Guest guest Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Not me. This theory seems a little far-fetched to me. Sue On Saturday, January 26, 2008, at 11:48 AM, susanraeburdick wrote: > He maintains a strong theory that many RA sufferers > where victims of molestation. This is true in my case and is deeply > rooted psychological pain. I question the theory a bit but don't > dismiss it entirely. Has anyone here dealt with similar issues or been > asked about it by doctors or psychologists? I'd appreciate hearing > from you even privately, anything you share with me will be held in > the strictest of confidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 No offense to you or your doctor, but I think it's crap. I'm a PhD psychologist and autoimmune diseases run in my family. I hate the idea that people with autoimmune issues somehow " caused " their disease. I was in a trauma conference once and this idea came up and I was so mad I could have spit. I have a genetic susceptibility and my body (and all of yours too) has been bombarded by environmental chemicals, hormones in the food system, vaccines, and viruses - to name just a few insults. I think those influences interacting with genetics are clearly related to the development of RA -- not an unfulfilling or abusive childhood. That said, if you have a history of abuse issues, clearly you're going to feel better if you work through them with therapy and medication. Stress can only exacerbate any organic illness, but that does not mean the stress *caused* the illness. [ ] Family of Origin My new doctor, who specializes in integrative approaches to medicine has been working with me on the psychological issues relating to the causes of RA. He maintains a strong theory that many RA sufferers where victims of molestation. This is true in my case and is deeply rooted psychological pain. I question the theory a bit but don't dismiss it entirely. Has anyone here dealt with similar issues or been asked about it by doctors or psychologists? I'd appreciate hearing from you even privately, anything you share with me will be held in the strictest of confidence. Thank you. Suz <!-- #ygrp-mkp{ border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:14px 0px;padding:0px 14px;} #ygrp-mkp hr{ border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} #ygrp-mkp #hd{ color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:bold;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0px;} #ygrp-mkp #ads{ margin-bottom:10px;} #ygrp-mkp .ad{ padding:0 0;} #ygrp-mkp .ad a{ color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;} --> <!-- #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc{ font-family:Arial;} #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc #hd{ margin:10px 0px;font-weight:bold;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;} #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc .ad{ margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;} --> <!-- #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} #ygrp-text{ font-family:Georgia; } #ygrp-text p{ margin:0 0 1em 0;} #ygrp-tpmsgs{ font-family:Arial; clear:both;} #ygrp-vitnav{ padding-top:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;margin:0;} #ygrp-vitnav a{ padding:0 1px;} #ygrp-actbar{ clear:both;margin:25px 0;white-space:nowrap;color:#666;text-align:right;} #ygrp-actbar .left{ float:left;white-space:nowrap;} ..bld{font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-grft{ font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;padding:15px 0;} #ygrp-ft{ font-family:verdana;font-size:77%;border-top:1px solid #666; padding:5px 0; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ padding-bottom:10px;} #ygrp-vital{ background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} #ygrp-vital #vithd{ font-size:77%;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:bold;color:#333;text-transform:upp\ ercase;} #ygrp-vital ul{ padding:0;margin:2px 0;} #ygrp-vital ul li{ list-style-type:none;clear:both;border:1px solid #e0ecee; } #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ font-weight:bold;color:#ff7900;float:right;width:2em;text-align:right;padding-ri\ ght:.5em;} #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-vital a{ text-decoration:none;} #ygrp-vital a:hover{ text-decoration:underline;} #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ color:#999;font-size:77%;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ padding:6px 13px;background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;font-size:77%;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ text-decoration:none;font-size:130%;} #ygrp-sponsor #nc{ background-color:#eee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:0 8px;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ padding:8px 0;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#628c2a;font-size:100%;line-height:122%\ ;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ text-decoration:none;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ text-decoration:underline;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ margin:0;} o{font-size:0;} ..MsoNormal{ margin:0 0 0 0;} #ygrp-text tt{ font-size:120%;} blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} ..replbq{margin:4;} --> ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 , I have been told the same thing as . I am the only person in my family who has RA, so no one in my family really understands what I am going through. They think that I need to " tough it out " and I am just being a baby about the pain and fatigue. I have a great husband who understands, so I have his support and I have