jenniferschmerge@...

> > >

> > > > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:49:34 -0800

> > >

> > > > Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

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> > > > I am just tired of reading so many threads that are so negative

> > > about

> > >

> > > > the poor. Fraud and taxes are always going to be apart of life.

> > I live

> > > in

> > >

> > > > one of the most expensive and wasteful states in the nation, so

> > I am no

> > >

> > > > stranger to paying very high taxes, and not seeing a whole lot

> > become of

> > > it.

> > >

> > > > This has been going on here for many decades, no matter what

> > party is in

> > >

> > > > power in our state capitol and in Washington.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > I have stopped being so angry and just try to help when I can.

> > NPR gave

> > > the

> > >

> > > > best description of Californians.. " We want everything but we

> > don't want

> > > to

> > >

> > > > pay for it " .

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > I live in a very financially mixed city. Very poor to very rich.

> > I see

> > >

> > > > poor people everyday where I shop, schools, etc., and it is

> > really hard

> > > for

> > >

> > > > me to imagine them buying an airline ticket and skipping off to

> > Hawaii

> > > after

> > >

> > > > digging in the discount bins at Ross and Goodwill,going through

> > my trash

> > > for

> > >

> > > > recyclables on trash day, and buying food with foodstamps. It just

> > > doesn't

> > >

> > > > do it for me. There has got to be more to the story.

> > >

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> > > > > > Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > money in vacation/exotic locations

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

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> > >

> > > > > > To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 3:22 PM

> > >

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> > > > > > either way its a fraud, and should be investigated and

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > not

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > assumed welfare money being hacked right away. There

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > might

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > be something to it and if so - there should be

> > >

> > > >

> > >

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> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > something done for better protection of these cards

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > to

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > protect against hacking/identity theft. and what if

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > you

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > found out that the welfare cards where sold for cash

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > and

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > that's how it was " hacked " ? All possible, maybe yes,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > maybe

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > not, but we can't just dismiss it!

> > >

> > > >

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> > >

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> > >

> > > >

> > >

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> > >

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> > >

> > > > > > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > police.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

> > >

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> > > > > > " Life is not measured by the number of breath you

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > take, but

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > by the moments that take your breath away. " -

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Carlin

> > >

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> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > " People don't forget the truth, they just become

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > better in

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

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wow ... how did you come to the conclusion that I have something against Gibbs

it is a stressful job and everything you said about him/the position is 100%

right.

Ladies - at this point I have one suggestion:

Pillow Fight :)))

Good night

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

" Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments that

take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget the truth, they just

become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

> To: rd-usa

> From: pcharney@...

> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 18:36:42 -0800

> Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in vacation/exotic

locations

>

> Agree entirely, Jen.

>

> Yes, Gibbs resigned. That's fairly typical of White House press

> secretaries. It's a high pressure, high visibility job. Most don't

> last that long. ly, I'm surprised he lasted so long and did well.

> He was actually filling 1.5-2 positions for quite some time. As Jen

> mentioned, I'm not sure what the comparison is. I wish Mr Gibbs well.

>

> If Mrs Obama went to Spain with her children, while I would dearly

> hope I'd get a postcard and/or a t-shirt, it is her choice. If she

> goes while her husband is in the White House, how is that hurting you?

> Is the American public so confused that we somehow think the First

> Lady is setting policy or somehow doing damage to our survival by

> taking her children to Spain? To be honest, I'm glad that she and her

> children did such a good job as ambassadors for America. There have

> been times that I've been overseas and seen Americans behaving badly.

> Very badly.

>

> I do recall the criticisms of both of the Bush's. That's not unique to

> anyone in the Presidency. No matter what you do, someone's going to be

> unhappy. I'm sure the Obama family made a vacation decision that was

> in part based on their ability to expose the children to a wide

> variety of cultures, geography, and language. More power to them.

> Hopefully they'll grow up to put that learning to use for their

> country. If they choose to do that now or in 8 years, what is the

> difference? When Chelsea Clinton got married, there was criticism of

> the cost of her wedding. To be honest, I don't care who paid for it.

> But it goes to show that there are some in this country who will find

> fault no matter what the choice is and when it's made.

>

> Can we get back to putting our heads together to figure out how to

> make sure that EVERYONE in this country is able to go to bed without

> feeling the fear, anger and shame associated with poverty and hunger?

>

> Thanks

> pam

>

> Pam Charney

> pcharney@...

>

>

>

>

>

> > Wow, I'm not surprised... of everything I had to say, you'd focus on

> > this

> > and try to compare me to Gibbs (I assume you meant leaving the

> > position, not

> > living).

> >

> > Sorry, I think freedom applies to everyone, including the first

> > family. If

> > they are paying for the vacation, they can go wherever they want,

> > whenever.

> > I remember hearing people complain about Bush also, and I think that

> > was

> > wrong too. People are entitled to do what they want on their

> > vacation. I

> > wouldn't want anyone criticizing me.

