Re: Pain -Follow up after dose increase (w/response)

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I wondered if there was a Yahoo problem when I didn't get a reply in a

few days, but thought maybe you were just very busy. So... I'm feeling

better now and will start reducing again next week. Do you have any

suggestions regarding my adrenals? Test results etc. are in the 9/4

post below. Thanks.

**Hi ,

I don't think you're going to be very successful until you address the adrenal

issue and get a healthy foundation in place. Unless your body is working well

and is strong enough, it cannot do the work of withdrawal well.

I suggest you really look at where you can make more room in your budget for

supplements. I've met plenty of people who believe they can't afford something

but I've met very few who have taken the time to truly look at how they spend

every cent and can't manage to get anything more from the budget. I've found

when people make it a priority it tends to happen. The majority of the

conditions you report are from lack of proper nutritional levels in your body.

This includes all the digestive issues.

Regards,

>

> HI ,

>

> I'm sorry. I guess I inadvertently left out needed information in my

> attempt to keep emails form getting too long.

>

> The stomach pain is never there by itself. It always comes after and in

> addition to mid-upper back pain and upper chest pain.

> I was diagnosed with Fibromyalgia so maybe it's related to that. I have

> bilateral shoulder/upper arm pain (arthritis, bursitis, tendonitis, bone

> spurs). I have lower back pain (degenerative disc disease,

> spondylolysthesis at L5 S1, bulging disc, bone spurs and other stuff I

> can't remember). All of this is affected by how much and where I sit,

> and how much I lift/push/pull.

>

> Other diagnoses include hypothyroidism, chronic pelvic pain, lichen

> sclerosus, vulvar vestibulitis, interstitial cystitis, gluten and casein

> sensitivities. I'm a recovering alcoholic (22 years sober) and a sugar

> addict.

>

> Adrenal saliva test results in 2008 were 8:00am 12 (ref 13-24), Noon 8

> (5-10), 5:00pm 2 (3-8), Midnight 1 (1-4). DHEA, Estradiol, Progesterone

> and Free Testosterone were also tested. DHEA was borderline at 3, and

> Testosterone was borderline low at 7. I was taking naturethroid,

> antidepressant and benzo at time of testing and also using progesterone

> cream. I don't know in what way these throw off the test results.

>

> My doctor prescribed Cortef in 2008 for adrenals. I was not able to

> tolerate it -- caused insomnia, palpitations, chest pain. Then he

> prescribed dessicated adrenal which was OK for a while but as I lowered

> benzo dose I was no longer able to tolerate it due to anxiety, anger,

> hostility. Then dr prescribed black currant seed oil which didn't seem

> to have any affect other than maybe more anxiety so I stopped it.

> Currently, I am not taking anything to treat adrenals. The only meds I

> take are Naturethroid and Zoloft.

>

> My doctor closed his office in my area and I now have to drive 1.5 hours

> to Philadelphia to see him. I'm just too tired and nervous for that, so

> I'm trying to find a doctor that's closer and takes Medicare and that

> isn't going to do more harm than good. No an easy task! :-)

>

> What do you recommend as far as the zoloft goes. Should I start

> deceasing it again 5% at a time?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

> >

> > Hi & group,

> >

> > As you recommended on 8/23, I increased my Zoloft (twice) to the last

> > dose at which I felt well. Actually, I can't remember the last time I

> > felt " well " . I don't know if I ever felt well but it was at least more

> > than 20 years ago. So I increased to the last dose at which I felt as

> > good as it gets (June).

> >

> > The pain in my back, chest, stomach is improved but it seems to be

> > related more to how much I lift/push/pull than anything else. Overall,

> > I'm feeling worse since the increase -- more fatigue, less motivation,

> > more depression, more mental fog -- very difficult to function.

> >

> > I'm wondering if this isn't all related to my thyroid/adrenal problems.

> > I had to lower my NatureThroid several months ago because it was greatly

> > increasing my anxiety, sleeplessness, fear. My cortisol is low (as per

> > saliva test several years ago), but I was unable to tolerate the Cortef

> > or the dessicated adrenal my doctor prescribed.

> >

> > Maybe my adrenals should be checked again? I've been waiting until I'm

> > completely off the Zoloft so the test will be more accurate. What do

> > you think?

> >

> > Thanks for your help.

> >

> >

> >

> > ** , unless you give all the information initially, I'm going to

> > tell you what to do based upon what you tell me. Yes, it is most

> > likely your other problems causing the difficulty for you except for

> > the stomach issues. I seriously doubt it's about pushing, pulling,

> > etc. The " feeling worse " you report are normal feelings from

> > antidepressants. The symptoms I was looking to alleviate were the ones

> > you reported as problematic -- the stomach pain. That's a classic

> > symptom of someone who has dropped a drug too quickly or too much.

