Re: New to group - 20 wk options?

[Guest guest]

Barb,

>Does anyone know:

>1-Is there a fibroid size limit to any of the options discussed here -

> UAE in particular?

Some UAE doctors say there's a limit, others say there isn't - some, for

instance, won't do UAE if the uterus is above the navel. Anecdotally, women

who've had problems with UAE have tended to have had larger fibroids (say

over about 10 cm). I don't know about any restrictions with myo, but I'm

sure others will.

>2-How do you decide which option is best for you?

That's a tough question. It depends on so many things - whether insurance

coverage might be a problem, for example. Myo is supposedly better for

preserving fertility although many women have got pregnant after UAE. UAE

is much less invasive with a far quicker recovery time, and the fibroids

(in the vast majority of cases) don't seem to grow back, but shrinkage is

variable. If you want to be sure they're completely gone, myo is obviously

better, although it's more major surgery and there's a high regrowth rate.

And remember you can always have a myo if UAE fails, so it might not be an

either/or option.

>3-How are you finding doctors to tailor the treatment to your

>specific situation?

Research and word of mouth.

>4-Has anyone experienced shrinkage through diets and/or supplements?

Personally, I haven't - my fibroids didn't grow using Chinese herbs and

acupuncture, but they didn't shrink either.

Carolyn

[Guest guest]

Since everyone has such different symptoms the option that's best for you

will be tailored to what symptoms you are enduring. It sounds like bulk

symptoms are your real problem as the fibroid is pressing on nearby

organs. My approach was to go with the least invasive alternative

first. My symptoms were bleeding so that's what I was addressing. For

you, I think size is more important, what you need is some shrinkage. I

don't think you really can get shrinkage from diet or supplements. This

approach can sometimes help with some of the symptoms, but I don't believe

actually shrink the fibroid.

So, going from least invasive first, UAE might be right for you. Since

fertility is not an issue and it sounds like your fibroid is not submucosal

(within the uterus), this may be the way to go for you. I would suggest

talking to a few Interventional Radiologists that have performed this

procedure and see what they have to say about the size of your fibroid.

If that isn't an option for you, then probably myomectomy is your next

thing to research.

I would ask all the doctors you see for things, friends, women on this

list, and basically anyone you think might have a lead for referrals to

doctors that you could consult with. I would try and get as much feedback

as you can from the various doctors. I think when you do that, the answer

becomes clear to you what to do and who to have do it.

You sound like you are off to a good start with the questions you posted

here. Good luck to you in your search.

Sydney

At 11:20 PM 4/22/2001 +0000, you wrote:

>1-Is there a fibroid size limit to any of the options discussed here -

> UAE in particular?

>2-How do you decide which option is best for you?

>3-How are you finding doctors to tailor the treatment to your

>specific situation?

>4-Has anyone experienced shrinkage through diets and/or supplements?

[Guest guest]

Carolyn,

Read a book by Dr Lee that natural progesterone cream with wild yam extract

helps to shrink fibroid size. Don't know how far this is true. Is there

anybody out there who have tried this? Would be most happy to get some " real "

feedback as I just had a myo and my gynae said that there is always a

possibility that new fibroids may grow. I would prefer alternative natural

supplements rather than synthetic medications which may come with side effects.

Trudy

Carolyn Claridge wrote:

Barb,

>Does anyone know:

>1-Is there a fibroid size limit to any of the options discussed here -

> UAE in particular?

Some UAE doctors say there's a limit, others say there isn't - some, for

instance, won't do UAE if the uterus is above the navel. Anecdotally, women

who've had problems with UAE have tended to have had larger fibroids (say

over about 10 cm). I don't know about any restrictions with myo, but I'm

sure others will.

>2-How do you decide which option is best for you?

That's a tough question. It depends on so many things - whether insurance

coverage might be a problem, for example. Myo is supposedly better for

preserving fertility although many women have got pregnant after UAE. UAE

is much less invasive with a far quicker recovery time, and the fibroids

(in the vast majority of cases) don't seem to grow back, but shrinkage is

variable. If you want to be sure they're completely gone, myo is obviously

better, although it's more major surgery and there's a high regrowth rate.

And remember you can always have a myo if UAE fails, so it might not be an

either/or option.

>3-How are you finding doctors to tailor the treatment to your

>specific situation?

Research and word of mouth.

>4-Has anyone experienced shrinkage through diets and/or supplements?

Personally, I haven't - my fibroids didn't grow using Chinese herbs and

acupuncture, but they didn't shrink either.

Carolyn

[Guest guest]

Trudy wrote: " Read a book by Dr Lee that natural progesterone cream with

wild yam extract helps to shrink fibroid size. Don't know how far this is

true. "

Please search the archives for messages about natural progesterone. While you

will find that some women are happy with it, quite a few reported that their

fibroids grew while using the cream. Dr Lee does not seem to have any evidence

to back up his claims, and there is other evidence suggesting that progesterone

as well as oestrogen is needed for fibroid growth.

If you still want to try it, I would suggest two things. 1) hormonal testing to

make sure you really do have an imbalance (high oestrogen/low progesterone) 2)

only try if your fibroids are not very large and you can risk the possibility

that the cream might promote growth.

A woman with a 20 week uterus (I don't know what sizes her individual fibroids

are) would not be advised to allow it to get much larger at all before she goes

for a more invasive option such as UAE or myomectomy. She could try alternative

treatments, preferably under supervision of an experienced therapist, but

should be watching carefully for any growth. Herbalists prefer to treat

fibroids with dimensions less than 4 cm. UAE and surgery seem to be best with

fibroids less than 10 cm, even though larger ones can be treated. Anecdotally,

alternative treatments are more successful at alleviating symptoms than at

reducing tumour size.

Progesterone is accepted conventionally as a treatment to reduce bleeding

symptoms.

It may also be useful for menopausal symptoms.

I thought Carolyn and Sydney gave good answers to the questions posed in the

original " New to group - 20 wk options? " message (digest #431)

The possibility of kidney enlargement is another reason why Barb F probably

shouldn't delay too much in arranging embolisation or surgery.

red clover - it is rich in isoflavones, types of phytoestrogen, like soy

Used for menopausal symptoms

There are very opposing views of whether or not women with fibroids should

increase their isoflavone intake.

chapparal - I don't know much about this plant, supposed to be anti-tumour but

also has dangerous side effects It was mentioned on the

HealingFromFibroidsNaturally yahoo groups.

Remember that herbs (and any medicines) interact with each other; it's best to

get expert advice

The low intake of meat and dairy, corresponding increase of fruit, veg and whole

grains, and preference for organic products are generally good for your health

and for the environment.

[Guest guest]

Trudy wrote: " Read a book by Dr Lee that natural progesterone cream with

wild yam extract helps to shrink fibroid size. Don't know how far this is

true. "

Please search the archives for messages about natural progesterone. While you

will find that some women are happy with it, quite a few reported that their

fibroids grew while using the cream. Dr Lee does not seem to have any evidence

to back up his claims, and there is other evidence suggesting that progesterone

as well as oestrogen is needed for fibroid growth.

If you still want to try it, I would suggest two things. 1) hormonal testing to

make sure you really do have an imbalance (high oestrogen/low progesterone) 2)

only try if your fibroids are not very large and you can risk the possibility

that the cream might promote growth.

A woman with a 20 week uterus (I don't know what sizes her individual fibroids

are) would not be advised to allow it to get much larger at all before she goes

for a more invasive option such as UAE or myomectomy. She could try alternative

treatments, preferably under supervision of an experienced therapist, but

should be watching carefully for any growth. Herbalists prefer to treat

fibroids with dimensions less than 4 cm. UAE and surgery seem to be best with

fibroids less than 10 cm, even though larger ones can be treated. Anecdotally,

alternative treatments are more successful at alleviating symptoms than at

reducing tumour size.

Progesterone is accepted conventionally as a treatment to reduce bleeding

symptoms.

It may also be useful for menopausal symptoms.

I thought Carolyn and Sydney gave good answers to the questions posed in the

original " New to group - 20 wk options? " message (digest #431)

The possibility of kidney enlargement is another reason why Barb F probably

shouldn't delay too much in arranging embolisation or surgery.

red clover - it is rich in isoflavones, types of phytoestrogen, like soy

Used for menopausal symptoms

There are very opposing views of whether or not women with fibroids should

increase their isoflavone intake.

chapparal - I don't know much about this plant, supposed to be anti-tumour but

also has dangerous side effects It was mentioned on the

HealingFromFibroidsNaturally yahoo groups.

