Re: antidepressants

November 7, 1999

Hi Trixxi

I think there are MAOIs now that dont require strict dietary controls.

However, often docs still dont like prescribing them - my doc pretends

that they dont exist, but I of course, know that they do!

There are also " atypical " ADs like Serzone. Serzone is the only AD

that ever made me horny rather than limpd***ed - not for the sex

addict that one. Not if they want to stop being addicted, anyway.

Pete

butterbean-@... wrote:

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> Hi Matt -

> I have probably been on almost every antidepressent ever

manufactured. I

> was on prozac for awhile and it made me feel like I drank about 20

cups of

> coffee.

> There are 3 classes of antidepressants:

> SSRI's (selective seratonin reuptake inhibitors) these include Prozac,

> Paxil, Zoloft and most of the new antidepressents.

> Trycyclics- include impramine, amatryptaline, desipramine. These are

older

> and have more side effects like drowiness, constipation and dry

mouth. I am

> on amatryptaline. It is one of the first anti depressants ever made,

but it

> works better for me than any others.

> MAO inhibitors-include Nardil and Marplan. I have heard these work

great but

> you have to be VERY careful about eating or drinking certain things

with

> 'tyramine' in it. This interaction can cause an extreme hypertensive

(high

> blood pressure spike).

> Maybe it might be wise for you to try another type of antidepressant.

There

> are loads of them, but if you react sensitively to an SSRI maybe you

could

> try a trycyclic. The side effects are annoying at first, but for me

they

> have been worth it.

> ~Trixxi

>

November 8, 1999

Thanks Trixxie. I haven't ruled out other alternative medicines. I just

know I want off prozac & lithium. They just aren't working. I tried St.

's Wart a ways back and really liked the benefits. I felt like I could

get things done for the first time since I was a kid. Unfortunately, on

SJW, I could never sleep. I had too much energy.

Ah, the joys of being screwed up!! There's just no easy answer. How

I wish I was just normal and had a family that wasn't nutty. That's

probably 7 out of 10 people's wish though. Matt

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>Subject: antidepressants

>Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 00:23:50 -0600

>

>Hi Matt -

>I have probably been on almost every antidepressent ever manufactured. I

>was on prozac for awhile and it made me feel like I drank about 20 cups of

>coffee.

>There are 3 classes of antidepressants:

>SSRI's (selective seratonin reuptake inhibitors) these include Prozac,

>Paxil, Zoloft and most of the new antidepressents.

>Trycyclics- include impramine, amatryptaline, desipramine. These are older

>and have more side effects like drowiness, constipation and dry mouth. I

>am

>on amatryptaline. It is one of the first anti depressants ever made, but

>it

>works better for me than any others.

>MAO inhibitors-include Nardil and Marplan. I have heard these work great

>but

>you have to be VERY careful about eating or drinking certain things with

>'tyramine' in it. This interaction can cause an extreme hypertensive (high

>blood pressure spike).

>Maybe it might be wise for you to try another type of antidepressant. There

>are loads of them, but if you react sensitively to an SSRI maybe you could

>try a trycyclic. The side effects are annoying at first, but for me they

>have been worth it.

>~Trixxi

>

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November 8, 1999

In a message dated 11/8/99 1:37:21 AM Pacific Standard Time,

mdprat@... writes:

<< hanks Trixxie. I haven't ruled out other alternative medicines. I just

know I want off prozac & lithium. They just aren't working. I tried St.

>>

HI. Just my two cents on antideppresants. I am on Remeron. Not sure how it

works or why, just know it does. I was on Prozac for years and was jumping

out of my skin and had to take Trazadone to sleep. Then Zoloft and shortly,

Effexor which landed me in the hospital after weeks of not sleeping. Then

Remeron and can't say I'm dancing for joy but it keeps things pretty level.

Don't think I could have handled school, the divorce, etc. without it.

Anyway Matt, you may want to ask your doctor about it. Beats white knuckling

depression. Please be careful. Hope you feel better soon. Kathy

November 8, 1999

Thank you Kathy. I too had to take trazadone to sleep when I was on paxil.

I wouldn't get to sleep until 5 am, and then I couldn't wake up for work.

On the prozac, I've just felt totally out of it, 24/7.

I just want to get back to feeling like myself. Unfortunately, my

usual self is sad a great deal of the time. I just don't recognize myself

on these meds. Nothing feels right.

I think if I had some stability in my life I could handle the changes

the meds are putting me through. If I wasn't trying to learn a new job,

trying to pay for bills and food, if I had any kind of solid relationship

with my family maybe.

But I worry when I would rather kill myself than go to work. That

scares me. I worry when my only desire is to give two weeks notice and quit

even though I don't have another job lined up.

I don't have a safety net. I dont' have parents to move back home with if I

fall flat on my face. My survival is up to me. For me, taking pills that

totally alter my life view are just too risky.

It makes sense in my head. Maybe if I was in a different situation

right now I could take 3 months to get used to the meds. Thanks again.

Matt

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>To: 12-step-freeegroups

>Subject: Re: antidepressants

>Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:59:37 EST

>

>In a message dated 11/8/99 1:37:21 AM Pacific Standard Time,

>mdprat@... writes:

>

><< hanks Trixxie. I haven't ruled out other alternative medicines. I just

> know I want off prozac & lithium. They just aren't working. I tried St.