> >

> > If you have adrenal problems this should always be the 1st suspect in

> > almost any difficulties. You should also be constantly monitoring it

> > if you had difficulty stabilizing thyroid drugs. If you're not

> > satisfactorily stabilizing the thyroid drug, chances are the thyroid

> > is not truly a problem, it is just a symptom of the adrenal problem.

> > How are you addressing the adrenal problem?

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> >

> > .

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I wondered if there was a Yahoo problem when I didn't get a reply in a

few days, but thought maybe you were just very busy. So... I'm feeling

better now and will start reducing again next week. Do you have any

suggestions regarding my adrenals? Test results etc. are in the 9/4

post below. Thanks.

**Hi ,

I don't think you're going to be very successful until you address the adrenal

issue and get a healthy foundation in place. Unless your body is working well

and is strong enough, it cannot do the work of withdrawal well.

I suggest you really look at where you can make more room in your budget for

supplements. I've met plenty of people who believe they can't afford something

but I've met very few who have taken the time to truly look at how they spend

every cent and can't manage to get anything more from the budget. I've found

when people make it a priority it tends to happen. The majority of the

conditions you report are from lack of proper nutritional levels in your body.

This includes all the digestive issues.

Regards,

>

> HI ,

>

> I'm sorry. I guess I inadvertently left out needed information in my

> attempt to keep emails form getting too long.

>

> The stomach pain is never there by itself. It always comes after and in

> addition to mid-upper back pain and upper chest pain.

> I was diagnosed with Fibromyalgia so maybe it's related to that. I have

> bilateral shoulder/upper arm pain (arthritis, bursitis, tendonitis, bone

> spurs). I have lower back pain (degenerative disc disease,

> spondylolysthesis at L5 S1, bulging disc, bone spurs and other stuff I

> can't remember). All of this is affected by how much and where I sit,

> and how much I lift/push/pull.

>

> Other diagnoses include hypothyroidism, chronic pelvic pain, lichen

> sclerosus, vulvar vestibulitis, interstitial cystitis, gluten and casein

> sensitivities. I'm a recovering alcoholic (22 years sober) and a sugar

> addict.

>

> Adrenal saliva test results in 2008 were 8:00am 12 (ref 13-24), Noon 8

> (5-10), 5:00pm 2 (3-8), Midnight 1 (1-4). DHEA, Estradiol, Progesterone

> and Free Testosterone were also tested. DHEA was borderline at 3, and

> Testosterone was borderline low at 7. I was taking naturethroid,

> antidepressant and benzo at time of testing and also using progesterone

> cream. I don't know in what way these throw off the test results.

>

> My doctor prescribed Cortef in 2008 for adrenals. I was not able to

> tolerate it -- caused insomnia, palpitations, chest pain. Then he

> prescribed dessicated adrenal which was OK for a while but as I lowered

> benzo dose I was no longer able to tolerate it due to anxiety, anger,

> hostility. Then dr prescribed black currant seed oil which didn't seem

> to have any affect other than maybe more anxiety so I stopped it.

> Currently, I am not taking anything to treat adrenals. The only meds I

> take are Naturethroid and Zoloft.

>

> My doctor closed his office in my area and I now have to drive 1.5 hours

> to Philadelphia to see him. I'm just too tired and nervous for that, so

> I'm trying to find a doctor that's closer and takes Medicare and that

> isn't going to do more harm than good. No an easy task! :-)

>

> What do you recommend as far as the zoloft goes. Should I start

> deceasing it again 5% at a time?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

> >

> > Hi & group,

> >

> > As you recommended on 8/23, I increased my Zoloft (twice) to the last

> > dose at which I felt well. Actually, I can't remember the last time I

> > felt " well " . I don't know if I ever felt well but it was at least more

> > than 20 years ago. So I increased to the last dose at which I felt as

> > good as it gets (June).

> >

> > The pain in my back, chest, stomach is improved but it seems to be

> > related more to how much I lift/push/pull than anything else. Overall,

> > I'm feeling worse since the increase -- more fatigue, less motivation,

> > more depression, more mental fog -- very difficult to function.

> >

> > I'm wondering if this isn't all related to my thyroid/adrenal problems.

> > I had to lower my NatureThroid several months ago because it was greatly

> > increasing my anxiety, sleeplessness, fear. My cortisol is low (as per

> > saliva test several years ago), but I was unable to tolerate the Cortef

> > or the dessicated adrenal my doctor prescribed.

> >

> > Maybe my adrenals should be checked again? I've been waiting until I'm

> > completely off the Zoloft so the test will be more accurate. What do

> > you think?

> >

> > Thanks for your help.

> >

> >

> >

> > ** , unless you give all the information initially, I'm going to

> > tell you what to do based upon what you tell me. Yes, it is most

> > likely your other problems causing the difficulty for you except for

> > the stomach issues. I seriously doubt it's about pushing, pulling,

> > etc. The " feeling worse " you report are normal feelings from

> > antidepressants. The symptoms I was looking to alleviate were the ones

> > you reported as problematic -- the stomach pain. That's a classic

> > symptom of someone who has dropped a drug too quickly or too much.