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > wow... I heard Gibbs is living the position.... ;)This is the

> > beauty of

> > > the USA, we could argue about everything we want, w/o taking it

> > personally

> > > (I know I didn't) and when you are in the WH, you should expect

> > criticism.

> > > It comes with the territory. I am sure it was much more liked to

> > punch-bag

> > > GWB.All I am trying to say, when you are in the WH you should be

> > an example

> > > for all of us, not taking expensive vacation, they could have

> > waited for the

> > > father Obama to get out of office (4 or 8 years) to take that

> > vocation,

> > > meanwhile they could have taken a more humble vacation within the

> > US,

> > > children education....come on. No need to be so flashy in time of

> > bad

> > > economy. I can't see why it is so hard to understand! I am NOT

> > against them

> > > having a vacation. I am against their bad taste of choice at that

> > specific

> > > time in our economical hx! just a bit of sensitivity on behalf of

> > our

> > > elected officials AND THEIR FAMILIES!

> > >

> > >

> > > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

> > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

> > >

> > > " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the

> > moments

> > > that take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget

> > the truth,

> > > they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > To: rd-usa

> > > From: jenzingaro@...

> > > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:58:23 -0500

> > > Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

> > > vacation/exotic locations

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> > > I can't believe we are having ANOTHER discussion about this. We all

> > > know

> > >

> > > where everyone stands by now on social/political issues.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Let's remember that smoking and drinking and drugs are all

> > addictions....

> > >

> > > and they are very hard to beat. Sure, people should not have

> > started in

> > > the

> > >

> > > first place, but I'm guessing a lot of time life is stressful and

> > perhaps

> > >

> > > they turn to something like that. We can't even agree to provide

> > the poor

> > >

> > > food and healthcare, let alone rehab/mental health services.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Also, the first lady and her children didn't run for political

> > office.

> > >

> > > There is no justification to begrudge them their vacation trips,

> > no matter

> > >

> > > where they are going. They would have had travel and security paid

> > by us

> > >

> > > irregardless and rightfully so. I'm sure a trip to Spain is a

> > wonderful

> > >

> > > educational opportunity for her children to see how other people

> > live.

> > > Just

> > >

> > > because other presidents chose to go to Camp or their ranch,

> > it

> > >

> > > shouldn't matter, period. Family should be off limits. They paid

> > their

> > > way

> > >

> > > for everything else.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Mandatory drug testing. Is it REALLY worth it? Think about the

> > money spent

> > >

> > > to pay for the tests and to hire people (OH NO, more government

> > workers) to

> > >

> > > administer and process this testing and follow up on the whole

> > thing. Talk

> > >

> > > about bureaucracy!! Sure, the government says they are only

> > looking for

> > >

> > > drugs, but imagine what else they can glean from one's urine? Can

> > we be

> > >

> > > absolutely sure they are only testing for drugs? And if the food

> > stamp

> > >

> > > dollars get parents that are using drugs, food for their children

> > rather

> > >

> > > than starving, then I'm okay with that....

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> > > > Absolutely,I am with you. I don't think all poor ppl abuse the

> > system,

> > > but

> > >

> > > > I work for a city hospital and I see a lot of it too, a lot of

> > " I am

> > >

> > > > entitled " instead of " thank you " . so there are all kinds and I

> > am all for

> > >

> > > > supporting the poor, and I agree - abuse is everywhere to this

> > extant or

> > > the

> > >

> > > > other, but we should strive to do everything possible to

> > eliminate it to

> > >

> > > > minimum. I would love to hear more details, and yes, I would

> > love to hear

> > > it

> > >

> > > > is all fiction, but I believe this is also too good to be true.

> > It does

> > > not

> > >

> > > > stop me from continuing giving to charities, bc I know the $$$

> > is mostly

> > >

> > > > used for good, but would like to know everything is done to

> > prevent the

> > > bad.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

> > >

> > > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the

> > > moments

> > >

> > > > that take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget

> > the

> > > truth,

> > >

> > > > they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

> > >

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> > > > To: rd-usa

> > >

> > > > From: jenniferschmerge@...

> > >

> > > > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:49:34 -0800

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> > > > Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

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> > > > I am just tired of reading so many threads that are so negative

> > > about

> > >

> > > > the poor. Fraud and taxes are always going to be apart of life.

> > I live

> > > in

> > >

> > > > one of the most expensive and wasteful states in the nation, so

> > I am no

> > >

> > > > stranger to paying very high taxes, and not seeing a whole lot

> > become of

> > > it.

> > >

> > > > This has been going on here for many decades, no matter what

> > party is in

> > >

> > > > power in our state capitol and in Washington.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > I have stopped being so angry and just try to help when I can.

> > NPR gave

> > > the

> > >

> > > > best description of Californians.. " We want everything but we

> > don't want

> > > to

> > >

> > > > pay for it " .

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > I live in a very financially mixed city. Very poor to very rich.

