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Not me. This theory seems a little far-fetched to me.

Sue

On Saturday, January 26, 2008, at 11:48 AM, susanraeburdick wrote:

> He maintains a strong theory that many RA sufferers

> where victims of molestation. This is true in my case and is deeply

> rooted psychological pain. I question the theory a bit but don't

> dismiss it entirely. Has anyone here dealt with similar issues or been

> asked about it by doctors or psychologists? I'd appreciate hearing

> from you even privately, anything you share with me will be held in

> the strictest of confidence.

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No offense to you or your doctor, but I think it's crap. I'm a PhD psychologist

and autoimmune diseases run in my family. I hate the idea that people with

autoimmune issues somehow " caused " their disease. I was in a trauma conference

once and this idea came up and I was so mad I could have spit. I have a genetic

susceptibility and my body (and all of yours too) has been bombarded by

environmental chemicals, hormones in the food system, vaccines, and viruses - to

name just a few insults. I think those influences interacting with genetics are

clearly related to the development of RA -- not an unfulfilling or abusive

childhood. That said, if you have a history of abuse issues, clearly you're

going to feel better if you work through them with therapy and medication.

Stress can only exacerbate any organic illness, but that does not mean the

stress *caused* the illness.

[ ] Family of Origin

My new doctor, who specializes in integrative approaches to medicine

has been working with me on the psychological issues relating to the

causes of RA. He maintains a strong theory that many RA sufferers

where victims of molestation. This is true in my case and is deeply

rooted psychological pain. I question the theory a bit but don't

dismiss it entirely. Has anyone here dealt with similar issues or been

asked about it by doctors or psychologists? I'd appreciate hearing

from you even privately, anything you share with me will be held in

the strictest of confidence.

Thank you.

Suz

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,

I have been told the same thing as . I am the only person in my

family who has RA, so no one in my family really understands what I

am going through. They think that I need to " tough it out " and I am

just being a baby about the pain and fatigue. I have a great husband

who understands, so I have his support and I have found this support

group online is great.

I was diagnosed w/ RA a few months after I got hit by a car as a

pedestrian. My orginal rheumy told me that car accident " triggered "

my RA. After talking to others w/ RA, I think that is a load of

crap. Your post was refreshing to hear. Thanks.

>

> No offense to you or your doctor, but I think it's crap. I'm a PhD

psychologist and autoimmune diseases run in my family. I hate the

idea that people with autoimmune issues somehow " caused " their

disease. I was in a trauma conference once and this idea came up and

I was so mad I could have spit. I have a genetic susceptibility and

my body (and all of yours too) has been bombarded by environmental

chemicals, hormones in the food system, vaccines, and viruses - to

name just a few insults. I think those influences interacting with

genetics are clearly related to the development of RA -- not an

unfulfilling or abusive childhood. That said, if you have a history

of abuse issues, clearly you're going to feel better if you work

through them with therapy and medication. Stress can only exacerbate

any organic illness, but that does not mean the stress *caused* the

illness.

>

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> My new doctor, who specializes in integrative

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> has been working with me on the psychological issues relating to the

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> causes of RA. He maintains a strong theory that many RA sufferers

>

> where victims of molestation. This is true in my case and is deeply

>

> rooted psychological pain. I question the theory a bit but don't

>

> dismiss it entirely. Has anyone here dealt with similar issues or

been

>

> asked about it by doctors or psychologists? I'd appreciate hearing

>

> from you even privately, anything you share with me will be held in

>

> the strictest of confidence.

>

> Thank you.

>

> Suz

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You stated that your doc said he thought the accident triggered your

RA. My G.P. accompanied by my mother(she is a nurse) think mine was

" triggered " by me taking Lyrica for nerve pain. Is that even possible.