> >>

>HI. Just my two cents on antideppresants. I am on Remeron. Not sure how

>it

>works or why, just know it does. I was on Prozac for years and was jumping

>out of my skin and had to take Trazadone to sleep. Then Zoloft and

>shortly,

>Effexor which landed me in the hospital after weeks of not sleeping. Then

>Remeron and can't say I'm dancing for joy but it keeps things pretty level.

>Don't think I could have handled school, the divorce, etc. without it.

>Anyway Matt, you may want to ask your doctor about it. Beats white

>knuckling

>depression. Please be careful. Hope you feel better soon. Kathy

>

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November 8, 1999

People are so different. Remeron didn't do a thing for me, but Effexor is

great, and while my doctor keeps warning me about the inability to sleep, this

has not been a problem for me at all. Never did have Prozac.

If people react so differently to meds, why can't the AA folks admit that people

will react differently to the program? Have you ever seen anyone blamed because

they took a particular pill and it didn't do the job? Yet intelligent and

educated people are still blaming ex-AA members who felt it wasn't for them.

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>In a message dated 11/8/99 1:37:21 AM Pacific Standard Time,

>mdprat@... writes:

>

><< hanks Trixxie. I haven't ruled out other alternative medicines. I just

> know I want off prozac & lithium. They just aren't working. I tried St.

> >>

>HI. Just my two cents on antideppresants. I am on Remeron. Not sure how it

>works or why, just know it does. I was on Prozac for years and was jumping

>out of my skin and had to take Trazadone to sleep. Then Zoloft and shortly,

>Effexor which landed me in the hospital after weeks of not sleeping. Then

>Remeron and can't say I'm dancing for joy but it keeps things pretty level.

>Don't think I could have handled school, the divorce, etc. without it.

>Anyway Matt, you may want to ask your doctor about it. Beats white knuckling

>depression. Please be careful. Hope you feel better soon. Kathy

>

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November 9, 1999

In a message dated 11/8/99 8:13:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,

kayleighs@... writes:

<< People are so different. Remeron didn't do a thing for me, but Effexor is

great, and while my doctor keeps warning me about the inability to sleep,

this has not been a problem for me at all. Never did have Prozac.

>>

On that line, I have never figured out why Percocet makes me wired. When in

the hospital I beg them not to use it as a pain med because I can't sleep at

all and when in pain that's what I do best, sleep. I had a horse once that

was given ace promezine to tranquilize for a long trip and he got wired. A

cat did the same thing. So like you were saying, we are all wired so

differently.

December 27, 2001

In a mild defence of Phyllis. If a diabetic is very uptight and stressed out

would it not be prudent to put them on antidepressants just to help get their

BGs down. Obviously not ALL diabetics are depressed but, a lot are and are on

no medication to help this condition. In my opinion (and it is only mine)

putting a lot of diabetics on antidepressants would be helpful for their

sugar levels. I think Phyllis is on the right trail in some ways but I don't

think it's necessary for everyone with this disease. Sorry but I feel poor

Phyllis is getting a bit of a raw deal.

Ruth

December 27, 2001

In a mild defence of Phyllis. If a diabetic is very uptight and stressed out

would it not be prudent to put them on antidepressants just to help get their

BGs down. Obviously not ALL diabetics are depressed but, a lot are and are on

no medication to help this condition. In my opinion (and it is only mine)

putting a lot of diabetics on antidepressants would be helpful for their

sugar levels. I think Phyllis is on the right trail in some ways but I don't

think it's necessary for everyone with this disease. Sorry but I feel poor

Phyllis is getting a bit of a raw deal.

Ruth

December 27, 2001

In a mild defence of Phyllis. If a diabetic is very uptight and stressed out

would it not be prudent to put them on antidepressants just to help get their

BGs down. Obviously not ALL diabetics are depressed but, a lot are and are on

no medication to help this condition. In my opinion (and it is only mine)

putting a lot of diabetics on antidepressants would be helpful for their

sugar levels. I think Phyllis is on the right trail in some ways but I don't

think it's necessary for everyone with this disease. Sorry but I feel poor

Phyllis is getting a bit of a raw deal.

Ruth

July 23, 2002

,

God Bless on your journey. A word of caution...with the finely

tuned " cocktail " of medications you are taking, please work with a

Dr. to wean off them. My daughter started weaning herself off a

similar mix for a similar problem, and upset the balance of drugs to

the point we almost needed to hospitalize her. I am not trying to

discourage you from comming off, I too feel it important to try and

get of as soon as possible. I just know from experience what doing

it without a Dr.'s supervision can do to your system. Please be

careful.

Cheri

> Hi, as you all know I have been on many medications for depression

and

> anxiety. I asked you all to pray for me and I wanted to tell you

that I have

> weaned myself off of one of the medicines called Trileptal. It is a

mood

> stabilizer and I feel great!! I am still on Effexor and Klonopin

and

> Zyprexa. I dont know which one to try to wean off of next. I think

the

> zyprexa would be a good idea. Its a slow journey but with your

prayers I am

> working towards good mental health as well as physical health. One

day soon I

> will be ready to have that baby I dream of.I just wanted you to

know your

> prayers are really working. Only 39 more days until I am married.

This looks

> like its going to be a great year for me. And that is something I

havent had

> in a long time. God Bless, ~

>

July 23, 2002