Guest guest Posted August 22, 1999 Report Share Posted August 22, 1999 HI Ken, Thanks for your info and recommendations re: to vaccinate or not and about the chicken pox vaccine. It seems our autism DR. feels differently than our pediatrician. I need to talk to her before my daughter's appt. Because if I do vaccinate her, shouldn't I do /Bart at the same time? Wish I remembered where you worked. I have been home alot this summer (South NJ) due to the cancer returning in my mother. Kathy ---------- > > To: KAFOLEY@... > Cc: Mitoonelist > Subject: vaccines > Date: Saturday, August 21, 1999 8:35 AM > > > > Hi Kathy, > > Wish there was an easy answer for you. Here are some explanations though. > > There was a measles epidemic back in 89-91 which is why everyone gets 2 > MMR's. Chickenpox (Varivax) and MMR are both " live " virus vaccines. there is > a 7% chance of getting chickenpox even with the vaccine, but you won't get > 800 lesions by the second day like my eldest did. The vaccine is NOT > NEW. We've been using it in this country for nearly 21 years. The history of > the vaccine is similar to Measles (had the outbreak 28 yrs after starting > immunization). Though we don't know how long the immunity will last for (I > think everyone will end up with a second dose, and between Japan and > ourselves - they started 25 yrs ago with the same strain - we should know > the answer within the next 2-5 yrs), there is one very good reason to get > the shot. Before I get to the reason, though, the people that we started > using the vaccine on were cancer kids. With them the disease may be fatal > and accounts for about 100 deaths a year. There are some " normal " people > that end up with debilitating permanent neurological complications too. But > the real reason to get the shot is that there are about 10,000 admissions to > the hospital each year with significant strep infections complicating the > disease - similar to the " flesh-eating " bacteria that people hear about > every once in a while. Consider that plus the fact that many bacteria are > getting to be resistant (drugs don't work anymore). Personally, I almost > insist that if a child hasn't had chickenpox by the age of 10, then they > should get the vaccine. However, I can't force anyone to get the vaccine. > Currently in the state of NJ, a parent must sign that getting a vaccine is > against one's religious belief or I must sign a statement stating that it > would be a significant detriment to a child's health. Given that I've always > immunized Rhys (anything he gets side-effect wise from any vaccine would > certainly be less serious than the complications of the disease itself), I > don't see how I could definitely say that a vaccine would cause serious > complications for my patient population. Some docs (I'm not one) will > absolutely refuse to care for a child anymore if the parents elect not to > vaccinate. > > This whole subject tends to be a very " heated " one, and personally, I think > that many of those people with serious side-effects are probably the > undiagnosed mito people and ANY insult can cause side-effects that may make > mito worse (just depends if temporary or permanent, and no one knows). > > I expect that this may spur some " interesting " discussions on the list, and > the topic for all the " newbies " , usually comes up once a year, and usually > in August, just before Kindergarten starts. So welcome to the 3rd annual > vaccine topic (hopefully no flames). > > Ken > > > --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 1999 Report Share Posted August 22, 1999 In a message dated 99-08-21 11:48:51 EDT, you write: << Hi , I bet you are aware of the current discussion on the Hep B vaccination and the current recommendations by the AAP and the CDC. Do you know if Orion had a Hepatitis B vaccine containing thimerosal?? I wonder if this had anything to do with his symptoms? have they ever said? Like you, I had my last three babies vaccinated in the newborn nursery and then 30 days later with the second dose as this was what pediatricians were doing at the time. Now the AAP says we should be waiting until 6 months to give this. CDC says anytime after 2 months for the first dose so they do differ. hopefully soon there will be enough quantities of the thimerosal free product that our babies can resume getting this in the nursery if not contraindicated such as in your future children's cases. >> Anne; Let me just correct myself on something-- I just checked Orion's baby book, and I was wrong about the hep b shot... He received it on Oct 20, when he was a month old. His problems started shortly after. I don't know if it contained thimerosal-- to tell you the truth, I wasn't aware that there was more than one kind of hep b vaccine. The CDC is currently investigating Orion's case; they do suspect that although the vaccine didn't cause his disease, it may have increased the rate of degeneration in his brain. We haven't heard for sure either way yet. Orion's Mommy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 1999 Report Share Posted August 22, 1999 In a message dated 99-08-21 11:48:51 EDT, you write: << Hi , I bet you are aware of the current discussion on the Hep B vaccination and the current recommendations by the AAP and the CDC. Do you know if Orion had a Hepatitis B vaccine containing thimerosal?? I wonder if this had anything to do with his symptoms? have they ever said? Like you, I had my last three babies vaccinated in the newborn nursery and then 30 days later with the second dose as this was what pediatricians were doing at the time. Now the AAP says we should be waiting until 6 months to give this. CDC says anytime after 2 months for the first dose so they do differ. hopefully soon there will be enough quantities of the thimerosal free product that our babies can resume getting this in the nursery if not contraindicated such as in your future children's cases. >> Anne; Let me just correct myself on something-- I just checked Orion's baby book, and I was wrong about the hep b shot... He received it on Oct 20, when he was a month old. His problems started shortly after. I don't know if it contained thimerosal-- to tell you the truth, I wasn't aware that there was more than one kind of hep b vaccine. The CDC is currently investigating Orion's case; they do suspect that although the vaccine didn't cause his disease, it may have increased the rate of degeneration in his brain. We haven't heard for sure either way yet. Orion's Mommy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 1999 Report Share Posted August 22, 1999 In a message dated 99-08-21 11:48:51 EDT, you write: << Hi , I bet you are aware of the current discussion on the Hep B vaccination and the current recommendations by the AAP and the CDC. Do you know if Orion had a Hepatitis B vaccine containing thimerosal?? I wonder if this had anything to do with his symptoms? have they ever said? Like you, I had my last three babies vaccinated in the newborn nursery and then 30 days later with the second dose as this was what pediatricians were doing at the time. Now the AAP says we should be waiting until 6 months to give this. CDC says anytime after 2 months for the first dose so they do differ. hopefully soon there will be enough quantities of the thimerosal free product that our babies can resume getting this in the nursery if not contraindicated such as in your future children's cases. >> Anne; Let me just correct myself on something-- I just checked Orion's baby book, and I was wrong about the hep b shot... He received it on Oct 20, when he was a month old. His problems started shortly after. I don't know if it contained thimerosal-- to tell you the truth, I wasn't aware that there was more than one kind of hep b vaccine. The CDC is currently investigating Orion's case; they do suspect that although the vaccine didn't cause his disease, it may have increased the rate of degeneration in his brain. We haven't heard for sure either way yet. Orion's Mommy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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