Remember that herbs (and any medicines) interact with each other; it's best to

get expert advice

The low intake of meat and dairy, corresponding increase of fruit, veg and whole

grains, and preference for organic products are generally good for your health

and for the environment.

[Guest guest]

Barb,

I had UAE for a subserosal fibroid approximately the size you are

describing. I was given the choice of hysterectomy, myomectomy, or

UAE by the well qualified doctors I used. In the end I chose UAE

because it had the lowest risks and the lowest chance of losing my

uterus.

It is my understanding that " size doesn't matter " for the procedure

but size may be an indicator for probable results. The IR who

performed my UAE said, " a fibroid this size may be best treated by

hysterectomy, " and actually he added, " if it was me I would have a

hysterectomy. " He also told me that it would be anticipated that the

fibroid could shrink up to 50%, thus, starting with a huge fibroid I

would still have a big bulk left. He had no hesitation with UAE if

that was my choice.

At one year (May 8) I have had no side affects or problems from the

procedure, it is my belief that large fibroids alone are not more

problematic. My fibroid has shrunk considerable, possibly the 50%, I

quit keeping track. However, I still have more bulk than is

comfortable for me, I would guess that for some women my improvement

would be enough, many symptoms are gone- I want perfection. Life is

much better at present, my fibroids were intolerable a year ago. I

will see how the next months go and consider myomectomy if necessary,

still hanging on to the uterus. The gyn I used initially discussed

following up with myomectomy if I didn't get resolution with the UAE.

I did not achieve resolution to my fibroids with diet and

supplements, however, I do get many positive benefits from

accupressure and herbs, I love the herbs I take and think they are

the best for fibroids. The accrpressure and herbs continue to help a

lot, especially with inflamation type bloating feeling.

Good Luck-

> Hi everyone,

> My fibroids are 20-week size, putting pressure on my bladder and

more

> recently impinging on my ureter. I can feel them low in my abdomen

> and up beyond my belly button and my jeans are getting snug. I'm

> having my kidney checked this week and am looking for options,

having

> been told hyst is the best solution but not wanting that yet. I'm

44

> and hoping to buy a few years until menopause hopefully solves my

> problems.

>

> Does anyone know:

> 1-Is there a fibroid size limit to any of the options discussed

here -

> UAE in particular?

> 2-How do you decide which option is best for you?

> 3-How are you finding doctors to tailor the treatment to your

> specific situation?

> 4-Has anyone experienced shrinkage through diets and/or supplements?

>

> I have tried to watch my intake of meat & dairy from hormone-

treated

> sources and go organic as often as possible. I'm also taking Vitex

> (4000 iu/day), milk thistle and burdock to aid my liver in handling

> excess estrogen, and just added flax seed oil and evening primrose

> oil.

> I started the supplements about a month ago and have read Vitex

takes

> at least 6 months to have any effect. I read something in this

group

> about red clover & chaparral, but have never heard of these

before.

> Any experiences with these or others?

>

> I'm new to the group and forever grateful to have a forum like

this.

> It's comforting to hear stories of people having similar

experiences

> as I am and hear the strength in your voices.

>

> Thanks for your help.

> Barb F.

[Guest guest]

Barb,

I had UAE for a subserosal fibroid approximately the size you are

describing. I was given the choice of hysterectomy, myomectomy, or

UAE by the well qualified doctors I used. In the end I chose UAE

because it had the lowest risks and the lowest chance of losing my

uterus.

It is my understanding that " size doesn't matter " for the procedure

but size may be an indicator for probable results. The IR who

performed my UAE said, " a fibroid this size may be best treated by

hysterectomy, " and actually he added, " if it was me I would have a

hysterectomy. " He also told me that it would be anticipated that the

fibroid could shrink up to 50%, thus, starting with a huge fibroid I

would still have a big bulk left. He had no hesitation with UAE if

that was my choice.

At one year (May 8) I have had no side affects or problems from the

procedure, it is my belief that large fibroids alone are not more

problematic. My fibroid has shrunk considerable, possibly the 50%, I

quit keeping track. However, I still have more bulk than is

comfortable for me, I would guess that for some women my improvement

would be enough, many symptoms are gone- I want perfection. Life is

much better at present, my fibroids were intolerable a year ago. I

will see how the next months go and consider myomectomy if necessary,

still hanging on to the uterus. The gyn I used initially discussed

following up with myomectomy if I didn't get resolution with the UAE.

I did not achieve resolution to my fibroids with diet and

supplements, however, I do get many positive benefits from

accupressure and herbs, I love the herbs I take and think they are

the best for fibroids. The accrpressure and herbs continue to help a

lot, especially with inflamation type bloating feeling.

Good Luck-

> Hi everyone,

> My fibroids are 20-week size, putting pressure on my bladder and

more

> recently impinging on my ureter. I can feel them low in my abdomen

> and up beyond my belly button and my jeans are getting snug. I'm

> having my kidney checked this week and am looking for options,

having

> been told hyst is the best solution but not wanting that yet. I'm

44

> and hoping to buy a few years until menopause hopefully solves my

> problems.

>

> Does anyone know:

> 1-Is there a fibroid size limit to any of the options discussed

here -

> UAE in particular?

> 2-How do you decide which option is best for you?

> 3-How are you finding doctors to tailor the treatment to your

> specific situation?

> 4-Has anyone experienced shrinkage through diets and/or supplements?

>

> I have tried to watch my intake of meat & dairy from hormone-

treated

> sources and go organic as often as possible. I'm also taking Vitex

> (4000 iu/day), milk thistle and burdock to aid my liver in handling

> excess estrogen, and just added flax seed oil and evening primrose

> oil.

> I started the supplements about a month ago and have read Vitex

takes

> at least 6 months to have any effect. I read something in this

group

> about red clover & chaparral, but have never heard of these

before.

> Any experiences with these or others?

>

> I'm new to the group and forever grateful to have a forum like

this.

> It's comforting to hear stories of people having similar

experiences

> as I am and hear the strength in your voices.

>

> Thanks for your help.

> Barb F.

[Guest guest]

Hello group,

I am also new to the group and very new to this subject as I just found out last

week about my fibroid.

How big is a 20 week fibroid?? Mine is the size of a lemon.

I have many questions, but will start out with my BIGGEST question:

Is the only reason to keep your uterus to have children??? I do not want to

have a surgery and then in a few years have more fibroids grow, or find that I

am still having pain. I am feeling that if a hysterecomy gets rid of the

problem once and for all...why not?

Thanks for your help..GINA

Re: New to group - 20 wk options?

Barb,

I had UAE for a subserosal fibroid approximately the size you are

describing. I was given the choice of hysterectomy, myomectomy, or

UAE by the well qualified doctors I used. In the end I chose UAE

because it had the lowest risks and the lowest chance of losing my

uterus.

It is my understanding that " size doesn't matter " for the procedure

but size may be an indicator for probable results. The IR who

performed my UAE said, " a fibroid this size may be best treated by

hysterectomy, " and actually he added, " if it was me I would have a

hysterectomy. " He also told me that it would be anticipated that the

fibroid could shrink up to 50%, thus, starting with a huge fibroid I

would still have a big bulk left. He had no hesitation with UAE if

that was my choice.

At one year (May 8) I have had no side affects or problems from the

procedure, it is my belief that large fibroids alone are not more

problematic. My fibroid has shrunk considerable, possibly the 50%, I

quit keeping track. However, I still have more bulk than is

comfortable for me, I would guess that for some women my improvement

would be enough, many symptoms are gone- I want perfection. Life is

much better at present, my fibroids were intolerable a year ago. I

will see how the next months go and consider myomectomy if necessary,

still hanging on to the uterus. The gyn I used initially discussed

following up with myomectomy if I didn't get resolution with the UAE.

I did not achieve resolution to my fibroids with diet and

supplements, however, I do get many positive benefits from

accupressure and herbs, I love the herbs I take and think they are

the best for fibroids. The accrpressure and herbs continue to help a

lot, especially with inflamation type bloating feeling.

Good Luck-

> Hi everyone,

> My fibroids are 20-week size, putting pressure on my bladder and

more

> recently impinging on my ureter. I can feel them low in my abdomen

> and up beyond my belly button and my jeans are getting snug. I'm

> having my kidney checked this week and am looking for options,

having

> been told hyst is the best solution but not wanting that yet. I'm

44

> and hoping to buy a few years until menopause hopefully solves my

> problems.