> >

> > If you have adrenal problems this should always be the 1st suspect in

> > almost any difficulties. You should also be constantly monitoring it

> > if you had difficulty stabilizing thyroid drugs. If you're not

> > satisfactorily stabilizing the thyroid drug, chances are the thyroid

> > is not truly a problem, it is just a symptom of the adrenal problem.

> > How are you addressing the adrenal problem?

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> >

> > .

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thank you for your reply. How do you suggest I address the adrenal

issue and get a healthy foundation in place?

My current daily supplements are 1/2 tsp fermented cod liver oil, 9000

iu vit D, 250mg calcium citrate, 600mg chelated magnesium (200mg 3X),

99mg potassium, 200mcg chromium, 1000mg ester C, 1500mg glucosamine

sulfate (750mg 2X), 1200mg chrondoitin sulfate (600mg 2X).

I'm no longer having any stomach or chest pain.

>>

** Hi ,

I can't do justice to a case like this after a few short emails. I never

tackle something like this initially via email/group. So much more info is

necessary to correctly address things that the only way to do it properly is to

begin with a consultation. Some people do what I call " cookbook medicine " . This

is when they recommend the same protocol for everyone with an adrenal problem.

The results of this are poor. It's important to treat each case on its

individual symptoms.

I How did you end up on the supplements you're currently taking? Did you ever

see anyone or consult with anyone on the adrenal issue? Who diagnosed the

adrenal issue?

Regards,

>

> Hi ,

> I wondered if there was a Yahoo problem when I didn't get a reply in a

> few days, but thought maybe you were just very busy. So... I'm feeling

> better now and will start reducing again next week. Do you have any

> suggestions regarding my adrenals? Test results etc. are in the 9/4

> post below. Thanks.

>

>

> **Hi ,

>

> I don't think you're going to be very successful until you address the

> adrenal issue and get a healthy foundation in place. Unless your body

> is working well and is strong enough, it cannot do the work of

> withdrawal well.

>

> I suggest you really look at where you can make more room in your

> budget for supplements. I've met plenty of people who believe they

> can't afford something but I've met very few who have taken the time

> to truly look at how they spend every cent and can't manage to get

> anything more from the budget. I've found when people make it a

> priority it tends to happen. The majority of the conditions you report

> are from lack of proper nutritional levels in your body. This includes

> all the digestive issues.

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

>

> >

> > HI ,

> >

> > I'm sorry. I guess I inadvertently left out needed information in my

> > attempt to keep emails form getting too long.

> >

> > The stomach pain is never there by itself. It always comes after and in

> > addition to mid-upper back pain and upper chest pain.

> > I was diagnosed with Fibromyalgia so maybe it's related to that. I have

> > bilateral shoulder/upper arm pain (arthritis, bursitis, tendonitis, bone

> > spurs). I have lower back pain (degenerative disc disease,

> > spondylolysthesis at L5 S1, bulging disc, bone spurs and other stuff I

> > can't remember). All of this is affected by how much and where I sit,

> > and how much I lift/push/pull.

> >

> > Other diagnoses include hypothyroidism, chronic pelvic pain, lichen

> > sclerosus, vulvar vestibulitis, interstitial cystitis, gluten and casein

> > sensitivities. I'm a recovering alcoholic (22 years sober) and a sugar

> > addict.

> >

> > Adrenal saliva test results in 2008 were 8:00am 12 (ref 13-24), Noon 8

> > (5-10), 5:00pm 2 (3-8), Midnight 1 (1-4). DHEA, Estradiol, Progesterone

> > and Free Testosterone were also tested. DHEA was borderline at 3, and

> > Testosterone was borderline low at 7. I was taking naturethroid,

> > antidepressant and benzo at time of testing and also using progesterone

> > cream. I don't know in what way these throw off the test results.

> >

> > My doctor prescribed Cortef in 2008 for adrenals. I was not able to

> > tolerate it -- caused insomnia, palpitations, chest pain. Then he

> > prescribed dessicated adrenal which was OK for a while but as I lowered

> > benzo dose I was no longer able to tolerate it due to anxiety, anger,

> > hostility. Then dr prescribed black currant seed oil which didn't seem

> > to have any affect other than maybe more anxiety so I stopped it.

> > Currently, I am not taking anything to treat adrenals. The only meds I

> > take are Naturethroid and Zoloft.

> >

> > My doctor closed his office in my area and I now have to drive 1.5 hours

> > to Philadelphia to see him. I'm just too tired and nervous for that, so

> > I'm trying to find a doctor that's closer and takes Medicare and that

> > isn't going to do more harm than good. No an easy task! :-)

> >

> > What do you recommend as far as the zoloft goes. Should I start

> > deceasing it again 5% at a time?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Hi & group,

> > >

> > > As you recommended on 8/23, I increased my Zoloft (twice) to the last

> > > dose at which I felt well. Actually, I can't remember the last time I

> > > felt " well " . I don't know if I ever felt well but it was at least more

> > > than 20 years ago. So I increased to the last dose at which I felt as

> > > good as it gets (June).