> > I see

> > >

> > > > poor people everyday where I shop, schools, etc., and it is

> > really hard

> > > for

> > >

> > > > me to imagine them buying an airline ticket and skipping off to

> > Hawaii

> > > after

> > >

> > > > digging in the discount bins at Ross and Goodwill,going through

> > my trash

> > > for

> > >

> > > > recyclables on trash day, and buying food with foodstamps. It just

> > > doesn't

> > >

> > > > do it for me. There has got to be more to the story.

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> > > > > > Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing

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> > > >

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> > > > > money in vacation/exotic locations

> > >

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> > > > > > To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

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> > > > > > Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 3:22 PM

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> > > > > > either way its a fraud, and should be investigated and

> > >

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> > > > > not

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> > > > > > assumed welfare money being hacked right away. There

> > >

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> > > > > might

> > >

> > > >

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> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > be something to it and if so - there should be

> > >

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> > > > > > something done for better protection of these cards

> > >

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> > > > > to

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> > >

> > > >

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> > > > > > protect against hacking/identity theft. and what if

> > >

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> > >

> > > > > you

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > found out that the welfare cards where sold for cash

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > and

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > that's how it was " hacked " ? All possible, maybe yes,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > maybe

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > not, but we can't just dismiss it!

> > >

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> > > > > > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > police.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

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I'm just really glad they aren't taking off for the ranch every other week and

having 'hunting' accidents with their buddies. Good old boys get away with a lot

more then the rest of us.

R Vajda, R.D.

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To: rd-usa <rd-usa >

Sent: Tue, February 15, 2011 9:37:11 PM

Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in vacation/exotic

locations

you are not in office, or at least, I didn't elect you.its called leadership.I

am not asking Buffet where is he going or when on his vacations. but when in the

WH, more sensitivity and courtesy is required, you are representing the ppl not

yourself, vacation or not!. IDK, maybe I have too high standards, I have been

accused of that before. I can live (not leave!) with that accusation :)And yes

- that was a typo - and no, not comparing you with Gibbs, but thought you

could replace him since he is leaving the position, Obama could use a good PR.

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

" Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments that

take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget the truth, they just

become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

To: rd-usa

From: jenzingaro@...

Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 21:27:56 -0500

Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in vacation/exotic

locations

Wow, I'm not surprised... of everything I had to say, you'd focus on this

and try to compare me to Gibbs (I assume you meant leaving the position, not

living).

Sorry, I think freedom applies to everyone, including the first family. If

they are paying for the vacation, they can go wherever they want, whenever.

I remember hearing people complain about Bush also, and I think that was

wrong too. People are entitled to do what they want on their vacation. I

wouldn't want anyone criticizing me.

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> wow... I heard Gibbs is living the position.... ;)This is the beauty of

> the USA, we could argue about everything we want, w/o taking it personally

> (I know I didn't) and when you are in the WH, you should expect criticism.

> It comes with the territory. I am sure it was much more liked to punch-bag

> GWB.All I am trying to say, when you are in the WH you should be an example

> for all of us, not taking expensive vacation, they could have waited for the

> father Obama to get out of office (4 or 8 years) to take that vocation,

> meanwhile they could have taken a more humble vacation within the US,

> children education....come on. No need to be so flashy in time of bad

> economy. I can't see why it is so hard to understand! I am NOT against them

> having a vacation. I am against their bad taste of choice at that specific

> time in our economical hx! just a bit of sensitivity on behalf of our

> elected officials AND THEIR FAMILIES!

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> Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

> http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

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> " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments

> that take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget the truth,

> they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

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> To: rd-usa

> From: jenzingaro@...

> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:58:23 -0500

> Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

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> Let's remember that smoking and drinking and drugs are all addictions....

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> and they are very hard to beat. Sure, people should not have started in

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> where they are going. They would have had travel and security paid by us

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> educational opportunity for her children to see how other people live.

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> shouldn't matter, period. Family should be off limits. They paid their

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> Mandatory drug testing. Is it REALLY worth it? Think about the money spent

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> to pay for the tests and to hire people (OH NO, more government workers) to

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> administer and process this testing and follow up on the whole thing. Talk

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> about bureaucracy!! Sure, the government says they are only looking for

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> drugs, but imagine what else they can glean from one's urine? Can we be

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> absolutely sure they are only testing for drugs? And if the food stamp

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> > I work for a city hospital and I see a lot of it too, a lot of " I am

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> > entitled " instead of " thank you " . so there are all kinds and I am all for

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> > supporting the poor, and I agree - abuse is everywhere to this extant or

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> > minimum. I would love to hear more details, and yes, I would love to hear

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> > is all fiction, but I believe this is also too good to be true. It does

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> > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

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> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

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> > " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the

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> > To: rd-usa

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> > From: jenniferschmerge@...

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I'm just really glad they aren't taking off for the ranch every other week and

having 'hunting' accidents with their buddies. Good old boys get away with a lot

more then the rest of us.

R Vajda, R.D.