>

> Does anyone know:

> 1-Is there a fibroid size limit to any of the options discussed

here -

> UAE in particular?

> 2-How do you decide which option is best for you?

> 3-How are you finding doctors to tailor the treatment to your

> specific situation?

> 4-Has anyone experienced shrinkage through diets and/or supplements?

>

> I have tried to watch my intake of meat & dairy from hormone-

treated

> sources and go organic as often as possible. I'm also taking Vitex

> (4000 iu/day), milk thistle and burdock to aid my liver in handling

> excess estrogen, and just added flax seed oil and evening primrose

> oil.

> I started the supplements about a month ago and have read Vitex

takes

> at least 6 months to have any effect. I read something in this

group

> about red clover & chaparral, but have never heard of these

before.

> Any experiences with these or others?

>

> I'm new to the group and forever grateful to have a forum like

this.

> It's comforting to hear stories of people having similar

experiences

> as I am and hear the strength in your voices.

>

> Thanks for your help.

> Barb F.

[Guest guest]

Hello group,

I am also new to the group and very new to this subject as I just found out last

week about my fibroid.

How big is a 20 week fibroid?? Mine is the size of a lemon.

I have many questions, but will start out with my BIGGEST question:

Is the only reason to keep your uterus to have children??? I do not want to

have a surgery and then in a few years have more fibroids grow, or find that I

am still having pain. I am feeling that if a hysterecomy gets rid of the

problem once and for all...why not?

Thanks for your help..GINA

Re: New to group - 20 wk options?

Barb,

I had UAE for a subserosal fibroid approximately the size you are

describing. I was given the choice of hysterectomy, myomectomy, or

UAE by the well qualified doctors I used. In the end I chose UAE

because it had the lowest risks and the lowest chance of losing my

uterus.

It is my understanding that " size doesn't matter " for the procedure

but size may be an indicator for probable results. The IR who

performed my UAE said, " a fibroid this size may be best treated by

hysterectomy, " and actually he added, " if it was me I would have a

hysterectomy. " He also told me that it would be anticipated that the

fibroid could shrink up to 50%, thus, starting with a huge fibroid I

would still have a big bulk left. He had no hesitation with UAE if

that was my choice.

At one year (May 8) I have had no side affects or problems from the

procedure, it is my belief that large fibroids alone are not more

problematic. My fibroid has shrunk considerable, possibly the 50%, I

quit keeping track. However, I still have more bulk than is

comfortable for me, I would guess that for some women my improvement

would be enough, many symptoms are gone- I want perfection. Life is

much better at present, my fibroids were intolerable a year ago. I

will see how the next months go and consider myomectomy if necessary,

still hanging on to the uterus. The gyn I used initially discussed

following up with myomectomy if I didn't get resolution with the UAE.

I did not achieve resolution to my fibroids with diet and

supplements, however, I do get many positive benefits from

accupressure and herbs, I love the herbs I take and think they are

the best for fibroids. The accrpressure and herbs continue to help a

lot, especially with inflamation type bloating feeling.

Good Luck-

> Hi everyone,

> My fibroids are 20-week size, putting pressure on my bladder and

more

> recently impinging on my ureter. I can feel them low in my abdomen

> and up beyond my belly button and my jeans are getting snug. I'm

> having my kidney checked this week and am looking for options,

having

> been told hyst is the best solution but not wanting that yet. I'm

44

> and hoping to buy a few years until menopause hopefully solves my

> problems.

>

> Does anyone know:

> 1-Is there a fibroid size limit to any of the options discussed

here -

> UAE in particular?

> 2-How do you decide which option is best for you?

> 3-How are you finding doctors to tailor the treatment to your

> specific situation?

> 4-Has anyone experienced shrinkage through diets and/or supplements?

>

> I have tried to watch my intake of meat & dairy from hormone-

treated

> sources and go organic as often as possible. I'm also taking Vitex

> (4000 iu/day), milk thistle and burdock to aid my liver in handling

> excess estrogen, and just added flax seed oil and evening primrose

> oil.

> I started the supplements about a month ago and have read Vitex

takes

> at least 6 months to have any effect. I read something in this

group

> about red clover & chaparral, but have never heard of these

before.

> Any experiences with these or others?

>

> I'm new to the group and forever grateful to have a forum like

this.

> It's comforting to hear stories of people having similar

experiences

> as I am and hear the strength in your voices.

>

> Thanks for your help.

> Barb F.

[Guest guest]

Regarding what I wrote about how long a woman can afford to experiment with

complementary/alternative therapies before opting for a more radical treatment

(UAE, surgery). I note the " Exclusion criteria " for Dr Mehl-Madrona's patients

(treated with herbs, acupuncture, massage and visualisation: " Subjects whose

fibroids were growing at a rate of 6 cm/year in diameter or subjects with a

hemoglobin value less than 8 gm% were excluded. Patients with hydronephrosis,

patients who were post-menopause or currently taking depot-contraceptives or

birth control pills were also excluded from the treatment group. " It is clear

that the first three exclusion criteria were meant to exclude woman who needed

more urgent treatment and could not afford to wait to see whether the herbal

regime was effective.

(exclusion criteria quoted from a report by

E. Mehl-Madrona, M.D., Ph.D.

Clinical Program Director

Center for Health and Healing

Beth Israel Medical Center

245 Fifth Avenue, 2nd Floor

New York, NY 10016

I think he was based in Pittsburgh at the time of the reported research

programme)

[Guest guest]

Regarding what I wrote about how long a woman can afford to experiment with

complementary/alternative therapies before opting for a more radical treatment

(UAE, surgery). I note the " Exclusion criteria " for Dr Mehl-Madrona's patients

(treated with herbs, acupuncture, massage and visualisation: " Subjects whose

fibroids were growing at a rate of 6 cm/year in diameter or subjects with a

hemoglobin value less than 8 gm% were excluded. Patients with hydronephrosis,

patients who were post-menopause or currently taking depot-contraceptives or

birth control pills were also excluded from the treatment group. " It is clear

that the first three exclusion criteria were meant to exclude woman who needed

more urgent treatment and could not afford to wait to see whether the herbal

regime was effective.

(exclusion criteria quoted from a report by

E. Mehl-Madrona, M.D., Ph.D.

Clinical Program Director

Center for Health and Healing

Beth Israel Medical Center

245 Fifth Avenue, 2nd Floor

New York, NY 10016

I think he was based in Pittsburgh at the time of the reported research

programme)

[Guest guest]

Regarding what I wrote about how long a woman can afford to experiment with

complementary/alternative therapies before opting for a more radical treatment

(UAE, surgery). I note the " Exclusion criteria " for Dr Mehl-Madrona's patients

(treated with herbs, acupuncture, massage and visualisation: " Subjects whose

fibroids were growing at a rate of 6 cm/year in diameter or subjects with a

hemoglobin value less than 8 gm% were excluded. Patients with hydronephrosis,

patients who were post-menopause or currently taking depot-contraceptives or

birth control pills were also excluded from the treatment group. " It is clear

that the first three exclusion criteria were meant to exclude woman who needed

more urgent treatment and could not afford to wait to see whether the herbal

regime was effective.

(exclusion criteria quoted from a report by

E. Mehl-Madrona, M.D., Ph.D.

Clinical Program Director

Center for Health and Healing

Beth Israel Medical Center

245 Fifth Avenue, 2nd Floor

New York, NY 10016

I think he was based in Pittsburgh at the time of the reported research

programme)

[Guest guest]

,

You asked how big a 20 week fibroid is.. It is in

between a melon and a pineapple, melon being a 16 week

and pineapple being a 22 week. My fibroid is 4.4 cm

and has been described as being between a plum and a

lemon. Some fibroids grow as big as watermelons which

is the size of the uterus when giving birth. Hope this

helps. No, having children is not the only reason to

keep the uterus. The uterus along with the ovaries

offer many great benefits to the female body. The

latest that I've read is that removing the uterus

takes away the protective agents that the uterus

offers in proctecting females from heart disease. I

will find the article and give more info on this.

Good luck in making your decision. You have options.

Thanks, SKY

--- Bonfietti wrote:

> Hello group,

>

> I am also new to the group and very new to this

> subject as I just found out last week about my

> fibroid.