> > >

> > > The pain in my back, chest, stomach is improved but it seems to be

> > > related more to how much I lift/push/pull than anything else. Overall,

> > > I'm feeling worse since the increase -- more fatigue, less motivation,

> > > more depression, more mental fog -- very difficult to function.

> > >

> > > I'm wondering if this isn't all related to my thyroid/adrenal

> problems.

> > > I had to lower my NatureThroid several months ago because it was

> greatly

> > > increasing my anxiety, sleeplessness, fear. My cortisol is low (as per

> > > saliva test several years ago), but I was unable to tolerate the

> Cortef

> > > or the dessicated adrenal my doctor prescribed.

> > >

> > > Maybe my adrenals should be checked again? I've been waiting until I'm

> > > completely off the Zoloft so the test will be more accurate. What do

> > > you think?

> > >

> > > Thanks for your help.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

writes:

<<Hi ,

I had a consultation with you on 8/29/07 at which time you recommended

some of the supplements I am currently taking. You were going to

continue consulting with me via email regarding adrenals etc. However,

I was emailing and getting no reply. I believe you may have been ill

and unable to respond for a very long time? I thought the group was

closed since there was no activity.>>

** Wow, that was a long time ago. Yes, I was hospitalized for almost 3 mos.

and then, at one point later, closed the group for 6 mos. due to feeling really

disappointed (enough on that).

In any case, that was a long time ago so anything you told me then is likely

different now. If you want to fill out the history form again I can answer your

questions. Sorry, but I really can't bring myself to respond on so little info.

Thanks --

writes:

My doctor recommended the cod liver oil, D, Glucos/Chondroitin.

As I stated in my 9/4/11 email below, my doctor diagnosed adrenal

problem. Saliva test results and treatments are also in that email. I

added ########## before both paragraphs to make it easier to find.

Thanks,

>

> Hi ,

>

> Thank you for your reply. How do you suggest I address the adrenal

> issue and get a healthy foundation in place?

>

> My current daily supplements are 1/2 tsp fermented cod liver oil, 9000

> iu vit D, 250mg calcium citrate, 600mg chelated magnesium (200mg 3X),

> 99mg potassium, 200mcg chromium, 1000mg ester C, 1500mg glucosamine

> sulfate (750mg 2X), 1200mg chrondoitin sulfate (600mg 2X).

>

> I'm no longer having any stomach or chest pain.

>

> >>

>

> ** Hi ,

>

> I can't do justice to a case like this after a few short emails. I

> never tackle something like this initially via email/group. So much

> more info is necessary to correctly address things that the only way

> to do it properly is to begin with a consultation. Some people do what

> I call " cookbook medicine " . This is when they recommend the same

> protocol for everyone with an adrenal problem. The results of this are

> poor. It's important to treat each case on its individual symptoms.

>

> I How did you end up on the supplements you're currently taking? Did

> you ever see anyone or consult with anyone on the adrenal issue? Who

> diagnosed the adrenal issue?

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

> >

> > Hi ,

> > I wondered if there was a Yahoo problem when I didn't get a reply in a

> > few days, but thought maybe you were just very busy. So... I'm feeling

> > better now and will start reducing again next week. Do you have any

> > suggestions regarding my adrenals? Test results etc. are in the 9/4

> > post below. Thanks.

> >

> >

> > **Hi ,

> >

> > I don't think you're going to be very successful until you address the

> > adrenal issue and get a healthy foundation in place. Unless your body

> > is working well and is strong enough, it cannot do the work of

> > withdrawal well.

> >

> > I suggest you really look at where you can make more room in your

> > budget for supplements. I've met plenty of people who believe they

> > can't afford something but I've met very few who have taken the time

> > to truly look at how they spend every cent and can't manage to get

> > anything more from the budget. I've found when people make it a

> > priority it tends to happen. The majority of the conditions you report

> > are from lack of proper nutritional levels in your body. This includes

> > all the digestive issues.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> >

> > On*9/4/201*1 3:58 PM, Wells wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > HI ,

> > >

> > > I'm sorry. I guess I inadvertently left out needed information in my

> > > attempt to keep emails form getting too long.

> > >

> > > The stomach pain is never there by itself. It always comes after

> and in

> > > addition to mid-upper back pain and upper chest pain.

> > > I was diagnosed with Fibromyalgia so maybe it's related to that. I

> have

> > > bilateral shoulder/upper arm pain (arthritis, bursitis,

> tendonitis, bone

> > > spurs). I have lower back pain (degenerative disc disease,

> > > spondylolysthesis at L5 S1, bulging disc, bone spurs and other stuff I

> > > can't remember). All of this is affected by how much and where I sit,

> > > and how much I lift/push/pull.