> >

> > No offense to you or your doctor, but I think it's crap. I'm a PhD

> psychologist and autoimmune diseases run in my family. I hate the

> idea that people with autoimmune issues somehow " caused " their

> disease. I was in a trauma conference once and this idea came up and

> I was so mad I could have spit. I have a genetic susceptibility and

> my body (and all of yours too) has been bombarded by environmental

> chemicals, hormones in the food system, vaccines, and viruses - to

> name just a few insults. I think those influences interacting with

> genetics are clearly related to the development of RA -- not an

> unfulfilling or abusive childhood. That said, if you have a history

> of abuse issues, clearly you're going to feel better if you work

> through them with therapy and medication. Stress can only exacerbate

> any organic illness, but that does not mean the stress *caused* the

> illness.

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> > My new doctor, who specializes in integrative

> approaches to medicine

> >

> > has been working with me on the psychological issues relating to the

> >

> > causes of RA. He maintains a strong theory that many RA sufferers

> >

> > where victims of molestation. This is true in my case and is deeply

> >

> > rooted psychological pain. I question the theory a bit but don't

> >

> > dismiss it entirely. Has anyone here dealt with similar issues or

> been

> >

> > asked about it by doctors or psychologists? I'd appreciate hearing

> >

> > from you even privately, anything you share with me will be held in

> >

> > the strictest of confidence.

> >

> > Thank you.

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, thank you for your response. RA also runs in my family...my

grandmother had it quite severely. I know for me, personally, I had a

great childhood and have been happily married for the last 26

years...and I have RA. I do not think that I did anything to cause

it. I am interested, though, in if some how the gastric bypass

surgery..and the big changes it causes in our bodies...could some how

trigger it? I am just wondering this..so please...no body flame

me...I am learning and asking questions. Today my wrists and hips

hurt so bad I can hardly stand it. I have one other question...the

pain in my joints seems to " travel " ..meaning one day my wrists will

hurt and the next day it might be my knees. Is this part of the RA? I

haven't been to a Rheumy yet...and I am trying to learn all I can.

Also...not to sound too dumb...but..since this is an auto immune

disease does that mean that my immune system itself doesn't work as

well? I mean, am I more susceptible to colds, infections, etc. now

then I was before I got the RA? To the gal that wondered about the

tie in with childhood abuse issues...God Bless you dear! You were

very brave to post that! Personally, I don't think that any

psychological trauma could cause an auto immune response...but..who

knows? We learn new things every day... it just seems like one would

not cause the other..but then I do work with a Dr. that does think

that Fibromyalgia is the result of physical changes caused by chronic

stress. Any way...I also find this all a bit overwhelming. Glad you

are all out there! Jeanette

>

> No offense to you or your doctor, but I think it's crap. I'm a PhD

psychologist and autoimmune diseases run in my family. I hate the

idea that people with autoimmune issues somehow " caused " their

disease. I was in a trauma conference once and this idea came up and

I was so mad I could have spit. I have a genetic susceptibility and

my body (and all of yours too) has been bombarded by environmental

chemicals, hormones in the food system, vaccines, and viruses - to

name just a few insults. I think those influences interacting with

genetics are clearly related to the development of RA -- not an

unfulfilling or abusive childhood. That said, if you have a history

of abuse issues, clearly you're going to feel better if you work

through them with therapy and medication. Stress can only exacerbate

any organic illness, but that does not mean the stress *caused* the

illness.

>

>

> [ ] Family of Origin

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> My new doctor, who specializes in integrative

approaches to medicine

>

> has been working with me on the psychological issues relating to the

>

> causes of RA. He maintains a strong theory that many RA sufferers

>

> where victims of molestation. This is true in my case and is deeply

>

> rooted psychological pain. I question the theory a bit but don't

>

> dismiss it entirely. Has anyone here dealt with similar issues or

been

>

> asked about it by doctors or psychologists? I'd appreciate hearing

>

> from you even privately, anything you share with me will be held in

>

> the strictest of confidence.

>

> Thank you.

>

> Suz

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Auto-immune disorders seem to run in my family - we've got at least a

couple in each generation, down to my children's generation. I can

assure you that molestation has nothing to do with our disorders!

