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Hello,

I am a 27 year old female who was put on zyprexa for about a year and a half for

short-term insomnia. I was put off Zyprexa last november, and ever since I have

been experiencing bad reobund insomnia. I have tried melatonin from 3 mg to 6mg

in a total of 4 weeks, but that did nothing. I'm just wondering if this rebound

will ever go away and if I will ever sleep normally like I did before I was put

on this drug.And is it true that Zyprexa really messed up your serotin levels

and block the levels in the brain that is needed for sleep? What can I do to

make my brain heal?

Thank-you

Estelle>>

** Hi Estelle,

Welcome to the group. Could you please elaborate on how you discontinued

Zyprexa? What size were your reductions and how many days did you allow between

reductions? Are you on any other pharmaceutical drugs? Were you on any drugs

prior to Zyprexa?

You've had to learn the hard way that the pharmaceutical companies have

people brain-washed into believing that it is perfectly fine for people to take

an " anti-psychotic " for difficulty sleeping. It's time for people to reclaim

their bodies and make decisions for themselves instead of doing whatever their

doctor tells them to do.

Make sure to tell others about your journey so they are aware to never accept

one of these drugs.

For those reading who are new to the psychotropic drug arena, a mere 10 years

ago, a physician wouldn't think of giving an anti-psychotic for insomnia knowing

that these drugs are highly quite harmful to the body and mind. Today, most MDs

don't question it. They don't evaluate anything they are told by the

pharmaceutical industry.

I recommend to people that if your doctor does not bother to question

off-label uses then s/he has no ability to be a critical thinker. Find yourself

another physician who is able to critically process information.

Regards,

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Hi Estelle and other Group members,

Glad you ALL found this particular Group because here you will find answers to side-effects and withdrawal issues. This is an extremely valuable Group because of those answers, plus has been successfully helping people for years. Just look at former posts and you will learn far more than you ever expected that will help you understand what is going on in your body because of these drugs and how to heal at the cellular level. You WILL regain your SELF again if you listen to her knowledge..........

=================================

Hello,I am a 27 year old female who was put on zyprexa for about a year and a half for short-term insomnia. I was put off Zyprexa last november, and ever since I have been experiencing bad reobund insomnia. I have tried melatonin from 3 mg to 6mg in a total of 4 weeks, but that did nothing. I'm just wondering if this rebound will ever go away and if I will ever sleep normally like I did before I was put on this drug.And is it true that Zyprexa really messed up your serotin levels and block the levels in the brain that is needed for sleep? What can I do to make my brain heal?Thank-youEstelle>>** Hi Estelle,Welcome to the group. Could you please elaborate on how you discontinued Zyprexa? What size were your reductions and how many days did you allow between reductions? Are you on any other pharmaceutical drugs? Were you on any drugs prior to Zyprexa?You've had to learn the hard way that the pharmaceutical companies have people brain-washed into believing that it is perfectly fine for people to take an "anti-psychotic" for difficulty sleeping. It's time for people to reclaim their bodies and make decisions for themselves instead of doing whatever their doctor tells them to do. Make sure to tell others about your journey so they are aware to never accept one of these drugs.For those reading who are new to the psychotropic drug arena, a mere 10 years ago, a physician wouldn't think of giving an anti-psychotic for insomnia knowing that these drugs are highly quite harmful to the body and mind. Today, most MDs don't question it. They don't evaluate anything they are told by the pharmaceutical industry. I recommend to people that if your doctor does not bother to question off-label uses then s/he has no ability to be a critical thinker. Find yourself another physician who is able to critically process information.Regards,

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Hi Estelle and other Group members,

Glad you ALL found this particular Group because here you will find answers to side-effects and withdrawal issues. This is an extremely valuable Group because of those answers, plus has been successfully helping people for years. Just look at former posts and you will learn far more than you ever expected that will help you understand what is going on in your body because of these drugs and how to heal at the cellular level. You WILL regain your SELF again if you listen to her knowledge..........

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Hello,I am a 27 year old female who was put on zyprexa for about a year and a half for short-term insomnia. I was put off Zyprexa last november, and ever since I have been experiencing bad reobund insomnia. I have tried melatonin from 3 mg to 6mg in a total of 4 weeks, but that did nothing. I'm just wondering if this rebound will ever go away and if I will ever sleep normally like I did before I was put on this drug.And is it true that Zyprexa really messed up your serotin levels and block the levels in the brain that is needed for sleep? What can I do to make my brain heal?Thank-youEstelle>>** Hi Estelle,Welcome to the group. Could you please elaborate on how you discontinued Zyprexa? What size were your reductions and how many days did you allow between reductions? Are you on any other pharmaceutical drugs? Were you on any drugs prior to Zyprexa?You've had to learn the hard way that the pharmaceutical companies have people brain-washed into believing that it is perfectly fine for people to take an "anti-psychotic" for difficulty sleeping. It's time for people to reclaim their bodies and make decisions for themselves instead of doing whatever their doctor tells them to do. Make sure to tell others about your journey so they are aware to never accept one of these drugs.For those reading who are new to the psychotropic drug arena, a mere 10 years ago, a physician wouldn't think of giving an anti-psychotic for insomnia knowing that these drugs are highly quite harmful to the body and mind. Today, most MDs don't question it. They don't evaluate anything they are told by the pharmaceutical industry. I recommend to people that if your doctor does not bother to question off-label uses then s/he has no ability to be a critical thinker. Find yourself another physician who is able to critically process information.Regards,

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Jan? Not sure if you remember me. But it's so nice to hear from you again. You

always had such kind words for me when I needed them the most. How are you? I

hope all is well.

^_^

Love,

Tonya

>

> Hi Estelle and other Group members,

> Glad you ALL found this particular Group because here you will find answers

> to side-effects and withdrawal issues. This is an extremely valuable

> Group because of those answers, plus has been successfully helping

> people for years. Just look at former posts and you will learn far more than

> you ever expected that will help you understand what is going on in your

> body because of these drugs and how to heal at the cellular level. You WILL

> regain your SELF again if you listen to her knowledge..........

>

> =================================

>

>

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Jan? Not sure if you remember me. But it's so nice to hear from you again. You

always had such kind words for me when I needed them the most. How are you? I

hope all is well.

^_^

Love,

Tonya

>

> Hi Estelle and other Group members,

> Glad you ALL found this particular Group because here you will find answers

> to side-effects and withdrawal issues. This is an extremely valuable

> Group because of those answers, plus has been successfully helping

> people for years. Just look at former posts and you will learn far more than

> you ever expected that will help you understand what is going on in your

> body because of these drugs and how to heal at the cellular level. You WILL

> regain your SELF again if you listen to her knowledge..........

>

> =================================

>

>

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HI Tonya,

Yes, I do remember you but I can't recall a lot of details about your situation. I certainly hope you found a successful road to recovery and you are doing well. (I forgot to add my name to my post. Sorry -- but thank for remembering my name after a lot of time has passed since I've posted.)

This Group is by far the best for getting people to understand & identify the side-effects symptoms, the "how to's" to successfully withdraw, and then what companion nutrients to take to heal at the cellular level.

It would be impossible to calculate how many people have been helped here over the years. I'm just so glad the Group is still active and available. There's way too many people suffering from these mind-altering drugs and don't know where to turn. Personally I know many and it sickens me to hear how they got brainwashed into needing drugs with such horrendous side-effects.

It would be nice to hear back from you and tell us how you are doing now.

Respectfully....... Jan

===================================

Jan? Not sure if you remember me. But it's so nice to hear from you again. You always had such kind words for me when I needed them the most. How are you? I hope all is well.^_^Love,Tonya>> Hi Estelle and other Group members,> Glad you ALL found this particular Group because here you will find answers > to side-effects and withdrawal issues. This is an extremely valuable > Group because of those answers, plus has been successfully helping > people for years. Just look at former posts and you will learn far more than > you ever expected that will help you understand what is going on in your > body because of these drugs and how to heal at the cellular level. You WILL > regain your SELF again if you listen to her knowledge..........> > =================================> > >

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HI Tonya,

Yes, I do remember you but I can't recall a lot of details about your situation. I certainly hope you found a successful road to recovery and you are doing well. (I forgot to add my name to my post. Sorry -- but thank for remembering my name after a lot of time has passed since I've posted.)

This Group is by far the best for getting people to understand & identify the side-effects symptoms, the "how to's" to successfully withdraw, and then what companion nutrients to take to heal at the cellular level.

It would be impossible to calculate how many people have been helped here over the years. I'm just so glad the Group is still active and available. There's way too many people suffering from these mind-altering drugs and don't know where to turn. Personally I know many and it sickens me to hear how they got brainwashed into needing drugs with such horrendous side-effects.

It would be nice to hear back from you and tell us how you are doing now.

Respectfully....... Jan

===================================

Jan? Not sure if you remember me. But it's so nice to hear from you again. You always had such kind words for me when I needed them the most. How are you? I hope all is well.^_^Love,Tonya>> Hi Estelle and other Group members,> Glad you ALL found this particular Group because here you will find answers > to side-effects and withdrawal issues. This is an extremely valuable > Group because of those answers, plus has been successfully helping > people for years. Just look at former posts and you will learn far more than > you ever expected that will help you understand what is going on in your > body because of these drugs and how to heal at the cellular level. You WILL > regain your SELF again if you listen to her knowledge..........> > =================================> > >

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Hi Jan,

I'm doing ok at the moment. I've slipped up a few times in the past several

years, not realizing the severity of the drug damages. I guess I figured I could

live and act the way I did prior to the cold turkey withdrawals I did back in

2004. In 2004-5, I suffered greatly with a lot of symptoms that couldn't be

minimized by going back on the original drugs, as too much time had passed

before I found this group.

But as time went on, I gradually began to feel like my old self again, with some

limitations. And I took advantage of this, going back to unhealthy lifestyles -

chocolates and sweets, not coping with stress, etc.

That all took its toll on my already damaged adrenal glands (really the entire

HPA axis, I think) and I ended up with worse symptoms than I had in w/d. Twice

now.

So I'm learning how to cope with stress and learning my limitations and how to

accept that I may never feel the way I did pre-drug.

Admittedly, it's been hard to learn to accept this and take precautions in my

every-day life and actions (such as, little or no time on the computer, know

when exercise is too strenuous, diet choices and that sort of thing).

I hope others can learn from my mistakes, mainly, not to withdraw too fast and

if there are seemingly permanent damages, to accept this and live life

accordingly.

On a more personal note, I've left a bad marriage, re-married and my daughter is

now a teenager (yay for me! lol).

I, too, am very thankful this group still exists. I continue to learn and grow

from what I read here.

And, like you, I feel just awful whenever I read posts anywhere about people

having " mental illnesses " and needing drugs, but then complaining about how the

drugs make them feel. I wait for an opening and then mention something. That is

to say, I'll wait until I see someone is receptive to new information and then I

will plant seeds and may even link them to this group.

Some have accepted the invite and others rejected it, but I think it's maybe not

the right time for them to move in this direction. It's still sad though.