> > >

> > > Other diagnoses include hypothyroidism, chronic pelvic pain, lichen

> > > sclerosus, vulvar vestibulitis, interstitial cystitis, gluten and

> casein

> > > sensitivities. I'm a recovering alcoholic (22 years sober) and a sugar

> > > addict.

> > >

> ############> > *Adrenal saliva test results in 2008 were 8:00am 12

> (ref 13-24), Noon 8

> > > (5-10), 5:00pm 2 (3-8), Midnight 1 (1-4). DHEA, Estradiol,

> Progesterone

> > > and Free Testosterone were also tested. DHEA was borderline at 3, and

> > > Testosterone was borderline low at 7. I was taking naturethroid,

> > > antidepressant and benzo at time of testing and also using

> progesterone

> > > cream. I don't know in what way these throw off the test results.*

> > >*

> ###########> > My doctor prescribed Cortef in 2008 for adrenals. I was

> not able to

> > > tolerate it -- caused insomnia, palpitations, chest pain. Then he

> > > prescribed dessicated adrenal which was OK for a while but as I

> lowered

> > > benzo dose I was no longer able to tolerate it due to anxiety, anger,

> > > hostility. Then dr prescribed black currant seed oil which didn't seem

> > > to have any affect other than maybe more anxiety so I stopped it.

> > > Currently, I am not taking anything to treat adrenals*. The only

> meds I

> > > take are Naturethroid and Zoloft.

> > >

> > > My doctor closed his office in my area and I now have to drive 1.5

> hours

> > > to Philadelphia to see him. I'm just too tired and nervous for

> that, so

> > > I'm trying to find a doctor that's closer and takes Medicare and that

> > > isn't going to do more harm than good. No an easy task! :-)

> > >

> > > What do you recommend as far as the zoloft goes. Should I start

> > > deceasing it again 5% at a time?

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi & group,

> > > >

> > > > As you recommended on 8/23, I increased my Zoloft (twice) to the

> last

> > > > dose at which I felt well. Actually, I can't remember the last

> time I

> > > > felt " well " . I don't know if I ever felt well but it was at

> least more

> > > > than 20 years ago. So I increased to the last dose at which I

> felt as

> > > > good as it gets (June).

> > > >

> > > > The pain in my back, chest, stomach is improved but it seems to be

> > > > related more to how much I lift/push/pull than anything else.

> Overall,

> > > > I'm feeling worse since the increase -- more fatigue, less

> motivation,

> > > > more depression, more mental fog -- very difficult to function.

> > > >

> > > > I'm wondering if this isn't all related to my thyroid/adrenal

> > problems.

> > > > I had to lower my NatureThroid several months ago because it was

> > greatly

> > > > increasing my anxiety, sleeplessness, fear. My cortisol is low

> (as per

> > > > saliva test several years ago), but I was unable to tolerate the

> > Cortef

> > > > or the dessicated adrenal my doctor prescribed.

> > > >

> > > > Maybe my adrenals should be checked again? I've been waiting

> until I'm

> > > > completely off the Zoloft so the test will be more accurate. What do

> > > > you think?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for your help.

> > > >

> > > >

>

>

[Guest guest]

writes:

<<Hi ,

I had a consultation with you on 8/29/07 at which time you recommended

some of the supplements I am currently taking. You were going to

continue consulting with me via email regarding adrenals etc. However,

I was emailing and getting no reply. I believe you may have been ill

and unable to respond for a very long time? I thought the group was

closed since there was no activity.>>

** Wow, that was a long time ago. Yes, I was hospitalized for almost 3 mos.

and then, at one point later, closed the group for 6 mos. due to feeling really

disappointed (enough on that).

In any case, that was a long time ago so anything you told me then is likely

different now. If you want to fill out the history form again I can answer your

questions. Sorry, but I really can't bring myself to respond on so little info.

Thanks --

writes:

My doctor recommended the cod liver oil, D, Glucos/Chondroitin.

As I stated in my 9/4/11 email below, my doctor diagnosed adrenal

problem. Saliva test results and treatments are also in that email. I

added ########## before both paragraphs to make it easier to find.

Thanks,

>

> Hi ,

>

> Thank you for your reply. How do you suggest I address the adrenal

> issue and get a healthy foundation in place?

>

> My current daily supplements are 1/2 tsp fermented cod liver oil, 9000

> iu vit D, 250mg calcium citrate, 600mg chelated magnesium (200mg 3X),

> 99mg potassium, 200mcg chromium, 1000mg ester C, 1500mg glucosamine

> sulfate (750mg 2X), 1200mg chrondoitin sulfate (600mg 2X).

>

> I'm no longer having any stomach or chest pain.