found this support group online is great. I was diagnosed w/ RA a few months after I got hit by a car as a pedestrian. My orginal rheumy told me that car accident " triggered " my RA. After talking to others w/ RA, I think that is a load of crap. Your post was refreshing to hear. Thanks. > > No offense to you or your doctor, but I think it's crap. I'm a PhD psychologist and autoimmune diseases run in my family. I hate the idea that people with autoimmune issues somehow " caused " their disease. I was in a trauma conference once and this idea came up and I was so mad I could have spit. I have a genetic susceptibility and my body (and all of yours too) has been bombarded by environmental chemicals, hormones in the food system, vaccines, and viruses - to name just a few insults. I think those influences interacting with genetics are clearly related to the development of RA -- not an unfulfilling or abusive childhood. That said, if you have a history of abuse issues, clearly you're going to feel better if you work through them with therapy and medication. Stress can only exacerbate any organic illness, but that does not mean the stress *caused* the illness. > > > [ ] Family of Origin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My new doctor, who specializes in integrative approaches to medicine > > has been working with me on the psychological issues relating to the > > causes of RA. He maintains a strong theory that many RA sufferers > > where victims of molestation. This is true in my case and is deeply > > rooted psychological pain. I question the theory a bit but don't > > dismiss it entirely. Has anyone here dealt with similar issues or been > > asked about it by doctors or psychologists? I'd appreciate hearing > > from you even privately, anything you share with me will be held in > > the strictest of confidence. > > Thank you. > > Suz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <!-- > > #ygrp-mkp{ > border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:14px 0px;padding:0px 14px;} > #ygrp-mkp hr{ > border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} > #ygrp-mkp #hd{ > color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:bold;line- height:122%;margin:10px 0px;} > #ygrp-mkp #ads{ > margin-bottom:10px;} > #ygrp-mkp .ad{ > padding:0 0;} > #ygrp-mkp .ad a{ > color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;} > --> > > > > <!-- > > #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc{ > font-family:Arial;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc #hd{ > margin:10px 0px;font-weight:bold;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc .ad{ > margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;} > --> > > > > <!-- > > #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} > #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} > #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} > #ygrp-text{ > font-family:Georgia; > } > #ygrp-text p{ > margin:0 0 1em 0;} > #ygrp-tpmsgs{ > font-family:Arial; > clear:both;} > #ygrp-vitnav{ > padding-top:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;margin:0;} > #ygrp-vitnav a{ > padding:0 1px;} > #ygrp-actbar{ > clear:both;margin:25px 0;white-space:nowrap;color:#666;text- align:right;} > #ygrp-actbar .left{ > float:left;white-space:nowrap;} > .bld{font-weight:bold;} > #ygrp-grft{ > font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;padding:15px 0;} > #ygrp-ft{ > font-family:verdana;font-size:77%;border-top:1px solid #666; > padding:5px 0; > } > #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ > padding-bottom:10px;} > > #ygrp-vital{ > background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} > #ygrp-vital #vithd{ > font-size:77%;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:bold;color:#333;text- transform:uppercase;} > #ygrp-vital ul{ > padding:0;margin:2px 0;} > #ygrp-vital ul li{ > list-style-type:none;clear:both;border:1px solid #e0ecee; > } > #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ > font-weight:bold;color:#ff7900;float:right;width:2em;text- align:right;padding-right:.5em;} > #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ > font-weight:bold;} > #ygrp-vital a{ > text-decoration:none;} > > #ygrp-vital a:hover{ > text-decoration:underline;} > > #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ > color:#999;font-size:77%;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ > padding:6px 13px;background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ > padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ > list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;font-size:77%;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ > text-decoration:none;font-size:130%;} > #ygrp-sponsor #nc{ > background-color:#eee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:0 8px;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ > padding:8px 0;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ > font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#628c2a;font- size:100%;line-height:122%;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ > text-decoration:none;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ > text-decoration:underline;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ > margin:0;} > o{font-size:0;} > .MsoNormal{ > margin:0 0 0 0;} > #ygrp-text tt{ > font-size:120%;} > blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} > .replbq{margin:4;} > --> > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 You stated that your doc said he thought the accident triggered your RA. My G.P. accompanied by my mother(she is a nurse) think mine was " triggered " by me