Sorry, don't mean to be long-winded!

How have you been? I don't think I ever knew what brought you to group. Was it a

family member?

Take care always,

Tonya

>

> HI Tonya,

> Yes, I do remember you but I can't recall a lot of details about your

> situation. I certainly hope you found a successful road to recovery and you

> are doing well. (I forgot to add my name to my post. Sorry -- but thank for

> remembering my name after a lot of time has passed since I've posted.)

> This Group is by far the best for getting people to understand &

> identify the side-effects symptoms, the " how to's " to successfully withdraw,

> and then what companion nutrients to take to heal at the cellular level.

> It would be impossible to calculate how many people have been helped

> here over the years. I'm just so glad the Group is still active and

> available. There's way too many people suffering from these mind-altering

drugs

> and don't know where to turn. Personally I know many and it sickens me to

> hear how they got brainwashed into needing drugs with such horrendous

> side-effects.

> It would be nice to hear back from you and tell us how you are doing

> now.

>

> Respectfully....... Jan

> ===================================

> In a message dated 5/7/2012 12:16:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

>

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Hi Jan,

I'm doing ok at the moment. I've slipped up a few times in the past several

years, not realizing the severity of the drug damages. I guess I figured I could

live and act the way I did prior to the cold turkey withdrawals I did back in

2004. In 2004-5, I suffered greatly with a lot of symptoms that couldn't be

minimized by going back on the original drugs, as too much time had passed

before I found this group.

But as time went on, I gradually began to feel like my old self again, with some

limitations. And I took advantage of this, going back to unhealthy lifestyles -

chocolates and sweets, not coping with stress, etc.

That all took its toll on my already damaged adrenal glands (really the entire

HPA axis, I think) and I ended up with worse symptoms than I had in w/d. Twice

now.

So I'm learning how to cope with stress and learning my limitations and how to

accept that I may never feel the way I did pre-drug.

Admittedly, it's been hard to learn to accept this and take precautions in my

every-day life and actions (such as, little or no time on the computer, know

when exercise is too strenuous, diet choices and that sort of thing).

I hope others can learn from my mistakes, mainly, not to withdraw too fast and

if there are seemingly permanent damages, to accept this and live life

accordingly.

On a more personal note, I've left a bad marriage, re-married and my daughter is

now a teenager (yay for me! lol).

I, too, am very thankful this group still exists. I continue to learn and grow

from what I read here.

And, like you, I feel just awful whenever I read posts anywhere about people

having " mental illnesses " and needing drugs, but then complaining about how the

drugs make them feel. I wait for an opening and then mention something. That is

to say, I'll wait until I see someone is receptive to new information and then I

will plant seeds and may even link them to this group.

Some have accepted the invite and others rejected it, but I think it's maybe not

the right time for them to move in this direction. It's still sad though.

Sorry, don't mean to be long-winded!

How have you been? I don't think I ever knew what brought you to group. Was it a

family member?

Take care always,

Tonya

>

> HI Tonya,

> Yes, I do remember you but I can't recall a lot of details about your

> situation. I certainly hope you found a successful road to recovery and you

> are doing well. (I forgot to add my name to my post. Sorry -- but thank for

> remembering my name after a lot of time has passed since I've posted.)

> This Group is by far the best for getting people to understand &

> identify the side-effects symptoms, the " how to's " to successfully withdraw,

> and then what companion nutrients to take to heal at the cellular level.

> It would be impossible to calculate how many people have been helped

> here over the years. I'm just so glad the Group is still active and

> available. There's way too many people suffering from these mind-altering

drugs

> and don't know where to turn. Personally I know many and it sickens me to

> hear how they got brainwashed into needing drugs with such horrendous

> side-effects.

> It would be nice to hear back from you and tell us how you are doing

> now.

>

> Respectfully....... Jan

> ===================================

> In a message dated 5/7/2012 12:16:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

>

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It would be impossible to calculate how many people have been helped here over the years. I'm just so glad the Group is still active and available. There's way too many people suffering from these mind-altering drugs and don't know where to turn.I am thankful every day that someone guided me to this group so many years ago now. To everyone reading who know people struggling with these drugs, mention the group to them, even if they throw it back in your face it doesn't matter, plant the seed, when they are ready to water it they will, but you need to plant it for them to be able to do that. Jan, you are right, there are still too many people suffering from these drugs, one will always be too many.It's good to hear from you.With Love

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It would be impossible to calculate how many people have been helped here over the years. I'm just so glad the Group is still active and available. There's way too many people suffering from these mind-altering drugs and don't know where to turn.I am thankful every day that someone guided me to this group so many years ago now. To everyone reading who know people struggling with these drugs, mention the group to them, even if they throw it back in your face it doesn't matter, plant the seed, when they are ready to water it they will, but you need to plant it for them to be able to do that. Jan, you are right, there are still too many people suffering from these drugs, one will always be too many.It's good to hear from you.With Love

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Hello and everyone else on board,

I discontinued zyprexa because I was finding that it was making me gain weight

and plus I found that it wasn't doing much for the " anxiety " either. My psych

told me to quit taking the 2.5 mg cold turkey, she told me it was COMPLETELY

fine...I did exactly what she asked me to do.

..I am currently on Celexa 15mg daily (I was on 40 mg, but slowly discontinuing)I

am actually REALLY angry at my psych for totally messing up my sleeping

rhythm..I am suffering ALOT because of being sleep depreived daily.

What makes me more angry is that I did not need to take ZYPREXA at all for my

sleeping problem. I never really had insomnia, I had regular sleeping patterns

all my life and only those " short-term " insomnia everyone has once in a while,

you know those that everyone gets once in awhile due to stress or what not? What

I mean is to elaborate is that for example, once in awhile i'd have insomnia for

a few days or so, but something that would dissapear on its own....

How i ended up taking zyprexa is during one of my sessions she askd me how my

sleeping pattern was, and I told her I couldnt sleep around those days ( I was

sleeping reguarly like said above BUT was having those normal short insomnia

days that would go away)she then prescribed me ZYPLICONE( right spelling?), and

me not knowing taking sleeping meds can really mess you up later, I started

taking it around those nights I couldnt sleep..

A few weeks later when I saw her again she told she was switching me over to

ZYPREXA, b/c she claimed it helps you sleep well and helps a great deal with

anxiety...I dont understand b/c why didnt she tell me go off zypiclone first and

see if i could sleep without it first, instead of putting me immediately on

zyprexa...If she had told me zyprexa would have horrible rebound insomnia after

my last dose, i would have NEVER EVER taken this horrible drug

.... It really makes me mad she NEVER told me anything about qutting these drugs

and how it would mess your sleep up AFTER. And of course, back then when i hadnt

done research on how coming off anti psychotic meds can mess your sleep, I took

the med daily (2.5 mg)for about a year and a half...( medication that was

totally unneeded, b/c I only had regular short term insomnia and not real

insomnia)..So ya I basically took this sedating non-needed med for my socalled

" insomnia " for so long...

When i was on zyprexa, i was noticing that it was making me sleep ALOT, day and

night..but i didnt know it was the med and thought i was just tired and sleeping

alot. I didnt know UNTILL i finished my last dose of this med and my doc told me

right after of finishing that quitting zyprexa could not make me sleep.

....she was right, after my last dose and 2 days later i could not sleep and i

have been having horrible insomnia DAILY for 6 months now,soon after I started

doing alot of research on zyprexa and found out how it was really sedating.It

was then I realized my excessive sleep was due to the med and not b/c i was

tired..

The funny thing is when she asks me how my sleep is and i tellher about

everything i wrote above, she just nodds and asks me if i want to go back on

sleeping meds? HELLO, ARE U STUPID, THE MEDS ARE THE ONES THAT MESSED UP MY

REGULAR SLEEP~ Sometimes I think about suing my doctor for never telling me

about the withdrawl.I'd be really grateful if I can fix my sleep again..What

makes it more painful is that I took this med that was NOT NEEDED AT ALL...=(

If someone here can give me advice and help me out...

THANK YOU SOOO MUCH!!!!

Estelle>>

** Hi Estelle,

You're asking for advice but you haven't asked any questions. If you're

looking for ways to deal with the sleep issue, all you can do is wait it out and

take the best possible care of your body that you can. Things like magnesium,

Passionflower, and Sleepytime tea can all help to relax you. It's just a fact

that psychotropic drugs ruin sleep cycles.

You also want to make sure you eat a diet of whole, fresh foods and stay away

from sugar and caffeine. All these things will make you healthier and more able

to heal. The poorer your health, the longer it takes to recover from the

assaults of the drugs.

You can read more in the files on some general foundational supplements that

are helpful.

Another thing you can do though is to stop putting so much blame on your

doctor. It's important to face your own role in this so the same so the same

mistakes aren't repeated. The #1 reason people accept whatever it is their

doctor gives them and takes it without looking into it first is because they

want their discomfort fixed as quickly and painlessly as possible. The reality

is that this is why the majority of people here came here.

Had you taken the time to look up Zyprexa you would have found out it was

an anti-psychotic drug. Would you still have taken it? Most likely yes.

I'm not picking on you. People here will tell you that my main goal is to

teach people. This is something most need to learn when they come here. This is

about not believing in quick fixes and in drugs for everything. It's about

caring about what you're putting in your body.

Interestingly, the things we need to learn are often brought into our lives

giving us the opportunity to master what we're learning. If you re-read what

you wrote, most of it is complaining about being given the drug. Research says

that people complain excessively when they want someone else to take

responsibility for what has happened. But this doesn't really help people get

well. By taking responsibility for what happened you are indicating your

willingness to become responsible for yourself and your health. If this had

occurred earlier in life, chances are you never would have taken Zyprexa.

You may have noticed that your post looks differently from how you sent it.

It was initially just one huge block of text with no space at all between

sentences or paragraphs. It is just about impossible to read that way if a

person is a fast reader. I edited it by creating paragraphs. All you need to

do is hit the ENTER key twice after every 4 or 5 sentences. That way, people

can read it. After I let people know, it is up to them to format a post so it

is readable. If you forget and send another like this, I won't reformat it but

I will remind you to do it.

So, be kind and loving to yourself, fortify your body, and own your actions.

Nobody can take care of you better than you can take care of yourself.

Regards,

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[My comments marked with ** . --]

Hello and everyone else on board,

I discontinued zyprexa because I was finding that it was making me gain weight

and plus I found that it wasn't doing much for the " anxiety " either. My psych

told me to quit taking the 2.5 mg cold turkey, she told me it was COMPLETELY

fine...I did exactly what she asked me to do.

..I am currently on Celexa 15mg daily (I was on 40 mg, but slowly discontinuing)I

am actually REALLY angry at my psych for totally messing up my sleeping

rhythm..I am suffering ALOT because of being sleep depreived daily.

What makes me more angry is that I did not need to take ZYPREXA at all for my

sleeping problem. I never really had insomnia, I had regular sleeping patterns

all my life and only those " short-term " insomnia everyone has once in a while,

you know those that everyone gets once in awhile due to stress or what not? What

I mean is to elaborate is that for example, once in awhile i'd have insomnia for

a few days or so, but something that would dissapear on its own....