>

> >>

>

> ** Hi ,

>

> I can't do justice to a case like this after a few short emails. I

> never tackle something like this initially via email/group. So much

> more info is necessary to correctly address things that the only way

> to do it properly is to begin with a consultation. Some people do what

> I call " cookbook medicine " . This is when they recommend the same

> protocol for everyone with an adrenal problem. The results of this are

> poor. It's important to treat each case on its individual symptoms.

>

> I How did you end up on the supplements you're currently taking? Did

> you ever see anyone or consult with anyone on the adrenal issue? Who

> diagnosed the adrenal issue?

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

> >

> > Hi ,

> > I wondered if there was a Yahoo problem when I didn't get a reply in a

> > few days, but thought maybe you were just very busy. So... I'm feeling

> > better now and will start reducing again next week. Do you have any

> > suggestions regarding my adrenals? Test results etc. are in the 9/4

> > post below. Thanks.

> >

> >

> > **Hi ,

> >

> > I don't think you're going to be very successful until you address the

> > adrenal issue and get a healthy foundation in place. Unless your body

> > is working well and is strong enough, it cannot do the work of

> > withdrawal well.

> >

> > I suggest you really look at where you can make more room in your

> > budget for supplements. I've met plenty of people who believe they

> > can't afford something but I've met very few who have taken the time

> > to truly look at how they spend every cent and can't manage to get

> > anything more from the budget. I've found when people make it a

> > priority it tends to happen. The majority of the conditions you report

> > are from lack of proper nutritional levels in your body. This includes

> > all the digestive issues.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> >

> > On*9/4/201*1 3:58 PM, Wells wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > HI ,

> > >

> > > I'm sorry. I guess I inadvertently left out needed information in my

> > > attempt to keep emails form getting too long.

> > >

> > > The stomach pain is never there by itself. It always comes after

> and in

> > > addition to mid-upper back pain and upper chest pain.

> > > I was diagnosed with Fibromyalgia so maybe it's related to that. I

> have

> > > bilateral shoulder/upper arm pain (arthritis, bursitis,

> tendonitis, bone

> > > spurs). I have lower back pain (degenerative disc disease,

> > > spondylolysthesis at L5 S1, bulging disc, bone spurs and other stuff I

> > > can't remember). All of this is affected by how much and where I sit,

> > > and how much I lift/push/pull.

> > >

> > > Other diagnoses include hypothyroidism, chronic pelvic pain, lichen

> > > sclerosus, vulvar vestibulitis, interstitial cystitis, gluten and

> casein

> > > sensitivities. I'm a recovering alcoholic (22 years sober) and a sugar

> > > addict.

> > >

> ############> > *Adrenal saliva test results in 2008 were 8:00am 12

> (ref 13-24), Noon 8

> > > (5-10), 5:00pm 2 (3-8), Midnight 1 (1-4). DHEA, Estradiol,

> Progesterone

> > > and Free Testosterone were also tested. DHEA was borderline at 3, and

> > > Testosterone was borderline low at 7. I was taking naturethroid,

> > > antidepressant and benzo at time of testing and also using

> progesterone

> > > cream. I don't know in what way these throw off the test results.*

> > >*

> ###########> > My doctor prescribed Cortef in 2008 for adrenals. I was

> not able to

> > > tolerate it -- caused insomnia, palpitations, chest pain. Then he

> > > prescribed dessicated adrenal which was OK for a while but as I

> lowered

> > > benzo dose I was no longer able to tolerate it due to anxiety, anger,

> > > hostility. Then dr prescribed black currant seed oil which didn't seem

> > > to have any affect other than maybe more anxiety so I stopped it.

> > > Currently, I am not taking anything to treat adrenals*. The only

> meds I

> > > take are Naturethroid and Zoloft.

> > >

> > > My doctor closed his office in my area and I now have to drive 1.5

> hours

> > > to Philadelphia to see him. I'm just too tired and nervous for

> that, so

> > > I'm trying to find a doctor that's closer and takes Medicare and that

> > > isn't going to do more harm than good. No an easy task! :-)

> > >

> > > What do you recommend as far as the zoloft goes. Should I start

> > > deceasing it again 5% at a time?

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi & group,

> > > >

> > > > As you recommended on 8/23, I increased my Zoloft (twice) to the

> last

> > > > dose at which I felt well. Actually, I can't remember the last

> time I

> > > > felt " well " . I don't know if I ever felt well but it was at

> least more

> > > > than 20 years ago. So I increased to the last dose at which I

> felt as

> > > > good as it gets (June).

> > > >

> > > > The pain in my back, chest, stomach is improved but it seems to be

> > > > related more to how much I lift/push/pull than anything else.

> Overall,

> > > > I'm feeling worse since the increase -- more fatigue, less

> motivation,

> > > > more depression, more mental fog -- very difficult to function.

> > > >

> > > > I'm wondering if this isn't all related to my thyroid/adrenal

> > problems.

> > > > I had to lower my NatureThroid several months ago because it was

> > greatly

> > > > increasing my anxiety, sleeplessness, fear. My cortisol is low

> (as per

> > > > saliva test several years ago), but I was unable to tolerate the

> > Cortef

> > > > or the dessicated adrenal my doctor prescribed.

