Guest guest Posted May 6, 2002 Report Share Posted May 6, 2002 -Gillian, I'll leave it to a more science minded person to explain the actual chemical differences. However, as " just a mom " I will tell you that we tried Kirkman's first(Complete with DPIV I believe it was called) and saw little improvement(we never tried food challenges with it.) Then I did more investigating...discovered Houston's and read all the success stories so we tried Peptizide and Zyme Prime. Now, you would think since we had already been on enzymes we wouldn't have gotten withdrawl but boy did we! It was well worth it though because it was followed by too many improvements to list(I have stories in the success files.)My daughter is no longer on a gfcf diet and eats whatever she wants. This is our own personal experience-we love Houston's enzymes. - - In @y..., " Gig Moon " <gmoon@g...> wrote: > I'm new to the enzymes world and have not even begun with them yet (though we have ordered them from Houston). My question - I was looking through the Kirkman's catalogue and saw that they have a number of enzyme products too, including a super DPP IV one. What is the difference between what Kirkman's have produced and what Houston has produced? Is one better than the other, in the experience of parents? It's just that they looked so similar to me........ > Thanks! > Gillian. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2002 Report Share Posted May 6, 2002 Hi Gillian, All enzymes are used from people in this group but the biggest success have been from Houston's. We've tried both and saw no results from Kirkman's. We just recently started the Houston's and are now seeing some awesome results. Hope this helps, Darlene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2002 Report Share Posted May 6, 2002 >>>My question - I was looking through the Kirkman's catalogue and saw that they have a number of enzyme products too, including a super DPP IV one. The Forte is just DPP IV in a capsule. It has the same potency more or less as Peptizyde, but the Peptizyde also includes two other proteases which make the DPP IV " effective " . DPP IV works to break bonds inside a casein peptide chain. It does this very, very well. Dr. Houston was the person who discovered this DPP IV activity in the first place (isn't that interesting). SerenAid also contains some DPP IV activity but about 50% less than Peptizyde. But DPP IV does not break the bonds on the ends of the casein peptide chains. You need some other protease to do that. This MAY occur in the gut. OR it can come from the product. Peptizyde contains this, Forte does not. The EnzymAid Complete does contain DPP IV plus the other proteases. However, it also contains many, many more enzymes too. So this means that to get the same amount of DPP IV for casein control you need to take 3 capsules of Complete compared to 1 capsule of Peptizyde. You do get the other enzymes though. But you can also add one more capsule of Zyme Prime (or something like it) for the other enzymes. Complete is more expensive per capsule which may or may not make a difference in the long run. There are a number of situations were giving the proteases separetly may be more beneficial. I outlined those in the last newsletter and will copy them to you personally, so as not to repeat them here. The HNI ones were the big " breakthrough " that jump-started all the enzymes and autism success. My family does much better on the Houston ones. If your family has particular sensitivities that may make one formulation preferable over another one. You can post those sensitivities is you like. Peptizyde is the only product that has consistently allowed people to leave a GFCF diet, should they want to. There are other brands for certain situations too, so you are not just limited to those two brands. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2002 Report Share Posted May 6, 2002 Thanks so much for all the information on comparing enzyme types and brands! Gillian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 I am assuming you are using a Doc Band from Cranial Tech, is that right? The band is also 3000.00 in the US. You are paying for the casting,, pictures, molding, making of a custom fitted band,all visits for adjustments, and then a possible exit casting,exit pictures and exit headmold. Does that help? CAROLG > > i am from Venezuela. i had to flight to put helmet to my child. I > would to know why the band is to expensive? 3000 dolars or more in > Spain. The material is not spectacular. That´s why? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 I am assuming you are using a Doc Band from Cranial Tech, is that right? The band is also 3000.00 in the US. You are paying for the casting,, pictures, molding, making of a custom fitted band,all visits for adjustments, and then a possible exit casting,exit pictures and exit headmold. Does that help? CAROLG > > i am from Venezuela. i had to flight to put helmet to my child. I > would to know why the band is to expensive? 3000 dolars or more in > Spain. The material is not spectacular. That´s why? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 In addition to what Carol said it also includes all of their research, the training of the staff, and a number of studies they conduct to determine the causes and best treatment protocols. na, 2 1/2 yrs, DOC Grad Feb 04, Tort Resolved Kiersten, 7 1/2 months, DOC 1/10/06, Tort www.thefilyaws.com > > > > i am from Venezuela. i had to flight to put helmet to my child. I > > would to know why the band is to expensive? 