Guest guest Posted November 18, 1999 Report Share Posted November 18, 1999 I guess I must have known that...(about the seizures and the ECT being an induction of a seizure). I don't know...it just sounds so ARCHAIC. I guess maybe the method of administering may have improved the procedure in the last couple of decades. I guess if it worked for you, that is good. I am sorry about your mother and her problems. It must have been a horrible experience for you. I have heard it said that suicide is a very selfish act. I think the people who say those things don't have any idea of the tremendous amount of pain that can overwhelm a person, clinically, genetically, trauma-induced, or otherwise. I have not always thought about it this way. At one time I actually agreed with the statement, but now I believe a human being can only take so much pain. That is a big reason that I have not gotten myself hypnotized to find out what the extent of my abuse really was. My brain has said, " you know this much and that's all you need to know-I can't give you anymore " . And I am FINE with that. butterbean-@... wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=9509 > Hi all - > , ECT induces a seizure onto people. It has been discovered that by > inducing a seizure on a person, that brain chemistry is altered, especially > for people with major depression. It originally had been attempted on > people with other MI's like schizophrenia, but it is pretty much now > exclusively done on people with depressive disorders. For some perplexing > reason, it works very well on 'snapping' people out of a depressive episode. > It is usually a last resort, when things like meds don't work. It can be > particularily helpful with people who are catatonic. Or like my own > problem-chronic insomnia. > I have always had a low grade depression problem since about age 11 but what > triggered the really BAD major depression was my mother making a suicide > attempt. She o.d.ed on a ton of amatryptiline which is a trycyclic > antidepressant. If my father wouldn't have come home at lunch time, she > would have died. Ironically, I did the same exact thing about 3 years > later. But (this is what I was told - I don't remember it) apparently I > called a crisis hotline after taking the pills and said " I don't want to > die! " I was unconscious when the paramedics found me. I had to be > intubated, lavaged (stomach pumped) and hooked to a respirator, heart > monitor, and I had 3 IV sites-one into a major artery. This business led to > a rollar coaster ride in and out of psych wards, treatment centers, group > homes for people with MI's, etc. I feel like I am slowly snapping out of it > now. But it has been a hellacious ride. > ~Trixxi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 1999 Report Share Posted November 18, 1999 I guess I must have known that...(about the seizures and the ECT being an induction of a seizure). I don't know...it just sounds so ARCHAIC. I guess maybe the method of administering may have improved the procedure in the last couple of decades. I guess if it worked for you, that is good. I am sorry about your mother and her problems. It must have been a horrible experience for you. I have heard it said that suicide is a very selfish act. I think the people who say those things don't have any idea of the tremendous amount of pain that can overwhelm a person, clinically, genetically, trauma-induced, or otherwise. I have not always thought about it this way. At one time I actually agreed with the statement, but now I believe a human being can only take so much pain. That is a big reason that I have not gotten myself hypnotized to find out what the extent of my abuse really was. My brain has said, " you know this much and that's all you need to know-I can't give you anymore " . And I am FINE with that. butterbean-@... wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=9509 > Hi all - > , ECT induces a seizure onto people. It has been discovered that by > inducing a seizure on a person, that brain chemistry is altered, especially > for people with major depression. It originally had been attempted on > people with other MI's like schizophrenia, but it is pretty much now > exclusively done on people with depressive disorders. For some perplexing > reason, it works very well on 'snapping' people out of a depressive episode. > It is usually a last resort, when things like meds don't work. It can be > particularily helpful with people who are catatonic. Or like my own > problem-chronic insomnia. > I have always had a low grade depression problem since about age 11 but what > triggered the really BAD major depression was my mother making a suicide > attempt. She o.d.ed on a ton of amatryptiline which is a trycyclic > antidepressant. If my father wouldn't have come home at lunch time, she > would have died. Ironically, I did the same exact thing about 3 years > later. But (this is what I was told - I don't remember it) apparently I > called a crisis hotline after taking the pills and said " I don't want to > die! " I was unconscious when the paramedics found me. I had to be > intubated, lavaged (stomach pumped) and hooked to a respirator, heart > monitor, and I had 3 IV sites-one into a major artery. This business led to > a rollar coaster ride in and out of psych wards, treatment centers, group > homes for people with MI's, etc. I feel like I am slowly snapping out of it > now. But it has been a hellacious ride. > ~Trixxi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 1999 Report Share Posted November 19, 1999 Hi ECT is thought to work by raising those good ol' neurotrasmitter levels in the brain. The electric current stimulates their relese. the ECT techniques have been improved. One improvement is to avoid passing current through the language centres of the brain, which reduces the amount of amnesia that can be caused. Best, Pete " wendy rose " wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=9511 > I guess I must have known that...