>

> How big is a 20 week fibroid?? Mine is the size of

> a lemon.

>

> I have many questions, but will start out with my

> BIGGEST question:

>

> Is the only reason to keep your uterus to have

> children??? I do not want to have a surgery and

> then in a few years have more fibroids grow, or find

> that I am still having pain. I am feeling that if a

> hysterecomy gets rid of the problem once and for

> all...why not?

>

> Thanks for your help..GINA

>

>

> Re: New to group - 20 wk

> options?

>

>

> Barb,

>

> I had UAE for a subserosal fibroid approximately the

> size you are

> describing. I was given the choice of hysterectomy,

> myomectomy, or

> UAE by the well qualified doctors I used. In the

> end I chose UAE

> because it had the lowest risks and the lowest

> chance of losing my

> uterus.

>

> It is my understanding that " size doesn't matter "

> for the procedure

> but size may be an indicator for probable results.

> The IR who

> performed my UAE said, " a fibroid this size may be

> best treated by

> hysterectomy, " and actually he added, " if it was me

> I would have a

> hysterectomy. " He also told me that it would be

> anticipated that the

> fibroid could shrink up to 50%, thus, starting with

> a huge fibroid I

> would still have a big bulk left. He had no

> hesitation with UAE if

> that was my choice.

>

> At one year (May 8) I have had no side affects or

> problems from the

> procedure, it is my belief that large fibroids alone

> are not more

> problematic. My fibroid has shrunk considerable,

> possibly the 50%, I

> quit keeping track. However, I still have more bulk

> than is

> comfortable for me, I would guess that for some

> women my improvement

> would be enough, many symptoms are gone- I want

> perfection. Life is

> much better at present, my fibroids were intolerable

> a year ago. I

> will see how the next months go and consider

> myomectomy if necessary,

> still hanging on to the uterus. The gyn I used

> initially discussed

> following up with myomectomy if I didn't get

> resolution with the UAE.

>

> I did not achieve resolution to my fibroids with

> diet and

> supplements, however, I do get many positive

> benefits from

> accupressure and herbs, I love the herbs I take and

> think they are

> the best for fibroids. The accrpressure and herbs

> continue to help a

> lot, especially with inflamation type bloating

> feeling.

>

> Good Luck-

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > Hi everyone,

> > My fibroids are 20-week size, putting pressure on

> my bladder and

> more

> > recently impinging on my ureter. I can feel them

> low in my abdomen

> > and up beyond my belly button and my jeans are

> getting snug. I'm

> > having my kidney checked this week and am looking

> for options,

> having

> > been told hyst is the best solution but not

> wanting that yet. I'm

> 44

> > and hoping to buy a few years until menopause

> hopefully solves my

> > problems.

> >

> > Does anyone know:

> > 1-Is there a fibroid size limit to any of the

> options discussed

> here -

> > UAE in particular?

> > 2-How do you decide which option is best for you?

> > 3-How are you finding doctors to tailor the

> treatment to your

> > specific situation?

> > 4-Has anyone experienced shrinkage through diets

> and/or supplements?

> >

> > I have tried to watch my intake of meat & dairy

> from hormone-

> treated

> > sources and go organic as often as possible. I'm

> also taking Vitex

> > (4000 iu/day), milk thistle and burdock to aid my

> liver in handling

> > excess estrogen, and just added flax seed oil and

> evening primrose

> > oil.

> > I started the supplements about a month ago and

> have read Vitex

> takes

> > at least 6 months to have any effect. I read

> something in this

> group

> > about red clover & chaparral, but have never heard

> of these

> before.

> > Any experiences with these or others?

> >

> > I'm new to the group and forever grateful to have

> a forum like

> this.

> > It's comforting to hear stories of people having

> similar

> experiences

> > as I am and hear the strength in your voices.

> >

> > Thanks for your help.

> > Barb F.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

You asked how big a 20 week fibroid is.. It is in

between a melon and a pineapple, melon being a 16 week

and pineapple being a 22 week. My fibroid is 4.4 cm

and has been described as being between a plum and a

lemon. Some fibroids grow as big as watermelons which

is the size of the uterus when giving birth. Hope this

helps. No, having children is not the only reason to

keep the uterus. The uterus along with the ovaries

offer many great benefits to the female body. The

latest that I've read is that removing the uterus

takes away the protective agents that the uterus

offers in proctecting females from heart disease. I

will find the article and give more info on this.

Good luck in making your decision. You have options.

Thanks, SKY

--- Bonfietti wrote:

> Hello group,

>

> I am also new to the group and very new to this

> subject as I just found out last week about my

> fibroid.

>

> How big is a 20 week fibroid?? Mine is the size of

> a lemon.

>

> I have many questions, but will start out with my

> BIGGEST question:

>

> Is the only reason to keep your uterus to have

> children??? I do not want to have a surgery and

> then in a few years have more fibroids grow, or find

> that I am still having pain. I am feeling that if a

> hysterecomy gets rid of the problem once and for

> all...why not?

>

> Thanks for your help..GINA

>

>

> Re: New to group - 20 wk

> options?

>

>

> Barb,

>

> I had UAE for a subserosal fibroid approximately the

> size you are

> describing. I was given the choice of hysterectomy,

> myomectomy, or

> UAE by the well qualified doctors I used. In the

> end I chose UAE

> because it had the lowest risks and the lowest

> chance of losing my

> uterus.

>

> It is my understanding that " size doesn't matter "

> for the procedure

> but size may be an indicator for probable results.

> The IR who

> performed my UAE said, " a fibroid this size may be

> best treated by

> hysterectomy, " and actually he added, " if it was me

> I would have a

> hysterectomy. " He also told me that it would be

> anticipated that the

> fibroid could shrink up to 50%, thus, starting with

> a huge fibroid I

> would still have a big bulk left. He had no

> hesitation with UAE if

> that was my choice.

>

> At one year (May 8) I have had no side affects or

> problems from the

> procedure, it is my belief that large fibroids alone

> are not more

> problematic. My fibroid has shrunk considerable,

> possibly the 50%, I

> quit keeping track. However, I still have more bulk

> than is

> comfortable for me, I would guess that for some

> women my improvement

> would be enough, many symptoms are gone- I want

> perfection. Life is

> much better at present, my fibroids were intolerable

> a year ago. I

> will see how the next months go and consider

> myomectomy if necessary,

> still hanging on to the uterus. The gyn I used

> initially discussed

> following up with myomectomy if I didn't get

> resolution with the UAE.

>

> I did not achieve resolution to my fibroids with

> diet and

> supplements, however, I do get many positive

> benefits from

> accupressure and herbs, I love the herbs I take and

> think they are

> the best for fibroids. The accrpressure and herbs

> continue to help a

> lot, especially with inflamation type bloating

> feeling.

>

> Good Luck-

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > Hi everyone,

> > My fibroids are 20-week size, putting pressure on

> my bladder and

> more

> > recently impinging on my ureter. I can feel them

> low in my abdomen

> > and up beyond my belly button and my jeans are

> getting snug. I'm

> > having my kidney checked this week and am looking

> for options,

> having

> > been told hyst is the best solution but not

> wanting that yet. I'm

> 44

> > and hoping to buy a few years until menopause

> hopefully solves my

> > problems.

> >

> > Does anyone know:

> > 1-Is there a fibroid size limit to any of the

> options discussed

> here -

> > UAE in particular?

> > 2-How do you decide which option is best for you?

> > 3-How are you finding doctors to tailor the

> treatment to your

> > specific situation?

> > 4-Has anyone experienced shrinkage through diets

> and/or supplements?

> >

> > I have tried to watch my intake of meat & dairy

> from hormone-

> treated

> > sources and go organic as often as possible. I'm

> also taking Vitex

> > (4000 iu/day), milk thistle and burdock to aid my

> liver in handling

> > excess estrogen, and just added flax seed oil and

> evening primrose

> > oil.

> > I started the supplements about a month ago and

> have read Vitex

> takes

> > at least 6 months to have any effect. I read

> something in this

> group

> > about red clover & chaparral, but have never heard

> of these

> before.

> > Any experiences with these or others?

> >

> > I'm new to the group and forever grateful to have

> a forum like

> this.

> > It's comforting to hear stories of people having

> similar

> experiences

> > as I am and hear the strength in your voices.

> >

> > Thanks for your help.