3000 dolars or more in > > Spain. The material is not spectacular. That´s why? > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 In addition to what Carol said it also includes all of their research, the training of the staff, and a number of studies they conduct to determine the causes and best treatment protocols. na, 2 1/2 yrs, DOC Grad Feb 04, Tort Resolved Kiersten, 7 1/2 months, DOC 1/10/06, Tort www.thefilyaws.com > > > > i am from Venezuela. i had to flight to put helmet to my child. I > > would to know why the band is to expensive? 3000 dolars or more in > > Spain. The material is not spectacular. That´s why? > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 Hi , Welcome to the group! I just wanted to second and third and Carol. If you knew exactly what went into making a DOCband,you'd understand the $3000.00 price tag. Believe me it's worth every penny. Is your baby banded yet? -- In Plagiocephaly , " guille_vaz2004 " <guille_vaz2004@y...> wrote: > > i am from Venezuela. i had to flight to put helmet to my child. I > would to know why the band is to expensive? 3000 dolars or more in > Spain. The material is not spectacular. That´s why? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 Hi , Welcome to the group! I just wanted to second and third and Carol. If you knew exactly what went into making a DOCband,you'd understand the $3000.00 price tag. Believe me it's worth every penny. Is your baby banded yet? -- In Plagiocephaly , " guille_vaz2004 " <guille_vaz2004@y...> wrote: > > i am from Venezuela. i had to flight to put helmet to my child. I > would to know why the band is to expensive? 3000 dolars or more in > Spain. The material is not spectacular. That´s why? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 My son don´t use Doc band. He used a helmet made in Spain and called ORTOSUR. He finished treatment very well. I am happy for this. I understand that in USA all treatment cost 3000 dollars? In Spain treatment cost 3500 euros, plus the mold costo for about 30 euros, plus the appoinment other euros, if you need other band you have to pay 3500 euros plus. Is the same in USA? There are not information and i try to help people in Latinamerica. Thanks > > > > i am from Venezuela. i had to flight to put helmet to my child. I > > would to know why the band is to expensive? 3000 dolars or more in > > Spain. The material is not spectacular. That´s why? > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 My son don´t use Doc band. He used a helmet made in Spain and called ORTOSUR. He finished treatment very well. I am happy for this. I understand that in USA all treatment cost 3000 dollars? In Spain treatment cost 3500 euros, plus the mold costo for about 30 euros, plus the appoinment other euros, if you need other band you have to pay 3500 euros plus. Is the same in USA? There are not information and i try to help people in Latinamerica. Thanks > > > > i am from Venezuela. i had to flight to put helmet to my child. I > > would to know why the band is to expensive? 3000 dolars or more in > > Spain. The material is not spectacular. That´s why? > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 Hi , The Cranial Tech offices in Spain are located here: Madrid Centro Médico Craneofacial Calle Embajadores nº 167, 1º C 28045 Madrid Phone: 656314014 www.plagiocefalia.com Joan Pinyot, M.D. Clinicians: Garriga, DI Olga Sánchez, DI ----------------------------------------- Barcelona Centre d'Ortopèdia Craniofacial Centre 31 08211-Castellar del Vallès Barcelona Phone: 0034-656314014 Phone: 0034-937471155 Fax: 937471156 www.plagiocefalia.com Joan Pinyot, M.D. Clinicians: Garriga, DI Sònia Ibáñez, DI Pere Hurtado, DI The cost is 3000.00 and it includes everything. Casting, fitting, band and all future appointments. > > > > > > i am from Venezuela. i had to flight to put helmet to my child. > I > > > would to know why the band is to expensive? 3000 dolars or more > in > > > Spain. The material is not spectacular. That´s why? > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 Hi , The Cranial Tech offices in Spain are located here: Madrid Centro Médico Craneofacial Calle Embajadores nº 167, 1º C 28045 Madrid Phone: 656314014 www.plagiocefalia.com Joan Pinyot, M.D. Clinicians: Garriga, DI Olga Sánchez, DI ----------------------------------------- Barcelona Centre d'Ortopèdia Craniofacial Centre 31 08211-Castellar del Vallès Barcelona Phone: 0034-656314014 Phone: 0034-937471155 Fax: 937471156 www.plagiocefalia.com Joan Pinyot, M.D. Clinicians: Garriga, DI Sònia Ibáñez, DI Pere Hurtado, DI The cost is 3000.00 and it includes everything. Casting, fitting, band and all future appointments. > > > > > > i am from Venezuela. i had to flight to put helmet to my child. > I > > > would to know why the band is to expensive? 3000 dolars or more > in > > > Spain. The material is not spectacular. That´s why? > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 I see that Stacey has already given you the info I would have. I hope it helps. CAROLG > > > > > > i am from Venezuela. i had to flight to put helmet to my child. > I > > > would to know why the band is to expensive? 3000 dolars or more > in > > > Spain. The material is not spectacular. That´s why? > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 I see that Stacey has already given you the info I would have. I hope it helps. CAROLG > > > > > > i am from Venezuela. i had to flight to put helmet to my child. > I > > > would to know why the band is to expensive? 