How i ended up taking zyprexa is during one of my sessions she askd me how my

sleeping pattern was, and I told her I couldnt sleep around those days ( I was

sleeping reguarly like said above BUT was having those normal short insomnia

days that would go away)she then prescribed me ZYPLICONE( right spelling?), and

me not knowing taking sleeping meds can really mess you up later, I started

taking it around those nights I couldnt sleep..

A few weeks later when I saw her again she told she was switching me over to

ZYPREXA, b/c she claimed it helps you sleep well and helps a great deal with

anxiety...I dont understand b/c why didnt she tell me go off zypiclone first and

see if i could sleep without it first, instead of putting me immediately on

zyprexa...If she had told me zyprexa would have horrible rebound insomnia after

my last dose, i would have NEVER EVER taken this horrible drug

.... It really makes me mad she NEVER told me anything about qutting these drugs

and how it would mess your sleep up AFTER. And of course, back then when i hadnt

done research on how coming off anti psychotic meds can mess your sleep, I took

the med daily (2.5 mg)for about a year and a half...( medication that was

totally unneeded, b/c I only had regular short term insomnia and not real

insomnia)..So ya I basically took this sedating non-needed med for my socalled

" insomnia " for so long...

When i was on zyprexa, i was noticing that it was making me sleep ALOT, day and

night..but i didnt know it was the med and thought i was just tired and sleeping

alot. I didnt know UNTILL i finished my last dose of this med and my doc told me

right after of finishing that quitting zyprexa could not make me sleep.

....she was right, after my last dose and 2 days later i could not sleep and i

have been having horrible insomnia DAILY for 6 months now,soon after I started

doing alot of research on zyprexa and found out how it was really sedating.It

was then I realized my excessive sleep was due to the med and not b/c i was

tired..

The funny thing is when she asks me how my sleep is and i tellher about

everything i wrote above, she just nodds and asks me if i want to go back on

sleeping meds? HELLO, ARE U STUPID, THE MEDS ARE THE ONES THAT MESSED UP MY

REGULAR SLEEP~ Sometimes I think about suing my doctor for never telling me

about the withdrawl.I'd be really grateful if I can fix my sleep again..What

makes it more painful is that I took this med that was NOT NEEDED AT ALL...=(

If someone here can give me advice and help me out...

THANK YOU SOOO MUCH!!!!

Estelle>>

** Hi Estelle,

You're asking for advice but you haven't asked any questions. If you're

looking for ways to deal with the sleep issue, all you can do is wait it out and

take the best possible care of your body that you can. Things like magnesium,

Passionflower, and Sleepytime tea can all help to relax you. It's just a fact

that psychotropic drugs ruin sleep cycles.

You also want to make sure you eat a diet of whole, fresh foods and stay away

from sugar and caffeine. All these things will make you healthier and more able

to heal. The poorer your health, the longer it takes to recover from the

assaults of the drugs.

You can read more in the files on some general foundational supplements that

are helpful.

Another thing you can do though is to stop putting so much blame on your

doctor. It's important to face your own role in this so the same so the same

mistakes aren't repeated. The #1 reason people accept whatever it is their

doctor gives them and takes it without looking into it first is because they

want their discomfort fixed as quickly and painlessly as possible. The reality

is that this is why the majority of people here came here.

Had you taken the time to look up Zyprexa you would have found out it was

an anti-psychotic drug. Would you still have taken it? Most likely yes.

I'm not picking on you. People here will tell you that my main goal is to

teach people. This is something most need to learn when they come here. This is

about not believing in quick fixes and in drugs for everything. It's about

caring about what you're putting in your body.

Interestingly, the things we need to learn are often brought into our lives

giving us the opportunity to master what we're learning. If you re-read what

you wrote, most of it is complaining about being given the drug. Research says

that people complain excessively when they want someone else to take

responsibility for what has happened. But this doesn't really help people get

well. By taking responsibility for what happened you are indicating your

willingness to become responsible for yourself and your health. If this had

occurred earlier in life, chances are you never would have taken Zyprexa.

You may have noticed that your post looks differently from how you sent it.

It was initially just one huge block of text with no space at all between

sentences or paragraphs. It is just about impossible to read that way if a

person is a fast reader. I edited it by creating paragraphs. All you need to

do is hit the ENTER key twice after every 4 or 5 sentences. That way, people

can read it. After I let people know, it is up to them to format a post so it

is readable. If you forget and send another like this, I won't reformat it but

I will remind you to do it.

So, be kind and loving to yourself, fortify your body, and own your actions.

Nobody can take care of you better than you can take care of yourself.

Regards,

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Hi Estelle,

I fully understand where you are coming from.

I was mistreated by the GP and the Pshyc. After being made to be reliant on them

ending with a cocktail of drugs. I painfully sustained the side effects which

they denied. They refused to reduce my meds until eventually against there

advice I reduced and finally came off.

I then suffered withdrawals that they denied. Their treatment to me was

barbaric. I found when I looked at my medical records, what they had been

treating me for which I did not have and have proven along with many other

discrepancies of their arrogance and in there writing on my files.

I made an official complaint on all counts.

I at no point blame myself for their barbaric treatment and when they realised

that they were making me ill they denied it because they were worried about

litigation and tried with all their might to keep me on these drugs that

incapacitated me and made me suffer and which I did not need, horrendously with

side effects. That is barbaric. Any one who knows me will tell you that it was

the medical profession that was at fault. They have seen my transformation and

how well I am now.

I was however left with insomnia but have now overcome that.

I can see that you are just explaining yourself and that you are asking for help

for the sleep problem.

Withdrawal can take a long time as the body is going through change.

Sleep: I found that quite from 8pm in the evening. No phone calls, no TV, no

stimulant drinks, and to be quite and unwind. Have a darkened bedroom. No TV or

computer just a bedroom used only to sleep. Ear plugs. If possible try to find

someone to talk to quietly about your situation.

It took some time to be able to sleep (the insomnia was caused by the drugs) but

I have achieved my goal and now go off to sleep and stay asleep all night.

Amazing

I also go to church and had people pray for me as well as praying for myself

this has been a major factor in all I have been through.

Best wishes to you and I am sure you will achieve your goal.

Bless you

>

> [Reformatted to be more readable by ]

>

> [My comments marked with ** . --]

>

> Hello and everyone else on board,

>

> I discontinued zyprexa because I was finding that it was making me gain weight

and plus I found that it wasn't doing much for the " anxiety " either. My psych

told me to quit taking the 2.5 mg cold turkey, she told me it was COMPLETELY

fine...I did exactly what she asked me to do.

>

> .I am currently on Celexa 15mg daily (I was on 40 mg, but slowly

discontinuing)I am actually REALLY angry at my psych for totally messing up my

sleeping rhythm..I am suffering ALOT because of being sleep depreived daily.

>

> What makes me more angry is that I did not need to take ZYPREXA at all for my

sleeping problem. I never really had insomnia, I had regular sleeping patterns

all my life and only those " short-term " insomnia everyone has once in a while,

you know those that everyone gets once in awhile due to stress or what not? What

I mean is to elaborate is that for example, once in awhile i'd have insomnia for

a few days or so, but something that would dissapear on its own....

>

> How i ended up taking zyprexa is during one of my sessions she askd me how my

sleeping pattern was, and I told her I couldnt sleep around those days ( I was

sleeping reguarly like said above BUT was having those normal short insomnia

days that would go away)she then prescribed me ZYPLICONE( right spelling?), and

me not knowing taking sleeping meds can really mess you up later, I started

taking it around those nights I couldnt sleep..

>

> A few weeks later when I saw her again she told she was switching me over to

ZYPREXA, b/c she claimed it helps you sleep well and helps a great deal with

anxiety...I dont understand b/c why didnt she tell me go off zypiclone first and

see if i could sleep without it first, instead of putting me immediately on

zyprexa...If she had told me zyprexa would have horrible rebound insomnia after

my last dose, i would have NEVER EVER taken this horrible drug

>

> ... It really makes me mad she NEVER told me anything about qutting these

drugs and how it would mess your sleep up AFTER. And of course, back then when i

hadnt done research on how coming off anti psychotic meds can mess your sleep, I

took the med daily (2.5 mg)for about a year and a half...( medication that was

totally unneeded, b/c I only had regular short term insomnia and not real

insomnia)..So ya I basically took this sedating non-needed med for my socalled

" insomnia " for so long...

>

> When i was on zyprexa, i was noticing that it was making me sleep ALOT, day

and night..but i didnt know it was the med and thought i was just tired and

sleeping alot. I didnt know UNTILL i finished my last dose of this med and my

doc told me right after of finishing that quitting zyprexa could not make me

sleep.

>

> ...she was right, after my last dose and 2 days later i could not sleep and i

have been having horrible insomnia DAILY for 6 months now,soon after I started

doing alot of research on zyprexa and found out how it was really sedating.It

was then I realized my excessive sleep was due to the med and not b/c i was

tired..

>

> The funny thing is when she asks me how my sleep is and i tellher about

everything i wrote above, she just nodds and asks me if i want to go back on

sleeping meds? HELLO, ARE U STUPID, THE MEDS ARE THE ONES THAT MESSED UP MY

REGULAR SLEEP~ Sometimes I think about suing my doctor for never telling me

about the withdrawl.I'd be really grateful if I can fix my sleep again..What

makes it more painful is that I took this med that was NOT NEEDED AT ALL...=(

> If someone here can give me advice and help me out...

>

> THANK YOU SOOO MUCH!!!!

>

> Estelle>>

>

>

> ** Hi Estelle,

>

> You're asking for advice but you haven't asked any questions. If you're

looking for ways to deal with the sleep issue, all you can do is wait it out and

take the best possible care of your body that you can. Things like magnesium,

Passionflower, and Sleepytime tea can all help to relax you. It's just a fact

that psychotropic drugs ruin sleep cycles.

>

> You also want to make sure you eat a diet of whole, fresh foods and stay

away from sugar and caffeine. All these things will make you healthier and more

able to heal. The poorer your health, the longer it takes to recover from the

assaults of the drugs.

>

> You can read more in the files on some general foundational supplements that

are helpful.

>

> Another thing you can do though is to stop putting so much blame on your

doctor. It's important to face your own role in this so the same so the same

mistakes aren't repeated. The #1 reason people accept whatever it is their

doctor gives them and takes it without looking into it first is because they

want their discomfort fixed as quickly and painlessly as possible. The reality

is that this is why the majority of people here came here.

>

> Had you taken the time to look up Zyprexa you would have found out it was

an anti-psychotic drug. Would you still have taken it? Most likely yes.

>

> I'm not picking on you. People here will tell you that my main goal is to

teach people. This is something most need to learn when they come here. This is

about not believing in quick fixes and in drugs for everything. It's about

caring about what you're putting in your body.

