klonopin withdrawal (w/response)

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le Carmichael writes:

<<Hi everyone!

I am new to this site and have already started my klonopin taper.  I have been

on klonopin since 2000, and up until 2010, the doctors I went to see about my

increasing anxiety and depression kept increasing my klonopin dose.  Since late

2011, I have been tapering.  I was at 6mg of klonopin last February, and as of

March 12th, 2012, I am down to 2.5mg.  So far it has been a good taper with few

problems! (knock on wood.)

I have read up a lot on Ashton's taper method, and know I could

substitute taper to valium or just continue to cut directly from the klonopin. 

I know I am still on a relatively high dose.  But, other people I have talked to

have said to increase my taper rate.  So far, I have been going down by .125mg

dry cutting since the end of January.  I know as the dose gets lower, the

percentage of cuts is larger.

So, my question is, should I increase my taper cut to 10% every 2 weeks by

titrating the dose in whole milk or do a cross over to valium at some point? 

I know so many people who get below 1mg had have to space out the cuts more and

decrease the percentage they are cutting.

Anyone in a similar situation who has been on klonopin for 10 years, and what

worked for you?

Also, have most of you been able to continue working through your tapers or not?

Any suggestions are welcome.

Here is my taper so far this year

Jan 28/12 2.875mg, Feb 11/12, 2.75mg, Feb 24th/12 2.625mg, March 9th/12,

2.5mg.>>

** Hi le,

In most cases " fixing " something that isn't " broken " is a bad idea. If I

were you, all I would do is stop using the calendar to tell me when to do

another decrease. Instead, I'd pay attention to how I felt. I wouldn't do

another decrease until I felt as well or better than I felt prior to that

decrease. As I tell everyone, you can't make a mistake this way. Your body will

not lie to you.

Where did you get the idea that the percentages needed to increase the lower

you got? I strongly recommend remaining at the same or smaller reductions.

When it comes to switching over to Valium, this is not without it's

difficulties. Some people can manage without doing this. How will you know?

You'll reach a point that nothing you do helps to smooth things out except

repeated increases in mg. Then, switching to Valium is the way to go.

So, as it stands, you seem to be doing well. Putting any stock in another's

experience is not useful to people. Everyone has a different biochemistry and

different experiences (cumulative) with drugs. What is perfect for one with

this drug could put you in the hospital. Instead, we watch for signs of how

your body is responding and use this to guide us.

Regards,

Regards,

[Guest guest]

Hi le,Welcome to the group.A phrase that always helped me when I was withdrawing was to remember that withdrawal and recovery are not a linear process. Once I had ingrained this into my brain, I found an acceptance. said : 'Your body will not lie to you.' this is so true. Trust your body and what it tells you, it will give you the feedback you need.

le Carmichael writes:

<<Hi everyone!

I am new to this site and have already started my klonopin taper. I have been on klonopin since 2000, and up until 2010, the doctors I went to see about my increasing anxiety and depression kept increasing my klonopin dose. Since late 2011, I have been tapering. I was at 6mg of klonopin last February, and as of March 12th, 2012, I am down to 2.5mg. So far it has been a good taper with few problems! (knock on wood.)

I have read up a lot on Ashton's taper method, and know I could substitute taper to valium or just continue to cut directly from the klonopin. I know I am still on a relatively high dose. But, other people I have talked to have said to increase my taper rate. So far, I have been going down by .125mg dry cutting since the end of January. I know as the dose gets lower, the percentage of cuts is larger.

So, my question is, should I increase my taper cut to 10% every 2 weeks by titrating the dose in whole milk or do a cross over to valium at some point?

I know so many people who get below 1mg had have to space out the cuts more and decrease the percentage they are cutting.

Anyone in a similar situation who has been on klonopin for 10 years, and what worked for you?

Also, have most of you been able to continue working through your tapers or not?

Any suggestions are welcome.

Here is my taper so far this year

Jan 28/12 2.875mg, Feb 11/12, 2.75mg, Feb 24th/12 2.625mg, March 9th/12, 2.5mg.>>

** Hi le,

In most cases "fixing" something that isn't "broken" is a bad idea. If I were you, all I would do is stop using the calendar to tell me when to do another decrease. Instead, I'd pay attention to how I felt. I wouldn't do another decrease until I felt as well or better than I felt prior to that decrease. As I tell everyone, you can't make a mistake this way. Your body will not lie to you.

Where did you get the idea that the percentages needed to increase the lower you got? I strongly recommend remaining at the same or smaller reductions.

When it comes to switching over to Valium, this is not without it's difficulties. Some people can manage without doing this. How will you know? You'll reach a point that nothing you do helps to smooth things out except repeated increases in mg. Then, switching to Valium is the way to go.