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To: rd-usa <rd-usa >

Sent: Tue, February 15, 2011 9:37:11 PM

Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in vacation/exotic

locations

you are not in office, or at least, I didn't elect you.its called leadership.I

am not asking Buffet where is he going or when on his vacations. but when in the

WH, more sensitivity and courtesy is required, you are representing the ppl not

yourself, vacation or not!. IDK, maybe I have too high standards, I have been

accused of that before. I can live (not leave!) with that accusation :)And yes

- that was a typo - and no, not comparing you with Gibbs, but thought you

could replace him since he is leaving the position, Obama could use a good PR.

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

" Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments that

take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget the truth, they just

become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

To: rd-usa

From: jenzingaro@...

Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 21:27:56 -0500

Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in vacation/exotic

locations

Wow, I'm not surprised... of everything I had to say, you'd focus on this

and try to compare me to Gibbs (I assume you meant leaving the position, not

living).

Sorry, I think freedom applies to everyone, including the first family. If

they are paying for the vacation, they can go wherever they want, whenever.

I remember hearing people complain about Bush also, and I think that was

wrong too. People are entitled to do what they want on their vacation. I

wouldn't want anyone criticizing me.

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> wow... I heard Gibbs is living the position.... ;)This is the beauty of

> the USA, we could argue about everything we want, w/o taking it personally

> (I know I didn't) and when you are in the WH, you should expect criticism.

> It comes with the territory. I am sure it was much more liked to punch-bag

> GWB.All I am trying to say, when you are in the WH you should be an example

> for all of us, not taking expensive vacation, they could have waited for the

> father Obama to get out of office (4 or 8 years) to take that vocation,

> meanwhile they could have taken a more humble vacation within the US,

> children education....come on. No need to be so flashy in time of bad

> economy. I can't see why it is so hard to understand! I am NOT against them

> having a vacation. I am against their bad taste of choice at that specific

> time in our economical hx! just a bit of sensitivity on behalf of our

> elected officials AND THEIR FAMILIES!

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> Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

> http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

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> " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments

> that take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget the truth,

> they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

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> To: rd-usa

> From: jenzingaro@...

> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:58:23 -0500

> Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

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> and they are very hard to beat. Sure, people should not have started in

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> > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

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Whoooo, hot chocolate all around. :))

Jakcie Chase RD

Dillingham AK

>

> wow ... how did you come to the conclusion that I have something against Gibbs

it is a stressful job and everything you said about him/the position is 100%

right.

> Ladies - at this point I have one suggestion:

> Pillow Fight :)))

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> Good night

>

> Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

> http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

>

> " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments

that take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget the truth, they

just become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

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> > To: rd-usa

> > From: pcharney@...

> > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 18:36:42 -0800

> > Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

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> > Agree entirely, Jen.

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> > Yes, Gibbs resigned. That's fairly typical of White House press

> > secretaries. It's a high pressure, high visibility job. Most don't

> > last that long. ly, I'm surprised he lasted so long and did well.

> > He was actually filling 1.5-2 positions for quite some time. As Jen

> > mentioned, I'm not sure what the comparison is. I wish Mr Gibbs well.

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> > If Mrs Obama went to Spain with her children, while I would dearly

> > hope I'd get a postcard and/or a t-shirt, it is her choice. If she

> > goes while her husband is in the White House, how is that hurting you?

> > Is the American public so confused that we somehow think the First

> > Lady is setting policy or somehow doing damage to our survival by

> > taking her children to Spain? To be honest, I'm glad that she and her

> > children did such a good job as ambassadors for America. There have

> > been times that I've been overseas and seen Americans behaving badly.

> > Very badly.

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> > I do recall the criticisms of both of the Bush's. That's not unique to

> > anyone in the Presidency. No matter what you do, someone's going to be

> > unhappy. I'm sure the Obama family made a vacation decision that was

> > in part based on their ability to expose the children to a wide

> > variety of cultures, geography, and language. More power to them.

> > Hopefully they'll grow up to put that learning to use for their

> > country. If they choose to do that now or in 8 years, what is the

> > difference? When Chelsea Clinton got married, there was criticism of

> > the cost of her wedding. To be honest, I don't care who paid for it.

> > But it goes to show that there are some in this country who will find

> > fault no matter what the choice is and when it's made.

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> > Can we get back to putting our heads together to figure out how to

> > make sure that EVERYONE in this country is able to go to bed without

> > feeling the fear, anger and shame associated with poverty and hunger?

> >

> > Thanks

> > pam

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> > Pam Charney

> > pcharney@...

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> >

> > > Wow, I'm not surprised... of everything I had to say, you'd focus on

> > > this

> > > and try to compare me to Gibbs (I assume you meant leaving the

> > > position, not

> > > living).

> > >

> > > Sorry, I think freedom applies to everyone, including the first

> > > family. If

> > > they are paying for the vacation, they can go wherever they want,

> > > whenever.

