Re: Re: discouraged and whining

[Guest guest]

,

It's not a bad idea to get into the habit of popping vitamins, and

selenium, with your meals. Vitamins work MUCH MUCH better when taken with

a meal.

Topper ()

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 21:48:12 -0000 " astrodiana "

writes:

> I can tell you what will happen with me...I will FORGET to take it

> more than once a day - but I could up my evening dose. .

[Guest guest]

Pituitary problems cause the TSH to be crazy. I can't believe all the docs that

treated me based on TSH and now I have a pit tumor. Probably had it a long time.

Pit tumors cause people to be high on many hormones, like Prolactin, HgH (Tony

the Giant) or low on many hormones. I am not sure if my low adrenal hormones,

aldosterone and renin, are due to the pit tumor or not. I also have had low

dhea, tetesterone, etc. At this point, I am not so happy about the dx. People on

pituitary tumor groups, have no life I want one. Don't panic anyone, there are

probably a lot of reasons for weak pituitary function. All our gland work in

respect to each other and harmoniously when we are healthy.

Frannie

Re: Re: discouraged and whining

Ah... but why are you hypo? Are you resistant to the hormones? Do you

have a really bad conversion? Do you eat foods that bind the hormones? It

would be interesting to hear.

For me, I was hyper due to a genetic TSH receptor malfunction. Hypo due

to an over dose of RAI. Then stayed hypo due to undermedication on

synthetics (based on weight med ratios I was some 30% underdosed), then

had no access to meds, then went on naturals (self medicating) and

gradually worked up... then took too much and went hyper..... Now.. back

to what is normal, for now....

Topper ()

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:08:25 -0000 " astrodiana "

writes:

> I think a distinction has to be made as to whether you have ever been

> hyper, had hashi's or have no thyroid and if you are otherwise

> healthy, wothout pituitary or parathyroid involvement...we're all

> individuals....I think nothing short of a stick of dynamite could

> make me hyper...but I am simply hypothyroid, period..and pretty

> healthy otherwise...when my son began to up his dose on Armour, he

> did not go hyper, but became more exhausted...this is when the

> doctor

> tested his adrenals. There are so many variables.

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[Guest guest]

Pituitary problems cause the TSH to be crazy. I can't believe all the docs that

treated me based on TSH and now I have a pit tumor. Probably had it a long time.

Pit tumors cause people to be high on many hormones, like Prolactin, HgH (Tony

the Giant) or low on many hormones. I am not sure if my low adrenal hormones,

aldosterone and renin, are due to the pit tumor or not. I also have had low

dhea, tetesterone, etc. At this point, I am not so happy about the dx. People on

pituitary tumor groups, have no life I want one. Don't panic anyone, there are

probably a lot of reasons for weak pituitary function. All our gland work in

respect to each other and harmoniously when we are healthy.

Frannie

Re: Re: discouraged and whining

Ah... but why are you hypo? Are you resistant to the hormones? Do you

have a really bad conversion? Do you eat foods that bind the hormones? It

would be interesting to hear.

For me, I was hyper due to a genetic TSH receptor malfunction. Hypo due

to an over dose of RAI. Then stayed hypo due to undermedication on

synthetics (based on weight med ratios I was some 30% underdosed), then

had no access to meds, then went on naturals (self medicating) and

gradually worked up... then took too much and went hyper..... Now.. back

to what is normal, for now....

Topper ()

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:08:25 -0000 " astrodiana "

writes:

> I think a distinction has to be made as to whether you have ever been

> hyper, had hashi's or have no thyroid and if you are otherwise

> healthy, wothout pituitary or parathyroid involvement...we're all

> individuals....I think nothing short of a stick of dynamite could

> make me hyper...but I am simply hypothyroid, period..and pretty

> healthy otherwise...when my son began to up his dose on Armour, he

> did not go hyper, but became more exhausted...this is when the

> doctor

> tested his adrenals. There are so many variables.

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[Guest guest]

I know one thing, that I have cracked a smile several times since reading this

list. , I love your wit and attitude. Keep it coming. You are healing

folks, when you make them laugh. I just know it.

Frannie

Re: Re: discouraged and whining

Deborah,

Stress, like what you've described, can be just the last straw for a body

that is right on the edge...

