Re: Re: (Frannie) aising meds when it is cold-Iron ?

[Guest guest]

To All:

After reviewing 3 different charts, it appears that my total intake was cut by

3/4 grain of Armour. The endo himself told me after the first test, before any

changes that my thyroids looked pretty good. After 3 hours of shivering, 1 hour

of crying, 2 hours to feed myself, 2 more hours of looking at numbers with total

brain fog, a hot bath, I crippled upstairs and sent my endo an email: Part of

it follows:

Dear Dr.

I also want you to know that I am worse than when I started seeing you. I can

only surmise that it is do to the med changes. I am freezing cold, with shivers

(temp 96.7) no appetite, crying-more depressed, severe joint and muscle pain,

and constipation. Before I saw you, I was more active, getting out of the house

for short errands, a beach walk, etc. I no longer feel the energy to do this. My

gut is telling me that I am not and was not getting enough thyroid into my

cells.

My current dosage is 30mg Armour 2xdaily and 50mcg Levoxyl. I have been at this

level for since Nov. 22.

I feel like I am again begging for a doctor to listen to me and at least let me

try what my gut instincts are telling me. I am about to the end of my rope.

FrannieGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download :

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[Guest guest]

So what did you tell him you wanted to do?

Re: Re: (Frannie) aising meds when it is

cold-Iron ?

To All:

After reviewing 3 different charts, it appears that my total intake was cut by

3/4 grain of Armour. The endo himself told me after the first test, before any

changes that my thyroids looked pretty good. After 3 hours of shivering, 1 hour

of crying, 2 hours to feed myself, 2 more hours of looking at numbers with total

brain fog, a hot bath, I crippled upstairs and sent my endo an email: Part of

it follows:

Dear Dr.

I also want you to know that I am worse than when I started seeing you. I can

only surmise that it is do to the med changes. I am freezing cold, with shivers

(temp 96.7) no appetite, crying-more depressed, severe joint and muscle pain,

and constipation. Before I saw you, I was more active, getting out of the house

for short errands, a beach walk, etc. I no longer feel the energy to do this. My

gut is telling me that I am not and was not getting enough thyroid into my

cells.

My current dosage is 30mg Armour 2xdaily and 50mcg Levoxyl. I have been at

this level for since Nov. 22.

I feel like I am again begging for a doctor to listen to me and at least let

me try what my gut instincts are telling me. I am about to the end of my rope.

FrannieGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download :

http://explorer.msn.com

[Guest guest]

So what did you tell him you wanted to do?

Re: Re: (Frannie) aising meds when it is

cold-Iron ?

To All:

After reviewing 3 different charts, it appears that my total intake was cut by

3/4 grain of Armour. The endo himself told me after the first test, before any

changes that my thyroids looked pretty good. After 3 hours of shivering, 1 hour

of crying, 2 hours to feed myself, 2 more hours of looking at numbers with total

brain fog, a hot bath, I crippled upstairs and sent my endo an email: Part of

it follows:

Dear Dr.

I also want you to know that I am worse than when I started seeing you. I can

only surmise that it is do to the med changes. I am freezing cold, with shivers

(temp 96.7) no appetite, crying-more depressed, severe joint and muscle pain,

and constipation. Before I saw you, I was more active, getting out of the house

for short errands, a beach walk, etc. I no longer feel the energy to do this. My

gut is telling me that I am not and was not getting enough thyroid into my

cells.

My current dosage is 30mg Armour 2xdaily and 50mcg Levoxyl. I have been at

this level for since Nov. 22.

I feel like I am again begging for a doctor to listen to me and at least let

me try what my gut instincts are telling me. I am about to the end of my rope.

FrannieGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download :

http://explorer.msn.com

[Guest guest]

Jamy,

I guess other than a new blood test, I only hinted. I still expect him to listen

to me and know by my symptoms that I want to try more t3 not t4. I also want to

go back to the level of hormone I was on when I first went to him. I was not

good then but much better.

As far as the Florinef, I think he told me I would need to watch for swelling

and headaches, but often they dissipate. I have not gotten that RX filled. Too

many other symptoms presently. Have you researched the safety of Florinef? My

understanding is that it is a mineralcorticoid, and different from taking heavy

steroids as far as how it effects the body. I read that it helps the kidneys

hold sodium. My dx was hypoadrenalism I think. I would need to recheck. Did he

have you do an MRI? Is he willing to look at or agree with your saliva cortisol

test?

Frannie

Re: Re: (Frannie) aising meds when it is

cold-Iron ?

To All:

After reviewing 3 different charts, it appears that my total intake was cut by

3/4 grain of Armour. The endo himself told me after the first test, before any

changes that my thyroids looked pretty good. After 3 hours of shivering, 1 hour

of crying, 2 hours to feed myself, 2 more hours of looking at numbers with total

brain fog, a hot bath, I crippled upstairs and sent my endo an email: Part of

it follows:

Dear Dr.