>

> Interestingly, the things we need to learn are often brought into our

lives giving us the opportunity to master what we're learning. If you re-read

what you wrote, most of it is complaining about being given the drug. Research

says that people complain excessively when they want someone else to take

responsibility for what has happened. But this doesn't really help people get

well. By taking responsibility for what happened you are indicating your

willingness to become responsible for yourself and your health. If this had

occurred earlier in life, chances are you never would have taken Zyprexa.

>

> You may have noticed that your post looks differently from how you sent it.

It was initially just one huge block of text with no space at all between

sentences or paragraphs. It is just about impossible to read that way if a

person is a fast reader. I edited it by creating paragraphs. All you need to

do is hit the ENTER key twice after every 4 or 5 sentences. That way, people

can read it. After I let people know, it is up to them to format a post so it

is readable. If you forget and send another like this, I won't reformat it but

I will remind you to do it.

>

> So, be kind and loving to yourself, fortify your body, and own your actions.

Nobody can take care of you better than you can take care of yourself.

>

> Regards,

>

>

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  **   Hi Lib5,   You may not understand my point.  It is much more difficult to " mislead " a person who has done their " homework " .  It is imperative that people know this and engrave it in their minds.  We have the ease of the Internet.  There are no excuses for not looking up drugs prescribed or mentioned by a physician.  Actually, prior to the Internet, I was still saying people had to educate themselves. on prescription drugs.  Most communities have public libraries for this.

  It is also important for people to understand that complaining gets in the way of healing.  Complaining also creates energy blockages. This interferes in healing.   One cannot move forward while focusing on what's behind you.  The only way to make something useful from it is to learn the lesson of taking complete responsibility for what one puts in her/his body.

  I am certain that the people who have been here long enough to hear me talk about the role one's mindset plays in recovery will tell you that while what I say sounds tough, it is crucial to say it.  

Regards,

Hi Estelle,

I fully understand where you are coming from.

I was mistreated by the GP and the Pshyc. After being made to be reliant on them ending with a cocktail of drugs. I painfully sustained the side effects which they denied. They refused to reduce my meds until eventually against there advice I reduced and finally came off.

I then suffered withdrawals that they denied. Their treatment to me was barbaric. I found when I looked at my medical records, what they had been treating me for which I did not have and have proven along with many other discrepancies of their arrogance and in there writing on my files.

I made an official complaint on all counts.

I at no point blame myself for their barbaric treatment and when they realised that they were making me ill they denied it because they were worried about litigation and tried with all their might to keep me on these drugs that incapacitated me and made me suffer and which I did not need, horrendously with side effects. That is barbaric. Any one who knows me will tell you that it was the medical profession that was at fault. They have seen my transformation and how well I am now.

I was however left with insomnia but have now overcome that.

I can see that you are just explaining yourself and that you are asking for help for the sleep problem.

Withdrawal can take a long time as the body is going through change.

Sleep: I found that quite from 8pm in the evening. No phone calls, no TV, no stimulant drinks, and to be quite and unwind. Have a darkened bedroom. No TV or computer just a bedroom used only to sleep. Ear plugs. If possible try to find someone to talk to quietly about your situation.

It took some time to be able to sleep (the insomnia was caused by the drugs) but I have achieved my goal and now go off to sleep and stay asleep all night. Amazing

I also go to church and had people pray for me as well as praying for myself this has been a major factor in all I have been through.

Best wishes to you and I am sure you will achieve your goal.

Bless you

>

> [Reformatted to be more readable by ]

>

> [My comments marked with ** . --]

>

> Hello and everyone else on board,

>

> I discontinued zyprexa because I was finding that it was making me gain weight and plus I found that it wasn't doing much for the " anxiety " either. My psych told me to quit taking the 2.5 mg cold turkey, she told me it was COMPLETELY fine...I did exactly what she asked me to do.

>

> .I am currently on Celexa 15mg daily (I was on 40 mg, but slowly discontinuing)I am actually REALLY angry at my psych for totally messing up my sleeping rhythm..I am suffering ALOT because of being sleep depreived daily.

>

> What makes me more angry is that I did not need to take ZYPREXA at all for my sleeping problem. I never really had insomnia, I had regular sleeping patterns all my life and only those " short-term " insomnia everyone has once in a while, you know those that everyone gets once in awhile due to stress or what not? What I mean is to elaborate is that for example, once in awhile i'd have insomnia for a few days or so, but something that would dissapear on its own....

>

> How i ended up taking zyprexa is during one of my sessions she askd me how my sleeping pattern was, and I told her I couldnt sleep around those days ( I was sleeping reguarly like said above BUT was having those normal short insomnia days that would go away)she then prescribed me ZYPLICONE( right spelling?), and me not knowing taking sleeping meds can really mess you up later, I started taking it around those nights I couldnt sleep..

>

> A few weeks later when I saw her again she told she was switching me over to ZYPREXA, b/c she claimed it helps you sleep well and helps a great deal with anxiety...I dont understand b/c why didnt she tell me go off zypiclone first and see if i could sleep without it first, instead of putting me immediately on zyprexa...If she had told me zyprexa would have horrible rebound insomnia after my last dose, i would have NEVER EVER taken this horrible drug

>

> ... It really makes me mad she NEVER told me anything about qutting these drugs and how it would mess your sleep up AFTER. And of course, back then when i hadnt done research on how coming off anti psychotic meds can mess your sleep, I took the med daily (2.5 mg)for about a year and a half...( medication that was totally unneeded, b/c I only had regular short term insomnia and not real insomnia)..So ya I basically took this sedating non-needed med for my socalled " insomnia " for so long...

>

> When i was on zyprexa, i was noticing that it was making me sleep ALOT, day and night..but i didnt know it was the med and thought i was just tired and sleeping alot. I didnt know UNTILL i finished my last dose of this med and my doc told me right after of finishing that quitting zyprexa could not make me sleep.

>

> ...she was right, after my last dose and 2 days later i could not sleep and i have been having horrible insomnia DAILY for 6 months now,soon after I started doing alot of research on zyprexa and found out how it was really sedating.It was then I realized my excessive sleep was due to the med and not b/c i was tired..

>

> The funny thing is when she asks me how my sleep is and i tellher about everything i wrote above, she just nodds and asks me if i want to go back on sleeping meds? HELLO, ARE U STUPID, THE MEDS ARE THE ONES THAT MESSED UP MY REGULAR SLEEP~ Sometimes I think about suing my doctor for never telling me about the withdrawl.I'd be really grateful if I can fix my sleep again..What makes it more painful is that I took this med that was NOT NEEDED AT ALL...=(

> If someone here can give me advice and help me out...

>

> THANK YOU SOOO MUCH!!!!

>

> Estelle>>

>

>

>    **  Hi Estelle,

>

>   You're asking for advice but you haven't asked any questions.  If you're looking for ways to deal with the sleep issue, all you can do is wait it out and take the best possible care of your body that you can.  Things like magnesium, Passionflower, and Sleepytime tea can all help to relax you.  It's just a fact that psychotropic drugs ruin sleep cycles.

>

>   You also want to make sure you eat a diet of whole, fresh foods and stay away from sugar and caffeine.  All these things will make you healthier and more able to heal.  The poorer your health, the longer it takes to recover from the assaults of the drugs.

>

>   You can read more in the files on some general foundational supplements that are helpful.

>

>   Another thing you can do though is to stop putting so much blame on your doctor.  It's important to face your own role in this so the same so the same mistakes aren't repeated.  The #1 reason people accept whatever it is their doctor gives them and takes it without looking into it first is because they want their discomfort fixed as quickly and painlessly as possible.  The reality is that this is why the majority of people here came here.

>

>      Had you taken the time to look up Zyprexa you would have found out it was an anti-psychotic drug.  Would you still have taken it?  Most likely yes.

>

>    I'm not picking on you.  People here will tell you that my main goal is to teach people.  This is something most need to learn when they come here. This is about not believing in quick fixes and in drugs for everything.  It's about caring about what you're putting in your body.

>

>     Interestingly, the things we need to learn are often brought into our lives giving us the opportunity to master what we're learning.  If you re-read what you wrote, most of it is complaining about being given the drug.  Research says that people complain  excessively  when they want someone else to take responsibility for what has happened.  But this doesn't really help people get well.  By taking responsibility for what happened you are indicating your willingness to become responsible for yourself and your health.  If this had occurred earlier in life, chances are you never would have taken Zyprexa.

>

>    You may have noticed that your post looks differently from how you sent it.  It was initially just one huge block of text with no space at all between sentences or paragraphs.  It is just about impossible to read that way if a person is a fast reader.  I edited it by creating paragraphs.  All you need to do is hit the ENTER key twice after every 4 or 5 sentences.  That way, people can read it.   After I let people know, it is up to them to format a post so it is readable.  If you forget and send another like this, I won't reformat it but I will remind you to do it.

>

>   So, be kind and loving to yourself, fortify your body, and own your actions.  Nobody can take care of you better than you can take care of yourself.

>

> Regards,

>

>

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  **   Hi Lib5,   You may not understand my point.  It is much more difficult to " mislead " a person who has done their " homework " .  It is imperative that people know this and engrave it in their minds.  We have the ease of the Internet.  There are no excuses for not looking up drugs prescribed or mentioned by a physician.  Actually, prior to the Internet, I was still saying people had to educate themselves. on prescription drugs.  Most communities have public libraries for this.

  It is also important for people to understand that complaining gets in the way of healing.  Complaining also creates energy blockages. This interferes in healing.   One cannot move forward while focusing on what's behind you.  The only way to make something useful from it is to learn the lesson of taking complete responsibility for what one puts in her/his body.

  I am certain that the people who have been here long enough to hear me talk about the role one's mindset plays in recovery will tell you that while what I say sounds tough, it is crucial to say it.  

Regards,

Hi Estelle,

I fully understand where you are coming from.

I was mistreated by the GP and the Pshyc. After being made to be reliant on them ending with a cocktail of drugs. I painfully sustained the side effects which they denied. They refused to reduce my meds until eventually against there advice I reduced and finally came off.

I then suffered withdrawals that they denied. Their treatment to me was barbaric. I found when I looked at my medical records, what they had been treating me for which I did not have and have proven along with many other discrepancies of their arrogance and in there writing on my files.

I made an official complaint on all counts.

I at no point blame myself for their barbaric treatment and when they realised that they were making me ill they denied it because they were worried about litigation and tried with all their might to keep me on these drugs that incapacitated me and made me suffer and which I did not need, horrendously with side effects. That is barbaric. Any one who knows me will tell you that it was the medical profession that was at fault. They have seen my transformation and how well I am now.

I was however left with insomnia but have now overcome that.

I can see that you are just explaining yourself and that you are asking for help for the sleep problem.

Withdrawal can take a long time as the body is going through change.

Sleep: I found that quite from 8pm in the evening. No phone calls, no TV, no stimulant drinks, and to be quite and unwind. Have a darkened bedroom. No TV or computer just a bedroom used only to sleep. Ear plugs. If possible try to find someone to talk to quietly about your situation.