taking Lyrica for nerve pain. Is that even possible. > > > > No offense to you or your doctor, but I think it's crap. I'm a PhD > psychologist and autoimmune diseases run in my family. I hate the > idea that people with autoimmune issues somehow " caused " their > disease. I was in a trauma conference once and this idea came up and > I was so mad I could have spit. I have a genetic susceptibility and > my body (and all of yours too) has been bombarded by environmental > chemicals, hormones in the food system, vaccines, and viruses - to > name just a few insults. I think those influences interacting with > genetics are clearly related to the development of RA -- not an > unfulfilling or abusive childhood. That said, if you have a history > of abuse issues, clearly you're going to feel better if you work > through them with therapy and medication. Stress can only exacerbate > any organic illness, but that does not mean the stress *caused* the > illness. > > > > > > [ ] Family of Origin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My new doctor, who specializes in integrative > approaches to medicine > > > > has been working with me on the psychological issues relating to the > > > > causes of RA. He maintains a strong theory that many RA sufferers > > > > where victims of molestation. This is true in my case and is deeply > > > > rooted psychological pain. I question the theory a bit but don't > > > > dismiss it entirely. Has anyone here dealt with similar issues or > been > > > > asked about it by doctors or psychologists? I'd appreciate hearing > > > > from you even privately, anything you share with me will be held in > > > > the strictest of confidence. > > > > Thank you. > > > > Suz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <!-- > > > > #ygrp-mkp{ > > border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:14px > 0px;padding:0px 14px;} > > #ygrp-mkp hr{ > > border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} > > #ygrp-mkp #hd{ > > color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:bold;line- > height:122%;margin:10px 0px;} > > #ygrp-mkp #ads{ > > margin-bottom:10px;} > > #ygrp-mkp .ad{ > > padding:0 0;} > > #ygrp-mkp .ad a{ > > color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;} > > --> > > > > > > > > <!-- > > > > #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc{ > > font-family:Arial;} > > #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc #hd{ > > margin:10px 0px;font-weight:bold;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;} > > #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc .ad{ > > margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;} > > --> > > > > > > > > <!-- > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial, helvetica, clean, > sans-serif;} > > #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} > > #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, > clean, sans-serif;} > > #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} > > #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} > > #ygrp-text{ > > font-family:Georgia; > > } > > #ygrp-text p{ > > margin:0 0 1em 0;} > > #ygrp-tpmsgs{ > > font-family:Arial; > > clear:both;} > > #ygrp-vitnav{ > > padding-top:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;margin:0;} > > #ygrp-vitnav a{ > > padding:0 1px;} > > #ygrp-actbar{ > > clear:both;margin:25px 0;white-space:nowrap;color:#666;text- > align:right;} > > #ygrp-actbar .left{ > > float:left;white-space:nowrap;} > > .bld{font-weight:bold;} > > #ygrp-grft{ > > font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;padding:15px 0;} > > #ygrp-ft{ > > font-family:verdana;font-size:77%;border-top:1px solid #666; > > padding:5px 0; > > } > > #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ > > padding-bottom:10px;} > > > > #ygrp-vital{ > > background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} > > #ygrp-vital #vithd{ > > font-size:77%;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:bold;color:#333;text- > transform:uppercase;} > > #ygrp-vital ul{ > > padding:0;margin:2px 0;} > > #ygrp-vital ul li{ > > list-style-type:none;clear:both;border:1px solid #e0ecee; > > } > > #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ > > font-weight:bold;color:#ff7900;float:right;width:2em;text- > align:right;padding-right:.5em;} > > #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ > > font-weight:bold;} > > #ygrp-vital a{ > > text-decoration:none;} > > > > #ygrp-vital a:hover{ > > text-decoration:underline;} > > > > #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ > > color:#999;font-size:77%;} > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ > > padding:6px 13px;background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;} > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ > > padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0;} > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ > > list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;font-size:77%;} > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ > > text-decoration:none;font-size:130%;} > > #ygrp-sponsor #nc{ > > background-color:#eee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:0 8px;} > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ > > padding:8px 0;} > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ > > font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#628c2a;font- > size:100%;line-height:122%;} > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ > > text-decoration:none;} > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ > > text-decoration:underline;} > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ > > margin:0;} > > o{font-size:0;} > > .MsoNormal{ > > margin:0 0 0 0;} > > #ygrp-text tt{ > > font-size:120%;} > > blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} > > .replbq{margin:4;} > > --> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > Find them fast with Search. > http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 , thank you for your response. RA also runs in my family...my grandmother had it quite severely. I know for me, personally, I had a great childhood and have been happily married for the last 26 years...and I have RA. I do not think that I did anything to cause it. I am interested, though, in if some how the gastric bypass surgery..and the big changes it causes in our bodies...could some how trigger it? I am just wondering this..so please...no body flame me...I am learning and asking questions. Today my wrists and hips hurt so bad I can hardly stand it. I have one other question...the pain in my joints seems to " travel " ..meaning one day my wrists will hurt and the next day it might be my knees. Is this part of the RA? I haven't been to a Rheumy yet...and I am trying to learn all I can. Also...not to sound too dumb...but..since this is an auto immune disease does that mean that my immune system itself doesn't work as well? I mean, am I more susceptible to colds, infections, etc. now then I was before I got the RA? To the gal that wondered about the tie in with childhood abuse issues...God Bless you dear! You were very brave to post that! Personally, I don't think that any psychological trauma could cause an auto immune response...but..who knows? We learn new things every day... it just seems like one would not cause the other..but then I do work with a Dr. that does think that Fibromyalgia is the result of physical changes caused by chronic stress. Any way...I also find this all a bit overwhelming. Glad you are all out there! Jeanette > > No offense to you or your doctor, but I think it's crap. I'm a PhD psychologist and autoimmune diseases run in my family. I hate the idea that people with autoimmune issues somehow " caused " their disease. I was in a trauma conference once and this idea came up and I was so mad I could have spit. I have a genetic susceptibility and my body (and all of yours too) has been bombarded by environmental chemicals, hormones in the food system, vaccines, and viruses - to name just a few insults. I think those influences interacting with genetics are clearly related to the development of RA -- not an unfulfilling or abusive childhood. That said, if you have a history of abuse issues, clearly you're going to feel better if you work through them with therapy and medication. Stress can only exacerbate any organic illness, but that does not mean the stress *caused* the illness. > > > [ ] Family of Origin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My new doctor, who specializes in integrative approaches to medicine > > has been working with me on the psychological issues relating to the > > causes of RA. He maintains a strong theory that many RA sufferers > > where victims of molestation. This is true in my case and is deeply > > rooted psychological pain. I question the theory a bit but don't > > dismiss it entirely. Has anyone here dealt with similar issues or been > > asked about it by doctors or psychologists? I'd appreciate hearing > > from you even privately, anything you share with me will be held in > > the strictest of confidence. > > Thank you. > > Suz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <!-- > > #ygrp-mkp{ > border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:14px 0px;padding:0px 14px;} > #ygrp-mkp hr{ > border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} > #ygrp-mkp #hd{ > color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:bold;line- height:122%;margin:10px 0px;} > #ygrp-mkp #ads{ > margin-bottom:10px;} > #ygrp-mkp .ad{ > padding:0 0;} > #ygrp-mkp .ad a{ > color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;} > --> > > > > <!-- > > #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc{ > font-family:Arial;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc #hd{ > margin:10px 0px;font-weight:bold;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc .ad{ > margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;} > --> > > > > <!-- > > #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} > #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} > #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} > #ygrp-text{ > font-family:Georgia; > } > #ygrp-text p{ > margin:0 0 1em 0;} > #ygrp-tpmsgs{ > font-family:Arial; > clear:both;} > #ygrp-vitnav{ > padding-top:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;margin:0;} > #ygrp-vitnav a{ > padding:0 1px;} > #ygrp-actbar{ > clear:both;margin:25px 0;white-space:nowrap;color:#666;text- align:right;} > #ygrp-actbar .left{ > float:left;white-space:nowrap;} > .bld{font-weight:bold;} > #ygrp-grft{ > font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;padding:15px 0;} > #ygrp-ft{ > font-family:verdana;font-size:77%;border-top:1px solid #666; > padding:5px 0; > } > #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ > padding-bottom:10px;} > > #ygrp-vital{ > background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} > #ygrp-vital #vithd{ > font-size:77%;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:bold;color:#333;text- transform:uppercase;} > #ygrp-vital ul{ > padding:0;margin:2px 0;} > #ygrp-vital ul li{ > list-style-type:none;clear:both;border:1px solid #e0ecee; > } > #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ > font-weight:bold;color:#ff7900;float:right;width:2em;text- align:right;padding-right:.5em;} > #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ > font-weight:bold;} > #ygrp-vital a{ > text-decoration:none;} > > #ygrp-vital a:hover{ > text-decoration:underline;} > > #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ > color:#999;font-size:77%;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ > padding:6px 13px;background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ > padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ > list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;font-size:77%;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ > text-decoration:none;font-size:130%;} > #ygrp-sponsor #nc{ > background-color:#eee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:0 8px;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ > padding:8px 0;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ > font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#628c2a;font- size:100%;line-height:122%;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ > text-decoration:none;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ > text-decoration:underline;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ > margin:0;} > o{font-size:0;} > .MsoNormal{ > margin:0 0 0 0;} > #ygrp-text tt{ > font-size:120%;} > blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} > .replbq{margin:4;} > --> > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Auto-immune disorders seem to run in my family - we've got at least a couple in each generation, down to my children's generation. I can assure you that molestation has nothing to do with our disorders! That said, however, I've talked to both my PCP (who is also holistic in her approach) and my rheumy on the " why me? " question. They both agree that if you have the susceptibility, auto-immune disorders can be triggered by stress - physical or emotional. In my case the stress of a major auto accident was almost certainly the trigger, as I developed symptoms shortly after the accident. My sister first developed symptoms of RA and Reynauds while she was trying to take care of our elderly mother and aunt. My daughter and son both have psoriasis, and both developed it as children shortly after they had to change schools and had difficulty adjusting to the new environment. And it is pretty obvious that stress will cause any of us to flare! My daughter spent several years in therapy, which included stress management techniques, like meditation and breathing exercises. I can see where they have helped her immensely. This is just a guess, but surely molestation must be a major stressor that could keep coming up again and again. On Jan 26, 2008 8:48 AM, susanraeburdick <susanraeburdick@...> wrote: > > > > > > > My new doctor, who specializes in integrative approaches to medicine > has been working with me on the psychological issues relating to the > causes of RA. He maintains a strong theory that many RA sufferers > where victims of molestation. This is true in my case and is deeply > rooted psychological pain. I question the theory a bit but don't > dismiss it entirely. Has anyone here dealt with similar issues or been > asked about it by doctors or psychologists? I'd appreciate hearing > from you even privately, anything you share with me will be held in > the strictest of confidence. > Thank you. > Suz > -- South Pasadena, CA / Lilydale, MN You can see my galleries at http://www.pbase.com/arenared986 M. Schulz - " All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 I was molested for years. I do not believe it is connected to RA. susanraeburdick <susanraeburdick@...> wrote: My new doctor, who specializes in integrative approaches to medicine has been working with me on the psychological issues relating to the causes of RA. He maintains a strong theory that many RA sufferers where victims of molestation. This is true in my case and is deeply rooted psychological pain. I question the theory a bit but don't dismiss it entirely. Has anyone here dealt with similar issues or been asked about it by doctors or psychologists? I'd appreciate hearing from you even privately, anything you share with me will be held in the strictest of confidence. Thank you. Suz Raniolo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 That false perception is even more prevalent when it comes to type 2 diabetes. Sue On Saturday, January 26, 2008, at 04:37 PM, Fair wrote: > I hate the idea that people with autoimmune issues somehow " caused " > their disease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Having an anxiety disorder and going through CBT I definitely agree and have learned that stress can manifest itself in pain and make our pain worse. I've never been told stress causes my autoimmune issues, just that it can contribute to making it worse and needs to be dealt with as a way of coping/managing pain. --- Overell <patricia.overell@...