3000 dolars or more > in > > > Spain. The material is not spectacular. That´s why? > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 Well. When i ask for Doc band in Spain, they said that the cost was 3500 euros to fitting,band and all future appointments. But first appointment cost 120 euros and mold cost 30 euros. Later if you need other band you have to pay 3500 euros again. I think i was in a mistake, but it is the information that i received. I put these information in my group but i think is better put Doc band in USA than Spain. Is more cheap. Thanks for the information. . > > > > > > > > i am from Venezuela. i had to flight to put helmet to my child. > > I > > > > would to know why the band is to expensive? 3000 dolars or more > > in > > > > Spain. The material is not spectacular. That´s why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 Well. When i ask for Doc band in Spain, they said that the cost was 3500 euros to fitting,band and all future appointments. But first appointment cost 120 euros and mold cost 30 euros. Later if you need other band you have to pay 3500 euros again. I think i was in a mistake, but it is the information that i received. I put these information in my group but i think is better put Doc band in USA than Spain. Is more cheap. Thanks for the information. . > > > > > > > > i am from Venezuela. i had to flight to put helmet to my child. > > I > > > > would to know why the band is to expensive? 3000 dolars or more > > in > > > > Spain. The material is not spectacular. That´s why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 , The Doc band centers in Spain are liscensed centers, so they may charge differently than the US. I know here the cost is 3000.00USD and that covers it all. You do have to set up a payment plan, paying so much at the casting and then a set amount until either your insurance pays or you have paid it off. That may be what they were saying. Unfortunately here too if a second band is needed it is another 3000.00USD also. I will see what info. I can get to be sure you have the correct information for your group. It's great to hear that you are helping to spread the word on plagiocephaly. Good Luck! CAROLG > > > > > > > > > > i am from Venezuela. i had to flight to put helmet to my > child. > > > I > > > > > would to know why the band is to expensive? 3000 dolars or > more > > > in > > > > > Spain. The material is not spectacular. That´s why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 , The Doc band centers in Spain are liscensed centers, so they may charge differently than the US. I know here the cost is 3000.00USD and that covers it all. You do have to set up a payment plan, paying so much at the casting and then a set amount until either your insurance pays or you have paid it off. That may be what they were saying. Unfortunately here too if a second band is needed it is another 3000.00USD also. I will see what info. I can get to be sure you have the correct information for your group. It's great to hear that you are helping to spread the word on plagiocephaly. Good Luck! CAROLG > > > > > > > > > > i am from Venezuela. i had to flight to put helmet to my > child. > > > I > > > > > would to know why the band is to expensive? 3000 dolars or > more > > > in > > > > > Spain. The material is not spectacular. That´s why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 Hi everyone, I think I'm still in denial. Is this possible? is it possible that my muscles and tendons have been shortened by RA but my joints can still look clear on x-ray? I thoought it attacked the joints first and later the muscles and tendons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 Yes, I am. Haven't noticed a difference yet. It's been around 3 months... > > Awhile ago someone on the list asked about Humira. I didn't see any responses. Anyone out there on it? How is it working? > > On a lighter note, Jane, your post about camping reminded me of a funny situation last Winter. My family, including grandchildren, went sledding at a nearby hill. The cars are parked at the top and I stood there watching everyone having such a great time...memories of long ago (probably around the time the wheel was invented!) flooding back and leading to a sort of temporary insanity. > > You guessed it....I got on the sled and with some degree of reckless abandon ;-) set off down the hill. It really was fun (if I don't think about the jolts to these old bones) until I got to the bottom and tried to get off the sled. > > Oh, silly me, looking a little like a beached whale, struggling to get off the silly sled and feeling as if every eye was on my antics. At one point I tried to roll to the left but as my left shoulder is kind of useless, that was a ridiculous idea and only added to the comedy. I tried to look like I was making " snow angels " but that was a transparent effort at saving the situation. > > And lucky me, to have a son who is a body builder and a sensitive young man. He noticed my predicament (but of course, who could miss it????) and came to my rescue! > > Sometimes I allow myself to forget about this disease and sometimes I get in trouble because of that but it was fun while it lasted! > > Wishing you all a pain-free holiday weekend! > Laine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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