It took some time to be able to sleep (the insomnia was caused by the drugs) but I have achieved my goal and now go off to sleep and stay asleep all night. Amazing

I also go to church and had people pray for me as well as praying for myself this has been a major factor in all I have been through.

Best wishes to you and I am sure you will achieve your goal.

Bless you

>

> [Reformatted to be more readable by ]

>

> [My comments marked with ** . --]

>

> Hello and everyone else on board,

>

> I discontinued zyprexa because I was finding that it was making me gain weight and plus I found that it wasn't doing much for the " anxiety " either. My psych told me to quit taking the 2.5 mg cold turkey, she told me it was COMPLETELY fine...I did exactly what she asked me to do.

>

> .I am currently on Celexa 15mg daily (I was on 40 mg, but slowly discontinuing)I am actually REALLY angry at my psych for totally messing up my sleeping rhythm..I am suffering ALOT because of being sleep depreived daily.

>

> What makes me more angry is that I did not need to take ZYPREXA at all for my sleeping problem. I never really had insomnia, I had regular sleeping patterns all my life and only those " short-term " insomnia everyone has once in a while, you know those that everyone gets once in awhile due to stress or what not? What I mean is to elaborate is that for example, once in awhile i'd have insomnia for a few days or so, but something that would dissapear on its own....

>

> How i ended up taking zyprexa is during one of my sessions she askd me how my sleeping pattern was, and I told her I couldnt sleep around those days ( I was sleeping reguarly like said above BUT was having those normal short insomnia days that would go away)she then prescribed me ZYPLICONE( right spelling?), and me not knowing taking sleeping meds can really mess you up later, I started taking it around those nights I couldnt sleep..

>

> A few weeks later when I saw her again she told she was switching me over to ZYPREXA, b/c she claimed it helps you sleep well and helps a great deal with anxiety...I dont understand b/c why didnt she tell me go off zypiclone first and see if i could sleep without it first, instead of putting me immediately on zyprexa...If she had told me zyprexa would have horrible rebound insomnia after my last dose, i would have NEVER EVER taken this horrible drug

>

> ... It really makes me mad she NEVER told me anything about qutting these drugs and how it would mess your sleep up AFTER. And of course, back then when i hadnt done research on how coming off anti psychotic meds can mess your sleep, I took the med daily (2.5 mg)for about a year and a half...( medication that was totally unneeded, b/c I only had regular short term insomnia and not real insomnia)..So ya I basically took this sedating non-needed med for my socalled " insomnia " for so long...

>

> When i was on zyprexa, i was noticing that it was making me sleep ALOT, day and night..but i didnt know it was the med and thought i was just tired and sleeping alot. I didnt know UNTILL i finished my last dose of this med and my doc told me right after of finishing that quitting zyprexa could not make me sleep.

>

> ...she was right, after my last dose and 2 days later i could not sleep and i have been having horrible insomnia DAILY for 6 months now,soon after I started doing alot of research on zyprexa and found out how it was really sedating.It was then I realized my excessive sleep was due to the med and not b/c i was tired..

>

> The funny thing is when she asks me how my sleep is and i tellher about everything i wrote above, she just nodds and asks me if i want to go back on sleeping meds? HELLO, ARE U STUPID, THE MEDS ARE THE ONES THAT MESSED UP MY REGULAR SLEEP~ Sometimes I think about suing my doctor for never telling me about the withdrawl.I'd be really grateful if I can fix my sleep again..What makes it more painful is that I took this med that was NOT NEEDED AT ALL...=(

> If someone here can give me advice and help me out...

>

> THANK YOU SOOO MUCH!!!!

>

> Estelle>>

>

>

>    **  Hi Estelle,

>

>   You're asking for advice but you haven't asked any questions.  If you're looking for ways to deal with the sleep issue, all you can do is wait it out and take the best possible care of your body that you can.  Things like magnesium, Passionflower, and Sleepytime tea can all help to relax you.  It's just a fact that psychotropic drugs ruin sleep cycles.

>

>   You also want to make sure you eat a diet of whole, fresh foods and stay away from sugar and caffeine.  All these things will make you healthier and more able to heal.  The poorer your health, the longer it takes to recover from the assaults of the drugs.

>

>   You can read more in the files on some general foundational supplements that are helpful.

>

>   Another thing you can do though is to stop putting so much blame on your doctor.  It's important to face your own role in this so the same so the same mistakes aren't repeated.  The #1 reason people accept whatever it is their doctor gives them and takes it without looking into it first is because they want their discomfort fixed as quickly and painlessly as possible.  The reality is that this is why the majority of people here came here.

>

>      Had you taken the time to look up Zyprexa you would have found out it was an anti-psychotic drug.  Would you still have taken it?  Most likely yes.

>

>    I'm not picking on you.  People here will tell you that my main goal is to teach people.  This is something most need to learn when they come here. This is about not believing in quick fixes and in drugs for everything.  It's about caring about what you're putting in your body.

>

>     Interestingly, the things we need to learn are often brought into our lives giving us the opportunity to master what we're learning.  If you re-read what you wrote, most of it is complaining about being given the drug.  Research says that people complain  excessively  when they want someone else to take responsibility for what has happened.  But this doesn't really help people get well.  By taking responsibility for what happened you are indicating your willingness to become responsible for yourself and your health.  If this had occurred earlier in life, chances are you never would have taken Zyprexa.

>

>    You may have noticed that your post looks differently from how you sent it.  It was initially just one huge block of text with no space at all between sentences or paragraphs.  It is just about impossible to read that way if a person is a fast reader.  I edited it by creating paragraphs.  All you need to do is hit the ENTER key twice after every 4 or 5 sentences.  That way, people can read it.   After I let people know, it is up to them to format a post so it is readable.  If you forget and send another like this, I won't reformat it but I will remind you to do it.

>

>   So, be kind and loving to yourself, fortify your body, and own your actions.  Nobody can take care of you better than you can take care of yourself.

>

> Regards,

>

>

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what Cathrine said , 12 month survivor off psyche meds 

 

  **   Hi Lib5,   You may not understand my point.  It is much more difficult to " mislead " a person who has done their " homework " .  It is imperative that people know this and engrave it in their minds.  We have the ease of the Internet.  There are no excuses for not looking up drugs prescribed or mentioned by a physician.  Actually, prior to the Internet, I was still saying people had to educate themselves. on prescription drugs.  Most communities have public libraries for this.

  It is also important for people to understand that complaining gets in the way of healing.  Complaining also creates energy blockages. This interferes in healing.   One cannot move forward while focusing on what's behind you.  The only way to make something useful from it is to learn the lesson of taking complete responsibility for what one puts in her/his body.

  I am certain that the people who have been here long enough to hear me talk about the role one's mindset plays in recovery will tell you that while what I say sounds tough, it is crucial to say it.  

Regards,

Hi Estelle,

I fully understand where you are coming from.

I was mistreated by the GP and the Pshyc. After being made to be reliant on them ending with a cocktail of drugs. I painfully sustained the side effects which they denied. They refused to reduce my meds until eventually against there advice I reduced and finally came off.

I then suffered withdrawals that they denied. Their treatment to me was barbaric. I found when I looked at my medical records, what they had been treating me for which I did not have and have proven along with many other discrepancies of their arrogance and in there writing on my files.

I made an official complaint on all counts.

I at no point blame myself for their barbaric treatment and when they realised that they were making me ill they denied it because they were worried about litigation and tried with all their might to keep me on these drugs that incapacitated me and made me suffer and which I did not need, horrendously with side effects. That is barbaric. Any one who knows me will tell you that it was the medical profession that was at fault. They have seen my transformation and how well I am now.

I was however left with insomnia but have now overcome that.

I can see that you are just explaining yourself and that you are asking for help for the sleep problem.

Withdrawal can take a long time as the body is going through change.

Sleep: I found that quite from 8pm in the evening. No phone calls, no TV, no stimulant drinks, and to be quite and unwind. Have a darkened bedroom. No TV or computer just a bedroom used only to sleep. Ear plugs. If possible try to find someone to talk to quietly about your situation.

It took some time to be able to sleep (the insomnia was caused by the drugs) but I have achieved my goal and now go off to sleep and stay asleep all night. Amazing

I also go to church and had people pray for me as well as praying for myself this has been a major factor in all I have been through.

Best wishes to you and I am sure you will achieve your goal.

Bless you

>

> [Reformatted to be more readable by ]

>

> [My comments marked with ** . --]

>

> Hello and everyone else on board,

>

> I discontinued zyprexa because I was finding that it was making me gain weight and plus I found that it wasn't doing much for the " anxiety " either. My psych told me to quit taking the 2.5 mg cold turkey, she told me it was COMPLETELY fine...I did exactly what she asked me to do.

>

> .I am currently on Celexa 15mg daily (I was on 40 mg, but slowly discontinuing)I am actually REALLY angry at my psych for totally messing up my sleeping rhythm..I am suffering ALOT because of being sleep depreived daily.

>

> What makes me more angry is that I did not need to take ZYPREXA at all for my sleeping problem. I never really had insomnia, I had regular sleeping patterns all my life and only those " short-term " insomnia everyone has once in a while, you know those that everyone gets once in awhile due to stress or what not? What I mean is to elaborate is that for example, once in awhile i'd have insomnia for a few days or so, but something that would dissapear on its own....

>

> How i ended up taking zyprexa is during one of my sessions she askd me how my sleeping pattern was, and I told her I couldnt sleep around those days ( I was sleeping reguarly like said above BUT was having those normal short insomnia days that would go away)she then prescribed me ZYPLICONE( right spelling?), and me not knowing taking sleeping meds can really mess you up later, I started taking it around those nights I couldnt sleep..

>

> A few weeks later when I saw her again she told she was switching me over to ZYPREXA, b/c she claimed it helps you sleep well and helps a great deal with anxiety...I dont understand b/c why didnt she tell me go off zypiclone first and see if i could sleep without it first, instead of putting me immediately on zyprexa...If she had told me zyprexa would have horrible rebound insomnia after my last dose, i would have NEVER EVER taken this horrible drug

>

> ... It really makes me mad she NEVER told me anything about qutting these drugs and how it would mess your sleep up AFTER. And of course, back then when i hadnt done research on how coming off anti psychotic meds can mess your sleep, I took the med daily (2.5 mg)for about a year and a half...( medication that was totally unneeded, b/c I only had regular short term insomnia and not real insomnia)..So ya I basically took this sedating non-needed med for my socalled " insomnia " for so long...

>

> When i was on zyprexa, i was noticing that it was making me sleep ALOT, day and night..but i didnt know it was the med and thought i was just tired and sleeping alot. I didnt know UNTILL i finished my last dose of this med and my doc told me right after of finishing that quitting zyprexa could not make me sleep.

>

> ...she was right, after my last dose and 2 days later i could not sleep and i have been having horrible insomnia DAILY for 6 months now,soon after I started doing alot of research on zyprexa and found out how it was really sedating.It was then I realized my excessive sleep was due to the med and not b/c i was tired..