I also want you to know that I am worse than when I started seeing you. I can

only surmise that it is do to the med changes. I am freezing cold, with shivers

(temp 96.7) no appetite, crying-more depressed, severe joint and muscle pain,

and constipation. Before I saw you, I was more active, getting out of the house

for short errands, a beach walk, etc. I no longer feel the energy to do this. My

gut is telling me that I am not and was not getting enough thyroid into my

cells.

My current dosage is 30mg Armour 2xdaily and 50mcg Levoxyl. I have been at

this level for since Nov. 22.

I feel like I am again begging for a doctor to listen to me and at least let

me try what my gut instincts are telling me. I am about to the end of my rope.

FrannieGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download :

http://explorer.msn.com

[Guest guest]

Jamy,

I guess other than a new blood test, I only hinted. I still expect him to listen

to me and know by my symptoms that I want to try more t3 not t4. I also want to

go back to the level of hormone I was on when I first went to him. I was not

good then but much better.

As far as the Florinef, I think he told me I would need to watch for swelling

and headaches, but often they dissipate. I have not gotten that RX filled. Too

many other symptoms presently. Have you researched the safety of Florinef? My

understanding is that it is a mineralcorticoid, and different from taking heavy

steroids as far as how it effects the body. I read that it helps the kidneys

hold sodium. My dx was hypoadrenalism I think. I would need to recheck. Did he

have you do an MRI? Is he willing to look at or agree with your saliva cortisol

test?

Frannie

Re: Re: (Frannie) aising meds when it is

cold-Iron ?

To All:

After reviewing 3 different charts, it appears that my total intake was cut by

3/4 grain of Armour. The endo himself told me after the first test, before any

changes that my thyroids looked pretty good. After 3 hours of shivering, 1 hour

of crying, 2 hours to feed myself, 2 more hours of looking at numbers with total

brain fog, a hot bath, I crippled upstairs and sent my endo an email: Part of

it follows:

Dear Dr.

I also want you to know that I am worse than when I started seeing you. I can

only surmise that it is do to the med changes. I am freezing cold, with shivers

(temp 96.7) no appetite, crying-more depressed, severe joint and muscle pain,

and constipation. Before I saw you, I was more active, getting out of the house

for short errands, a beach walk, etc. I no longer feel the energy to do this. My

gut is telling me that I am not and was not getting enough thyroid into my

cells.

My current dosage is 30mg Armour 2xdaily and 50mcg Levoxyl. I have been at

this level for since Nov. 22.

I feel like I am again begging for a doctor to listen to me and at least let

me try what my gut instincts are telling me. I am about to the end of my rope.

FrannieGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download :

http://explorer.msn.com

[Guest guest]

Jamy,

I guess other than a new blood test, I only hinted. I still expect him to listen

to me and know by my symptoms that I want to try more t3 not t4. I also want to

go back to the level of hormone I was on when I first went to him. I was not

good then but much better.

As far as the Florinef, I think he told me I would need to watch for swelling

and headaches, but often they dissipate. I have not gotten that RX filled. Too

many other symptoms presently. Have you researched the safety of Florinef? My

understanding is that it is a mineralcorticoid, and different from taking heavy

steroids as far as how it effects the body. I read that it helps the kidneys

hold sodium. My dx was hypoadrenalism I think. I would need to recheck. Did he

have you do an MRI? Is he willing to look at or agree with your saliva cortisol

test?

Frannie

Re: Re: (Frannie) aising meds when it is

cold-Iron ?

To All:

After reviewing 3 different charts, it appears that my total intake was cut by

3/4 grain of Armour. The endo himself told me after the first test, before any

changes that my thyroids looked pretty good. After 3 hours of shivering, 1 hour

of crying, 2 hours to feed myself, 2 more hours of looking at numbers with total

brain fog, a hot bath, I crippled upstairs and sent my endo an email: Part of

it follows:

Dear Dr.

I also want you to know that I am worse than when I started seeing you. I can

only surmise that it is do to the med changes. I am freezing cold, with shivers

(temp 96.7) no appetite, crying-more depressed, severe joint and muscle pain,

and constipation. Before I saw you, I was more active, getting out of the house

for short errands, a beach walk, etc. I no longer feel the energy to do this. My

gut is telling me that I am not and was not getting enough thyroid into my

cells.

My current dosage is 30mg Armour 2xdaily and 50mcg Levoxyl. I have been at

this level for since Nov. 22.

I feel like I am again begging for a doctor to listen to me and at least let

me try what my gut instincts are telling me. I am about to the end of my rope.

FrannieGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download :

http://explorer.msn.com

[Guest guest]

By yes, he will look at the saliva tests at night, he ordered them. He is

supposed to be good, and even admitted that what he thought would be wrong me

aside from the low renin and aldosterone would be insulin resistance and it

wasn't. He is a scientist and has to be directed what you find acceptable

though. I am peeing more on the Florenif than off it. Supposedly, with my

hormone and adrenal levels, this is what I need. we will see. NO, I haven't done

much research on the drug. What do you know? That might explain this headache.

Re: Re: (Frannie) aising meds when it is

cold-Iron ?

