---updosed in 5mg increments & still feeling pretty bad (w/response)

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I've been updosing since my last post & currently at 24.5mgs Valium, as of

yesterday (started out at 30mgs in August).I was at 10.5mgs when I " hit the

wall " . Still having one OKish day (but still not really functioning well) &

anxiety alot the next. Doesn't feel stable. Feels like something is very wrong,

and can't identify it. Emotions feel blunted one day & extreme the next.

Overall functioning still not good. My doctor is thinking of switching me back

to Klonopin. sorry, I feel like such a difficult case. I've been trying to

follow your plan, but don't feel that much better yet. Any suggestions? I

would appreciate it so much. Thank you, Aryana

** Aryana, when you were put on Valium you were already in acute withdrawal

from dropping a drug too quickly, right? You will not find yourself any better

off now than you were when you began the 30 mg of Valium. As far as a switch

back to Klonopin -- after all this time it rarely works to do this. Think back

-- were you that much better at 30 mg that it is worth going to that dose again?

If so, then do it.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thank you for your response. No, I was not tapering quickly from the Klonopin.

I was on it for almost 2 years & feeling perfectly normal, & went into tolerance

withdrawal. I tried a .25mg updose for a month & it didn't help, so chose to do

a Valium crossover to start tapering. Today, at 24.5mgs I'm starting to feel a

little sedated, so definitely better than I was at 10.5mgs, but still not

functional, & w/many symptoms. Have felt a little more " even for the past 2-3

days " , in general. Thank you so much for your reply. Any other suggestions? I

appreciate it so much. Aryana>>

** Hi Aryana,

My point I was trying to make s that you began the whole process being in

withdrawal. So, you will not find yourself feeling any better than you did at

the time you first began the crossover. You were in withdrawal even then so

continuing to reduce the dose only put you in further withdrawal. It's only

common sense.

For everyone, there is only one way to deal with a tolerance withdrawal. You

have to increase the drug until you are well again and then begin a slow

withdrawal dropping no more than 5% of the drug. Wait in between reductions to

feel fine again. Then, do the next reduction.

The distinction in what I've described and what Aryana did was Aryana did not

correct the tolerance withdrawal before beginning reductions. Picture making a

snowball and then putting t at the top of a huge hill and roll it all the way to

the bottom. This s what happened to Aryana. The withdrawal became bigger and

bigger.

Aryana, you will not feel normal now. You were in withdrawal too long to

feel normal. But you must stay at the dose you are at until you slowly improve

enough to begin reductions. If you do it now, you will be in the same condition

you were in several days ago.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thank you for your response. No, I was not tapering quickly from the Klonopin.

I was on it for almost 2 years & feeling perfectly normal, & went into tolerance

withdrawal. I tried a .25mg updose for a month & it didn't help, so chose to do

a Valium crossover to start tapering. Today, at 24.5mgs I'm starting to feel a

little sedated, so definitely better than I was at 10.5mgs, but still not

functional, & w/many symptoms. Have felt a little more " even for the past 2-3

days " , in general. Thank you so much for your reply. Any other suggestions? I

appreciate it so much. Aryana>>

** Hi Aryana,

My point I was trying to make s that you began the whole process being in

withdrawal. So, you will not find yourself feeling any better than you did at

the time you first began the crossover. You were in withdrawal even then so

continuing to reduce the dose only put you in further withdrawal. It's only

common sense.

For everyone, there is only one way to deal with a tolerance withdrawal. You

have to increase the drug until you are well again and then begin a slow

withdrawal dropping no more than 5% of the drug. Wait in between reductions to

feel fine again. Then, do the next reduction.

The distinction in what I've described and what Aryana did was Aryana did not

correct the tolerance withdrawal before beginning reductions. Picture making a

snowball and then putting t at the top of a huge hill and roll it all the way to

the bottom. This s what happened to Aryana. The withdrawal became bigger and

bigger.

Aryana, you will not feel normal now. You were in withdrawal too long to

feel normal. But you must stay at the dose you are at until you slowly improve

enough to begin reductions. If you do it now, you will be in the same condition

you were in several days ago.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thank you for your response. No, I was not tapering quickly from the Klonopin.

I was on it for almost 2 years & feeling perfectly normal, & went into tolerance

withdrawal. I tried a .25mg updose for a month & it didn't help, so chose to do

a Valium crossover to start tapering. Today, at 24.5mgs I'm starting to feel a

little sedated, so definitely better than I was at 10.5mgs, but still not

functional, & w/many symptoms. Have felt a little more " even for the past 2-3

days " , in general. Thank you so much for your reply. Any other suggestions? I

appreciate it so much. Aryana>>

** Hi Aryana,

My point I was trying to make s that you began the whole process being in

withdrawal. So, you will not find yourself feeling any better than you did at

the time you first began the crossover. You were in withdrawal even then so

continuing to reduce the dose only put you in further withdrawal. It's only

common sense.

For everyone, there is only one way to deal with a tolerance withdrawal. You

have to increase the drug until you are well again and then begin a slow

withdrawal dropping no more than 5% of the drug. Wait in between reductions to

feel fine again. Then, do the next reduction.

The distinction in what I've described and what Aryana did was Aryana did not

correct the tolerance withdrawal before beginning reductions. Picture making a

snowball and then putting t at the top of a huge hill and roll it all the way to

the bottom. This s what happened to Aryana. The withdrawal became bigger and

bigger.

Aryana, you will not feel normal now. You were in withdrawal too long to

feel normal. But you must stay at the dose you are at until you slowly improve

enough to begin reductions. If you do it now, you will be in the same condition

you were in several days ago.

Regards,