>

> The funny thing is when she asks me how my sleep is and i tellher about everything i wrote above, she just nodds and asks me if i want to go back on sleeping meds? HELLO, ARE U STUPID, THE MEDS ARE THE ONES THAT MESSED UP MY REGULAR SLEEP~ Sometimes I think about suing my doctor for never telling me about the withdrawl.I'd be really grateful if I can fix my sleep again..What makes it more painful is that I took this med that was NOT NEEDED AT ALL...=(

> If someone here can give me advice and help me out...

>

> THANK YOU SOOO MUCH!!!!

>

> Estelle>>

>

>

>    **  Hi Estelle,

>

>   You're asking for advice but you haven't asked any questions.  If you're looking for ways to deal with the sleep issue, all you can do is wait it out and take the best possible care of your body that you can.  Things like magnesium, Passionflower, and Sleepytime tea can all help to relax you.  It's just a fact that psychotropic drugs ruin sleep cycles.

>

>   You also want to make sure you eat a diet of whole, fresh foods and stay away from sugar and caffeine.  All these things will make you healthier and more able to heal.  The poorer your health, the longer it takes to recover from the assaults of the drugs.

>

>   You can read more in the files on some general foundational supplements that are helpful.

>

>   Another thing you can do though is to stop putting so much blame on your doctor.  It's important to face your own role in this so the same so the same mistakes aren't repeated.  The #1 reason people accept whatever it is their doctor gives them and takes it without looking into it first is because they want their discomfort fixed as quickly and painlessly as possible.  The reality is that this is why the majority of people here came here.

>

>      Had you taken the time to look up Zyprexa you would have found out it was an anti-psychotic drug.  Would you still have taken it?  Most likely yes.

>

>    I'm not picking on you.  People here will tell you that my main goal is to teach people.  This is something most need to learn when they come here. This is about not believing in quick fixes and in drugs for everything.  It's about caring about what you're putting in your body.

>

>     Interestingly, the things we need to learn are often brought into our lives giving us the opportunity to master what we're learning.  If you re-read what you wrote, most of it is complaining about being given the drug.  Research says that people complain  excessively  when they want someone else to take responsibility for what has happened.  But this doesn't really help people get well.  By taking responsibility for what happened you are indicating your willingness to become responsible for yourself and your health.  If this had occurred earlier in life, chances are you never would have taken Zyprexa.

>

>    You may have noticed that your post looks differently from how you sent it.  It was initially just one huge block of text with no space at all between sentences or paragraphs.  It is just about impossible to read that way if a person is a fast reader.  I edited it by creating paragraphs.  All you need to do is hit the ENTER key twice after every 4 or 5 sentences.  That way, people can read it.   After I let people know, it is up to them to format a post so it is readable.  If you forget and send another like this, I won't reformat it but I will remind you to do it.

>

>   So, be kind and loving to yourself, fortify your body, and own your actions.  Nobody can take care of you better than you can take care of yourself.

>

> Regards,

>

>

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what Cathrine said , 12 month survivor off psyche meds 

 

  **   Hi Lib5,   You may not understand my point.  It is much more difficult to " mislead " a person who has done their " homework " .  It is imperative that people know this and engrave it in their minds.  We have the ease of the Internet.  There are no excuses for not looking up drugs prescribed or mentioned by a physician.  Actually, prior to the Internet, I was still saying people had to educate themselves. on prescription drugs.  Most communities have public libraries for this.

  It is also important for people to understand that complaining gets in the way of healing.  Complaining also creates energy blockages. This interferes in healing.   One cannot move forward while focusing on what's behind you.  The only way to make something useful from it is to learn the lesson of taking complete responsibility for what one puts in her/his body.

  I am certain that the people who have been here long enough to hear me talk about the role one's mindset plays in recovery will tell you that while what I say sounds tough, it is crucial to say it.  

Regards,

Hi Estelle,

I fully understand where you are coming from.

I was mistreated by the GP and the Pshyc. After being made to be reliant on them ending with a cocktail of drugs. I painfully sustained the side effects which they denied. They refused to reduce my meds until eventually against there advice I reduced and finally came off.

I then suffered withdrawals that they denied. Their treatment to me was barbaric. I found when I looked at my medical records, what they had been treating me for which I did not have and have proven along with many other discrepancies of their arrogance and in there writing on my files.

I made an official complaint on all counts.

I at no point blame myself for their barbaric treatment and when they realised that they were making me ill they denied it because they were worried about litigation and tried with all their might to keep me on these drugs that incapacitated me and made me suffer and which I did not need, horrendously with side effects. That is barbaric. Any one who knows me will tell you that it was the medical profession that was at fault. They have seen my transformation and how well I am now.

I was however left with insomnia but have now overcome that.

I can see that you are just explaining yourself and that you are asking for help for the sleep problem.

Withdrawal can take a long time as the body is going through change.

Sleep: I found that quite from 8pm in the evening. No phone calls, no TV, no stimulant drinks, and to be quite and unwind. Have a darkened bedroom. No TV or computer just a bedroom used only to sleep. Ear plugs. If possible try to find someone to talk to quietly about your situation.

It took some time to be able to sleep (the insomnia was caused by the drugs) but I have achieved my goal and now go off to sleep and stay asleep all night. Amazing

I also go to church and had people pray for me as well as praying for myself this has been a major factor in all I have been through.

Best wishes to you and I am sure you will achieve your goal.

Bless you

>

> [Reformatted to be more readable by ]

>

> [My comments marked with ** . --]

>

> Hello and everyone else on board,

>

> I discontinued zyprexa because I was finding that it was making me gain weight and plus I found that it wasn't doing much for the " anxiety " either. My psych told me to quit taking the 2.5 mg cold turkey, she told me it was COMPLETELY fine...I did exactly what she asked me to do.

>

> .I am currently on Celexa 15mg daily (I was on 40 mg, but slowly discontinuing)I am actually REALLY angry at my psych for totally messing up my sleeping rhythm..I am suffering ALOT because of being sleep depreived daily.

>

> What makes me more angry is that I did not need to take ZYPREXA at all for my sleeping problem. I never really had insomnia, I had regular sleeping patterns all my life and only those " short-term " insomnia everyone has once in a while, you know those that everyone gets once in awhile due to stress or what not? What I mean is to elaborate is that for example, once in awhile i'd have insomnia for a few days or so, but something that would dissapear on its own....

>

> How i ended up taking zyprexa is during one of my sessions she askd me how my sleeping pattern was, and I told her I couldnt sleep around those days ( I was sleeping reguarly like said above BUT was having those normal short insomnia days that would go away)she then prescribed me ZYPLICONE( right spelling?), and me not knowing taking sleeping meds can really mess you up later, I started taking it around those nights I couldnt sleep..

>

> A few weeks later when I saw her again she told she was switching me over to ZYPREXA, b/c she claimed it helps you sleep well and helps a great deal with anxiety...I dont understand b/c why didnt she tell me go off zypiclone first and see if i could sleep without it first, instead of putting me immediately on zyprexa...If she had told me zyprexa would have horrible rebound insomnia after my last dose, i would have NEVER EVER taken this horrible drug

>

> ... It really makes me mad she NEVER told me anything about qutting these drugs and how it would mess your sleep up AFTER. And of course, back then when i hadnt done research on how coming off anti psychotic meds can mess your sleep, I took the med daily (2.5 mg)for about a year and a half...( medication that was totally unneeded, b/c I only had regular short term insomnia and not real insomnia)..So ya I basically took this sedating non-needed med for my socalled " insomnia " for so long...

>

> When i was on zyprexa, i was noticing that it was making me sleep ALOT, day and night..but i didnt know it was the med and thought i was just tired and sleeping alot. I didnt know UNTILL i finished my last dose of this med and my doc told me right after of finishing that quitting zyprexa could not make me sleep.

>

> ...she was right, after my last dose and 2 days later i could not sleep and i have been having horrible insomnia DAILY for 6 months now,soon after I started doing alot of research on zyprexa and found out how it was really sedating.It was then I realized my excessive sleep was due to the med and not b/c i was tired..

>

> The funny thing is when she asks me how my sleep is and i tellher about everything i wrote above, she just nodds and asks me if i want to go back on sleeping meds? HELLO, ARE U STUPID, THE MEDS ARE THE ONES THAT MESSED UP MY REGULAR SLEEP~ Sometimes I think about suing my doctor for never telling me about the withdrawl.I'd be really grateful if I can fix my sleep again..What makes it more painful is that I took this med that was NOT NEEDED AT ALL...=(

> If someone here can give me advice and help me out...

>

> THANK YOU SOOO MUCH!!!!

>

> Estelle>>

>

>

>    **  Hi Estelle,

>

>   You're asking for advice but you haven't asked any questions.  If you're looking for ways to deal with the sleep issue, all you can do is wait it out and take the best possible care of your body that you can.  Things like magnesium, Passionflower, and Sleepytime tea can all help to relax you.  It's just a fact that psychotropic drugs ruin sleep cycles.

>

>   You also want to make sure you eat a diet of whole, fresh foods and stay away from sugar and caffeine.  All these things will make you healthier and more able to heal.  The poorer your health, the longer it takes to recover from the assaults of the drugs.

>

>   You can read more in the files on some general foundational supplements that are helpful.

>

>   Another thing you can do though is to stop putting so much blame on your doctor.  It's important to face your own role in this so the same so the same mistakes aren't repeated.  The #1 reason people accept whatever it is their doctor gives them and takes it without looking into it first is because they want their discomfort fixed as quickly and painlessly as possible.  The reality is that this is why the majority of people here came here.

>

>      Had you taken the time to look up Zyprexa you would have found out it was an anti-psychotic drug.  Would you still have taken it?  Most likely yes.

>

>    I'm not picking on you.  People here will tell you that my main goal is to teach people.  This is something most need to learn when they come here. This is about not believing in quick fixes and in drugs for everything.  It's about caring about what you're putting in your body.

>

>     Interestingly, the things we need to learn are often brought into our lives giving us the opportunity to master what we're learning.  If you re-read what you wrote, most of it is complaining about being given the drug.  Research says that people complain  excessively  when they want someone else to take responsibility for what has happened.  But this doesn't really help people get well.  By taking responsibility for what happened you are indicating your willingness to become responsible for yourself and your health.  If this had occurred earlier in life, chances are you never would have taken Zyprexa.

>

>    You may have noticed that your post looks differently from how you sent it.  It was initially just one huge block of text with no space at all between sentences or paragraphs.  It is just about impossible to read that way if a person is a fast reader.  I edited it by creating paragraphs.  All you need to do is hit the ENTER key twice after every 4 or 5 sentences.  That way, people can read it.   After I let people know, it is up to them to format a post so it is readable.  If you forget and send another like this, I won't reformat it but I will remind you to do it.

>

>   So, be kind and loving to yourself, fortify your body, and own your actions.  Nobody can take care of you better than you can take care of yourself.

