Guest guest Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 Bill, You know, there are lots of people who are looking for that " magic bullet " to cure all of the bad things in the World. They want to get better but they are not willing to make the commitment required to cause it happen. It is not just Diabetes either. These are the same folks who would drive down a gravel road at 80 mph regardless of the cautions they have been given about the possibility of losing control of their vehicle. When they hit the Emergency Room they complain bitterly about how the County does not keep up the roads and that is what caused the wreck, not the fact that they were completely out of control. These are the same people who bemoan the fact that they can not get ahead in a job but are not willing to show up for work on time and want to loaf on the job. As has said, don't be discouraged because you know that the information you have dispensed is reliable and valid. When I work with troubled youth I have to take solace in the fact that I may have caused one young person to make a change for the positive in their life. I can not help those who do not want to help themselves. I have discussed a good diet for a Diabetic and been completely ignored because " but, what about my candy? " Cy, the Ancient Okie... Re: Ah the frustration! bill, i am reading you loud and clear. do not give up as there are some of us that value your information. i have learned so much since i have become blind that a doctor never took the time to tell me. so maybe you have saved someone like me from further complications. that is pretty terrific. thanks, karen from canada Ah the frustration! > > You know, there are days when you just wonder why you try so hard to > educate people on diabetes control, because nothing you say sinks in. My > mother, who is 78 and has been diabetic for years, just will NOT > understand the concept of diabetes management. No matter how many times I > tell her not to eat fried food, that's what she eats. No matter that I > tell her to cut out the white bread, that's what she eats. Part of the > dynamic is that since she lost her vision, she counts on my dad to do the > cooking, but wh > o did he learn from? My mom. So he carries on the tradition of fried foods > and the other bad habits that she's been following for years. I wish I > could lead her to a healthy happy life but she's just not going to change. > > And then there's a friend of mine whose sister is diabetic and not > only > does she not take any kind of diabetic management seriously, she's > oblivious to the dangers she puts herself at. We can talk to her till > she's blue in the face but she insists that a blood sugar of 240 one hour > after eating is perfectly OK. Of course she's very overweight (350+ > pounds) and eats all the time, eating unhealthy foods at that. > > These are just two examples of failing to reach and teach people about > controlling their diabetes. > > And then there's the people I run into at the mall or on the bus who > STILL > get told that " drinking a glass of orange juice " or " crackers and OJ " to > recover from a low sugar is OK, or " eating a candy bar " to bring your > sugar up is fine, this because they were told by a doctor, who's supposed > to know better. And you try to tell them that's not so, and the attitude > is " what do you know, are you a doctor? " All I can say is " No, I'm a > well-educated diabetic that has learned that not everything a doctor says > is t > rue. " > > I'm just venting today. I'm in one of those " why do I bother to preach > and > teach " moods. I just hate seeing people suffer and hate it when I can't > get through. It's places like this board that have taught me better than I > could have ever learned from my doc, and I just feel it's important to get > other people on the bandwagon. > > Bill Powers > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 Cy, Very well put. Years ago, I was listening to a public service program on a local radio station where a doctor made a remark I've always remembered: " We're doctors, not magicians. People come to us expecting us to fix them up but they won't help... " Yup, that about sums it up. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 Cy, Very well put. Years ago, I was listening to a public service program on a local radio station where a doctor made a remark I've always remembered: " We're doctors, not magicians. People come to us expecting us to fix them up but they won't help... " Yup, that about sums it up. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 Cy, Very well put. Years ago, I was listening to a public service program on a local radio station where a doctor made a remark I've always remembered: " We're doctors, not magicians. People come to us expecting us to fix them up but they won't help... " Yup, that about sums it up. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 I can say that with lots of information given I get it all mixed up. A little at a time is better for me. I get bits and peaces in the wrong spots. I am sure as the months go by I will understand it much more but until then I can only do one step at a time. I will never give everything up, but learn how to eat it in small amounts. A plus is happening for me, my husband is seeing that I am loosing weight and he wants to try what I am doing to see if the same thing will happen. For me this is a huge plus. I will ask questions and it will help when we can do this together. At this time he isn't a diabetic but it sure is a huge lift where you want to keep trying when you know your husband in my case is behind me. Where I don't have to stand alone. Thank you. --Dar --Every Saint has a Past, Every Sinner has a Future Ah the frustration! > > >> >> You know, there are days when you just wonder why you try so hard to >> educate people on diabetes control, because nothing you say sinks in. > My >> mother, who is 78 and has been diabetic for years, just will NOT >> understand the concept of diabetes management. No matter how many > times I >> tell her not to eat fried food, that's what she eats. No matter that I > >> tell her to cut out the white bread, that's what she eats. Part of the > >> dynamic is that since she lost her vision, she counts on my dad to do > the >> cooking, but wh >> o did he learn from? My mom. So he carries on the tradition of fried > foods >> and the other bad habits that she's been following for years. I wish I > >> could lead her to a healthy happy life but she's just not going to > change. >> >> And then there's a friend of mine whose sister is diabetic and not >> only >> does she not take any kind of diabetic management seriously, she's >> oblivious to the dangers she puts herself at. We can talk to her till >> she's blue in the face but she insists that a blood sugar of 240 one > hour >> after eating is perfectly OK. Of course she's very overweight (350+ >> pounds) and eats all the time, eating unhealthy foods at that. >> >> These are just two examples of failing to reach and teach people about >> controlling their diabetes. >> >> And then there's the people I run into at the mall or on the bus who >> STILL >> get told that " drinking a glass of orange juice " or " crackers and OJ " > to >> recover from a low sugar is OK, or " eating a candy bar " to bring your >> sugar up is fine, this because they were told by a doctor, who's > supposed >> to know better. And you try to tell them that's not so, and the > attitude >> is " what do you know, are you a doctor? " All I can say is " No, I'm a >> well-educated diabetic that has learned that not everything a doctor > says >> is t >> rue. " >> >> I'm just venting today. I'm in one of those " why do I bother to preach > >> and >> teach " moods. I just hate seeing people suffer and hate it when I > can't >> get through. It's places like this board that have taught me better > than I >> could have ever learned from my doc, and I just feel it's important to > get >> other people on the bandwagon. >> >> Bill Powers >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 I can say that with lots of information given I get it all mixed up. A little at a time is better for me. I get bits and peaces in the wrong spots. I am sure as the months go by I will understand it much more but until then I can only do one step at a time. I will never give everything up, but learn how to eat it in small amounts. A plus is happening for me, my husband is seeing that I am loosing weight and he wants to try what I am doing to see if the same thing will happen. For me this is a huge plus. I will ask questions and it will help when we can do this together. At this time he isn't a diabetic but it sure is a huge lift where you want to keep trying when you know your husband in my case is behind me. Where I don't have to stand alone. Thank you. --Dar --Every Saint has a Past, Every Sinner has a Future Ah the frustration! > > >> >> You know, there are days when you just wonder why you try so hard to >> educate people on diabetes control, because nothing you say sinks in. > My >> mother, who is 78 and has been diabetic for years, just will NOT >> understand the concept of diabetes management. No matter how many > times I >> tell her not to eat fried food, that's what she eats. No matter that I > >> tell her to cut out the white bread, that's what she eats. Part of the > >> dynamic is that since she lost her vision, she counts on my dad to do > the >> cooking, but wh >> o did he learn from? My mom. So he carries on the tradition of fried > foods >> and the other bad habits that she's been following for years. I wish I > >> could lead her to a healthy happy life but she's just not going to > change. >> >> And then there's a friend of mine whose sister is diabetic and not >> only >> does she not take any kind of diabetic management seriously, she's >> oblivious to the dangers she puts herself at. We can talk to her till >> she's blue in the face but she insists that a blood sugar of 240 one > hour >> after eating is perfectly OK. Of course she's very overweight (350+ >> pounds) and eats all the time, eating unhealthy foods at that. >> >> These are just two examples of failing to reach and teach people about >> controlling their diabetes. >> >> And then there's the people I run into at the mall or on the bus who >> STILL >> get told that " drinking a glass of orange juice " or " crackers and OJ " > to >> recover from a low sugar is OK, or " eating a candy bar " to bring your >> sugar up is fine, this because they were told by a doctor, who's > supposed >> to know better. And you try to tell them that's not so, and the > attitude >> is " what do you know, are you a doctor? " All I can say is " No, I'm a >> well-educated diabetic that has learned that not everything a doctor > says >> is t >> rue. " >> >> I'm just venting today. I'm in one of those " why do I bother to preach > >> and >> teach " moods. I just hate seeing people suffer and hate it when I > can't >> get through. It's places like this board that have taught me better > than I >> could have ever learned from my doc, and I just feel it's important to > get >> other people on the