To All:

After reviewing 3 different charts, it appears that my total intake was cut

by 3/4 grain of Armour. The endo himself told me after the first test, before

any changes that my thyroids looked pretty good. After 3 hours of shivering, 1

hour of crying, 2 hours to feed myself, 2 more hours of looking at numbers with

total brain fog, a hot bath, I crippled upstairs and sent my endo an email:

Part of it follows:

Dear Dr.

I also want you to know that I am worse than when I started seeing you. I

can only surmise that it is do to the med changes. I am freezing cold, with

shivers (temp 96.7) no appetite, crying-more depressed, severe joint and muscle

pain, and constipation. Before I saw you, I was more active, getting out of the

house for short errands, a beach walk, etc. I no longer feel the energy to do

this. My gut is telling me that I am not and was not getting enough thyroid into

my cells.

My current dosage is 30mg Armour 2xdaily and 50mcg Levoxyl. I have been at

this level for since Nov. 22.

I feel like I am again begging for a doctor to listen to me and at least let

me try what my gut instincts are telling me. I am about to the end of my rope.

FrannieGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download :

http://explorer.msn.com

[Guest guest]

I pea constantly, I am already dehydrated. Dehydration may be due to the sodium

release in the kidneys. Florinef is supposed to help this. However, if it makes

me go more than now that is all I will do it run back and forth to the bathroom.

I am going to call my Son - a dentist and see if he will call his MD doctor

friend and get the scoop for me on mineralcorticoids and there effect on the

body. I am wanting to know what causes the headache. You are not getting any

water retention or swelling in your ankles or legs. Correct My alternative doc

seemed better with my need to take the HGH than the Florinef, but he did not

explain his reasons. I will let you know what I find out.

Frannie

PS. What company is doing your Salvia Test? 24 hour. Mine of two years ago

showed problems but the doc did nothing. This is why I think I have more than

DHEA problems.

Are you testing more than cortisol?

Re: Re: (Frannie) aising meds when it is

cold-Iron ?

To All:

After reviewing 3 different charts, it appears that my total intake was cut

by 3/4 grain of Armour. The endo himself told me after the first test, before

any changes that my thyroids looked pretty good. After 3 hours of shivering, 1

hour of crying, 2 hours to feed myself, 2 more hours of looking at numbers with

total brain fog, a hot bath, I crippled upstairs and sent my endo an email:

Part of it follows:

Dear Dr.

I also want you to know that I am worse than when I started seeing you. I

can only surmise that it is do to the med changes. I am freezing cold, with

shivers (temp 96.7) no appetite, crying-more depressed, severe joint and muscle

pain, and constipation. Before I saw you, I was more active, getting out of the

house for short errands, a beach walk, etc. I no longer feel the energy to do

this. My gut is telling me that I am not and was not getting enough thyroid into

my cells.

My current dosage is 30mg Armour 2xdaily and 50mcg Levoxyl. I have been at

this level for since Nov. 22.

I feel like I am again begging for a doctor to listen to me and at least let

me try what my gut instincts are telling me. I am about to the end of my rope.

FrannieGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download :

http://explorer.msn.com

[Guest guest]

I pea constantly, I am already dehydrated. Dehydration may be due to the sodium

release in the kidneys. Florinef is supposed to help this. However, if it makes

me go more than now that is all I will do it run back and forth to the bathroom.

I am going to call my Son - a dentist and see if he will call his MD doctor

friend and get the scoop for me on mineralcorticoids and there effect on the

body. I am wanting to know what causes the headache. You are not getting any

water retention or swelling in your ankles or legs. Correct My alternative doc

seemed better with my need to take the HGH than the Florinef, but he did not

explain his reasons. I will let you know what I find out.

Frannie

PS. What company is doing your Salvia Test? 24 hour. Mine of two years ago

showed problems but the doc did nothing. This is why I think I have more than

DHEA problems.

Are you testing more than cortisol?

Re: Re: (Frannie) aising meds when it is

cold-Iron ?

To All:

After reviewing 3 different charts, it appears that my total intake was cut

by 3/4 grain of Armour. The endo himself told me after the first test, before

any changes that my thyroids looked pretty good. After 3 hours of shivering, 1

hour of crying, 2 hours to feed myself, 2 more hours of looking at numbers with

total brain fog, a hot bath, I crippled upstairs and sent my endo an email:

Part of it follows:

Dear Dr.

I also want you to know that I am worse than when I started seeing you. I

can only surmise that it is do to the med changes. I am freezing cold, with

shivers (temp 96.7) no appetite, crying-more depressed, severe joint and muscle

pain, and constipation. Before I saw you, I was more active, getting out of the

house for short errands, a beach walk, etc. I no longer feel the energy to do

this. My gut is telling me that I am not and was not getting enough thyroid into

my cells.

My current dosage is 30mg Armour 2xdaily and 50mcg Levoxyl. I have been at

this level for since Nov. 22.

I feel like I am again begging for a doctor to listen to me and at least let

me try what my gut instincts are telling me. I am about to the end of my rope.

FrannieGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download :

http://explorer.msn.com

[Guest guest]

Jamy,

One more thought. Do you think the dx hypoaldosterone and hyporenin are just

fancy names for shot adrenals. Of course I also have the hypopanpituitarism and

the tumor.

Should we take this discussion off this list, when it becomes so adrenal and

pituitary related? Is it appropriate discussion and OK. , Janie, ???

Frannie

Re: Re: (Frannie) aising meds when it is

cold-Iron ?

To All:

After reviewing 3 different charts, it appears that my total intake was cut

by 3/4 grain of Armour. The endo himself told me after the first test, before

any changes that my thyroids looked pretty good. After 3 hours of shivering, 1

hour of crying, 2 hours to feed myself, 2 more hours of looking at numbers with

total brain fog, a hot bath, I crippled upstairs and sent my endo an email:

Part of it follows:

Dear Dr.

I also want you to know that I am worse than when I started seeing you. I

can only surmise that it is do to the med changes. I am freezing cold, with

shivers (temp 96.7) no appetite, crying-more depressed, severe joint and muscle

pain, and constipation. Before I saw you, I was more active, getting out of the

house for short errands, a beach walk, etc. I no longer feel the energy to do

this. My gut is telling me that I am not and was not getting enough thyroid into

my cells.

My current dosage is 30mg Armour 2xdaily and 50mcg Levoxyl. I have been at

this level for since Nov. 22.

I feel like I am again begging for a doctor to listen to me and at least let

me try what my gut instincts are telling me. I am about to the end of my rope.

FrannieGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download :

http://explorer.msn.com

[Guest guest]

Jamy,

One more thought. Do you think the dx hypoaldosterone and hyporenin are just

fancy names for shot adrenals. Of course I also have the hypopanpituitarism and

the tumor.

Should we take this discussion off this list, when it becomes so adrenal and

pituitary related? Is it appropriate discussion and OK. , Janie, ???

Frannie

Re: Re: (Frannie) aising meds when it is

cold-Iron ?

To All:

After reviewing 3 different charts, it appears that my total intake was cut

by 3/4 grain of Armour. The endo himself told me after the first test, before

any changes that my thyroids looked pretty good. After 3 hours of shivering, 1

hour of crying, 2 hours to feed myself, 2 more hours of looking at numbers with

total brain fog, a hot bath, I crippled upstairs and sent my endo an email:

Part of it follows:

Dear Dr.

I also want you to know that I am worse than when I started seeing you. I

can only surmise that it is do to the med changes. I am freezing cold, with

shivers (temp 96.7) no appetite, crying-more depressed, severe joint and muscle

pain, and constipation. Before I saw you, I was more active, getting out of the

house for short errands, a beach walk, etc. I no longer feel the energy to do

this. My gut is telling me that I am not and was not getting enough thyroid into

my cells.

My current dosage is 30mg Armour 2xdaily and 50mcg Levoxyl. I have been at

this level for since Nov. 22.

I feel like I am again begging for a doctor to listen to me and at least let

me try what my gut instincts are telling me. I am about to the end of my rope.

FrannieGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download :

http://explorer.msn.com

[Guest guest]

Since I upped my dose to the full pill I am peeing like crazy, but I wasn't

before. Most people are before and not after. Figures I would do it backward.

No, on the 2 weeks of 1/2 pill a day, no swelling. I will let you know if it

changes. I am just starting to take a full pill a day.

He has had my saliva sent to AAL in Wisconsin. I had tested all else before. My

testosterone is slightly low but my DHEA is fine. I just started Osteogel a

couple of months ago. I still get a period and like I said, ferritin was 20. He

wants it about 70 before I can stop all the extra iron. I think the headache is

a change in the potassium and salt change.

Re: Re: (Frannie) aising meds when it is

cold-Iron ?

To All:

After reviewing 3 different charts, it appears that my total intake was

cut by 3/4 grain of Armour. The endo himself told me after the first test,

before any changes that my thyroids looked pretty good. After 3 hours of

shivering, 1 hour of crying, 2 hours to feed myself, 2 more hours of looking at

numbers with total brain fog, a hot bath, I crippled upstairs and sent my endo

an email: Part of it follows:

Dear Dr.

I also want you to know that I am worse than when I started seeing you. I

can only surmise that it is do to the med changes. I am freezing cold, with

shivers (temp 96.7) no appetite, crying-more depressed, severe joint and muscle

pain, and constipation. Before I saw you, I was more active, getting out of the

house for short errands, a beach walk, etc. I no longer feel the energy to do

this. My gut is telling me that I am not and was not getting enough thyroid into

my cells.

My current dosage is 30mg Armour 2xdaily and 50mcg Levoxyl. I have been at

this level for since Nov. 22.

I feel like I am again begging for a doctor to listen to me and at least

let me try what my gut instincts are telling me. I am about to the end of my

rope.

FrannieGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download :

http://explorer.msn.com

[Guest guest]

Since I upped my dose to the full pill I am peeing like crazy, but I wasn't

before. Most people are before and not after. Figures I would do it backward.