> wrote: > Auto-immune disorders seem to run in my family - > we've got at least a > couple in each generation, down to my children's > generation. I can > assure you that molestation has nothing to do with > our disorders! > > That said, however, I've talked to both my PCP (who > is also holistic > in her approach) and my rheumy on the " why me? " > question. They both > agree that if you have the susceptibility, > auto-immune disorders can > be triggered by stress - physical or emotional. In > my case the stress > of a major auto accident was almost certainly the > trigger, as I > developed symptoms shortly after the accident. My > sister first > developed symptoms of RA and Reynauds while she was > trying to take > care of our elderly mother and aunt. My daughter > and son both have > psoriasis, and both developed it as children shortly > after they had to > change schools and had difficulty adjusting to the > new environment. > And it is pretty obvious that stress will cause any > of us to flare! > My daughter spent several years in therapy, which > included stress > management techniques, like meditation and breathing > exercises. I can > see where they have helped her immensely. > > This is just a guess, but surely molestation must be > a major stressor > that could keep coming up again and again. > > On Jan 26, 2008 8:48 AM, susanraeburdick > <susanraeburdick@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My new doctor, who specializes in integrative > approaches to medicine > > has been working with me on the psychological > issues relating to the > > causes of RA. He maintains a strong theory that > many RA sufferers > > where victims of molestation. This is true in my > case and is deeply > > rooted psychological pain. I question the theory > a bit but don't > > dismiss it entirely. Has anyone here dealt with > similar issues or been > > asked about it by doctors or psychologists? I'd > appreciate hearing > > from you even privately, anything you share with > me will be held in > > the strictest of confidence. > > Thank you. > > Suz > > > > > > -- > > South Pasadena, CA / Lilydale, MN > You can see my galleries at > http://www.pbase.com/arenared986 > > M. Schulz - " All you need is love. But a > little chocolate now > and then doesn't hurt. " > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Never miss a thing. Make your home page. http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Hi Jeanette! I did not realize there was already a Jeanette on this board...my friends call me Jeannie...so from now on I will go by Jeannie...Nice to meet you..there are not too many of us " jeanettes " around! Jeannie > > It is's interesting to hear different perceptions on how one aquires > RA. I had a great Aunt that I never knew with severe RA. I had > regular arthritis onset at age 13. I have always known that I was > susceptible to getting/having RA but truly hoped I woulld not. I had > a car wreck 3 years ago, if I'd been in a smaller car I would have > been killed. But it was after this that I started having a LOT of > trouble, starting with severe nose bleeds (connection??). Truthfully, > I think the stress of moving 8 times in 4 years, lack of adequate > finances, the stress of this accident AND family history was the cause > of my RA. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 > it. I am interested, though, in if some how the gastric bypass > surgery..and the big changes it causes in our bodies...could some how > trigger it? I am just wondering this..so please...no body flame good question > me...I am learning and asking questions. Today my wrists and hips > hurt so bad I can hardly stand it. I have one other question...the > pain in my joints seems to " travel " ..meaning one day my wrists will > hurt and the next day it might be my knees. Is this part of the RA? well i experience this, different parts of my body flare up at different times, although my feet and hands are consistent... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 > > That false perception is even more prevalent when it comes to type 2 > > diabetes. > > Sue>>> > > > Does gaining too much weight or being overweight contribute to the > likelihood of type 2 diabetes in some people? > If so, I would think some people have some control over it? Diabetes is not an autoimmune illness, it is a civilizational disease (it's widespread and its cause is the civilization's excesses...). But Hashimoto is an autoimmune. People with Hashimoto struggle with weight gain like you would not believe. And there is NO diet for them. You could stop eating at all and you wouldn't lose a pound, you'd die first and still fat! The only way to have some effect is to tweak the thyroid hormone levels in your body... Because Hashimoto destroys the hormones... And the tweaking isn't easy... It can take years before you find the comfortable level for yourself and by that time the level of autoantibodies increase... In autoimmune control over issues outside of the illness come with control over the illness. Not the opposite. For as long as you can't control the pain, you won't be able to exercise or eat well. Or get better attitude to life. Or have a life that is approaching normal... It is important to know what control is worth pursuing. You guys are not guilty of getting sick. You didn't do anything wrong! You families didn't do anything wrong! We don't know how to protect ourselves from autoimmune disorders. WE DON'T KNOW HOW! Alice (caretaker of RA sufferer) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 " Here's some aspirin, take it 'til your ears ring and maybe when your hands start curling we'll give you some gold injections. " Oh my gosh, Kate. Were you with my mother when she went to the doctors in the 70's??? I still remember the -'til your ears ring statement. In fact that statement is almost verbatim of what she was told by her doctors. Several of them. About the quack who is opining that RA patients have been molested. This is also one of the 'new' reasonings behind fibromylagia. Did he also suggest a copper bracelet to treat the RA by any chance? There are a lot of reasons why someone ends up with RA. Genetic, triggers, viruses, things not yet dreamed of. But this quack reminds me of the psychic who keeps asking questions and making statements until something he says is right. I see a woman with blonde hair, no grey hair, her name started with a H, umm S??? Guess enough if you are looking for a emotional cause, and you will find one. Does it have anything to do with RA? Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 > > No offense to you or your doctor, but I think it's crap. > ----- I don't think I'd call anyone's theory a load of crap, if that " theory " helps them to cope. Of course, I'm not a PhD, I'm only a JD. As was pointed out, we all search for answers. It is my layman's experience and position that the " not knowing " the answer for some things to be frustrating, even agonizing. If one contemplates, hypothozies, theorizes and comes to their own answer for " why " and it brings them any relief and comfort I would respect that, and start exploring from there. If it helps their pain and helps them to cope I would be loathe to invalidate their " answer " by throwing a load of excrement upon it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 , I have been told that I am making myself sick and that I am " too young " to be in pain. This doctor refused to write me any rx's. (she was filling in when my pcp was out). I was pissed. I never knew pain had an age requirment or that I am doing this to myself. I have been to many doctors who I refuse to see because of this way of thinking. > > > > > > No offense to you or your doctor, but I think it's > > crap. > ----- > > > > I don't think I'd call anyone's theory a load of > > crap, > > if that " theory " helps them to cope. > > > > Of course, I'm not a PhD, I'm only a JD. > > > > As was pointed out, we all search for answers. > > It is my layman's experience and position > > that the " not knowing " > > the answer for some things > > to be frustrating, even agonizing. > > > > If one contemplates, > > hypothozies, > > theorizes and > > comes to their own answer for " why " > > and it brings them any relief and comfort > > I would respect that, and > > start exploring from there. > > > > If it helps their pain and helps them to cope > > I would be loathe to invalidate their " answer " > > by throwing a load of excrement upon it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > Find them fast with Search. > > > http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php? category=shopping > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 > So you are saying that we're guiltless when we get autoimmune > disorders, but to blame when we get type 2 diabetes. (Type 1 diabetes > is an autoimmune disease.) > Sue, I may have not made my point clear: I don't blame the people with diabetes, I blame the civilization. It's fast pace, it's lack of concern for the health of the people, I blame agricultural methods, our goals as a civilization (chicken on every table every day - preferably fast food, steak every other day, sugar and salt in everything including water... and strawberries with carrot genes...). The individual copes the best he/she can. I have a predisposition to thyroid disorder. One day I was making plans for a long drive thru the state... In the store it took me hours to find something to munch on while I was driving... Every snack had soy in it (sweat, sour, salty - all had soy), I need to avoid soy if I can. Not totally, but limit it... stressing my thyroid with my family history is not wise (my mom and my sister suffered thyroid disorder, I am the only woman standing)... It took me hours to find something agreeable. And then it occurred to me - how many people have time to search for hours? It is not easy for anyone but with autoimmune, beyond the general 'avoid poisons', what can be done? My mom has Grave's. We lived in the so called 'thyroid belt'. Meaning lots of people got thyroid disorders. Our neighbor got a multinodular goiter that never went hot. My mom got Grave's. Yes, the neighbor's case was difficult but manageable... My mom's life was turned up side down... And my mom was the one who had been aware of the existence of 'thyroid belt' and she was trying to keep up a good diet and take care of her thyroid... My point was, that some diseases can be prevented, not all successfully but we can try. We don't know what to try with autoimmune. Alice (caretaker of RA patient) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Like the lady who stood by using the descriptive word " crap " , I stand by my using the word " Quack " . I, too could have been a lot less diplomatic in my wording. I've had a front seat to RA since the early 1970's, and have seen a lot of 'theories' on the cause and treatment of RA. Most of it rubbish. Doctors are not Gods, I've seen too many of them play to the hope of the sick, to find a cause or a cure. Just do a internet search for RA " cures. Usually they were lining their pockets, not curing anyone. It is naive to think all doctors have our best interests at heart. But to have someone use their 'diploma' and 'expertise' to tell me that someone did something to me to cause this is hogwash. I believe in Science, DNA, evolution, and a genetic basis to RA. I also believe in the sciencific method, and clinic trials, I would bet the 'doctor' with the molestation theory does not have any research or trials to back up his statements. --- In , Burdick <susanraeburdick@...> wrote: > > , let's be careful about using the term " quack " . We are all on a journey of discovery back to good health and hey if it works for you, do it and God bless you on your way. There are as many roads to healing as there are reasons for why we are victims of an insidious disease. > Suz > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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