bandwagon. >> >> Bill Powers >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 I can say that with lots of information given I get it all mixed up. A little at a time is better for me. I get bits and peaces in the wrong spots. I am sure as the months go by I will understand it much more but until then I can only do one step at a time. I will never give everything up, but learn how to eat it in small amounts. A plus is happening for me, my husband is seeing that I am loosing weight and he wants to try what I am doing to see if the same thing will happen. For me this is a huge plus. I will ask questions and it will help when we can do this together. At this time he isn't a diabetic but it sure is a huge lift where you want to keep trying when you know your husband in my case is behind me. Where I don't have to stand alone. Thank you. --Dar --Every Saint has a Past, Every Sinner has a Future Ah the frustration! > > >> >> You know, there are days when you just wonder why you try so hard to >> educate people on diabetes control, because nothing you say sinks in. > My >> mother, who is 78 and has been diabetic for years, just will NOT >> understand the concept of diabetes management. No matter how many > times I >> tell her not to eat fried food, that's what she eats. No matter that I > >> tell her to cut out the white bread, that's what she eats. Part of the > >> dynamic is that since she lost her vision, she counts on my dad to do > the >> cooking, but wh >> o did he learn from? My mom. So he carries on the tradition of fried > foods >> and the other bad habits that she's been following for years. I wish I > >> could lead her to a healthy happy life but she's just not going to > change. >> >> And then there's a friend of mine whose sister is diabetic and not >> only >> does she not take any kind of diabetic management seriously, she's >> oblivious to the dangers she puts herself at. We can talk to her till >> she's blue in the face but she insists that a blood sugar of 240 one > hour >> after eating is perfectly OK. Of course she's very overweight (350+ >> pounds) and eats all the time, eating unhealthy foods at that. >> >> These are just two examples of failing to reach and teach people about >> controlling their diabetes. >> >> And then there's the people I run into at the mall or on the bus who >> STILL >> get told that " drinking a glass of orange juice " or " crackers and OJ " > to >> recover from a low sugar is OK, or " eating a candy bar " to bring your >> sugar up is fine, this because they were told by a doctor, who's > supposed >> to know better. And you try to tell them that's not so, and the > attitude >> is " what do you know, are you a doctor? " All I can say is " No, I'm a >> well-educated diabetic that has learned that not everything a doctor > says >> is t >> rue. " >> >> I'm just venting today. I'm in one of those " why do I bother to preach > >> and >> teach " moods. I just hate seeing people suffer and hate it when I > can't >> get through. It's places like this board that have taught me better > than I >> could have ever learned from my doc, and I just feel it's important to > get >> other people on the bandwagon. >> >> Bill Powers >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 it can be frustrating bill when folks won't listen. What I found myself doing is talking about me, rather than talking to them. This way, they are not defensive and listen. For example, I ride to work every day with a type 2 diabetic/her a1c is 6.3. I tell her what I had for breakfast, how many carb grams were in the meal, and what my two hour post meal will be. I tell her what I eat at restaurants which shows her how to substitute carbs with veggies. I also tell her I eat glucose tablets since 1 tablet raises my sugar about 20 points. This way, she is learning without me telling her what she needs to do. I am just always telling her what I do, why it works, and so on. I think it is working. She is gaining so much information from me doing this that it is great. The other day, she told me I have learned so much from you... more than a doctor has ever told me. Is she practising any of it? Nope. However, she now has the knowledge to use it when ever she wants to. To me, that is key, imparting the knowledge so when complications do start to surface, they know what to do. So, my advice? Talk about you all the time to your mom and dad. What you eat, why you eat it, the results, and so on. Even have meals with them and tell them no thanks on the starches that will slaughter my two hour post meal test. Take your sugar 2 hours past eating in front of them and show them what it is. If possible, take your moms and show it to them and so on. Look for ways to use yourself to instruct others rather than telling them what they are doing wrong. This might work. Regards, Re: Ah the frustration! > > Cy, > > Very well put. > > Years ago, I was listening to a public service program on a local radio > station where a doctor made a remark I've always remembered: " We're > doctors, > not magicians. People come to us expecting us to fix them up but they > won't > help... " Yup, that about sums it up. > > Bill > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 nicely put , I enjoyed reading your inspirational letter, and I agree with you. I know how Bill feels. I tried to help a new diabetic only last year, and he would rather have his alcoholic drink and didn't want to know. He can't accept his diabetes. Rowe. Ah the frustration! > > > > > > You know, there are days when you just wonder why you try so hard to > > educate people on diabetes