No, on the 2 weeks of 1/2 pill a day, no swelling. I will let you know if it

changes. I am just starting to take a full pill a day.

He has had my saliva sent to AAL in Wisconsin. I had tested all else before. My

testosterone is slightly low but my DHEA is fine. I just started Osteogel a

couple of months ago. I still get a period and like I said, ferritin was 20. He

wants it about 70 before I can stop all the extra iron. I think the headache is

a change in the potassium and salt change.

Re: Re: (Frannie) aising meds when it is

cold-Iron ?

To All:

After reviewing 3 different charts, it appears that my total intake was

cut by 3/4 grain of Armour. The endo himself told me after the first test,

before any changes that my thyroids looked pretty good. After 3 hours of

shivering, 1 hour of crying, 2 hours to feed myself, 2 more hours of looking at

numbers with total brain fog, a hot bath, I crippled upstairs and sent my endo

an email: Part of it follows:

Dear Dr.

I also want you to know that I am worse than when I started seeing you. I

can only surmise that it is do to the med changes. I am freezing cold, with

shivers (temp 96.7) no appetite, crying-more depressed, severe joint and muscle

pain, and constipation. Before I saw you, I was more active, getting out of the

house for short errands, a beach walk, etc. I no longer feel the energy to do

this. My gut is telling me that I am not and was not getting enough thyroid into

my cells.

My current dosage is 30mg Armour 2xdaily and 50mcg Levoxyl. I have been at

this level for since Nov. 22.

I feel like I am again begging for a doctor to listen to me and at least

let me try what my gut instincts are telling me. I am about to the end of my

rope.

FrannieGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download :

http://explorer.msn.com

[Guest guest]

Will he be monitering your potassium and sodium? I have a friend who almost did

not make it because they put her on High blood pressure medicine and her

Potassium bottomed out.

She needed the potassium with the blood pressure medicine. I just looked the med

up in the PDR. I will try to type it and send it to you. It says it does what a

common steroid in the body does ( must be adolsterone). If it raises BP and

Meds that lower BP can also drain Potassium, then maybe it does not release that

much? I need to learn more. Do you have on record our NA and K levels? Do you

know the ingredients in the Florinef? I am sure it probably isn't listed. I

couldn't call my son tonight, it's too late.

Frannie

Re: Re: (Frannie) aising meds when it is

cold-Iron ?

To All:

After reviewing 3 different charts, it appears that my total intake was

cut by 3/4 grain of Armour. The endo himself told me after the first test,

before any changes that my thyroids looked pretty good. After 3 hours of

shivering, 1 hour of crying, 2 hours to feed myself, 2 more hours of looking at

numbers with total brain fog, a hot bath, I crippled upstairs and sent my endo

an email: Part of it follows:

Dear Dr.

I also want you to know that I am worse than when I started seeing you. I

can only surmise that it is do to the med changes. I am freezing cold, with

shivers (temp 96.7) no appetite, crying-more depressed, severe joint and muscle

pain, and constipation. Before I saw you, I was more active, getting out of the

house for short errands, a beach walk, etc. I no longer feel the energy to do

this. My gut is telling me that I am not and was not getting enough thyroid into

my cells.

My current dosage is 30mg Armour 2xdaily and 50mcg Levoxyl. I have been at

this level for since Nov. 22.

I feel like I am again begging for a doctor to listen to me and at least

let me try what my gut instincts are telling me. I am about to the end of my

rope.

FrannieGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download :

http://explorer.msn.com

[Guest guest]

I am going to be asking about my potassium, but one of the problems with low

renin and low aldosterone is high potassium, not low. I will ask him though. I

wish my saliva results would come.

you said I need to learn more. Do you have on record our NA and K levels? What

is that?

Here is a link for you to read about it.

http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/fludro.htm

From: Fran Oyler

To: NaturalThyroidHormones

Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 6:15 PM

Subject: Re: Re: (Frannie) aising meds when it is

cold-Iron ?

Will he be monitering your potassium and sodium? I have a friend who almost

did not make it because they put her on High blood pressure medicine and her

Potassium bottomed out.

She needed the potassium with the blood pressure medicine. I just looked the

med up in the PDR. I will try to type it and send it to you. It says it does

what a common steroid in the body does ( must be adolsterone). If it raises BP

and Meds that lower BP can also drain Potassium, then maybe it does not release

that much? I need to learn more. Do you have on record our NA and K levels? Do

you know the ingredients in the Florinef? I am sure it probably isn't listed. I

couldn't call my son tonight, it's too late.

Frannie

Re: Re: (Frannie) aising meds when it

is cold-Iron ?

To All:

After reviewing 3 different charts, it appears that my total intake was

cut by 3/4 grain of Armour. The endo himself told me after the first test,

before any changes that my thyroids looked pretty good. After 3 hours of

shivering, 1 hour of crying, 2 hours to feed myself, 2 more hours of looking at

numbers with total brain fog, a hot bath, I crippled upstairs and sent my endo

an email: Part of it follows:

Dear Dr.

I also want you to know that I am worse than when I started seeing you.