> > > I remember hearing people complain about Bush also, and I think that

> > > was

> > > wrong too. People are entitled to do what they want on their

> > > vacation. I

> > > wouldn't want anyone criticizing me.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > wow... I heard Gibbs is living the position.... ;)This is the

> > > beauty of

> > > > the USA, we could argue about everything we want, w/o taking it

> > > personally

> > > > (I know I didn't) and when you are in the WH, you should expect

> > > criticism.

> > > > It comes with the territory. I am sure it was much more liked to

> > > punch-bag

> > > > GWB.All I am trying to say, when you are in the WH you should be

> > > an example

> > > > for all of us, not taking expensive vacation, they could have

> > > waited for the

> > > > father Obama to get out of office (4 or 8 years) to take that

> > > vocation,

> > > > meanwhile they could have taken a more humble vacation within the

> > > US,

> > > > children education....come on. No need to be so flashy in time of

> > > bad

> > > > economy. I can't see why it is so hard to understand! I am NOT

> > > against them

> > > > having a vacation. I am against their bad taste of choice at that

> > > specific

> > > > time in our economical hx! just a bit of sensitivity on behalf of

> > > our

> > > > elected officials AND THEIR FAMILIES!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

> > > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

> > > >

> > > > " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the

> > > moments

> > > > that take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget

> > > the truth,

> > > > they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > To: rd-usa

> > > > From: jenzingaro@...

> > > > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:58:23 -0500

> > > > Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

> > > > vacation/exotic locations

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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> > > >

> > > > I can't believe we are having ANOTHER discussion about this. We all

> > > > know

> > > >

> > > > where everyone stands by now on social/political issues.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Let's remember that smoking and drinking and drugs are all

> > > addictions....

> > > >

> > > > and they are very hard to beat. Sure, people should not have

> > > started in

> > > > the

> > > >

> > > > first place, but I'm guessing a lot of time life is stressful and

> > > perhaps

> > > >

> > > > they turn to something like that. We can't even agree to provide

> > > the poor

> > > >

> > > > food and healthcare, let alone rehab/mental health services.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Also, the first lady and her children didn't run for political

> > > office.

> > > >

> > > > There is no justification to begrudge them their vacation trips,

> > > no matter

> > > >

> > > > where they are going. They would have had travel and security paid

> > > by us

> > > >

> > > > irregardless and rightfully so. I'm sure a trip to Spain is a

> > > wonderful

> > > >

> > > > educational opportunity for her children to see how other people

> > > live.

> > > > Just

> > > >

> > > > because other presidents chose to go to Camp or their ranch,

> > > it

> > > >

> > > > shouldn't matter, period. Family should be off limits. They paid

> > > their

> > > > way

> > > >

> > > > for everything else.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Mandatory drug testing. Is it REALLY worth it? Think about the

> > > money spent

> > > >

> > > > to pay for the tests and to hire people (OH NO, more government

> > > workers) to

> > > >

> > > > administer and process this testing and follow up on the whole

> > > thing. Talk

> > > >

> > > > about bureaucracy!! Sure, the government says they are only

> > > looking for

> > > >

> > > > drugs, but imagine what else they can glean from one's urine? Can

> > > we be

> > > >

> > > > absolutely sure they are only testing for drugs? And if the food

> > > stamp

> > > >

> > > > dollars get parents that are using drugs, food for their children

> > > rather

> > > >

> > > > than starving, then I'm okay with that....

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Absolutely,I am with you. I don't think all poor ppl abuse the

> > > system,

> > > > but

> > > >

> > > > > I work for a city hospital and I see a lot of it too, a lot of

> > > " I am

> > > >

> > > > > entitled " instead of " thank you " . so there are all kinds and I

> > > am all for

> > > >

> > > > > supporting the poor, and I agree - abuse is everywhere to this

> > > extant or

> > > > the

> > > >

> > > > > other, but we should strive to do everything possible to

> > > eliminate it to

> > > >

> > > > > minimum. I would love to hear more details, and yes, I would

> > > love to hear

> > > > it

> > > >

> > > > > is all fiction, but I believe this is also too good to be true.

> > > It does

> > > > not

> > > >

> > > > > stop me from continuing giving to charities, bc I know the $$$

> > > is mostly

> > > >

> > > > > used for good, but would like to know everything is done to

> > > prevent the

> > > > bad.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

> > > >

> > > > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the

> > > > moments

> > > >

> > > > > that take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget

> > > the

> > > > truth,

> > > >

> > > > > they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > To: rd-usa

> > > >

> > > > > From: jenniferschmerge@...

> > > >

> > > > > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:49:34 -0800

> > > >

> > > > > Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

> > > >

> > > > > vacation/exotic locations

> > > >

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> > > > > I am just tired of reading so many threads that are so negative

> > > > about

> > > >

> > > > > the poor. Fraud and taxes are always going to be apart of life.

> > > I live

> > > > in

> > > >

> > > > > one of the most expensive and wasteful states in the nation, so

> > > I am no

> > > >

> > > > > stranger to paying very high taxes, and not seeing a whole lot

> > > become of

> > > > it.