control, because nothing you say sinks in. My > > mother, who is 78 and has been diabetic for years, just will NOT > > understand the concept of diabetes management. No matter how many times I > > tell her not to eat fried food, that's what she eats. No matter that I > > tell her to cut out the white bread, that's what she eats. Part of the > > dynamic is that since she lost her vision, she counts on my dad to do the > > cooking, but wh > > o did he learn from? My mom. So he carries on the tradition of fried foods > > and the other bad habits that she's been following for years. I wish I > > could lead her to a healthy happy life but she's just not going to change. > > > > And then there's a friend of mine whose sister is diabetic and not only > > does she not take any kind of diabetic management seriously, she's > > oblivious to the dangers she puts herself at. We can talk to her till > > she's blue in the face but she insists that a blood sugar of 240 one hour > > after eating is perfectly OK. Of course she's very overweight (350+ > > pounds) and eats all the time, eating unhealthy foods at that. > > > > These are just two examples of failing to reach and teach people about > > controlling their diabetes. > > > > And then there's the people I run into at the mall or on the bus who STILL > > get told that " drinking a glass of orange juice " or " crackers and OJ " to > > recover from a low sugar is OK, or " eating a candy bar " to bring your > > sugar up is fine, this because they were told by a doctor, who's supposed > > to know better. And you try to tell them that's not so, and the attitude > > is " what do you know, are you a doctor? " All I can say is " No, I'm a > > well-educated diabetic that has learned that not everything a doctor says > > is t > > rue. " > > > > I'm just venting today. I'm in one of those " why do I bother to preach and > > teach " moods. I just hate seeing people suffer and hate it when I can't > > get through. It's places like this board that have taught me better than I > > could have ever learned from my doc, and I just feel it's important to get > > other people on the bandwagon. > > > > Bill Powers > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 nicely put , I enjoyed reading your inspirational letter, and I agree with you. I know how Bill feels. I tried to help a new diabetic only last year, and he would rather have his alcoholic drink and didn't want to know. He can't accept his diabetes. Rowe. Ah the frustration! > > > > > > You know, there are days when you just wonder why you try so hard to > > educate people on diabetes control, because nothing you say sinks in. My > > mother, who is 78 and has been diabetic for years, just will NOT > > understand the concept of diabetes management. No matter how many times I > > tell her not to eat fried food, that's what she eats. No matter that I > > tell her to cut out the white bread, that's what she eats. Part of the > > dynamic is that since she lost her vision, she counts on my dad to do the > > cooking, but wh > > o did he learn from? My mom. So he carries on the tradition of fried foods > > and the other bad habits that she's been following for years. I wish I > > could lead her to a healthy happy life but she's just not going to change. > > > > And then there's a friend of mine whose sister is diabetic and not only > > does she not take any kind of diabetic management seriously, she's > > oblivious to the dangers she puts herself at. We can talk to her till > > she's blue in the face but she insists that a blood sugar of 240 one hour > > after eating is perfectly OK. Of course she's very overweight (350+ > > pounds) and eats all the time, eating unhealthy foods at that. > > > > These are just two examples of failing to reach and teach people about > > controlling their diabetes. > > > > And then there's the people I run into at the mall or on the bus who STILL > > get told that " drinking a glass of orange juice " or " crackers and OJ " to > > recover from a low sugar is OK, or " eating a candy bar " to bring your > > sugar up is fine, this because they were told by a doctor, who's supposed > > to know better. And you try to tell them that's not so, and the attitude > > is " what do you know, are you a doctor? " All I can say is " No, I'm a > > well-educated diabetic that has learned that not everything a doctor says > > is t > > rue. " > > > > I'm just venting today. I'm in one of those " why do I bother to preach and > > teach " moods. I just hate seeing people suffer and hate it when I can't > > get through. It's places like this board that have taught me better than I > > could have ever learned from my doc, and I just feel it's important to get > > other people on the bandwagon. > > > > Bill Powers > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 Very good advice ! Yes using your own example to help others is better than any " preaching " you could muster. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 Very good advice ! Yes using your own example to help others is better than any " preaching " you could muster. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 , Some people still subscribe to the myth that " if I don't tell the doctor, he won't know, and if he doesn't know, it won't hurt me. " My mom practiced that for years and now she's stuck with diabetes, RP, kidney problems, colon problems, arthritis, and gastric problems. She drank and smoked a lot in her lifetime and now at 78 her body is paying her back for a lifetime of abuse. Still, she could feel somewhat better if she could really grasp the diabetes info I've passed on to her but I think she still has that old addage that if she sweeps it under the rug by not dealing with it, it'll just go away by itself. If only life were that simple! Years ago when my dad was alive, I tried to get him to quit eating fried foods because he'd had so many strokes and he had a high cholesterol of 485. Despite all that, he continued to have biscuits and gravy and fried chicken daily. Nothing sank in. After 20 minor strokes he had one major one and he's finally at peace in another place. He just didn't or couldn't listen. I know it's not my fault but it still hurts that he suffered for his own lack of being proactive to better treat his medical conditions. What a shame. But just as I had to do with the Christian radio ministry I was in years ago, I savor the victory of the one person I reach as being worth more than the many I can't touch. While wishing I could reach them all, at least by helping one person, I've done my job. OK, so much for my melodramatic speech for today. Turn off the mike and bring up the theme music now....Oh that's right, we're not on the air, what was I thinking???? Mister Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 , Some people still subscribe to the myth that " if I don't tell the doctor, he won't know, and if he doesn't know, it won't hurt me. " My mom practiced that for years and now she's stuck with diabetes, RP, kidney problems, colon problems, arthritis, and gastric problems. She drank and smoked a lot in her lifetime and now at 78 her body is paying her back for a lifetime of abuse. Still, she could feel somewhat better if she could really grasp the diabetes info I've passed on to her but I think she still has that old addage that if she sweeps it under the rug by not dealing with it, it'll just go away by itself. If only life were that simple! Years ago when my dad was alive, I tried to get him to quit eating fried foods because he'd had so many strokes and he had a high cholesterol of 485. Despite all that, he continued to have biscuits and gravy and fried chicken daily. Nothing sank in. After 20 minor strokes he had one major one and he's finally at peace in another place. He just didn't or couldn't listen. I know it's not my fault but it still hurts that he suffered for his own lack of being proactive to better treat his medical conditions. What a shame. But just as I had to do with the Christian radio ministry I was in years ago, I savor the victory of the one person I reach as being worth more than the many I can't touch. While wishing I could reach them all, at least by helping one person, I've done my job. OK, so much for my melodramatic speech for today. Turn off the mike and bring up the theme music now....Oh that's right, we're not on the air, what was I thinking???? Mister Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 bill, i think anytime i am down and out i will think of wayne and his problems and be greatful for what i have. but i worry that people like you will stop helping others and i think that would be a crying shame. remember others are reading these messages and learn by even mistakes that are being made. so do not give up on us, smile. we need all the help we can get, karen from canada Re: Ah the frustration! > > , > > I'm always glad if I can help someone just as others have helped me. When > people ask for help and then don't take the advice I give, it makes me > sad. > When someone just refuses any advice yet gripes about their health > bemoaning > their own doom, it really frosts me because I just can't do anything to > help > them. > > We can only hope that people will start to take up and take charge of > their > own health destiny. > > > Bill Powers > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 bill, i think anytime i am down and out i will think of wayne and his problems and be greatful for what i have. but i worry that people like you will stop helping others and i think that would be a crying shame. remember others are reading these messages and learn by even mistakes that are being made. so do not give up on us, smile. we need all the help we can get, karen from canada Re: Ah the frustration! > > , > > I'm always glad if I can help someone just as others have helped me. When > people ask for help and then don't take the advice I give, it makes me > sad. > When someone just refuses any advice yet gripes about their health > bemoaning > their own doom, it really frosts me because I just can't do anything to > help > them. > > We can only hope that people will start to take up and take charge of > their > own health destiny. > > > Bill Powers > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 You are absolutely right, CY. The old adage " you can lead a horse to water... " holds very true with people. There is a man on another list who is very, very overweight, runs and A1C of over 8 and is having many heart and other vascular problems, but he refuses to cut down on his eating and gets real defensive if anyone even comments on his lack of diet control. This is a highly educated man, who. So, the next time, I am just going to tell him that we don't want to listen to his complaints about his particular vascular problem when he doesn't want to do anything about controlling his food intake. One can be sympathetic for only so long! Re: Ah the frustration! bill, i am reading you loud and clear. do not give up as there are some of us that value your information. i have learned so much since i have become blind that a doctor never took the time to tell me. so maybe you have saved someone