> > Barb F.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Please read whatever you can about why you should avoid a hysterectomy if at

all possible. I realize that some women choose this option and are happy

with it, but I would go into this decision with as much knowledge as I could

aquire. Two suggested books are " The No Hysterectomy Option " by Dr.

Goldfarb and " The Hysterectomy Hoax " by Stanley West. Also contact the HERS

foundation and they will send you literature on hysterectomies. Apparently

there is a lot of reasons to keep you uterus if possible and it is not just

an organ to bear children. It does a lot of different things for your body

as a whole and is a very important organ.

In Dr. Goldfarb's book there is a lot of insight as to why so many

hysterectomies are performed annually and it is quite maddening.

Go forth and educate yourself, then make the decision that is best for you.

Amy

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I just found out yesterday that I have at least 5 fibroids, average

size is like an orange, that adds up to a 20-wk uterus. That doesn't

give me any specifics about the size of each - I've seen oranges of

various sizes. I am continuing to see different doctors to gather

more info about my condition and discuss the options. I hope to

reach a conclusion soon.

I agree with the other responses you have received - the uterus has

important functions other than only to have children. Many women do

decide that hysterectomy is their best choice and are happy with

that. Others opt for different methods of dealing with fibroids.

The good news is they are benign and there is time to learn and

choose treatment. The important thing is to be informed about your

situation and make a decision that is appropriate for you - one that

you can live with comfortably. Remember that there are aftercare

considerations for each option.

Best of luck!

Barb

> > Hi everyone,

> > My fibroids are 20-week size, putting pressure on my bladder and

> more

> > recently impinging on my ureter. I can feel them low in my

abdomen

> > and up beyond my belly button and my jeans are getting snug. I'm

> > having my kidney checked this week and am looking for options,

> having

> > been told hyst is the best solution but not wanting that yet. I'm

> 44

> > and hoping to buy a few years until menopause hopefully solves my

> > problems.

> >

> > Does anyone know:

> > 1-Is there a fibroid size limit to any of the options discussed

> here -

> > UAE in particular?

> > 2-How do you decide which option is best for you?

> > 3-How are you finding doctors to tailor the treatment to your

> > specific situation?

> > 4-Has anyone experienced shrinkage through diets and/or

supplements?

> >

> > I have tried to watch my intake of meat & dairy from hormone-

> treated

> > sources and go organic as often as possible. I'm also taking

Vitex

> > (4000 iu/day), milk thistle and burdock to aid my liver in

handling

> > excess estrogen, and just added flax seed oil and evening primrose

> > oil.

> > I started the supplements about a month ago and have read Vitex

> takes

> > at least 6 months to have any effect. I read something in this

> group

> > about red clover & chaparral, but have never heard of these

> before.

> > Any experiences with these or others?

> >

> > I'm new to the group and forever grateful to have a forum like

> this.

> > It's comforting to hear stories of people having similar

> experiences

> > as I am and hear the strength in your voices.

> >

> > Thanks for your help.

> > Barb F.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I was told my 20 weeks uterus was the size of an adult

human head. At 22 weeks they said it was the size of

a volleyball.

- B

--- sky wrote:

> ,

> You asked how big a 20 week fibroid is.. It is in

> between a melon and a pineapple, melon being a 16

> week

> and pineapple being a 22 week. My fibroid is 4.4 cm

> and has been described as being between a plum and a

> lemon. Some fibroids grow as big as watermelons

> which

> is the size of the uterus when giving birth. Hope

> this

> helps. No, having children is not the only reason

> to

> keep the uterus. The uterus along with the ovaries

> offer many great benefits to the female body. The

> latest that I've read is that removing the uterus

> takes away the protective agents that the uterus

> offers in proctecting females from heart disease. I

> will find the article and give more info on this.

> Good luck in making your decision. You have options.

> Thanks, SKY

> --- Bonfietti wrote:

> > Hello group,

> >

> > I am also new to the group and very new to this

> > subject as I just found out last week about my

> > fibroid.

> >

> > How big is a 20 week fibroid?? Mine is the size

> of

> > a lemon.

> >

> > I have many questions, but will start out with my

> > BIGGEST question:

> >

> > Is the only reason to keep your uterus to have

> > children??? I do not want to have a surgery and

> > then in a few years have more fibroids grow, or

> find

> > that I am still having pain. I am feeling that if

> a

> > hysterecomy gets rid of the problem once and for

> > all...why not?

> >

> > Thanks for your help..GINA

> >

> >

> > Re: New to group - 20

> wk

> > options?

> >

> >

> > Barb,

> >

> > I had UAE for a subserosal fibroid approximately

> the

> > size you are

> > describing. I was given the choice of

> hysterectomy,

> > myomectomy, or

> > UAE by the well qualified doctors I used. In the

> > end I chose UAE

> > because it had the lowest risks and the lowest

> > chance of losing my

> > uterus.

> >

> > It is my understanding that " size doesn't matter "

> > for the procedure

> > but size may be an indicator for probable results.

>

> > The IR who

> > performed my UAE said, " a fibroid this size may be

> > best treated by

> > hysterectomy, " and actually he added, " if it was

> me

> > I would have a

> > hysterectomy. " He also told me that it would be

> > anticipated that the

> > fibroid could shrink up to 50%, thus, starting

> with

> > a huge fibroid I

> > would still have a big bulk left. He had no

> > hesitation with UAE if

> > that was my choice.

> >

> > At one year (May 8) I have had no side affects or

> > problems from the

> > procedure, it is my belief that large fibroids

> alone

> > are not more

> > problematic. My fibroid has shrunk considerable,

> > possibly the 50%, I

> > quit keeping track. However, I still have more

> bulk

> > than is

> > comfortable for me, I would guess that for some

> > women my improvement

> > would be enough, many symptoms are gone- I want

> > perfection. Life is

> > much better at present, my fibroids were

> intolerable

> > a year ago. I

> > will see how the next months go and consider

> > myomectomy if necessary,

> > still hanging on to the uterus. The gyn I used

> > initially discussed

> > following up with myomectomy if I didn't get

> > resolution with the UAE.

> >

> > I did not achieve resolution to my fibroids with

> > diet and

> > supplements, however, I do get many positive

> > benefits from

> > accupressure and herbs, I love the herbs I take

> and

> > think they are

> > the best for fibroids. The accrpressure and herbs

> > continue to help a

> > lot, especially with inflamation type bloating

> > feeling.

> >

> > Good Luck-

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > Hi everyone,

> > > My fibroids are 20-week size, putting pressure

> on

> > my bladder and

> > more

> > > recently impinging on my ureter. I can feel

> them

> > low in my abdomen

> > > and up beyond my belly button and my jeans are

> > getting snug. I'm

> > > having my kidney checked this week and am

> looking

> > for options,

> > having

> > > been told hyst is the best solution but not

> > wanting that yet. I'm

> > 44

> > > and hoping to buy a few years until menopause

> > hopefully solves my

> > > problems.

> > >

> > > Does anyone know:

> > > 1-Is there a fibroid size limit to any of the

> > options discussed

> > here -

> > > UAE in particular?

> > > 2-How do you decide which option is best for

> you?

> > > 3-How are you finding doctors to tailor the

> > treatment to your

> > > specific situation?

> > > 4-Has anyone experienced shrinkage through diets

> > and/or supplements?

> > >

> > > I have tried to watch my intake of meat & dairy

> > from hormone-

> > treated

> > > sources and go organic as often as possible.

> I'm

> > also taking Vitex

> > > (4000 iu/day), milk thistle and burdock to aid

> my

> > liver in handling

> > > excess estrogen, and just added flax seed oil

> and

> > evening primrose

> > > oil.

> > > I started the supplements about a month ago and

> > have read Vitex

> > takes

> > > at least 6 months to have any effect. I read

> > something in this

> > group

> > > about red clover & chaparral, but have never

> heard

> > of these

> > before.

> > > Any experiences with these or others?

> > >

> > > I'm new to the group and forever grateful to

> have

> > a forum like

> > this.

> > > It's comforting to hear stories of people having

> > similar

> > experiences

> > > as I am and hear the strength in your voices.

> > >

> > > Thanks for your help.

> > > Barb F.

>

=== message truncated ===

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I was told my 20 weeks uterus was the size of an adult

human head. At 22 weeks they said it was the size of

a volleyball.