> > > >

> > > > Maybe my adrenals should be checked again? I've been waiting

> until I'm

> > > > completely off the Zoloft so the test will be more accurate. What do

> > > > you think?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for your help.

> > > >

> > > >

>

>

[Guest guest]

writes:

<<Hi ,

I had a consultation with you on 8/29/07 at which time you recommended

some of the supplements I am currently taking. You were going to

continue consulting with me via email regarding adrenals etc. However,

I was emailing and getting no reply. I believe you may have been ill

and unable to respond for a very long time? I thought the group was

closed since there was no activity.>>

** Wow, that was a long time ago. Yes, I was hospitalized for almost 3 mos.

and then, at one point later, closed the group for 6 mos. due to feeling really

disappointed (enough on that).

In any case, that was a long time ago so anything you told me then is likely

different now. If you want to fill out the history form again I can answer your

questions. Sorry, but I really can't bring myself to respond on so little info.

Thanks --

writes:

My doctor recommended the cod liver oil, D, Glucos/Chondroitin.

As I stated in my 9/4/11 email below, my doctor diagnosed adrenal

problem. Saliva test results and treatments are also in that email. I

added ########## before both paragraphs to make it easier to find.

Thanks,

>

> Hi ,

>

> Thank you for your reply. How do you suggest I address the adrenal

> issue and get a healthy foundation in place?

>

> My current daily supplements are 1/2 tsp fermented cod liver oil, 9000

> iu vit D, 250mg calcium citrate, 600mg chelated magnesium (200mg 3X),

> 99mg potassium, 200mcg chromium, 1000mg ester C, 1500mg glucosamine

> sulfate (750mg 2X), 1200mg chrondoitin sulfate (600mg 2X).

>

> I'm no longer having any stomach or chest pain.

>

> >>

>

> ** Hi ,

>

> I can't do justice to a case like this after a few short emails. I

> never tackle something like this initially via email/group. So much

> more info is necessary to correctly address things that the only way

> to do it properly is to begin with a consultation. Some people do what

> I call " cookbook medicine " . This is when they recommend the same

> protocol for everyone with an adrenal problem. The results of this are

> poor. It's important to treat each case on its individual symptoms.

>

> I How did you end up on the supplements you're currently taking? Did

> you ever see anyone or consult with anyone on the adrenal issue? Who

> diagnosed the adrenal issue?

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

> >

> > Hi ,

> > I wondered if there was a Yahoo problem when I didn't get a reply in a

> > few days, but thought maybe you were just very busy. So... I'm feeling

> > better now and will start reducing again next week. Do you have any

> > suggestions regarding my adrenals? Test results etc. are in the 9/4

> > post below. Thanks.

> >

> >

> > **Hi ,

> >

> > I don't think you're going to be very successful until you address the

> > adrenal issue and get a healthy foundation in place. Unless your body

> > is working well and is strong enough, it cannot do the work of

> > withdrawal well.

> >

> > I suggest you really look at where you can make more room in your

> > budget for supplements. I've met plenty of people who believe they

> > can't afford something but I've met very few who have taken the time

> > to truly look at how they spend every cent and can't manage to get

> > anything more from the budget. I've found when people make it a

> > priority it tends to happen. The majority of the conditions you report

> > are from lack of proper nutritional levels in your body. This includes

> > all the digestive issues.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> >

> > On*9/4/201*1 3:58 PM, Wells wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > HI ,

> > >

> > > I'm sorry. I guess I inadvertently left out needed information in my

> > > attempt to keep emails form getting too long.

> > >

> > > The stomach pain is never there by itself. It always comes after

> and in

> > > addition to mid-upper back pain and upper chest pain.

> > > I was diagnosed with Fibromyalgia so maybe it's related to that. I

> have

> > > bilateral shoulder/upper arm pain (arthritis, bursitis,

> tendonitis, bone

> > > spurs). I have lower back pain (degenerative disc disease,

> > > spondylolysthesis at L5 S1, bulging disc, bone spurs and other stuff I

> > > can't remember). All of this is affected by how much and where I sit,

> > > and how much I lift/push/pull.

> > >

> > > Other diagnoses include hypothyroidism, chronic pelvic pain, lichen

> > > sclerosus, vulvar vestibulitis, interstitial cystitis, gluten and

> casein

> > > sensitivities. I'm a recovering alcoholic (22 years sober) and a sugar

> > > addict.