I can only surmise that it is do to the med changes. I am freezing cold, with

shivers (temp 96.7) no appetite, crying-more depressed, severe joint and muscle

pain, and constipation. Before I saw you, I was more active, getting out of the

house for short errands, a beach walk, etc. I no longer feel the energy to do

this. My gut is telling me that I am not and was not getting enough thyroid into

my cells.

My current dosage is 30mg Armour 2xdaily and 50mcg Levoxyl. I have been

at this level for since Nov. 22.

I feel like I am again begging for a doctor to listen to me and at least

let me try what my gut instincts are telling me. I am about to the end of my

rope.

FrannieGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download :

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[Guest guest]

I am going to be asking about my potassium, but one of the problems with low

renin and low aldosterone is high potassium, not low. I will ask him though. I

wish my saliva results would come.

you said I need to learn more. Do you have on record our NA and K levels? What

is that?

Here is a link for you to read about it.

http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/fludro.htm

From: Fran Oyler

To: NaturalThyroidHormones

Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 6:15 PM

Subject: Re: Re: (Frannie) aising meds when it is

cold-Iron ?

Will he be monitering your potassium and sodium? I have a friend who almost

did not make it because they put her on High blood pressure medicine and her

Potassium bottomed out.

She needed the potassium with the blood pressure medicine. I just looked the

med up in the PDR. I will try to type it and send it to you. It says it does

what a common steroid in the body does ( must be adolsterone). If it raises BP

and Meds that lower BP can also drain Potassium, then maybe it does not release

that much? I need to learn more. Do you have on record our NA and K levels? Do

you know the ingredients in the Florinef? I am sure it probably isn't listed. I

couldn't call my son tonight, it's too late.

Frannie

Re: Re: (Frannie) aising meds when it

is cold-Iron ?

To All:

After reviewing 3 different charts, it appears that my total intake was

cut by 3/4 grain of Armour. The endo himself told me after the first test,

before any changes that my thyroids looked pretty good. After 3 hours of

shivering, 1 hour of crying, 2 hours to feed myself, 2 more hours of looking at

numbers with total brain fog, a hot bath, I crippled upstairs and sent my endo

an email: Part of it follows:

Dear Dr.

I also want you to know that I am worse than when I started seeing you.

I can only surmise that it is do to the med changes. I am freezing cold, with

shivers (temp 96.7) no appetite, crying-more depressed, severe joint and muscle

pain, and constipation. Before I saw you, I was more active, getting out of the

house for short errands, a beach walk, etc. I no longer feel the energy to do

this. My gut is telling me that I am not and was not getting enough thyroid into

my cells.

My current dosage is 30mg Armour 2xdaily and 50mcg Levoxyl. I have been

at this level for since Nov. 22.

I feel like I am again begging for a doctor to listen to me and at least

let me try what my gut instincts are telling me. I am about to the end of my

rope.

FrannieGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download :

http://explorer.msn.com

[Guest guest]

I am going to be asking about my potassium, but one of the problems with low

renin and low aldosterone is high potassium, not low. I will ask him though. I

wish my saliva results would come.

you said I need to learn more. Do you have on record our NA and K levels? What

is that?

Here is a link for you to read about it.

http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/fludro.htm

From: Fran Oyler

To: NaturalThyroidHormones

Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 6:15 PM

Subject: Re: Re: (Frannie) aising meds when it is

cold-Iron ?

Will he be monitering your potassium and sodium? I have a friend who almost

did not make it because they put her on High blood pressure medicine and her

Potassium bottomed out.

She needed the potassium with the blood pressure medicine. I just looked the

med up in the PDR. I will try to type it and send it to you. It says it does

what a common steroid in the body does ( must be adolsterone). If it raises BP

and Meds that lower BP can also drain Potassium, then maybe it does not release

that much? I need to learn more. Do you have on record our NA and K levels? Do

you know the ingredients in the Florinef? I am sure it probably isn't listed. I

couldn't call my son tonight, it's too late.

Frannie

Re: Re: (Frannie) aising meds when it

is cold-Iron ?

To All:

After reviewing 3 different charts, it appears that my total intake was

cut by 3/4 grain of Armour. The endo himself told me after the first test,

before any changes that my thyroids looked pretty good. After 3 hours of

shivering, 1 hour of crying, 2 hours to feed myself, 2 more hours of looking at

numbers with total brain fog, a hot bath, I crippled upstairs and sent my endo

an email: Part of it follows:

Dear Dr.

I also want you to know that I am worse than when I started seeing you.

I can only surmise that it is do to the med changes. I am freezing cold, with

shivers (temp 96.7) no appetite, crying-more depressed, severe joint and muscle

pain, and constipation. Before I saw you, I was more active, getting out of the

house for short errands, a beach walk, etc. I no longer feel the energy to do

this. My gut is telling me that I am not and was not getting enough thyroid into

my cells.

My current dosage is 30mg Armour 2xdaily and 50mcg Levoxyl. I have been

at this level for since Nov. 22.