>

> Regards,

>

>

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i takes a long time to get sleep pattern again once off Psyche meds it is NOT you it is the barbaric psyche meds 

 

Hi Estelle,

I fully understand where you are coming from.

I was mistreated by the GP and the Pshyc. After being made to be reliant on them ending with a cocktail of drugs. I painfully sustained the side effects which they denied. They refused to reduce my meds until eventually against there advice I reduced and finally came off.

I then suffered withdrawals that they denied. Their treatment to me was barbaric. I found when I looked at my medical records, what they had been treating me for which I did not have and have proven along with many other discrepancies of their arrogance and in there writing on my files.

I made an official complaint on all counts.

I at no point blame myself for their barbaric treatment and when they realised that they were making me ill they denied it because they were worried about litigation and tried with all their might to keep me on these drugs that incapacitated me and made me suffer and which I did not need, horrendously with side effects. That is barbaric. Any one who knows me will tell you that it was the medical profession that was at fault. They have seen my transformation and how well I am now.

I was however left with insomnia but have now overcome that.

I can see that you are just explaining yourself and that you are asking for help for the sleep problem.

Withdrawal can take a long time as the body is going through change.

Sleep: I found that quite from 8pm in the evening. No phone calls, no TV, no stimulant drinks, and to be quite and unwind. Have a darkened bedroom. No TV or computer just a bedroom used only to sleep. Ear plugs. If possible try to find someone to talk to quietly about your situation.

It took some time to be able to sleep (the insomnia was caused by the drugs) but I have achieved my goal and now go off to sleep and stay asleep all night. Amazing

I also go to church and had people pray for me as well as praying for myself this has been a major factor in all I have been through.

Best wishes to you and I am sure you will achieve your goal.

Bless you

>

> [Reformatted to be more readable by ]

>

> [My comments marked with ** . --]

>

> Hello and everyone else on board,

>

> I discontinued zyprexa because I was finding that it was making me gain weight and plus I found that it wasn't doing much for the " anxiety " either. My psych told me to quit taking the 2.5 mg cold turkey, she told me it was COMPLETELY fine...I did exactly what she asked me to do.

>

> .I am currently on Celexa 15mg daily (I was on 40 mg, but slowly discontinuing)I am actually REALLY angry at my psych for totally messing up my sleeping rhythm..I am suffering ALOT because of being sleep depreived daily.

>

> What makes me more angry is that I did not need to take ZYPREXA at all for my sleeping problem. I never really had insomnia, I had regular sleeping patterns all my life and only those " short-term " insomnia everyone has once in a while, you know those that everyone gets once in awhile due to stress or what not? What I mean is to elaborate is that for example, once in awhile i'd have insomnia for a few days or so, but something that would dissapear on its own....

>

> How i ended up taking zyprexa is during one of my sessions she askd me how my sleeping pattern was, and I told her I couldnt sleep around those days ( I was sleeping reguarly like said above BUT was having those normal short insomnia days that would go away)she then prescribed me ZYPLICONE( right spelling?), and me not knowing taking sleeping meds can really mess you up later, I started taking it around those nights I couldnt sleep..

>

> A few weeks later when I saw her again she told she was switching me over to ZYPREXA, b/c she claimed it helps you sleep well and helps a great deal with anxiety...I dont understand b/c why didnt she tell me go off zypiclone first and see if i could sleep without it first, instead of putting me immediately on zyprexa...If she had told me zyprexa would have horrible rebound insomnia after my last dose, i would have NEVER EVER taken this horrible drug

>

> ... It really makes me mad she NEVER told me anything about qutting these drugs and how it would mess your sleep up AFTER. And of course, back then when i hadnt done research on how coming off anti psychotic meds can mess your sleep, I took the med daily (2.5 mg)for about a year and a half...( medication that was totally unneeded, b/c I only had regular short term insomnia and not real insomnia)..So ya I basically took this sedating non-needed med for my socalled " insomnia " for so long...

>

> When i was on zyprexa, i was noticing that it was making me sleep ALOT, day and night..but i didnt know it was the med and thought i was just tired and sleeping alot. I didnt know UNTILL i finished my last dose of this med and my doc told me right after of finishing that quitting zyprexa could not make me sleep.

>

> ...she was right, after my last dose and 2 days later i could not sleep and i have been having horrible insomnia DAILY for 6 months now,soon after I started doing alot of research on zyprexa and found out how it was really sedating.It was then I realized my excessive sleep was due to the med and not b/c i was tired..

>

> The funny thing is when she asks me how my sleep is and i tellher about everything i wrote above, she just nodds and asks me if i want to go back on sleeping meds? HELLO, ARE U STUPID, THE MEDS ARE THE ONES THAT MESSED UP MY REGULAR SLEEP~ Sometimes I think about suing my doctor for never telling me about the withdrawl.I'd be really grateful if I can fix my sleep again..What makes it more painful is that I took this med that was NOT NEEDED AT ALL...=(

> If someone here can give me advice and help me out...

>

> THANK YOU SOOO MUCH!!!!

>

> Estelle>>

>

>

> ** Hi Estelle,

>

> You're asking for advice but you haven't asked any questions. If you're looking for ways to deal with the sleep issue, all you can do is wait it out and take the best possible care of your body that you can. Things like magnesium, Passionflower, and Sleepytime tea can all help to relax you. It's just a fact that psychotropic drugs ruin sleep cycles.

>

> You also want to make sure you eat a diet of whole, fresh foods and stay away from sugar and caffeine. All these things will make you healthier and more able to heal. The poorer your health, the longer it takes to recover from the assaults of the drugs.

>

> You can read more in the files on some general foundational supplements that are helpful.

>

> Another thing you can do though is to stop putting so much blame on your doctor. It's important to face your own role in this so the same so the same mistakes aren't repeated. The #1 reason people accept whatever it is their doctor gives them and takes it without looking into it first is because they want their discomfort fixed as quickly and painlessly as possible. The reality is that this is why the majority of people here came here.

>

> Had you taken the time to look up Zyprexa you would have found out it was an anti-psychotic drug. Would you still have taken it? Most likely yes.

>

> I'm not picking on you. People here will tell you that my main goal is to teach people. This is something most need to learn when they come here. This is about not believing in quick fixes and in drugs for everything. It's about caring about what you're putting in your body.

>

> Interestingly, the things we need to learn are often brought into our lives giving us the opportunity to master what we're learning. If you re-read what you wrote, most of it is complaining about being given the drug. Research says that people complain excessively when they want someone else to take responsibility for what has happened. But this doesn't really help people get well. By taking responsibility for what happened you are indicating your willingness to become responsible for yourself and your health. If this had occurred earlier in life, chances are you never would have taken Zyprexa.

>

> You may have noticed that your post looks differently from how you sent it. It was initially just one huge block of text with no space at all between sentences or paragraphs. It is just about impossible to read that way if a person is a fast reader. I edited it by creating paragraphs. All you need to do is hit the ENTER key twice after every 4 or 5 sentences. That way, people can read it. After I let people know, it is up to them to format a post so it is readable. If you forget and send another like this, I won't reformat it but I will remind you to do it.

>

> So, be kind and loving to yourself, fortify your body, and own your actions. Nobody can take care of you better than you can take care of yourself.

>

> Regards,

>

>

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i takes a long time to get sleep pattern again once off Psyche meds it is NOT you it is the barbaric psyche meds 

 

Hi Estelle,

I fully understand where you are coming from.

I was mistreated by the GP and the Pshyc. After being made to be reliant on them ending with a cocktail of drugs. I painfully sustained the side effects which they denied. They refused to reduce my meds until eventually against there advice I reduced and finally came off.

I then suffered withdrawals that they denied. Their treatment to me was barbaric. I found when I looked at my medical records, what they had been treating me for which I did not have and have proven along with many other discrepancies of their arrogance and in there writing on my files.

I made an official complaint on all counts.

I at no point blame myself for their barbaric treatment and when they realised that they were making me ill they denied it because they were worried about litigation and tried with all their might to keep me on these drugs that incapacitated me and made me suffer and which I did not need, horrendously with side effects. That is barbaric. Any one who knows me will tell you that it was the medical profession that was at fault. They have seen my transformation and how well I am now.

I was however left with insomnia but have now overcome that.

I can see that you are just explaining yourself and that you are asking for help for the sleep problem.

Withdrawal can take a long time as the body is going through change.

Sleep: I found that quite from 8pm in the evening. No phone calls, no TV, no stimulant drinks, and to be quite and unwind. Have a darkened bedroom. No TV or computer just a bedroom used only to sleep. Ear plugs. If possible try to find someone to talk to quietly about your situation.

It took some time to be able to sleep (the insomnia was caused by the drugs) but I have achieved my goal and now go off to sleep and stay asleep all night. Amazing

I also go to church and had people pray for me as well as praying for myself this has been a major factor in all I have been through.

Best wishes to you and I am sure you will achieve your goal.

Bless you

>

> [Reformatted to be more readable by ]

>

> [My comments marked with ** . --]

>

> Hello and everyone else on board,

>

> I discontinued zyprexa because I was finding that it was making me gain weight and plus I found that it wasn't doing much for the " anxiety " either. My psych told me to quit taking the 2.5 mg cold turkey, she told me it was COMPLETELY fine...I did exactly what she asked me to do.

>

> .I am currently on Celexa 15mg daily (I was on 40 mg, but slowly discontinuing)I am actually REALLY angry at my psych for totally messing up my sleeping rhythm..I am suffering ALOT because of being sleep depreived daily.

>

> What makes me more angry is that I did not need to take ZYPREXA at all for my sleeping problem. I never really had insomnia, I had regular sleeping patterns all my life and only those " short-term " insomnia everyone has once in a while, you know those that everyone gets once in awhile due to stress or what not? What I mean is to elaborate is that for example, once in awhile i'd have insomnia for a few days or so, but something that would dissapear on its own....

>

> How i ended up taking zyprexa is during one of my sessions she askd me how my sleeping pattern was, and I told her I couldnt sleep around those days ( I was sleeping reguarly like said above BUT was having those normal short insomnia days that would go away)she then prescribed me ZYPLICONE( right spelling?), and me not knowing taking sleeping meds can really mess you up later, I started taking it around those nights I couldnt sleep..

>

> A few weeks later when I saw her again she told she was switching me over to ZYPREXA, b/c she claimed it helps you sleep well and helps a great deal with anxiety...I dont understand b/c why didnt she tell me go off zypiclone first and see if i could sleep without it first, instead of putting me immediately on zyprexa...If she had told me zyprexa would have horrible rebound insomnia after my last dose, i would have NEVER EVER taken this horrible drug

>

> ... It really makes me mad she NEVER told me anything about qutting these drugs and how it would mess your sleep up AFTER. And of course, back then when i hadnt done research on how coming off anti psychotic meds can mess your sleep, I took the med daily (2.5 mg)for about a year and a half...( medication that was totally unneeded, b/c I only had regular short term insomnia and not real insomnia)..So ya I basically took this sedating non-needed med for my socalled " insomnia " for so long...