> > >

> ############> > *Adrenal saliva test results in 2008 were 8:00am 12

> (ref 13-24), Noon 8

> > > (5-10), 5:00pm 2 (3-8), Midnight 1 (1-4). DHEA, Estradiol,

> Progesterone

> > > and Free Testosterone were also tested. DHEA was borderline at 3, and

> > > Testosterone was borderline low at 7. I was taking naturethroid,

> > > antidepressant and benzo at time of testing and also using

> progesterone

> > > cream. I don't know in what way these throw off the test results.*

> > >*

> ###########> > My doctor prescribed Cortef in 2008 for adrenals. I was

> not able to

> > > tolerate it -- caused insomnia, palpitations, chest pain. Then he

> > > prescribed dessicated adrenal which was OK for a while but as I

> lowered

> > > benzo dose I was no longer able to tolerate it due to anxiety, anger,

> > > hostility. Then dr prescribed black currant seed oil which didn't seem

> > > to have any affect other than maybe more anxiety so I stopped it.

> > > Currently, I am not taking anything to treat adrenals*. The only

> meds I

> > > take are Naturethroid and Zoloft.

> > >

> > > My doctor closed his office in my area and I now have to drive 1.5

> hours

> > > to Philadelphia to see him. I'm just too tired and nervous for

> that, so

> > > I'm trying to find a doctor that's closer and takes Medicare and that

> > > isn't going to do more harm than good. No an easy task! :-)

> > >

> > > What do you recommend as far as the zoloft goes. Should I start

> > > deceasing it again 5% at a time?

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi & group,

> > > >

> > > > As you recommended on 8/23, I increased my Zoloft (twice) to the

> last

> > > > dose at which I felt well. Actually, I can't remember the last

> time I

> > > > felt " well " . I don't know if I ever felt well but it was at

> least more

> > > > than 20 years ago. So I increased to the last dose at which I

> felt as

> > > > good as it gets (June).

> > > >

> > > > The pain in my back, chest, stomach is improved but it seems to be

> > > > related more to how much I lift/push/pull than anything else.

> Overall,

> > > > I'm feeling worse since the increase -- more fatigue, less

> motivation,

> > > > more depression, more mental fog -- very difficult to function.

> > > >

> > > > I'm wondering if this isn't all related to my thyroid/adrenal

> > problems.

> > > > I had to lower my NatureThroid several months ago because it was

> > greatly

> > > > increasing my anxiety, sleeplessness, fear. My cortisol is low

> (as per

> > > > saliva test several years ago), but I was unable to tolerate the

> > Cortef

> > > > or the dessicated adrenal my doctor prescribed.

> > > >

> > > > Maybe my adrenals should be checked again? I've been waiting

> until I'm

> > > > completely off the Zoloft so the test will be more accurate. What do

> > > > you think?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for your help.

> > > >

> > > >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, . I'll fill out the history form and get it to you as

soon as I can.

>

> writes:

>

> <<Hi ,

>

> I had a consultation with you on 8/29/07 at which time you recommended

> some of the supplements I am currently taking. You were going to

> continue consulting with me via email regarding adrenals etc. However,

> I was emailing and getting no reply. I believe you may have been ill

> and unable to respond for a very long time? I thought the group was

> closed since there was no activity.>>

>

> ** Wow, that was a long time ago. Yes, I was hospitalized for almost 3

> mos. and then, at one point later, closed the group for 6 mos. due to

> feeling really disappointed (enough on that).

>

> In any case, that was a long time ago so anything you told me then is

> likely different now. If you want to fill out the history form again I

> can answer your questions. Sorry, but I really can't bring myself to

> respond on so little info. Thanks --

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, . I'll fill out the history form and get it to you as

soon as I can.

>

> writes:

>

> <<Hi ,

>

> I had a consultation with you on 8/29/07 at which time you recommended

> some of the supplements I am currently taking. You were going to

> continue consulting with me via email regarding adrenals etc. However,

> I was emailing and getting no reply. I believe you may have been ill

> and unable to respond for a very long time? I thought the group was

> closed since there was no activity.>>

>

> ** Wow, that was a long time ago. Yes, I was hospitalized for almost 3

> mos. and then, at one point later, closed the group for 6 mos. due to

> feeling really disappointed (enough on that).

>

> In any case, that was a long time ago so anything you told me then is

> likely different now. If you want to fill out the history form again I

> can answer your questions. Sorry, but I really can't bring myself to

> respond on so little info. Thanks --

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, . I'll fill out the history form and get it to you as

soon as I can.

>

> writes:

>

> <<Hi ,

>

> I had a consultation with you on 8/29/07 at which time you recommended

> some of the supplements I am currently taking. You were going to

> continue consulting with me via email regarding adrenals etc. However,

> I was emailing and getting no reply. I believe you may have been ill

> and unable to respond for a very long time? I thought the group was

> closed since there was no activity.>>

>

> ** Wow, that was a long time ago. Yes, I was hospitalized for almost 3

> mos. and then, at one point later, closed the group for 6 mos. due to

> feeling really disappointed (enough on that).

>

> In any case, that was a long time ago so anything you told me then is

> likely different now. If you want to fill out the history form again I

> can answer your questions. Sorry, but I really can't bring myself to

> respond on so little info. Thanks --

>