like me from further complications. that is pretty terrific. thanks, karen from canada Ah the frustration! > > You know, there are days when you just wonder why you try so hard to > educate people on diabetes control, because nothing you say sinks in. My > mother, who is 78 and has been diabetic for years, just will NOT > understand the concept of diabetes management. No matter how many times I > tell her not to eat fried food, that's what she eats. No matter that I > tell her to cut out the white bread, that's what she eats. Part of the > dynamic is that since she lost her vision, she counts on my dad to do the > cooking, but wh > o did he learn from? My mom. So he carries on the tradition of fried foods > and the other bad habits that she's been following for years. I wish I > could lead her to a healthy happy life but she's just not going to change. > > And then there's a friend of mine whose sister is diabetic and not > only > does she not take any kind of diabetic management seriously, she's > oblivious to the dangers she puts herself at. We can talk to her till > she's blue in the face but she insists that a blood sugar of 240 one hour > after eating is perfectly OK. Of course she's very overweight (350+ > pounds) and eats all the time, eating unhealthy foods at that. > > These are just two examples of failing to reach and teach people about > controlling their diabetes. > > And then there's the people I run into at the mall or on the bus who > STILL > get told that " drinking a glass of orange juice " or " crackers and OJ " to > recover from a low sugar is OK, or " eating a candy bar " to bring your > sugar up is fine, this because they were told by a doctor, who's supposed > to know better. And you try to tell them that's not so, and the attitude > is " what do you know, are you a doctor? " All I can say is " No, I'm a > well-educated diabetic that has learned that not everything a doctor says > is t > rue. " > > I'm just venting today. I'm in one of those " why do I bother to preach > and > teach " moods. I just hate seeing people suffer and hate it when I can't > get through. It's places like this board that have taught me better than I > could have ever learned from my doc, and I just feel it's important to get > other people on the bandwagon. > > Bill Powers > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 That is very true Dar. It is always great to have a supportive spouse. Cy is an example of that foor his wife. (smile) Re: Ah the frustration! I can say that with lots of information given I get it all mixed up. A little at a time is better for me. I get bits and peaces in the wrong spots. I am sure as the months go by I will understand it much more but until then I can only do one step at a time. I will never give everything up, but learn how to eat it in small amounts. A plus is happening for me, my husband is seeing that I am loosing weight and he wants to try what I am doing to see if the same thing will happen. For me this is a huge plus. I will ask questions and it will help when we can do this together. At this time he isn't a diabetic but it sure is a huge lift where you want to keep trying when you know your husband in my case is behind me. Where I don't have to stand alone. Thank you. --Dar --Every Saint has a Past, Every Sinner has a Future Ah the frustration! > > >> >> You know, there are days when you just wonder why you try so hard to >> educate people on diabetes control, because nothing you say sinks in. > My >> mother, who is 78 and has been diabetic for years, just will NOT >> understand the concept of diabetes management. No matter how many > times I >> tell her not to eat fried food, that's what she eats. No matter that I > >> tell her to cut out the white bread, that's what she eats. Part of the > >> dynamic is that since she lost her vision, she counts on my dad to do > the >> cooking, but wh >> o did he learn from? My mom. So he carries on the tradition of fried > foods >> and the other bad habits that she's been following for years. I wish I > >> could lead her to a healthy happy life but she's just not going to > change. >> >> And then there's a friend of mine whose sister is diabetic and not >> only >> does she not take any kind of diabetic management seriously, she's >> oblivious to the dangers she puts herself at. We can talk to her till >> she's blue in the face but she insists that a blood sugar of 240 one > hour >> after eating is perfectly OK. Of course she's very overweight (350+ >> pounds) and eats all the time, eating unhealthy foods at that. >> >> These are just two examples of failing to reach and teach people about >> controlling their diabetes. >> >> And then there's the people I run into at the mall or on the bus who >> STILL >> get told that " drinking a glass of orange juice " or " crackers and OJ " > to >> recover from a low sugar is OK, or " eating a candy bar " to bring your >> sugar up is fine, this because they were told by a doctor, who's > supposed >> to know better. And you try to tell them that's not so, and the > attitude >> is " what do you know, are you a doctor? " All I can say is " No, I'm a >> well-educated diabetic that has learned that not everything a doctor > says >> is t >> rue. " >> >> I'm just venting today. I'm in one of those " why do I bother to preach > >> and >> teach " moods. I just hate seeing people suffer and hate it when I > can't >> get through. It's places like this board that have taught me better > than I >> could have ever learned from my doc, and I just feel it's important to > get >> other people on the bandwagon. >> >> Bill