So, as it stands, you seem to be doing well. Putting any stock in another's experience is not useful to people. Everyone has a different biochemistry and different experiences (cumulative) with drugs. What is perfect for one with this drug could put you in the hospital. Instead, we watch for signs of how your body is responding and use this to guide us.

Regards,

Regards,

[Guest guest]

Hi le,Welcome to the group.A phrase that always helped me when I was withdrawing was to remember that withdrawal and recovery are not a linear process. Once I had ingrained this into my brain, I found an acceptance. said : 'Your body will not lie to you.' this is so true. Trust your body and what it tells you, it will give you the feedback you need.

le Carmichael writes:

<<Hi everyone!

I am new to this site and have already started my klonopin taper. I have been on klonopin since 2000, and up until 2010, the doctors I went to see about my increasing anxiety and depression kept increasing my klonopin dose. Since late 2011, I have been tapering. I was at 6mg of klonopin last February, and as of March 12th, 2012, I am down to 2.5mg. So far it has been a good taper with few problems! (knock on wood.)

I have read up a lot on Ashton's taper method, and know I could substitute taper to valium or just continue to cut directly from the klonopin. I know I am still on a relatively high dose. But, other people I have talked to have said to increase my taper rate. So far, I have been going down by .125mg dry cutting since the end of January. I know as the dose gets lower, the percentage of cuts is larger.

So, my question is, should I increase my taper cut to 10% every 2 weeks by titrating the dose in whole milk or do a cross over to valium at some point?

I know so many people who get below 1mg had have to space out the cuts more and decrease the percentage they are cutting.

Anyone in a similar situation who has been on klonopin for 10 years, and what worked for you?

Also, have most of you been able to continue working through your tapers or not?

Any suggestions are welcome.

Here is my taper so far this year

Jan 28/12 2.875mg, Feb 11/12, 2.75mg, Feb 24th/12 2.625mg, March 9th/12, 2.5mg.>>

** Hi le,

In most cases "fixing" something that isn't "broken" is a bad idea. If I were you, all I would do is stop using the calendar to tell me when to do another decrease. Instead, I'd pay attention to how I felt. I wouldn't do another decrease until I felt as well or better than I felt prior to that decrease. As I tell everyone, you can't make a mistake this way. Your body will not lie to you.

Where did you get the idea that the percentages needed to increase the lower you got? I strongly recommend remaining at the same or smaller reductions.

When it comes to switching over to Valium, this is not without it's difficulties. Some people can manage without doing this. How will you know? You'll reach a point that nothing you do helps to smooth things out except repeated increases in mg. Then, switching to Valium is the way to go.

So, as it stands, you seem to be doing well. Putting any stock in another's experience is not useful to people. Everyone has a different biochemistry and different experiences (cumulative) with drugs. What is perfect for one with this drug could put you in the hospital. Instead, we watch for signs of how your body is responding and use this to guide us.

Regards,

Regards,

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much for your reply. I know I am new here, and will need to read up on things.Subject: Re: klonopin withdrawal (w/response)To: Withdrawal_and_Recovery Received: Monday, March 12, 2012, 10:45 PM

le Carmichael writes:

<<Oka, I got the idea about percentages and titrating klonopin in water or milk from Ashton and benzo buddies. The former is an online support site for people coming off benzos. Realistically, I will not be able to continue to dry cut taper because as of right now, you cannot accurately cut .125mg because the smallest dose the klonopin comes in is .5 mg and it only has a line to cut it in half. >>

** I'm quite aware of all this. At what point did I say not to do a liquid titration? You'll find instructions for doing this in our files.

You said:

<<Thus, so far, my .125mg is not accurate. Secondly, like you said, as I get lower in the klonopin dose, I will have to space out my cuts more. If you titrate, it allows for a smoother taper. Ashton even says so in her detailed manual. >>

** Again, I cannot see where I told you not to do a liquid titration.

You said:

<<The reason people use whole milk, is because the klonopin binds to the whole milk. Using water to titrate, does not equally suspend the dose. >>

** Perhaps you could take some time to look around here. You'll become familiar with our philosophy and ways we do things.

You said:

<<I will have to titrate the dose at some point, because dry cutting like I said is not accurate. Most people I have talked to on benzobuddies who try to dry cut, can't do it the lower they get, but find it only works through titration.

Just curious why is yogurt and cheese oka, but not milk?>>

Thanks so much for your response!

le

['s response]

** Yogurt and cheese are fermented products. Fermented dairy has a different (healthier) nutritional composition. Using whole milk to take or titrate a drug is fine if done in moderation (2 oz. per med dose). But 2 cups a day is overdoing it. The problem with milk is the homogenizing of it. Here's some info on this:

http://www.livestrong.com/article/539230-the-dangers-of-pasteurized-homogenized-milk/

Regards,