> > > >

> > > > > This has been going on here for many decades, no matter what

> > > party is in

> > > >

> > > > > power in our state capitol and in Washington.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > I have stopped being so angry and just try to help when I can.

> > > NPR gave

> > > > the

> > > >

> > > > > best description of Californians.. " We want everything but we

> > > don't want

> > > > to

> > > >

> > > > > pay for it " .

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > I live in a very financially mixed city. Very poor to very rich.

> > > I see

> > > >

> > > > > poor people everyday where I shop, schools, etc., and it is

> > > really hard

> > > > for

> > > >

> > > > > me to imagine them buying an airline ticket and skipping off to

> > > Hawaii

> > > > after

> > > >

> > > > > digging in the discount bins at Ross and Goodwill,going through

> > > my trash

> > > > for

> > > >

> > > > > recyclables on trash day, and buying food with foodstamps. It just

> > > > doesn't

> > > >

> > > > > do it for me. There has got to be more to the story.

> > > >

> > > > >

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> > > > > > > Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > money in vacation/exotic locations

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 3:22 PM

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > either way its a fraud, and should be investigated and

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > not

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > assumed welfare money being hacked right away. There

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > might

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > be something to it and if so - there should be

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > something done for better protection of these cards

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > to

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > protect against hacking/identity theft. and what if

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > you

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > found out that the welfare cards where sold for cash

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > and

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > that's how it was " hacked " ? All possible, maybe yes,

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > maybe

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > not, but we can't just dismiss it!

> > > >

> > > > >

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> > > >

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> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > police.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

> > > >

> > > > >

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> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > " Life is not measured by the number of breath you

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > take, but

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > by the moments that take your breath away. " -

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Carlin

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > " People don't forget the truth, they just become

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > better in

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > lying " (Revolutionary Road)

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> > > > > > > To: rd-usa

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

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> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > From: jackiechase66@...

> > > >

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> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:49:49 -0800

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> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing

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> > > > > > > It wasn't that long ago

> > > >

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> > > > > > that my debit

> > > >

> > > > >

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> > > > > >

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> > > > > > > football team in jolly old England. Living in Alaska

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > made

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> > > > > > > research on where this debit came from. If it can be

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > done

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

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> > > > > > > it will be hacked. It

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> > > > > > > may not be the recipients that are gaining from this

> > > >

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> > > > > > but

> > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > someone else. Welfare

> > > >

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> > > > > > > abuse has been around as long as welfare. Will we be

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Jakcie Chase RD

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> wow ... how did you come to the conclusion that I have something against Gibbs

it is a stressful job and everything you said about him/the position is 100%

right.

> Ladies - at this point I have one suggestion:

> Pillow Fight :)))

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> Good night

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> Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

> http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

>

> " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments

that take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget the truth, they

just become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

>

> > To: rd-usa

> > From: pcharney@...

> > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 18:36:42 -0800

> > Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

vacation/exotic locations

> >

> > Agree entirely, Jen.

> >

> > Yes, Gibbs resigned. That's fairly typical of White House press

> > secretaries. It's a high pressure, high visibility job. Most don't

> > last that long. ly, I'm surprised he lasted so long and did well.

> > He was actually filling 1.5-2 positions for quite some time. As Jen

> > mentioned, I'm not sure what the comparison is. I wish Mr Gibbs well.

> >

> > If Mrs Obama went to Spain with her children, while I would dearly

> > hope I'd get a postcard and/or a t-shirt, it is her choice. If she

> > goes while her husband is in the White House, how is that hurting you?

> > Is the American public so confused that we somehow think the First

> > Lady is setting policy or somehow doing damage to our survival by

> > taking her children to Spain? To be honest, I'm glad that she and her

> > children did such a good job as ambassadors for America. There have

> > been times that I've been overseas and seen Americans behaving badly.

> > Very badly.

> >

> > I do recall the criticisms of both of the Bush's. That's not unique to

> > anyone in the Presidency. No matter what you do, someone's going to be

> > unhappy. I'm sure the Obama family made a vacation decision that was

> > in part based on their ability to expose the children to a wide

> > variety of cultures, geography, and language. More power to them.

> > Hopefully they'll grow up to put that learning to use for their

> > country. If they choose to do that now or in 8 years, what is the

> > difference? When Chelsea Clinton got married, there was criticism of

> > the cost of her wedding. To be honest, I don't care who paid for it.

> > But it goes to show that there are some in this country who will find

> > fault no matter what the choice is and when it's made.

> >

> > Can we get back to putting our heads together to figure out how to

> > make sure that EVERYONE in this country is able to go to bed without

> > feeling the fear, anger and shame associated with poverty and hunger?

> >

> > Thanks

> > pam

> >

> > Pam Charney

> > pcharney@...

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> > > Wow, I'm not surprised... of everything I had to say, you'd focus on

> > > this

> > > and try to compare me to Gibbs (I assume you meant leaving the

> > > position, not

> > > living).