Powers >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 So is it being said I need to leave the list because I keep asking questions on how to do something? Everyone has a different answer on how to do something. You folks are not perfect and for that I am glad. But I won't stay on a list where folks feel the castle is theirs and I am someone to step on. You had a beginning and asked many questions, You all made mistakes and still do. If you didn't you wouldn't be the diabetic persons you are. I have read enough messages here that I have felt if I make a mistake a crime happens. I thought I had the rite to ask questions. But I don't mind leaving. Thanks for your helpfulness. There for the grace of God go I. --Dar --Every Saint has a Past, Every Sinner has a Future Ah the frustration! > > >> >> You know, there are days when you just wonder why you try so hard to >> educate people on diabetes control, because nothing you say sinks in. > My >> mother, who is 78 and has been diabetic for years, just will NOT >> understand the concept of diabetes management. No matter how many > times I >> tell her not to eat fried food, that's what she eats. No matter that I > >> tell her to cut out the white bread, that's what she eats. Part of the > >> dynamic is that since she lost her vision, she counts on my dad to do > the >> cooking, but wh >> o did he learn from? My mom. So he carries on the tradition of fried > foods >> and the other bad habits that she's been following for years. I wish I > >> could lead her to a healthy happy life but she's just not going to > change. >> >> And then there's a friend of mine whose sister is diabetic and not >> only >> does she not take any kind of diabetic management seriously, she's >> oblivious to the dangers she puts herself at. We can talk to her till >> she's blue in the face but she insists that a blood sugar of 240 one > hour >> after eating is perfectly OK. Of course she's very overweight (350+ >> pounds) and eats all the time, eating unhealthy foods at that. >> >> These are just two examples of failing to reach and teach people about >> controlling their diabetes. >> >> And then there's the people I run into at the mall or on the bus who >> STILL >> get told that " drinking a glass of orange juice " or " crackers and OJ " > to >> recover from a low sugar is OK, or " eating a candy bar " to bring your >> sugar up is fine, this because they were told by a doctor, who's > supposed >> to know better. And you try to tell them that's not so, and the > attitude >> is " what do you know, are you a doctor? " All I can say is " No, I'm a >> well-educated diabetic that has learned that not everything a doctor > says >> is t >> rue. " >> >> I'm just venting today. I'm in one of those " why do I bother to preach > >> and >> teach " moods. I just hate seeing people suffer and hate it when I > can't >> get through. It's places like this board that have taught me better > than I >> could have ever learned from my doc, and I just feel it's important to > get >> other people on the bandwagon. >> >> Bill Powers >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Yes Jim is willing to support me, we are working on transportation issues and folks are dragging their feet on getting the accucheck. I am stepping on toes for this one as well. I am being told that the strips do not cost do not cost for one hundred strips sixty five or seventy five dollars. I know differently. Then they wonder why my pressure is so high. --Dar --Every Saint has a Past, Every Sinner has a Future Ah the frustration! >> >> >>> >>> You know, there are days when you just wonder why you try so hard to >>> educate people on diabetes control, because nothing you say sinks in. >> My >>> mother, who is 78 and has been diabetic for years, just will NOT >>> understand the concept of diabetes management. No matter how many >> times I >>> tell her not to eat fried food, that's what she eats. No matter that I >> >>> tell her to cut out the white bread, that's what she eats. Part of the >> >>> dynamic is that since she lost her vision, she counts on my dad to do >> the >>> cooking, but wh >>> o did he learn from? My mom. So he carries on the tradition of fried >> foods >>> and the other bad habits that she's been following for years. I wish I >> >>> could lead her to a healthy happy life but she's just not going to >> change. >>> >>> And then there's a friend of mine whose sister is diabetic and not >>> only >>> does she not take any kind of diabetic management seriously, she's >>> oblivious to the dangers she puts herself at. We can talk to her till >>> she's blue in the face but she insists that a blood sugar of 240 one >> hour >>> after eating is perfectly OK. Of course she's very overweight (350+ >>> pounds) and eats all the time, eating unhealthy foods at that. >>> >>> These are just two examples of failing to reach and teach people about >>> controlling their diabetes. >>> >>> And then there's the people I run into at the mall or on the bus who >>> STILL >>> get told that " drinking a glass of orange juice " or " crackers and OJ " >> to >>> recover from a low sugar is OK, or " eating a candy bar " to bring your >>> sugar up is fine, this because they were told by a doctor, who's >> supposed >>> to know better. And you try to tell them that's not so, and the >> attitude >>> is " what do you know, are you a doctor? " All I can say is " No, I'm a >>> well-educated diabetic that has learned that not everything a doctor >> says >>> is t >>> rue. " >>> >>> I'm just venting today. I'm in one of those " why do I bother to