You know? Stress sucks... My hyper got masked by a stressor in my life...

ex boyfriend beat and raped me... then stalked me for years after that...

the miscarriage that I had from the pregnancy caused by the rape, I

thought, was why my periods stopped.... then, 20 years later... another

serious relationship goes belly up.. he tosses me out so that he can hook

up with a bi-female and then goes to bed with my best friend, Jeff.... I

thought much of what I was going through was depression resulting from

betrayal... turns out it was serve re hypo that just got pushed past the

point of coping....

... want to take a guess at what happens if either one of them ever shows

up at the front door? Now that my adrenals are able to cope again....

Hmmmm... the imagination goes wild.... Saprano voices, odd walks, if they

can still walk... If their eyes could still open enough to see where they

were trying to walk..... hmmmmmm I better stop now... hehehehehe

Topper ()

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:22:54 -0500 " son "

writes:

> Topper,

>

> I don't mind your soap box - I'm learning a great deal! Your right,

> whatever it takes to get well is worth it.

>

> I do agree the nutrition thing has a good deal to do with it. I

> think I staved off hypo for a good number of years after I got

> interested in nutrition back in 1972. I have been trying to eat

> better and have taken vitamins ever since. I think it is the only

> thing that has kept me going all these years but I think the stress

> of the last three years finally pushed me over the edge. In 2001 a

> friend of 20 years was killed in a hang gliding accident, a friend

> was diagnosed with breast cancer in 2002, and my youngest brother

> died in 2003 from lung cancer then we moved across the country in

> 2003.

>

> When I ended up on the couch several months after my brother died

> shaking with chills on a heating pad and several blankets with a

> temp. of 95.6 I knew something was wrong and it wasn't just

> depression over his death. Sometimes I think I have misdiagnosed

> myself who knows.

>

> Deborah

[Guest guest]

....remind yourself that if you're not around to care for them, who will?

Taking care of you is taking care of them....

*wink*

Topper ()

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 00:22:06 -0000 " astrodiana "

writes:

> I do take them with my evening meal...but during the day, well, you

> know how it is...everyone including my pups get what they need when

> they need it,as many times a day as they need it.... but I can

> scarcely take an extra moment in the course of the day thinking of

> myself. diana

[Guest guest]

....remind yourself that if you're not around to care for them, who will?

Taking care of you is taking care of them....

*wink*

Topper ()

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 00:22:06 -0000 " astrodiana "

writes:

> I do take them with my evening meal...but during the day, well, you

> know how it is...everyone including my pups get what they need when

> they need it,as many times a day as they need it.... but I can

> scarcely take an extra moment in the course of the day thinking of

> myself. diana

[Guest guest]

Why? Just because I like combing my shinny new leg hairs... I'm going for

a world record in length now... just can't bear to do anything to them...

they are finally furry!!! hehehehehehe

I've got grown up hormones in my body again! YIPPPEEEEE!!!

Topper () *who is never anything less than completely serious an

sphincter like*

.... actual word choice, there, ladies.. it was not an incorrect word

replacement by my spell checker! heheheheeh *wink*

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:51:53 -0800 " Fran Oyler " writes:

> I know one thing, that I have cracked a smile several times since

> reading this list. , I love your wit and attitude. Keep it

> coming. You are healing folks, when you make them laugh. I just know

> it.

> Frannie

[Guest guest]

Must be the other , can't be me.....

Topper ()

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 01:04:34 -0000 " astrodiana "

writes:

> Yep - I second that... is a gem. And a smart cookie as well.

>

[Guest guest]

Must be the other , can't be me.....

Topper ()

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 01:04:34 -0000 " astrodiana "

writes:

> Yep - I second that... is a gem. And a smart cookie as well.

>

[Guest guest]

ThyroGeek! Pard! I am surprised at you! Hehehe Proud to be your thyropard!

And those hairs! Shall we call you Sheena now ?

ThyroFeisty the first!

Re: Re: discouraged and whining

> Why? Just because I like combing my shinny new leg hairs... I'm going for

> a world record in length now... just can't bear to do anything to them...

> they are finally furry!!! hehehehehehe

>

> I've got grown up hormones in my body again! YIPPPEEEEE!!!

>

> Topper () *who is never anything less than completely serious an

> sphincter like*

>

> ... actual word choice, there, ladies.. it was not an incorrect word

> replacement by my spell checker! heheheheeh *wink*

>

>

> On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:51:53 -0800 " Fran Oyler " writes:

> > I know one thing, that I have cracked a smile several times since

> > reading this list. , I love your wit and attitude. Keep it

> > coming. You are healing folks, when you make them laugh. I just know

> > it.