That said, however, I've talked to both my PCP (who is also holistic

in her approach) and my rheumy on the " why me? " question. They both

agree that if you have the susceptibility, auto-immune disorders can

be triggered by stress - physical or emotional. In my case the stress

of a major auto accident was almost certainly the trigger, as I

developed symptoms shortly after the accident. My sister first

developed symptoms of RA and Reynauds while she was trying to take

care of our elderly mother and aunt. My daughter and son both have

psoriasis, and both developed it as children shortly after they had to

change schools and had difficulty adjusting to the new environment.

And it is pretty obvious that stress will cause any of us to flare!

My daughter spent several years in therapy, which included stress

management techniques, like meditation and breathing exercises. I can

see where they have helped her immensely.

This is just a guess, but surely molestation must be a major stressor

that could keep coming up again and again.

On Jan 26, 2008 8:48 AM, susanraeburdick <susanraeburdick@...> wrote:

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>

>

>

>

>

> My new doctor, who specializes in integrative approaches to medicine

> has been working with me on the psychological issues relating to the

> causes of RA. He maintains a strong theory that many RA sufferers

> where victims of molestation. This is true in my case and is deeply

> rooted psychological pain. I question the theory a bit but don't

> dismiss it entirely. Has anyone here dealt with similar issues or been

> asked about it by doctors or psychologists? I'd appreciate hearing

> from you even privately, anything you share with me will be held in

> the strictest of confidence.

> Thank you.

> Suz

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I was molested for years. I do not believe it is connected to RA.

susanraeburdick <susanraeburdick@...> wrote: My new doctor, who

specializes in integrative approaches to medicine

has been working with me on the psychological issues relating to the

causes of RA. He maintains a strong theory that many RA sufferers

where victims of molestation. This is true in my case and is deeply

rooted psychological pain. I question the theory a bit but don't

dismiss it entirely. Has anyone here dealt with similar issues or been

asked about it by doctors or psychologists? I'd appreciate hearing

from you even privately, anything you share with me will be held in

the strictest of confidence.

Thank you.

Suz

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That false perception is even more prevalent when it comes to type 2

diabetes.

Sue

On Saturday, January 26, 2008, at 04:37 PM, Fair wrote:

> I hate the idea that people with autoimmune issues somehow " caused "

> their disease.

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Having an anxiety disorder and going through CBT I

definitely agree and have learned that stress can

manifest itself in pain and make our pain worse. I've

never been told stress causes my autoimmune issues,

just that it can contribute to making it worse and

needs to be dealt with as a way of coping/managing

pain.

--- Overell <patricia.overell@...>

wrote:

> Auto-immune disorders seem to run in my family -

> we've got at least a

> couple in each generation, down to my children's

> generation. I can

> assure you that molestation has nothing to do with

> our disorders!

>

> That said, however, I've talked to both my PCP (who

> is also holistic

> in her approach) and my rheumy on the " why me? "

> question. They both

> agree that if you have the susceptibility,

> auto-immune disorders can

> be triggered by stress - physical or emotional. In

> my case the stress

> of a major auto accident was almost certainly the

> trigger, as I

> developed symptoms shortly after the accident. My

> sister first

> developed symptoms of RA and Reynauds while she was

> trying to take

> care of our elderly mother and aunt. My daughter

> and son both have

> psoriasis, and both developed it as children shortly

> after they had to

> change schools and had difficulty adjusting to the

> new environment.

> And it is pretty obvious that stress will cause any

> of us to flare!

> My daughter spent several years in therapy, which

> included stress

> management techniques, like meditation and breathing

> exercises. I can

> see where they have helped her immensely.

>

> This is just a guess, but surely molestation must be

> a major stressor

> that could keep coming up again and again.

>

> On Jan 26, 2008 8:48 AM, susanraeburdick

> <susanraeburdick@...> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > My new doctor, who specializes in integrative

> approaches to medicine

> > has been working with me on the psychological

> issues relating to the

> > causes of RA. He maintains a strong theory that

> many RA sufferers

> > where victims of molestation. This is true in my

> case and is deeply

> > rooted psychological pain. I question the theory

> a bit but don't

> > dismiss it entirely. Has anyone here dealt with

> similar issues or been

> > asked about it by doctors or psychologists? I'd

> appreciate hearing

> > from you even privately, anything you share with

> me will be held in

> > the strictest of confidence.