> > >

> > > Sorry, I think freedom applies to everyone, including the first

> > > family. If

> > > they are paying for the vacation, they can go wherever they want,

> > > whenever.

> > > I remember hearing people complain about Bush also, and I think that

> > > was

> > > wrong too. People are entitled to do what they want on their

> > > vacation. I

> > > wouldn't want anyone criticizing me.

> > >

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> > > >

> > > > wow... I heard Gibbs is living the position.... ;)This is the

> > > beauty of

> > > > the USA, we could argue about everything we want, w/o taking it

> > > personally

> > > > (I know I didn't) and when you are in the WH, you should expect

> > > criticism.

> > > > It comes with the territory. I am sure it was much more liked to

> > > punch-bag

> > > > GWB.All I am trying to say, when you are in the WH you should be

> > > an example

> > > > for all of us, not taking expensive vacation, they could have

> > > waited for the

> > > > father Obama to get out of office (4 or 8 years) to take that

> > > vocation,

> > > > meanwhile they could have taken a more humble vacation within the

> > > US,

> > > > children education....come on. No need to be so flashy in time of

> > > bad

> > > > economy. I can't see why it is so hard to understand! I am NOT

> > > against them

> > > > having a vacation. I am against their bad taste of choice at that

> > > specific

> > > > time in our economical hx! just a bit of sensitivity on behalf of

> > > our

> > > > elected officials AND THEIR FAMILIES!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

> > > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

> > > >

> > > > " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the

> > > moments

> > > > that take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget

> > > the truth,

> > > > they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

> > > >

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> > > >

> > > > To: rd-usa

> > > > From: jenzingaro@...

> > > > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:58:23 -0500

> > > > Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

> > > > vacation/exotic locations

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> > > > I can't believe we are having ANOTHER discussion about this. We all

> > > > know

> > > >

> > > > where everyone stands by now on social/political issues.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Let's remember that smoking and drinking and drugs are all

> > > addictions....

> > > >

> > > > and they are very hard to beat. Sure, people should not have

> > > started in

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> > > >

> > > > first place, but I'm guessing a lot of time life is stressful and

> > > perhaps

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> > > > they turn to something like that. We can't even agree to provide

> > > the poor

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> > > > food and healthcare, let alone rehab/mental health services.

> > > >

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> > > > Also, the first lady and her children didn't run for political

> > > office.

> > > >

> > > > There is no justification to begrudge them their vacation trips,

> > > no matter

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> > > > where they are going. They would have had travel and security paid

> > > by us

> > > >

> > > > irregardless and rightfully so. I'm sure a trip to Spain is a

> > > wonderful

> > > >

> > > > educational opportunity for her children to see how other people

> > > live.

> > > > Just

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> > > > because other presidents chose to go to Camp or their ranch,

> > > it

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> > > > shouldn't matter, period. Family should be off limits. They paid

> > > their

> > > > way

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> > > > for everything else.

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> > > >

> > > > Mandatory drug testing. Is it REALLY worth it? Think about the

> > > money spent

> > > >

> > > > to pay for the tests and to hire people (OH NO, more government

> > > workers) to

> > > >

> > > > administer and process this testing and follow up on the whole

> > > thing. Talk

> > > >

> > > > about bureaucracy!! Sure, the government says they are only

> > > looking for

> > > >

> > > > drugs, but imagine what else they can glean from one's urine? Can

> > > we be

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> > > > absolutely sure they are only testing for drugs? And if the food

> > > stamp

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> > > > dollars get parents that are using drugs, food for their children

> > > rather

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> > > > than starving, then I'm okay with that....

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> > > > > Absolutely,I am with you. I don't think all poor ppl abuse the

> > > system,

> > > > but

> > > >

> > > > > I work for a city hospital and I see a lot of it too, a lot of

> > > " I am

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> > > > > entitled " instead of " thank you " . so there are all kinds and I

> > > am all for

> > > >

> > > > > supporting the poor, and I agree - abuse is everywhere to this

> > > extant or

> > > > the

> > > >

> > > > > other, but we should strive to do everything possible to

> > > eliminate it to

> > > >

> > > > > minimum. I would love to hear more details, and yes, I would

> > > love to hear

> > > > it

> > > >

> > > > > is all fiction, but I believe this is also too good to be true.

> > > It does

> > > > not

> > > >

> > > > > stop me from continuing giving to charities, bc I know the $$$

> > > is mostly

> > > >

> > > > > used for good, but would like to know everything is done to

> > > prevent the

> > > > bad.

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> > > > > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

> > > >

> > > > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

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> > > > > " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the

> > > > moments

> > > >

> > > > > that take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget

> > > the

> > > > truth,

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> > > > > they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

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> > > > > To: rd-usa

> > > >

> > > > > From: jenniferschmerge@...

> > > >

> > > > > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:49:34 -0800

> > > >

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> > > > > I am just tired of reading so many threads that are so negative

> > > > about

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> > > > > the poor. Fraud and taxes are always going to be apart of life.