> > Frannie

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

ThyroGeek! Pard! I am surprised at you! Hehehe Proud to be your thyropard!

And those hairs! Shall we call you Sheena now ?

ThyroFeisty the first!

Re: Re: discouraged and whining

> Why? Just because I like combing my shinny new leg hairs... I'm going for

> a world record in length now... just can't bear to do anything to them...

> they are finally furry!!! hehehehehehe

>

> I've got grown up hormones in my body again! YIPPPEEEEE!!!

>

> Topper () *who is never anything less than completely serious an

> sphincter like*

>

> ... actual word choice, there, ladies.. it was not an incorrect word

> replacement by my spell checker! heheheheeh *wink*

>

>

> On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:51:53 -0800 " Fran Oyler " writes:

> > I know one thing, that I have cracked a smile several times since

> > reading this list. , I love your wit and attitude. Keep it

> > coming. You are healing folks, when you make them laugh. I just know

> > it.

> > Frannie

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

yeah right----swamp land anyone?

I agree wholeheartedly with them.

ThyroFeisty (Feisty)one of the ThyroMusketeers!

Re: Re: discouraged and whining

> Must be the other , can't be me.....

>

> Topper ()

>

> On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 01:04:34 -0000 " astrodiana "

> writes:

> > Yep - I second that... is a gem. And a smart cookie as well.

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

No, --- she is braiding it!

Feisty

Re: discouraged and whining

>

> > Must be the other , can't be me.....

> >

> > Topper ()

>

>

> The one who just ordered a curling iron for her leg hair.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sheena didn't have long leg hairs.... Let's.. How about Cheetah? *wink*

Topper ()

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:40:23 -0600 " Webb Osterloh "

writes:

> ThyroGeek! Pard! I am surprised at you! Hehehe Proud to be your

> thyropard!

> And those hairs! Shall we call you Sheena now ?

> ThyroFeisty the first!

[Guest guest]

thumbs in ears, fingers waggling, tongue flapping spittle....

PPPPLLLLLLLULUGUGGGGGGHHHHHHH

ThyroGeek *change to my other name and no one will know it's me! wink*

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 01:36:49 -0000 " astrodiana "

writes:

>

> > Must be the other , can't be me.....

> >

> > Topper ()

>

>

> The one who just ordered a curling iron for her leg hair.

[Guest guest]

.... hair wraps.. with silky blue shades of embroidery floss!

Topper ()

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:43:37 -0600 " Webb Osterloh "

writes:

> No, --- she is braiding it!

> Feisty

[Guest guest]

Just think, you can throw all those razors away forever and make braids. Sure

would like some braids where I am missing.

Frannie

Re: Re: discouraged and whining

Why? Just because I like combing my shinny new leg hairs... I'm going for

a world record in length now... just can't bear to do anything to them...

they are finally furry!!! hehehehehehe

I've got grown up hormones in my body again! YIPPPEEEEE!!!

Topper () *who is never anything less than completely serious an

sphincter like*

... actual word choice, there, ladies.. it was not an incorrect word

replacement by my spell checker! heheheheeh *wink*

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:51:53 -0800 " Fran Oyler " writes:

> I know one thing, that I have cracked a smile several times since

> reading this list. , I love your wit and attitude. Keep it

> coming. You are healing folks, when you make them laugh. I just know

> it.

> Frannie

[Guest guest]

New fashion statement...for those of us that had hormones so out of whack

that we lost body hair... when we regain health to the point that it

returns... our leg hair becomes a symbol of accomplishment, of

achievement!

*wink*

French braids would be nice!

Topper ()

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:32:29 -0800 " Fran Oyler " writes:

> Just think, you can throw all those razors away forever and make

> braids. Sure would like some braids where I am missing.

> Frannie

[Guest guest]

New fashion statement...for those of us that had hormones so out of whack

that we lost body hair... when we regain health to the point that it

returns... our leg hair becomes a symbol of accomplishment, of

achievement!

*wink*

French braids would be nice!

Topper ()

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:32:29 -0800 " Fran Oyler " writes:

> Just think, you can throw all those razors away forever and make

> braids. Sure would like some braids where I am missing.