I feel like I am again begging for a doctor to listen to me and at least

let me try what my gut instincts are telling me. I am about to the end of my

rope.

FrannieGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download :

http://explorer.msn.com

[Guest guest]

Did he do a sodium NA and Potassium K of your blood?

Here is mine.

Sodium 140 Range 136-145

Potassium 3.9 Range 3.5-5.1

My Chloride and Bicarbonate were also low in the range. This may mean

dehydration . These both look low in their respective range. My question is what

is a normal ratio to each other in the blood? Do you mean your Potassium is high

compared to the sodium or it was high in the range. I also have low renin and

adolsterone. Same dx I think.

Frannie

Re: Re: (Frannie) aising meds when it

is cold-Iron ?

To All:

After reviewing 3 different charts, it appears that my total intake was

cut by 3/4 grain of Armour. The endo himself told me after the first test,

before any changes that my thyroids looked pretty good. After 3 hours of

shivering, 1 hour of crying, 2 hours to feed myself, 2 more hours of looking at

numbers with total brain fog, a hot bath, I crippled upstairs and sent my endo

an email: Part of it follows:

Dear Dr.

I also want you to know that I am worse than when I started seeing you.

I can only surmise that it is do to the med changes. I am freezing cold, with

shivers (temp 96.7) no appetite, crying-more depressed, severe joint and muscle

pain, and constipation. Before I saw you, I was more active, getting out of the

house for short errands, a beach walk, etc. I no longer feel the energy to do

this. My gut is telling me that I am not and was not getting enough thyroid into

my cells.

My current dosage is 30mg Armour 2xdaily and 50mcg Levoxyl. I have been

at this level for since Nov. 22.

I feel like I am again begging for a doctor to listen to me and at least

let me try what my gut instincts are telling me. I am about to the end of my

rope.

FrannieGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download :

http://explorer.msn.com

[Guest guest]

Did he do a sodium NA and Potassium K of your blood?

Here is mine.

Sodium 140 Range 136-145

Potassium 3.9 Range 3.5-5.1

My Chloride and Bicarbonate were also low in the range. This may mean

dehydration . These both look low in their respective range. My question is what

is a normal ratio to each other in the blood? Do you mean your Potassium is high

compared to the sodium or it was high in the range. I also have low renin and

adolsterone. Same dx I think.

Frannie

Re: Re: (Frannie) aising meds when it

is cold-Iron ?

To All:

After reviewing 3 different charts, it appears that my total intake was

cut by 3/4 grain of Armour. The endo himself told me after the first test,

before any changes that my thyroids looked pretty good. After 3 hours of

shivering, 1 hour of crying, 2 hours to feed myself, 2 more hours of looking at

numbers with total brain fog, a hot bath, I crippled upstairs and sent my endo

an email: Part of it follows:

Dear Dr.

I also want you to know that I am worse than when I started seeing you.

I can only surmise that it is do to the med changes. I am freezing cold, with

shivers (temp 96.7) no appetite, crying-more depressed, severe joint and muscle

pain, and constipation. Before I saw you, I was more active, getting out of the

house for short errands, a beach walk, etc. I no longer feel the energy to do

this. My gut is telling me that I am not and was not getting enough thyroid into

my cells.

My current dosage is 30mg Armour 2xdaily and 50mcg Levoxyl. I have been

at this level for since Nov. 22.

I feel like I am again begging for a doctor to listen to me and at least

let me try what my gut instincts are telling me. I am about to the end of my

rope.

FrannieGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download :

http://explorer.msn.com

[Guest guest]

No, he did neither. I have a lot of tests from my last DR that show sodium

normal and potassium at the top of the normal range.

What were your renin and aldosterone?

mine renin 26 range 70-330

aldosterone 2.1 range 7-30

Jamy

Re: Re: (Frannie) aising meds when

it is cold-Iron ?

To All:

After reviewing 3 different charts, it appears that my total intake

was cut by 3/4 grain of Armour. The endo himself told me after the first test,

before any changes that my thyroids looked pretty good. After 3 hours of

shivering, 1 hour of crying, 2 hours to feed myself, 2 more hours of looking at

numbers with total brain fog, a hot bath, I crippled upstairs and sent my endo

an email: Part of it follows:

Dear Dr.

I also want you to know that I am worse than when I started seeing

you. I can only surmise that it is do to the med changes. I am freezing cold,

with shivers (temp 96.7) no appetite, crying-more depressed, severe joint and

muscle pain, and constipation. Before I saw you, I was more active, getting out

of the house for short errands, a beach walk, etc. I no longer feel the energy

to do this. My gut is telling me that I am not and was not getting enough

thyroid into my cells.

My current dosage is 30mg Armour 2xdaily and 50mcg Levoxyl. I have

been at this level for since Nov. 22.

I feel like I am again begging for a doctor to listen to me and at

least let me try what my gut instincts are telling me. I am about to the end of

my rope.

FrannieGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download :

http://explorer.msn.com

[Guest guest]

No, he did neither. I have a lot of tests from my last DR that show sodium

normal and potassium at the top of the normal range.