> > Thank you.

> > Suz

> >

>

>

>

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Hi Jeanette! I did not realize there was already a Jeanette on this

board...my friends call me Jeannie...so from now on I will go by

Jeannie...Nice to meet you..there are not too many of us " jeanettes "

around! Jeannie

>

> It is's interesting to hear different perceptions on how one aquires

> RA. I had a great Aunt that I never knew with severe RA. I had

> regular arthritis onset at age 13. I have always known that I was

> susceptible to getting/having RA but truly hoped I woulld not. I had

> a car wreck 3 years ago, if I'd been in a smaller car I would have

> been killed. But it was after this that I started having a LOT of

> trouble, starting with severe nose bleeds (connection??).

Truthfully,

> I think the stress of moving 8 times in 4 years, lack of adequate

> finances, the stress of this accident AND family history was the

cause

> of my RA.

>

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> it. I am interested, though, in if some how the gastric bypass

> surgery..and the big changes it causes in our bodies...could some how

> trigger it? I am just wondering this..so please...no body flame

good question

> me...I am learning and asking questions. Today my wrists and hips

> hurt so bad I can hardly stand it. I have one other question...the

> pain in my joints seems to " travel " ..meaning one day my wrists will

> hurt and the next day it might be my knees. Is this part of the RA?

well i experience this, different parts of my body flare up at

different times, although my feet and hands are consistent...

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> > That false perception is even more prevalent when it comes to type 2

> > diabetes.

> > Sue>>>

> >

> Does gaining too much weight or being overweight contribute

to the

> likelihood of type 2 diabetes in some people?

> If so, I would think some people have some control over it?

Diabetes is not an autoimmune illness, it is a civilizational disease

(it's widespread and its cause is the civilization's excesses...).

But Hashimoto is an autoimmune. People with Hashimoto struggle with

weight gain like you would not believe. And there is NO diet for them.

You could stop eating at all and you wouldn't lose a pound, you'd die

first and still fat! The only way to have some effect is to tweak the

thyroid hormone levels in your body... Because Hashimoto destroys the

hormones... And the tweaking isn't easy... It can take years before

you find the comfortable level for yourself and by that time the level

of autoantibodies increase...

In autoimmune control over issues outside of the illness come with

control over the illness. Not the opposite. For as long as you can't

control the pain, you won't be able to exercise or eat well. Or get

better attitude to life. Or have a life that is approaching normal...

It is important to know what control is worth pursuing.

You guys are not guilty of getting sick. You didn't do anything wrong!

You families didn't do anything wrong! We don't know how to protect

ourselves from autoimmune disorders. WE DON'T KNOW HOW!

Alice (caretaker of RA sufferer)

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" Here's some aspirin, take it 'til your ears ring and maybe when your

hands start curling we'll give you some gold injections. "

Oh my gosh, Kate. Were you with my mother when she went to the

doctors in the 70's??? I still remember the -'til your ears ring

statement. In fact that statement is almost verbatim of what she was

told by her doctors. Several of them.

About the quack who is opining that RA patients have been molested.

This is also one of the 'new' reasonings behind fibromylagia. Did he

also suggest a copper bracelet to treat the RA by any chance?

There are a lot of reasons why someone ends up with RA. Genetic,

triggers, viruses, things not yet dreamed of. But this quack reminds

me of the psychic who keeps asking questions and making statements

until something he says is right. I see a woman with blonde hair, no

grey hair, her name started with a H, umm S??? Guess enough if you

are looking for a emotional cause, and you will find one. Does it

have anything to do with RA? Nope.

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> No offense to you or your doctor, but I think it's crap. > -----

I don't think I'd call anyone's theory a load of crap,

if that " theory " helps them to cope.

Of course, I'm not a PhD, I'm only a JD.

As was pointed out, we all search for answers.

It is my layman's experience and position

that the " not knowing "

the answer for some things

to be frustrating, even agonizing.