- B

--- sky wrote:

> ,

> You asked how big a 20 week fibroid is.. It is in

> between a melon and a pineapple, melon being a 16

> week

> and pineapple being a 22 week.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone:

I am new to the group also and just found out last week that my fibroid had

enlarged in size and is now 9cm in diameter. The gynecologist is

recommending hysterectomy, of course. I am 44 and would like to keep my

body parts at this stage in my life. My biggest fear is it being cancerous.

Has anyone heard of a test to determine cancer on fibroids before

hysterectomy recommended as the only solution?

As I'm researching alternatives, it's great to have others to talk with

about what works and what doesn't. I'm considering UAE or myomectomy and am

wondering if anyone has had negative experiences or complications with these

2 procedures. I am also VERY interested in hearing from anyone who has

found herbal supplements or anything natural that works to shrink them. I

read 's and Barb's accounts on natural supplements, but would like

to hear more from on what she has taken specifically. And has

anyone found natural supplements to give long term results?

Thanks for the input!

Donna

Re: Re: New to group - 20 wk options?

I was told my 20 weeks uterus was the size of an adult

human head. At 22 weeks they said it was the size of

a volleyball.

- B

--- sky wrote:

> ,

> You asked how big a 20 week fibroid is.. It is in

> between a melon and a pineapple, melon being a 16

> week

> and pineapple being a 22 week. My fibroid is 4.4 cm

> and has been described as being between a plum and a

> lemon. Some fibroids grow as big as watermelons

> which

> is the size of the uterus when giving birth. Hope

> this

> helps. No, having children is not the only reason

> to

> keep the uterus. The uterus along with the ovaries

> offer many great benefits to the female body. The

> latest that I've read is that removing the uterus

> takes away the protective agents that the uterus

> offers in proctecting females from heart disease. I

> will find the article and give more info on this.

> Good luck in making your decision. You have options.

> Thanks, SKY

> --- Bonfietti wrote:

> > Hello group,

> >

> > I am also new to the group and very new to this

> > subject as I just found out last week about my

> > fibroid.

> >

> > How big is a 20 week fibroid?? Mine is the size

> of

> > a lemon.

> >

> > I have many questions, but will start out with my

> > BIGGEST question:

> >

> > Is the only reason to keep your uterus to have

> > children??? I do not want to have a surgery and

> > then in a few years have more fibroids grow, or

> find

> > that I am still having pain. I am feeling that if

> a

> > hysterecomy gets rid of the problem once and for

> > all...why not?

> >

> > Thanks for your help..GINA

> >

> >

> > Re: New to group - 20

> wk

> > options?

> >

> >

> > Barb,

> >

> > I had UAE for a subserosal fibroid approximately

> the

> > size you are

> > describing. I was given the choice of

> hysterectomy,

> > myomectomy, or

> > UAE by the well qualified doctors I used. In the

> > end I chose UAE

> > because it had the lowest risks and the lowest

> > chance of losing my

> > uterus.

> >

> > It is my understanding that " size doesn't matter "

> > for the procedure

> > but size may be an indicator for probable results.

>

> > The IR who

> > performed my UAE said, " a fibroid this size may be

> > best treated by

> > hysterectomy, " and actually he added, " if it was

> me

> > I would have a

> > hysterectomy. " He also told me that it would be

> > anticipated that the

> > fibroid could shrink up to 50%, thus, starting

> with

> > a huge fibroid I

> > would still have a big bulk left. He had no

> > hesitation with UAE if

> > that was my choice.

> >

> > At one year (May 8) I have had no side affects or

> > problems from the

> > procedure, it is my belief that large fibroids

> alone

> > are not more

> > problematic. My fibroid has shrunk considerable,

> > possibly the 50%, I

> > quit keeping track. However, I still have more

> bulk

> > than is

> > comfortable for me, I would guess that for some

> > women my improvement

> > would be enough, many symptoms are gone- I want

> > perfection. Life is

> > much better at present, my fibroids were

> intolerable

> > a year ago. I

> > will see how the next months go and consider

> > myomectomy if necessary,

> > still hanging on to the uterus. The gyn I used

> > initially discussed

> > following up with myomectomy if I didn't get

> > resolution with the UAE.

> >

> > I did not achieve resolution to my fibroids with

> > diet and

> > supplements, however, I do get many positive

> > benefits from

> > accupressure and herbs, I love the herbs I take

> and

> > think they are

> > the best for fibroids. The accrpressure and herbs

> > continue to help a

> > lot, especially with inflamation type bloating

> > feeling.

> >

> > Good Luck-

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > Hi everyone,

> > > My fibroids are 20-week size, putting pressure

> on

> > my bladder and

> > more

> > > recently impinging on my ureter. I can feel

> them

> > low in my abdomen

> > > and up beyond my belly button and my jeans are

> > getting snug. I'm

> > > having my kidney checked this week and am

> looking

> > for options,

> > having

> > > been told hyst is the best solution but not

> > wanting that yet. I'm

> > 44

> > > and hoping to buy a few years until menopause

> > hopefully solves my

> > > problems.

> > >

> > > Does anyone know:

> > > 1-Is there a fibroid size limit to any of the

> > options discussed

> > here -

> > > UAE in particular?

> > > 2-How do you decide which option is best for

> you?

> > > 3-How are you finding doctors to tailor the

> > treatment to your

> > > specific situation?

> > > 4-Has anyone experienced shrinkage through diets

> > and/or supplements?

> > >

> > > I have tried to watch my intake of meat & dairy

> > from hormone-

> > treated

> > > sources and go organic as often as possible.

> I'm

> > also taking Vitex

> > > (4000 iu/day), milk thistle and burdock to aid

> my

> > liver in handling

> > > excess estrogen, and just added flax seed oil

> and

> > evening primrose

> > > oil.

> > > I started the supplements about a month ago and

> > have read Vitex

> > takes

> > > at least 6 months to have any effect. I read

> > something in this

> > group

> > > about red clover & chaparral, but have never

> heard

> > of these

> > before.

> > > Any experiences with these or others?

> > >

> > > I'm new to the group and forever grateful to

> have

> > a forum like

> > this.

> > > It's comforting to hear stories of people having

> > similar

> > experiences

> > > as I am and hear the strength in your voices.

> > >

> > > Thanks for your help.

> > > Barb F.

>

=== message truncated ===

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hello,

My Doctor perfromed a diagnostic hysteroscopy so he

could send a small piece (from the uterus, just as

small as the shedding of your lining during your

m-cycle ) to a Pathologist to determine if I had a

cancer cells in my uterus. My Doc. perfromed this

first to rule out cancer and to determine what types

of fibroids I had, then he made his suggestion after

ruling out cancer which is not hysterectomy. You do

have other options! Good Luck, SKY

--- Donna Friesen wrote:

> Hi everyone:

>

> I am new to the group also and just found out last

> week that my fibroid had

> enlarged in size and is now 9cm in diameter. The

> gynecologist is

> recommending hysterectomy, of course. I am 44 and

> would like to keep my

> body parts at this stage in my life. My biggest fear

> is it being cancerous.

> Has anyone heard of a test to determine cancer on

> fibroids before

> hysterectomy recommended as the only solution?

>

> As I'm researching alternatives, it's great to have

> others to talk with

> about what works and what doesn't. I'm considering

> UAE or myomectomy and am

> wondering if anyone has had negative experiences or

> complications with these

> 2 procedures. I am also VERY interested in hearing

> from anyone who has

> found herbal supplements or anything natural that

> works to shrink them. I

> read 's and Barb's accounts on natural

> supplements, but would like

> to hear more from on what she has taken

> specifically. And has

> anyone found natural supplements to give long term

> results?

>

> Thanks for the input!

>

> Donna

>

> Re: Re: New to group - 20

> wk options?

>

>

> I was told my 20 weeks uterus was the size of an

> adult

> human head. At 22 weeks they said it was the size

> of

> a volleyball.

> - B

>

> --- sky wrote:

> > ,

> > You asked how big a 20 week fibroid is.. It is in

> > between a melon and a pineapple, melon being a 16

> > week

> > and pineapple being a 22 week. My fibroid is 4.4

> cm

> > and has been described as being between a plum and

> a

> > lemon. Some fibroids grow as big as watermelons

> > which

> > is the size of the uterus when giving birth. Hope

> > this

> > helps. No, having children is not the only reason

> > to

> > keep the uterus. The uterus along with the ovaries

> > offer many great benefits to the female body. The

> > latest that I've read is that removing the uterus

> > takes away the protective agents that the uterus

> > offers in proctecting females from heart disease.

> I

> > will find the article and give more info on this.