> Frannie

[Guest guest]

New fashion statement...for those of us that had hormones so out of whack

that we lost body hair... when we regain health to the point that it

returns... our leg hair becomes a symbol of accomplishment, of

achievement!

*wink*

French braids would be nice!

Topper ()

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:32:29 -0800 " Fran Oyler " writes:

> Just think, you can throw all those razors away forever and make

> braids. Sure would like some braids where I am missing.

> Frannie

[Guest guest]

*wink*

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:19:00 -0000 " astrodiana "

writes:

>

> > ... hair wraps.. with silky blue shades of embroidery floss!

> >

> > Topper ()

>

>

>

> OY

[Guest guest]

*wink*

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:19:00 -0000 " astrodiana "

writes:

>

> > ... hair wraps.. with silky blue shades of embroidery floss!

> >

> > Topper ()

>

>

>

> OY

[Guest guest]

*wink*

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:19:00 -0000 " astrodiana "

writes:

>

> > ... hair wraps.. with silky blue shades of embroidery floss!

> >

> > Topper ()

>

>

>

> OY

[Guest guest]

Deborah,

After being on Armour over 6 months, (worked up to 270mg 3x a day) I still had

basal temps of 97 degrees (it was 96 degrees before treatment). I have been

weaning myself off of my Armour this week so I can start time-release T3 for

treatment of 's Thyroid Syndrome on Saturday. Like you, my test results

were always in the normal range but I had clinical symptoms of hypothyroidism

and low body temp. I found a MD that is knowledgeable about thyroid issues and

he suggested this since my basal temp still stays down all day. It might be

worth checking into for you both...

Dusty

Re: Re: discouraged and whining

It depends a lot on the individual.. but whether you feel the effects in

days or weeks.. if you are taking too much too soon and then don't feel

the effects of it for several more weeks... the excessive T4 is still in

your tissues.... the more you have stored up the longer it takes to be

used up... and the only way to use it up is through your body's

conversion... After my RAI it took a full six months to get all the T4

out of my system... that's a long time to still feel like crap and still

be in fear of dropping over dead from a heart attack... there is nothing

that can be done for excessive T4 in the tissues... absolutely

nothing...

you just have to ride it out until your body uses it up... that is why,

I

believe, some docs may be so chicken about increasing doses and dropping

TSH too low.. they don't understand how it all really works.. they only

fear a patient dropping over dead from an over dose that occurred over

weeks or months.

It's just a common sense thing. You have to learn to observe and listen

to your body... Read, study, research, ask questions here.. so that you

understand what you are seeing in your body, and how your moods or

attitudes change... if you see something that is a bit odd, unusual or

just plan don't understand.. tell us about it.. more than 300 folks in

this group alone... and this isn't the only group.. many of us will ask

on our groups or other groups that we are also members of to find an

answer.....

There is no reason to feel that you are all alone... there is an awful

lot of accumulated experience and research when you pool us all

together.. even someone that has just joined has experienced things...

and may match up with a question that you have posed... Now we have two

of your to work with to find out what the commonality is to figure out

what is going on... we're our own lab rats and research scientists...

lets take advantage of that to learn how to care for ourselves and get

our lives back!!!! The docs sure don't seem to give a shit how we

feel....

... oh my... I do have an attitude today... maybe I should stay off line

for today????

Topper ()

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:51:44 -0500 " VITO LABELLARTE "

writes:

> I guess my thoughts are this, she is already on a T4 med, her body is

> used to the T4. It is the T3 that she is going to have to watch for

> symptoms of. Am I remembering wrong isn't she switching from

> Synthroid to Armour? If not then I am wrong.

> From my personal experience I had absolutely no problems increasing

> 60 each week. I didn't think that 30 every 2 weeks was aggressive.

>

> Patti

[Guest guest]

I have been dealing with that " sleek " look -- you know... A bald head is

called a Chrome Dome and my legs? Well, they are completely hairless!

I probably should be taking some female hormones, but I hate what they do

to me, so I will deal with " sleek " ... Just so long as that sleek

appearance does not turn to Chrome Dome! LOL!

Dianne

At 08:53 AM 1/14/04 -0600, you wrote:

>New fashion statement...for those of us that had hormones so out of whack

>that we lost body hair... when we regain health to the point that it

>returns... our leg hair becomes a symbol of accomplishment, of

>achievement!

>

>*wink*

>

>French braids would be nice!