If one contemplates,

hypothozies,

theorizes and

comes to their own answer for " why "

and it brings them any relief and comfort

I would respect that, and

start exploring from there.

If it helps their pain and helps them to cope

I would be loathe to invalidate their " answer "

by throwing a load of excrement upon it.

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I have been told that I am making myself sick and that I am " too

young " to be in pain. This doctor refused to write me any rx's. (she

was filling in when my pcp was out). I was pissed. I never knew

pain had an age requirment or that I am doing this to myself. I have

been to many doctors who I refuse to see because of this way of

thinking.

> > >

> > > No offense to you or your doctor, but I think it's

> > crap. > -----

> >

> > I don't think I'd call anyone's theory a load of

> > crap,

> > if that " theory " helps them to cope.

> >

> > Of course, I'm not a PhD, I'm only a JD.

> >

> > As was pointed out, we all search for answers.

> > It is my layman's experience and position

> > that the " not knowing "

> > the answer for some things

> > to be frustrating, even agonizing.

> >

> > If one contemplates,

> > hypothozies,

> > theorizes and

> > comes to their own answer for " why "

> > and it brings them any relief and comfort

> > I would respect that, and

> > start exploring from there.

> >

> > If it helps their pain and helps them to cope

> > I would be loathe to invalidate their " answer "

> > by throwing a load of excrement upon it.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> So you are saying that we're guiltless when we get autoimmune

> disorders, but to blame when we get type 2 diabetes. (Type 1 diabetes

> is an autoimmune disease.)

>

Sue,

I may have not made my point clear: I don't blame the people with

diabetes, I blame the civilization. It's fast pace, it's lack of

concern for the health of the people, I blame agricultural methods,

our goals as a civilization (chicken on every table every day -

preferably fast food, steak every other day, sugar and salt in

everything including water... and strawberries with carrot genes...).

The individual copes the best he/she can.

I have a predisposition to thyroid disorder. One day I was making

plans for a long drive thru the state... In the store it took me hours

to find something to munch on while I was driving... Every snack had

soy in it (sweat, sour, salty - all had soy), I need to avoid soy if I

can. Not totally, but limit it... stressing my thyroid with my family

history is not wise (my mom and my sister suffered thyroid disorder, I

am the only woman standing)... It took me hours to find something

agreeable. And then it occurred to me - how many people have time to

search for hours?

It is not easy for anyone but with autoimmune, beyond the general

'avoid poisons', what can be done? My mom has Grave's. We lived in the

so called 'thyroid belt'. Meaning lots of people got thyroid

disorders. Our neighbor got a multinodular goiter that never went hot.

My mom got Grave's. Yes, the neighbor's case was difficult but

manageable... My mom's life was turned up side down... And my mom was

the one who had been aware of the existence of 'thyroid belt' and she

was trying to keep up a good diet and take care of her thyroid...

My point was, that some diseases can be prevented, not all

successfully but we can try. We don't know what to try with autoimmune.

Alice (caretaker of RA patient)

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Like the lady who stood by using the descriptive word " crap " , I stand

by my using the word " Quack " . I, too could have been a lot less

diplomatic in my wording. I've had a front seat to RA since the early

1970's, and have seen a lot of 'theories' on the cause and treatment

of RA. Most of it rubbish. Doctors are not Gods, I've seen too many

of them play to the hope of the sick, to find a cause or a cure. Just

do a internet search for RA " cures. Usually they were lining their

pockets, not curing anyone. It is naive to think all doctors have our

best interests at heart. But to have someone use their 'diploma' and

'expertise' to tell me that someone did something to me to cause this

is hogwash. I believe in Science, DNA, evolution, and a genetic basis

to RA. I also believe in the sciencific method, and clinic trials, I

would bet the 'doctor' with the molestation theory does not have any

research or trials to back up his statements.

--- In , Burdick <susanraeburdick@...>

wrote:

>

> , let's be careful about using the term " quack " . We are all

on a journey of discovery back to good health and hey if it works for

you, do it and God bless you on your way. There are as many roads to

healing as there are reasons for why we are victims of an insidious

disease.

> Suz

>

>

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