> > Good luck in making your decision. You have

> options.

> > Thanks, SKY

> > --- Bonfietti wrote:

> > > Hello group,

> > >

> > > I am also new to the group and very new to this

> > > subject as I just found out last week about my

> > > fibroid.

> > >

> > > How big is a 20 week fibroid?? Mine is the size

> > of

> > > a lemon.

> > >

> > > I have many questions, but will start out with

> my

> > > BIGGEST question:

> > >

> > > Is the only reason to keep your uterus to have

> > > children??? I do not want to have a surgery and

> > > then in a few years have more fibroids grow, or

> > find

> > > that I am still having pain. I am feeling that

> if

> > a

> > > hysterecomy gets rid of the problem once and for

> > > all...why not?

> > >

> > > Thanks for your help..GINA

> > >

> > >

> > > Re: New to group - 20

> > wk

> > > options?

> > >

> > >

> > > Barb,

> > >

> > > I had UAE for a subserosal fibroid approximately

> > the

> > > size you are

> > > describing. I was given the choice of

> > hysterectomy,

> > > myomectomy, or

> > > UAE by the well qualified doctors I used. In

> the

> > > end I chose UAE

> > > because it had the lowest risks and the lowest

> > > chance of losing my

> > > uterus.

> > >

> > > It is my understanding that " size doesn't

> matter "

> > > for the procedure

> > > but size may be an indicator for probable

> results.

> >

> > > The IR who

> > > performed my UAE said, " a fibroid this size may

> be

> > > best treated by

> > > hysterectomy, " and actually he added, " if it was

> > me

> > > I would have a

> > > hysterectomy. " He also told me that it would be

> > > anticipated that the

> > > fibroid could shrink up to 50%, thus, starting

> > with

> > > a huge fibroid I

> > > would still have a big bulk left. He had no

> > > hesitation with UAE if

> > > that was my choice.

> > >

> > > At one year (May 8) I have had no side affects

> or

> > > problems from the

> > > procedure, it is my belief that large fibroids

> > alone

> > > are not more

> > > problematic. My fibroid has shrunk

> considerable,

> > > possibly the 50%, I

> > > quit keeping track. However, I still have more

> > bulk

> > > than is

> > > comfortable for me, I would guess that for some

> > > women my improvement

> > > would be enough, many symptoms are gone- I want

> > > perfection. Life is

> > > much better at present, my fibroids were

> > intolerable

> > > a year ago. I

> > > will see how the next months go and consider

> > > myomectomy if necessary,

> > > still hanging on to the uterus. The gyn I used

> > > initially discussed

> > > following up with myomectomy if I didn't get

> > > resolution with the UAE.

> > >

> > > I did not achieve resolution to my fibroids with

> > > diet and

> > > supplements, however, I do get many positive

> > > benefits from

> > > accupressure and herbs, I love the herbs I take

> > and

> > > think they are

> > > the best for fibroids. The accrpressure and

> herbs

> > > continue to help a

> > > lot, especially with inflamation type bloating

> > > feeling.

> > >

> > > Good Luck-

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > Hi everyone,

> > > > My fibroids are 20-week size, putting pressure

> > on

> > > my bladder and

> > > more

>

=== message truncated ===

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hello,

My Doctor perfromed a diagnostic hysteroscopy so he

could send a small piece (from the uterus, just as

small as the shedding of your lining during your

m-cycle ) to a Pathologist to determine if I had a

cancer cells in my uterus. My Doc. perfromed this

first to rule out cancer and to determine what types

of fibroids I had, then he made his suggestion after

ruling out cancer which is not hysterectomy. You do

have other options! Good Luck, SKY

--- Donna Friesen wrote:

> Hi everyone:

>

> I am new to the group also and just found out last

> week that my fibroid had

> enlarged in size and is now 9cm in diameter. The

> gynecologist is

> recommending hysterectomy, of course. I am 44 and

> would like to keep my

> body parts at this stage in my life. My biggest fear

> is it being cancerous.

> Has anyone heard of a test to determine cancer on

> fibroids before

> hysterectomy recommended as the only solution?

>

> As I'm researching alternatives, it's great to have

> others to talk with

> about what works and what doesn't. I'm considering

> UAE or myomectomy and am

> wondering if anyone has had negative experiences or

> complications with these

> 2 procedures. I am also VERY interested in hearing

> from anyone who has

> found herbal supplements or anything natural that

> works to shrink them. I

> read 's and Barb's accounts on natural

> supplements, but would like

> to hear more from on what she has taken

> specifically. And has

> anyone found natural supplements to give long term

> results?

>

> Thanks for the input!

>

> Donna

>

> Re: Re: New to group - 20

> wk options?

>

>

> I was told my 20 weeks uterus was the size of an

> adult

> human head. At 22 weeks they said it was the size

> of

> a volleyball.

> - B

>

> --- sky wrote:

> > ,

> > You asked how big a 20 week fibroid is.. It is in

> > between a melon and a pineapple, melon being a 16

> > week

> > and pineapple being a 22 week. My fibroid is 4.4

> cm

> > and has been described as being between a plum and

> a

> > lemon. Some fibroids grow as big as watermelons

> > which

> > is the size of the uterus when giving birth. Hope

> > this

> > helps. No, having children is not the only reason

> > to

> > keep the uterus. The uterus along with the ovaries

> > offer many great benefits to the female body. The

> > latest that I've read is that removing the uterus

> > takes away the protective agents that the uterus

> > offers in proctecting females from heart disease.

> I

> > will find the article and give more info on this.

> > Good luck in making your decision. You have

> options.

> > Thanks, SKY

> > --- Bonfietti wrote:

> > > Hello group,

> > >

> > > I am also new to the group and very new to this

> > > subject as I just found out last week about my

> > > fibroid.

> > >

> > > How big is a 20 week fibroid?? Mine is the size

> > of

> > > a lemon.

> > >

> > > I have many questions, but will start out with

> my

> > > BIGGEST question:

> > >

> > > Is the only reason to keep your uterus to have

> > > children??? I do not want to have a surgery and

> > > then in a few years have more fibroids grow, or

> > find

> > > that I am still having pain. I am feeling that

> if

> > a

> > > hysterecomy gets rid of the problem once and for

> > > all...why not?

> > >

> > > Thanks for your help..GINA

> > >

> > >

> > > Re: New to group - 20

> > wk

> > > options?

> > >

> > >

> > > Barb,

> > >

> > > I had UAE for a subserosal fibroid approximately

> > the

> > > size you are

> > > describing. I was given the choice of

> > hysterectomy,

> > > myomectomy, or

> > > UAE by the well qualified doctors I used. In

> the

> > > end I chose UAE

> > > because it had the lowest risks and the lowest

> > > chance of losing my

> > > uterus.

> > >

> > > It is my understanding that " size doesn't

> matter "

> > > for the procedure

> > > but size may be an indicator for probable

> results.

> >

> > > The IR who

> > > performed my UAE said, " a fibroid this size may

> be

> > > best treated by

> > > hysterectomy, " and actually he added, " if it was

> > me

> > > I would have a

> > > hysterectomy. " He also told me that it would be

> > > anticipated that the

> > > fibroid could shrink up to 50%, thus, starting

> > with

> > > a huge fibroid I

> > > would still have a big bulk left. He had no

> > > hesitation with UAE if

> > > that was my choice.

> > >

> > > At one year (May 8) I have had no side affects

> or

> > > problems from the

> > > procedure, it is my belief that large fibroids

> > alone

> > > are not more

> > > problematic. My fibroid has shrunk

> considerable,

> > > possibly the 50%, I

> > > quit keeping track. However, I still have more

> > bulk

> > > than is

> > > comfortable for me, I would guess that for some

> > > women my improvement

> > > would be enough, many symptoms are gone- I want

> > > perfection. Life is

> > > much better at present, my fibroids were

> > intolerable

> > > a year ago. I

> > > will see how the next months go and consider

> > > myomectomy if necessary,

> > > still hanging on to the uterus. The gyn I used

> > > initially discussed

> > > following up with myomectomy if I didn't get

> > > resolution with the UAE.

> > >

> > > I did not achieve resolution to my fibroids with

> > > diet and

> > > supplements, however, I do get many positive

> > > benefits from

> > > accupressure and herbs, I love the herbs I take

> > and

> > > think they are

> > > the best for fibroids. The accrpressure and

> herbs

> > > continue to help a

> > > lot, especially with inflamation type bloating

> > > feeling.