(about the seizures and the ECT being > an induction of a seizure). I don't know...it just sounds so ARCHAIC. > I guess maybe the method of administering may have improved the > procedure in the last couple of decades. I guess if it worked for you, > that is good. > I am sorry about your mother and her problems. It must have been a > horrible experience for you. I have heard it said that suicide is a > very selfish act. I think the people who say those things don't have > any idea of the tremendous amount of pain that can overwhelm a person, > clinically, genetically, trauma-induced, or otherwise. I have not > always thought about it this way. At one time I actually agreed with > the statement, but now I believe a human being can only take so much > pain. That is a big reason that I have not gotten myself hypnotized to > find out what the extent of my abuse really was. My brain has said, > " you know this much and that's all you need to know-I can't give you > anymore " . And I am FINE with that. > > > > butterbean-@... wrote: > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=9509 > > Hi all - > > , ECT induces a seizure onto people. It has been discovered > that by > > inducing a seizure on a person, that brain chemistry is altered, > especially > > for people with major depression. It originally had been attempted on > > people with other MI's like schizophrenia, but it is pretty much now > > exclusively done on people with depressive disorders. For some > perplexing > > reason, it works very well on 'snapping' people out of a depressive > episode. > > It is usually a last resort, when things like meds don't work. It > can be > > particularily helpful with people who are catatonic. Or like my own > > problem-chronic insomnia. > > I have always had a low grade depression problem since about age 11 > but what > > triggered the really BAD major depression was my mother making a > suicide > > attempt. She o.d.ed on a ton of amatryptiline which is a trycyclic > > antidepressant. If my father wouldn't have come home at lunch time, > she > > would have died. Ironically, I did the same exact thing about 3 years > > later. But (this is what I was told - I don't remember it) > apparently I > > called a crisis hotline after taking the pills and said " I don't want > to > > die! " I was unconscious when the paramedics found me. I had to be > > intubated, lavaged (stomach pumped) and hooked to a respirator, heart > > monitor, and I had 3 IV sites-one into a major artery. This business > led to > > a rollar coaster ride in and out of psych wards, treatment centers, > group > > homes for people with MI's, etc. I feel like I am slowly snapping > out of it > > now. But it has been a hellacious ride. > > ~Trixxi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 1999 Report Share Posted November 22, 1999 Thanks for the clarification of this, Pete. " cool briton " wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=9591 > Hi > > ECT is thought to work by raising those good ol' neurotrasmitter levels > in the brain. The electric current stimulates their relese. > > the ECT techniques have been improved. One improvement is to avoid > passing current through the language centres of the brain, which > reduces the amount of amnesia that can be caused. > > Best, > Pete > > " wendy rose " wrote: > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=9511 > > I guess I must have known that...(about the seizures and the ECT being > > an induction of a seizure). I don't know...it just sounds so ARCHAIC. > > I guess maybe the method of administering may have improved the > > procedure in the last couple of decades. I guess if it worked for you, > > that is good. > > I am sorry about your mother and her problems. It must have been a > > horrible experience for you. I have heard it said that suicide is a > > very selfish act. I think the people who say those things don't have > > any idea of the tremendous amount of pain that can overwhelm a person, > > clinically, genetically, trauma-induced, or otherwise. I have not > > always thought about it this way. At one time I actually agreed with > > the statement, but now I believe a human being can only take so much > > pain. That is a big reason that I have not gotten myself hypnotized > to > > find out what the extent of my abuse really was. My brain has said, > > " you know this much and that's all you need to know-I can't give you > > anymore " . And I am FINE with that. > > > > > > > > butterbean-@... wrote: > > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=9 509 > > > Hi all - > > > , ECT induces a seizure onto people. It