What were your renin and aldosterone?

mine renin 26 range 70-330

aldosterone 2.1 range 7-30

Jamy

Re: Re: (Frannie) aising meds when

it is cold-Iron ?

To All:

After reviewing 3 different charts, it appears that my total intake

was cut by 3/4 grain of Armour. The endo himself told me after the first test,

before any changes that my thyroids looked pretty good. After 3 hours of

shivering, 1 hour of crying, 2 hours to feed myself, 2 more hours of looking at

numbers with total brain fog, a hot bath, I crippled upstairs and sent my endo

an email: Part of it follows:

Dear Dr.

I also want you to know that I am worse than when I started seeing

you. I can only surmise that it is do to the med changes. I am freezing cold,

with shivers (temp 96.7) no appetite, crying-more depressed, severe joint and

muscle pain, and constipation. Before I saw you, I was more active, getting out

of the house for short errands, a beach walk, etc. I no longer feel the energy

to do this. My gut is telling me that I am not and was not getting enough

thyroid into my cells.

My current dosage is 30mg Armour 2xdaily and 50mcg Levoxyl. I have

been at this level for since Nov. 22.

I feel like I am again begging for a doctor to listen to me and at

least let me try what my gut instincts are telling me. I am about to the end of

my rope.

FrannieGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download :

http://explorer.msn.com

[Guest guest]

No, he did neither. I have a lot of tests from my last DR that show sodium

normal and potassium at the top of the normal range.

What were your renin and aldosterone?

mine renin 26 range 70-330

aldosterone 2.1 range 7-30

Jamy

Re: Re: (Frannie) aising meds when

it is cold-Iron ?

To All:

After reviewing 3 different charts, it appears that my total intake

was cut by 3/4 grain of Armour. The endo himself told me after the first test,

before any changes that my thyroids looked pretty good. After 3 hours of

shivering, 1 hour of crying, 2 hours to feed myself, 2 more hours of looking at

numbers with total brain fog, a hot bath, I crippled upstairs and sent my endo

an email: Part of it follows:

Dear Dr.

I also want you to know that I am worse than when I started seeing

you. I can only surmise that it is do to the med changes. I am freezing cold,

with shivers (temp 96.7) no appetite, crying-more depressed, severe joint and

muscle pain, and constipation. Before I saw you, I was more active, getting out

of the house for short errands, a beach walk, etc. I no longer feel the energy

to do this. My gut is telling me that I am not and was not getting enough

thyroid into my cells.

My current dosage is 30mg Armour 2xdaily and 50mcg Levoxyl. I have

been at this level for since Nov. 22.

I feel like I am again begging for a doctor to listen to me and at

least let me try what my gut instincts are telling me. I am about to the end of

my rope.

FrannieGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download :

http://explorer.msn.com

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Jamy. It would be nice to know I could do this. I have e-mailed Kim

before to get a response from him, but even that thought time.

Frannie

Re: (Frannie) aising meds when it is

cold-Iron ?

You are worse because you are on far too low a dose. No matter how

low your dose is, the pituitary gland knows that your body is

getting thyroid hormones. Thus, it sends a message to your thyroid

via the TSH to shut down further it's already low production of

hormones. You become even more hypo than before!!!!! Your doc is

AWFUL. He REEKS.

Janie aka ThyroDiva

> Dear Dr.

>

> I also want you to know that I am worse than when I started seeing

you. I can only surmise that it is do to the med changes.....My

current dosage is 30mg Armour 2xdaily and 50mcg Levoxyl. I have been

at this level for since Nov. 22.

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Jamy. It would be nice to know I could do this. I have e-mailed Kim

before to get a response from him, but even that thought time.

Frannie

Re: (Frannie) aising meds when it is

cold-Iron ?

You are worse because you are on far too low a dose. No matter how

low your dose is, the pituitary gland knows that your body is

getting thyroid hormones. Thus, it sends a message to your thyroid

via the TSH to shut down further it's already low production of

hormones. You become even more hypo than before!!!!! Your doc is

AWFUL. He REEKS.

Janie aka ThyroDiva

> Dear Dr.

>

> I also want you to know that I am worse than when I started seeing

you. I can only surmise that it is do to the med changes.....My

current dosage is 30mg Armour 2xdaily and 50mcg Levoxyl. I have been

at this level for since Nov. 22.

[Guest guest]

What brought you to Friedman. Most of us only go to him when no one else helps.

Re: (Frannie) aising meds when it is

cold-Iron ?

You are worse because you are on far too low a dose. No matter how

low your dose is, the pituitary gland knows that your body is

getting thyroid hormones. Thus, it sends a message to your thyroid

via the TSH to shut down further it's already low production of

hormones. You become even more hypo than before!!!!! Your doc is

AWFUL. He REEKS.

Janie aka ThyroDiva

> Dear Dr.

>

> I also want you to know that I am worse than when I started seeing

you. I can only surmise that it is do to the med changes.....My

current dosage is 30mg Armour 2xdaily and 50mcg Levoxyl. I have been

at this level for since Nov. 22.