> > > I live

> > > > in

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> > > > > one of the most expensive and wasteful states in the nation, so

> > > I am no

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> > > > > stranger to paying very high taxes, and not seeing a whole lot

> > > become of

> > > > it.

> > > >

> > > > > This has been going on here for many decades, no matter what

> > > party is in

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> > > > > power in our state capitol and in Washington.

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> > > > > I have stopped being so angry and just try to help when I can.

> > > NPR gave

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> > > > > best description of Californians.. " We want everything but we

> > > don't want

> > > > to

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> > > > > pay for it " .

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> > > > > I live in a very financially mixed city. Very poor to very rich.

> > > I see

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> > > > > poor people everyday where I shop, schools, etc., and it is

> > > really hard

> > > > for

> > > >

> > > > > me to imagine them buying an airline ticket and skipping off to

> > > Hawaii

> > > > after

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> > > > > digging in the discount bins at Ross and Goodwill,going through

> > > my trash

> > > > for

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> > > > > recyclables on trash day, and buying food with foodstamps. It just

> > > > doesn't

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> > > > > do it for me. There has got to be more to the story.

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If we all know where everyone stands on these issues, then why tell us yours? I

disagree with just letting president's families' spend tax dollars for

vacations, etc. any way they choose. But then, you already knew my stance on

this, so why are you reading it?

W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT

Long Term Care Consulting

Montana State Hospital

Montana Developmental Center

Certified LEAP Therapist

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of Jen

Zingaro

Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 6:58 PM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Re: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in vacation/exotic

locations

I can't believe we are having ANOTHER discussion about this. We all know

where everyone stands by now on social/political issues.

Let's remember that smoking and drinking and drugs are all addictions....

and they are very hard to beat. Sure, people should not have started in the

first place, but I'm guessing a lot of time life is stressful and perhaps

they turn to something like that. We can't even agree to provide the poor

food and healthcare, let alone rehab/mental health services.

Also, the first lady and her children didn't run for political office.

There is no justification to begrudge them their vacation trips, no matter

where they are going. They would have had travel and security paid by us

irregardless and rightfully so. I'm sure a trip to Spain is a wonderful

educational opportunity for her children to see how other people live. Just

because other presidents chose to go to Camp or their ranch, it

shouldn't matter, period. Family should be off limits. They paid their way

for everything else.

Mandatory drug testing. Is it REALLY worth it? Think about the money spent

to pay for the tests and to hire people (OH NO, more government workers) to

administer and process this testing and follow up on the whole thing. Talk

about bureaucracy!! Sure, the government says they are only looking for

drugs, but imagine what else they can glean from one's urine? Can we be

absolutely sure they are only testing for drugs? And if the food stamp

dollars get parents that are using drugs, food for their children rather

than starving, then I'm okay with that....

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Merav Levi

<meravls@...<mailto:meravls%40msn.com>> wrote:

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> Absolutely,I am with you. I don't think all poor ppl abuse the system, but

> I work for a city hospital and I see a lot of it too, a lot of " I am

> entitled " instead of " thank you " . so there are all kinds and I am all for

> supporting the poor, and I agree - abuse is everywhere to this extant or the

> other, but we should strive to do everything possible to eliminate it to

> minimum. I would love to hear more details, and yes, I would love to hear it

> is all fiction, but I believe this is also too good to be true. It does not

> stop me from continuing giving to charities, bc I know the $$$ is mostly

> used for good, but would like to know everything is done to prevent the bad.

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> Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDNA dietitian, not the food police.

> http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

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> " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments

> that take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget the truth,

> they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road)

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> To: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> From: jenniferschmerge@...<mailto:jenniferschmerge%40yahoo.com>

> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:49:34 -0800

> Subject: RE: Welfare Recepients withdrawing money in

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> stranger to paying very high taxes, and not seeing a whole lot become of it.

> This has been going on here for many decades, no matter what party is in

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> best description of Californians.. " We want everything but we don't want to

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> me to imagine them buying an airline ticket and skipping off to Hawaii after

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and the difference is????

the mortgage deduction is a program that assists homeowners. SNAP assists with

buying food. Both are costs to the government

Debra

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> > ly, I'm rather tired of this sort of incendiary reporting.

> > Remember, the press also reported on the now infamous Bachman

> > comment that the US was spending billions on the President's trip to

> > India. If you haven't heard, that wasn't the truth either.

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> > It's very easy to blame those who don't have a voice, isn't it? I'd be

> > willing to bet that the vast majority of those receiving aid are not

> > off vacationing on your dollar.

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> > BTW, there have been pilot tests of drug testing for aid recipients.

> > Guess what? The rates were no higher than rates in the general public.

> > It's sort of not Constitutional, according to some who believe in the

> > right to privacy. Mind you, when I was in the Army, the right to

> > privacy did not apply and so yes, I was subject to random drug

> > testing. It's expensive to do right. Since the current atmosphere is

> > to cut funding rather than spend more, who is going to volunteer to

> > pay for drug testing?

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> > Pam Charney

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