has been discovered > > that by > > > inducing a seizure on a person, that brain chemistry is altered, > > especially > > > for people with major depression. It originally had been attempted > on > > > people with other MI's like schizophrenia, but it is pretty much now > > > exclusively done on people with depressive disorders. For some > > perplexing > > > reason, it works very well on 'snapping' people out of a depressive > > episode. > > > It is usually a last resort, when things like meds don't work. It > > can be > > > particularily helpful with people who are catatonic. Or like my own > > > problem-chronic insomnia. > > > I have always had a low grade depression problem since about age 11 > > but what > > > triggered the really BAD major depression was my mother making a > > suicide > > > attempt. She o.d.ed on a ton of amatryptiline which is a trycyclic > > > antidepressant. If my father wouldn't have come home at lunch time, > > she > > > would have died. Ironically, I did the same exact thing about 3 > years > > > later. But (this is what I was told - I don't remember it) > > apparently I > > > called a crisis hotline after taking the pills and said " I don't > want > > to > > > die! " I was unconscious when the paramedics found me. I had to be > > > intubated, lavaged (stomach pumped) and hooked to a respirator, > heart > > > monitor, and I had 3 IV sites-one into a major artery. This business > > led to > > > a rollar coaster ride in and out of psych wards, treatment centers, > > group > > > homes for people with MI's, etc. I feel like I am slowly snapping > > out of it > > > now. But it has been a hellacious ride. > > > ~Trixxi > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 1999 Report Share Posted November 22, 1999 Thanks for the clarification of this, Pete. " cool briton " wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=9591 > Hi > > ECT is thought to work by raising those good ol' neurotrasmitter levels > in the brain. The electric current stimulates their relese. > > the ECT techniques have been improved. One improvement is to avoid > passing current through the language centres of the brain, which > reduces the amount of amnesia that can be caused. > > Best, > Pete > > " wendy rose " wrote: > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=9511 > > I guess I must have known that...(about the seizures and the ECT being > > an induction of a seizure). I don't know...it just sounds so ARCHAIC. > > I guess maybe the method of administering may have improved the > > procedure in the last couple of decades. I guess if it worked for you, > > that is good. > > I am sorry about your mother and her problems. It must have been a > > horrible experience for you. I have heard it said that suicide is a > > very selfish act. I think the people who say those things don't have > > any idea of the tremendous amount of pain that can overwhelm a person, > > clinically, genetically, trauma-induced, or otherwise. I have not > > always thought about it this way. At one time I actually agreed with > > the statement, but now I believe a human being can only take so much > > pain. That is a big reason that I have not gotten myself hypnotized > to > > find out what the extent of my abuse really was. My brain has said, > > " you know this much and that's all you need to know-I can't give you > > anymore " . And I am FINE with that. > > > > > > > > butterbean-@... wrote: > > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=9 509 > > > Hi all - > > > , ECT induces a seizure onto people. It has been discovered > > that by > > > inducing a seizure on a person, that brain chemistry is altered, > > especially > > > for people with major depression. It originally had been attempted > on > > > people with other MI's like schizophrenia, but it is pretty much now > > > exclusively done on people with depressive disorders. For some > > perplexing > > > reason, it works very well on 'snapping' people out of a depressive > > episode. > > > It is usually a last resort, when things like meds don't work. It > > can be > > > particularily helpful with people who are catatonic. Or like my own > > > problem-chronic insomnia. > > > I have always had a low grade depression problem since about age 11 > > but what > > > triggered the really BAD major depression was my mother making a > > suicide > > > attempt. She o.d.ed on a ton of amatryptiline which is a trycyclic > > > antidepressant. If my father wouldn't have come home at lunch time, > > she > > > would have died. Ironically, I did the same exact thing about 3 > years > > > later. But (this is what I was told - I don't remember it) > > apparently I > > > called a crisis hotline after taking the pills and said " I don't > want > > to > > > die! " I was unconscious when the paramedics found me. I had to be > > > intubated, lavaged (stomach pumped) and hooked to a respirator, > heart > > > monitor, and I had 3 IV sites-one into a major artery. This business > > led to > > > a rollar coaster ride in and out of psych wards, treatment centers, > > group > > > homes for people with MI's, etc. I feel like I am slowly snapping > > out of it > > > now. But it has been a hellacious ride. > > > ~Trixxi > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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