> > >

> > > Good Luck-

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > Hi everyone,

> > > > My fibroids are 20-week size, putting pressure

> > on

> > > my bladder and

> > > more

>

=== message truncated ===

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hello,

My Doctor perfromed a diagnostic hysteroscopy so he

could send a small piece (from the uterus, just as

small as the shedding of your lining during your

m-cycle ) to a Pathologist to determine if I had a

cancer cells in my uterus. My Doc. perfromed this

first to rule out cancer and to determine what types

of fibroids I had, then he made his suggestion after

ruling out cancer which is not hysterectomy. You do

have other options! Good Luck, SKY

--- Donna Friesen wrote:

> Hi everyone:

>

> I am new to the group also and just found out last

> week that my fibroid had

> enlarged in size and is now 9cm in diameter. The

> gynecologist is

> recommending hysterectomy, of course. I am 44 and

> would like to keep my

> body parts at this stage in my life. My biggest fear

> is it being cancerous.

> Has anyone heard of a test to determine cancer on

> fibroids before

> hysterectomy recommended as the only solution?

>

> As I'm researching alternatives, it's great to have

> others to talk with

> about what works and what doesn't. I'm considering

> UAE or myomectomy and am

> wondering if anyone has had negative experiences or

> complications with these

> 2 procedures. I am also VERY interested in hearing

> from anyone who has

> found herbal supplements or anything natural that

> works to shrink them. I

> read 's and Barb's accounts on natural

> supplements, but would like

> to hear more from on what she has taken

> specifically. And has

> anyone found natural supplements to give long term

> results?

>

> Thanks for the input!

>

> Donna

>

> Re: Re: New to group - 20

> wk options?

>

>

> I was told my 20 weeks uterus was the size of an

> adult

> human head. At 22 weeks they said it was the size

> of

> a volleyball.

> - B

>

> --- sky wrote:

> > ,

> > You asked how big a 20 week fibroid is.. It is in

> > between a melon and a pineapple, melon being a 16

> > week

> > and pineapple being a 22 week. My fibroid is 4.4

> cm

> > and has been described as being between a plum and

> a

> > lemon. Some fibroids grow as big as watermelons

> > which

> > is the size of the uterus when giving birth. Hope

> > this

> > helps. No, having children is not the only reason

> > to

> > keep the uterus. The uterus along with the ovaries

> > offer many great benefits to the female body. The

> > latest that I've read is that removing the uterus

> > takes away the protective agents that the uterus

> > offers in proctecting females from heart disease.

> I

> > will find the article and give more info on this.

> > Good luck in making your decision. You have

> options.

> > Thanks, SKY

> > --- Bonfietti wrote:

> > > Hello group,

> > >

> > > I am also new to the group and very new to this

> > > subject as I just found out last week about my

> > > fibroid.

> > >

> > > How big is a 20 week fibroid?? Mine is the size

> > of

> > > a lemon.

> > >

> > > I have many questions, but will start out with

> my

> > > BIGGEST question:

> > >

> > > Is the only reason to keep your uterus to have

> > > children??? I do not want to have a surgery and

> > > then in a few years have more fibroids grow, or

> > find

> > > that I am still having pain. I am feeling that

> if

> > a

> > > hysterecomy gets rid of the problem once and for

> > > all...why not?

> > >

> > > Thanks for your help..GINA

> > >

> > >

> > > Re: New to group - 20

> > wk

> > > options?

> > >

> > >

> > > Barb,

> > >

> > > I had UAE for a subserosal fibroid approximately

> > the

> > > size you are

> > > describing. I was given the choice of

> > hysterectomy,

> > > myomectomy, or

> > > UAE by the well qualified doctors I used. In

> the

> > > end I chose UAE

> > > because it had the lowest risks and the lowest

> > > chance of losing my

> > > uterus.

> > >

> > > It is my understanding that " size doesn't

> matter "

> > > for the procedure

> > > but size may be an indicator for probable

> results.

> >

> > > The IR who

> > > performed my UAE said, " a fibroid this size may

> be

> > > best treated by

> > > hysterectomy, " and actually he added, " if it was

> > me

> > > I would have a

> > > hysterectomy. " He also told me that it would be

> > > anticipated that the

> > > fibroid could shrink up to 50%, thus, starting

> > with

> > > a huge fibroid I

> > > would still have a big bulk left. He had no

> > > hesitation with UAE if

> > > that was my choice.

> > >

> > > At one year (May 8) I have had no side affects

> or

> > > problems from the

> > > procedure, it is my belief that large fibroids

> > alone

> > > are not more

> > > problematic. My fibroid has shrunk

> considerable,

> > > possibly the 50%, I

> > > quit keeping track. However, I still have more

> > bulk

> > > than is

> > > comfortable for me, I would guess that for some

> > > women my improvement

> > > would be enough, many symptoms are gone- I want

> > > perfection. Life is

> > > much better at present, my fibroids were

> > intolerable

> > > a year ago. I

> > > will see how the next months go and consider

> > > myomectomy if necessary,

> > > still hanging on to the uterus. The gyn I used

> > > initially discussed

> > > following up with myomectomy if I didn't get

> > > resolution with the UAE.

> > >

> > > I did not achieve resolution to my fibroids with

> > > diet and

> > > supplements, however, I do get many positive

> > > benefits from

> > > accupressure and herbs, I love the herbs I take

> > and

> > > think they are

> > > the best for fibroids. The accrpressure and

> herbs

> > > continue to help a

> > > lot, especially with inflamation type bloating

> > > feeling.

> > >

> > > Good Luck-

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > Hi everyone,

> > > > My fibroids are 20-week size, putting pressure

> > on

> > > my bladder and

> > > more

>

=== message truncated ===

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Also, an endometrial biopsy can be done to rule out cancer. It is done in

the doctor's office, and takes only a few minutes.

Therese

RE: Re: New to group - 20 wk options?

Hello,

My Doctor perfromed a diagnostic hysteroscopy so he

could send a small piece (from the uterus, just as

small as the shedding of your lining during your

m-cycle ) to a Pathologist to determine if I had a

cancer cells in my uterus. My Doc. perfromed this

first to rule out cancer and to determine what types

of fibroids I had, then he made his suggestion after

ruling out cancer which is not hysterectomy. You do

have other options! Good Luck, SKY

--- Donna Friesen wrote:

> Hi everyone:

>

> I am new to the group also and just found out last

> week that my fibroid had

> enlarged in size and is now 9cm in diameter. The

> gynecologist is

> recommending hysterectomy, of course. I am 44 and

> would like to keep my

> body parts at this stage in my life. My biggest fear

> is it being cancerous.

> Has anyone heard of a test to determine cancer on

> fibroids before

> hysterectomy recommended as the only solution?

>

>

> Thanks for the input!

>

> Donna

>

>

>>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Also, an endometrial biopsy can be done to rule out cancer. It is done in

the doctor's office, and takes only a few minutes.

Therese

RE: Re: New to group - 20 wk options?

Hello,

My Doctor perfromed a diagnostic hysteroscopy so he

could send a small piece (from the uterus, just as

small as the shedding of your lining during your

m-cycle ) to a Pathologist to determine if I had a

cancer cells in my uterus. My Doc. perfromed this

first to rule out cancer and to determine what types

of fibroids I had, then he made his suggestion after

ruling out cancer which is not hysterectomy. You do

have other options! Good Luck, SKY

--- Donna Friesen wrote:

> Hi everyone:

>

> I am new to the group also and just found out last

> week that my fibroid had

> enlarged in size and is now 9cm in diameter. The

> gynecologist is

> recommending hysterectomy, of course. I am 44 and

> would like to keep my

> body parts at this stage in my life. My biggest fear

> is it being cancerous.

> Has anyone heard of a test to determine cancer on

> fibroids before

> hysterectomy recommended as the only solution?

>

>

> Thanks for the input!

>

> Donna

>

>

>>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

,

your description seems to correlate with the fruit

description. SKY

--- Belzer wrote:

> I was told my 20 weeks uterus was the size of an

> adult

> human head. At 22 weeks they said it was the size

> of

> a volleyball.

> - B

>

> --- sky wrote:

> > ,

> > You asked how big a 20 week fibroid is.. It is in

> > between a melon and a pineapple, melon being a 16

> > week

> > and pineapple being a 22 week.

>

> __________________________________________________

>