preach >> >>> and >>> teach " moods. I just hate seeing people suffer and hate it when I >> can't >>> get through. It's places like this board that have taught me better >> than I >>> could have ever learned from my doc, and I just feel it's important to >> get >>> other people on the bandwagon. >>> >>> Bill Powers >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 , That is a good approach. Unfortunately, we have to use this " tough love " approach for people who just won't listen even though they want to be listened to. The sister of a friend of mine is severely overweight, is now diabetic and has colon problems but refuses to adhere to any kind of good hygiene habits nor will she take a diabetic diet seriously. Being about 200 pounds overweight, you can tell her " you've got to cut down on those triple-helping meals " to which she just sarcastically says " yeah, right. " She's due for hernia surgery shortly but is putting off her surgery because she's " expecting a miracle " from the Lord yet won't do anything to help her situation. I told my friend to quit giving her advice, pray for her but quit showing any kind of attention or concern. I figure if this lady wants to wreck herself and possibly wear a bag the rest of what might be a short life, then more power to her. There are others who want to live that could use my attention. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Dar, Who on earth said you should leave the list? No, you need to stay, ask questions, get answers and then apply those answers to your life. If you are willing to take the advice we give here then the list can be a big help to you. If you merely hear the advice and were to just write it off in disbelief, then the list would be a waste of your time. But the fact that you are here shows you want help and we're certainly here for that. I have no idea of who would tell you to get off the list, no I. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Dar, Who on earth said you should leave the list? No, you need to stay, ask questions, get answers and then apply those answers to your life. If you are willing to take the advice we give here then the list can be a big help to you. If you merely hear the advice and were to just write it off in disbelief, then the list would be a waste of your time. But the fact that you are here shows you want help and we're certainly here for that. I have no idea of who would tell you to get off the list, no I. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Bill I will make mistakes and that I am grateful for, because I can't learn about something if I don't. But I need baby steps, I just can't get it all straight in such a short time and try to do what I am asked to do locally. I get over whelmed. So I could be like the others who are doing what you are speaking about. I am loosing weight and this is good. A small bit at a time but I don't want to loose it fast. Will see the doctor on the eleventh and this is a killer. The same transportation that said they wanted nothing to do with me has accepted my husband. I have to make three week appointments but he can call in three days. Because I am fifty two and they don't want to help me. He is fifty six and they are willing to help. So it is getting harder for me to get back and forth to see the doctor. This is some of the stuff I don't understand. --Dar --Every Saint has a Past, Every Sinner has a Future Re: Ah the frustration! > > Dar, > > Who on earth said you should leave the list? No, you need to stay, ask > questions, get answers and then apply those answers to your life. If you > are > willing to take the advice we give here then the list can be a big help to > you. If you merely hear the advice and were to just write it off in > disbelief, then the list would be a waste of your time. But the fact that > you are here shows you want help and we're certainly here for that. > > I have no idea of who would tell you to get off the list, no I. > > Bill > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Bill I will make mistakes and that I am grateful for, because I can't learn about something if I don't. But I need baby steps, I just can't get it all straight in such a short time and try to do what I am asked to do locally. I get over whelmed. So I could be like the others who are doing what you are speaking about. I am loosing weight and this is good. A small bit at a time but I don't want to loose it fast. Will see the doctor on the eleventh and this is a killer. The same transportation that said they wanted nothing to do with me has accepted my husband. I have to make three week appointments but he can call in three days. Because I am fifty two and they don't want to help me. He is fifty six and they are willing to help. So it is getting harder for me to get back and forth to see the doctor. This is some of the stuff I don't understand. --Dar --Every Saint has a Past, Every Sinner has a Future Re: Ah the frustration! > > Dar, > > Who on earth said you should leave the list? No, you need to stay, ask > questions, get answers and then apply those answers to your life. If you > are > willing to take the advice we give here then the list can be a big help to > you. If you merely hear the advice and were to just write it off in > disbelief, then the list would be a waste of your time. But the fact that > you are here shows you want help and we're certainly here for that. > > I have no idea of who would tell you to get off the list, no I. > > Bill > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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