>

> When i was on zyprexa, i was noticing that it was making me sleep ALOT, day and night..but i didnt know it was the med and thought i was just tired and sleeping alot. I didnt know UNTILL i finished my last dose of this med and my doc told me right after of finishing that quitting zyprexa could not make me sleep.

>

> ...she was right, after my last dose and 2 days later i could not sleep and i have been having horrible insomnia DAILY for 6 months now,soon after I started doing alot of research on zyprexa and found out how it was really sedating.It was then I realized my excessive sleep was due to the med and not b/c i was tired..

>

> The funny thing is when she asks me how my sleep is and i tellher about everything i wrote above, she just nodds and asks me if i want to go back on sleeping meds? HELLO, ARE U STUPID, THE MEDS ARE THE ONES THAT MESSED UP MY REGULAR SLEEP~ Sometimes I think about suing my doctor for never telling me about the withdrawl.I'd be really grateful if I can fix my sleep again..What makes it more painful is that I took this med that was NOT NEEDED AT ALL...=(

> If someone here can give me advice and help me out...

>

> THANK YOU SOOO MUCH!!!!

>

> Estelle>>

>

>

> ** Hi Estelle,

>

> You're asking for advice but you haven't asked any questions. If you're looking for ways to deal with the sleep issue, all you can do is wait it out and take the best possible care of your body that you can. Things like magnesium, Passionflower, and Sleepytime tea can all help to relax you. It's just a fact that psychotropic drugs ruin sleep cycles.

>

> You also want to make sure you eat a diet of whole, fresh foods and stay away from sugar and caffeine. All these things will make you healthier and more able to heal. The poorer your health, the longer it takes to recover from the assaults of the drugs.

>

> You can read more in the files on some general foundational supplements that are helpful.

>

> Another thing you can do though is to stop putting so much blame on your doctor. It's important to face your own role in this so the same so the same mistakes aren't repeated. The #1 reason people accept whatever it is their doctor gives them and takes it without looking into it first is because they want their discomfort fixed as quickly and painlessly as possible. The reality is that this is why the majority of people here came here.

>

> Had you taken the time to look up Zyprexa you would have found out it was an anti-psychotic drug. Would you still have taken it? Most likely yes.

>

> I'm not picking on you. People here will tell you that my main goal is to teach people. This is something most need to learn when they come here. This is about not believing in quick fixes and in drugs for everything. It's about caring about what you're putting in your body.

>

> Interestingly, the things we need to learn are often brought into our lives giving us the opportunity to master what we're learning. If you re-read what you wrote, most of it is complaining about being given the drug. Research says that people complain excessively when they want someone else to take responsibility for what has happened. But this doesn't really help people get well. By taking responsibility for what happened you are indicating your willingness to become responsible for yourself and your health. If this had occurred earlier in life, chances are you never would have taken Zyprexa.

>

> You may have noticed that your post looks differently from how you sent it. It was initially just one huge block of text with no space at all between sentences or paragraphs. It is just about impossible to read that way if a person is a fast reader. I edited it by creating paragraphs. All you need to do is hit the ENTER key twice after every 4 or 5 sentences. That way, people can read it. After I let people know, it is up to them to format a post so it is readable. If you forget and send another like this, I won't reformat it but I will remind you to do it.

>

> So, be kind and loving to yourself, fortify your body, and own your actions. Nobody can take care of you better than you can take care of yourself.

>

> Regards,

>

>

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Hi Libb5

Yes,I fully understand where you are coming from, too...

It must have been so hard for you having to take drugs that were not needed at

all, it was the doctors faults for having mistreated you and putting you on

un-needed medications, they're doctors, they should know better about the

persons health...It must have been hell..But I'm glad your doing much better and

I thank you for your advice,

God Bless you too.

Estelle

> >

> > [Reformatted to be more readable by ]

> >

> > [My comments marked with ** . --]

> >

> > Hello and everyone else on board,

> >

> > I discontinued zyprexa because I was finding that it was making me gain

weight and plus I found that it wasn't doing much for the " anxiety " either. My

psych told me to quit taking the 2.5 mg cold turkey, she told me it was

COMPLETELY fine...I did exactly what she asked me to do.

> >

> > .I am currently on Celexa 15mg daily (I was on 40 mg, but slowly

discontinuing)I am actually REALLY angry at my psych for totally messing up my

sleeping rhythm..I am suffering ALOT because of being sleep depreived daily.

> >

> > What makes me more angry is that I did not need to take ZYPREXA at all for

my sleeping problem. I never really had insomnia, I had regular sleeping

patterns all my life and only those " short-term " insomnia everyone has once in a

while, you know those that everyone gets once in awhile due to stress or what

not? What I mean is to elaborate is that for example, once in awhile i'd have

insomnia for a few days or so, but something that would dissapear on its own....

> >

> > How i ended up taking zyprexa is during one of my sessions she askd me how

my sleeping pattern was, and I told her I couldnt sleep around those days ( I

was sleeping reguarly like said above BUT was having those normal short insomnia

days that would go away)she then prescribed me ZYPLICONE( right spelling?), and

me not knowing taking sleeping meds can really mess you up later, I started

taking it around those nights I couldnt sleep..

> >

> > A few weeks later when I saw her again she told she was switching me over to

ZYPREXA, b/c she claimed it helps you sleep well and helps a great deal with

anxiety...I dont understand b/c why didnt she tell me go off zypiclone first and

see if i could sleep without it first, instead of putting me immediately on

zyprexa...If she had told me zyprexa would have horrible rebound insomnia after

my last dose, i would have NEVER EVER taken this horrible drug

> >

> > ... It really makes me mad she NEVER told me anything about qutting these

drugs and how it would mess your sleep up AFTER. And of course, back then when i

hadnt done research on how coming off anti psychotic meds can mess your sleep, I

took the med daily (2.5 mg)for about a year and a half...( medication that was

totally unneeded, b/c I only had regular short term insomnia and not real

insomnia)..So ya I basically took this sedating non-needed med for my socalled

" insomnia " for so long...

> >

> > When i was on zyprexa, i was noticing that it was making me sleep ALOT, day

and night..but i didnt know it was the med and thought i was just tired and

sleeping alot. I didnt know UNTILL i finished my last dose of this med and my

doc told me right after of finishing that quitting zyprexa could not make me

sleep.

> >

> > ...she was right, after my last dose and 2 days later i could not sleep and

i have been having horrible insomnia DAILY for 6 months now,soon after I started

doing alot of research on zyprexa and found out how it was really sedating.It

was then I realized my excessive sleep was due to the med and not b/c i was

tired..

> >

> > The funny thing is when she asks me how my sleep is and i tellher about

everything i wrote above, she just nodds and asks me if i want to go back on

sleeping meds? HELLO, ARE U STUPID, THE MEDS ARE THE ONES THAT MESSED UP MY

REGULAR SLEEP~ Sometimes I think about suing my doctor for never telling me

about the withdrawl.I'd be really grateful if I can fix my sleep again..What

makes it more painful is that I took this med that was NOT NEEDED AT ALL...=(

> > If someone here can give me advice and help me out...

> >

> > THANK YOU SOOO MUCH!!!!

> >

> > Estelle>>

> >

> >

> > ** Hi Estelle,

> >

> > You're asking for advice but you haven't asked any questions. If you're

looking for ways to deal with the sleep issue, all you can do is wait it out and

take the best possible care of your body that you can. Things like magnesium,

Passionflower, and Sleepytime tea can all help to relax you. It's just a fact

that psychotropic drugs ruin sleep cycles.

> >

> > You also want to make sure you eat a diet of whole, fresh foods and stay

away from sugar and caffeine. All these things will make you healthier and more

able to heal. The poorer your health, the longer it takes to recover from the

assaults of the drugs.

> >

> > You can read more in the files on some general foundational supplements

that are helpful.

> >

> > Another thing you can do though is to stop putting so much blame on your

doctor. It's important to face your own role in this so the same so the same

mistakes aren't repeated. The #1 reason people accept whatever it is their

doctor gives them and takes it without looking into it first is because they

want their discomfort fixed as quickly and painlessly as possible. The reality

is that this is why the majority of people here came here.

> >

> > Had you taken the time to look up Zyprexa you would have found out it

was an anti-psychotic drug. Would you still have taken it? Most likely yes.

> >

> > I'm not picking on you. People here will tell you that my main goal is

to teach people. This is something most need to learn when they come here. This

is about not believing in quick fixes and in drugs for everything. It's about

caring about what you're putting in your body.

> >

> > Interestingly, the things we need to learn are often brought into our

lives giving us the opportunity to master what we're learning. If you re-read

what you wrote, most of it is complaining about being given the drug. Research

says that people complain excessively when they want someone else to take

responsibility for what has happened. But this doesn't really help people get

well. By taking responsibility for what happened you are indicating your

willingness to become responsible for yourself and your health. If this had

occurred earlier in life, chances are you never would have taken Zyprexa.

> >

> > You may have noticed that your post looks differently from how you sent

it. It was initially just one huge block of text with no space at all between

sentences or paragraphs. It is just about impossible to read that way if a

person is a fast reader. I edited it by creating paragraphs. All you need to

do is hit the ENTER key twice after every 4 or 5 sentences. That way, people

can read it. After I let people know, it is up to them to format a post so it

is readable. If you forget and send another like this, I won't reformat it but

I will remind you to do it.

> >

> > So, be kind and loving to yourself, fortify your body, and own your

actions. Nobody can take care of you better than you can take care of yourself.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> >

>

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Hi Libb5

Yes,I fully understand where you are coming from, too...

It must have been so hard for you having to take drugs that were not needed at

all, it was the doctors faults for having mistreated you and putting you on

un-needed medications, they're doctors, they should know better about the

persons health...It must have been hell..But I'm glad your doing much better and

I thank you for your advice,

God Bless you too.

Estelle

> >

> > [Reformatted to be more readable by ]

> >

> > [My comments marked with ** . --]

> >

> > Hello and everyone else on board,

> >

> > I discontinued zyprexa because I was finding that it was making me gain

weight and plus I found that it wasn't doing much for the " anxiety " either. My

psych told me to quit taking the 2.5 mg cold turkey, she told me it was

COMPLETELY fine...I did exactly what she asked me to do.

> >

> > .I am currently on Celexa 15mg daily (I was on 40 mg, but slowly

discontinuing)I am actually REALLY angry at my psych for totally messing up my

sleeping rhythm..I am suffering ALOT because of being sleep depreived daily.

> >

> > What makes me more angry is that I did not need to take ZYPREXA at all for

my sleeping problem. I never really had insomnia, I had regular sleeping

patterns all my life and only those " short-term " insomnia everyone has once in a

while, you know those that everyone gets once in awhile due to stress or what

not? What I mean is to elaborate is that for example, once in awhile i'd have

insomnia for a few days or so, but something that would dissapear on its own....

> >

> > How i ended up taking zyprexa is during one of my sessions she askd me how

my sleeping pattern was, and I told her I couldnt sleep around those days ( I

was sleeping reguarly like said above BUT was having those normal short insomnia

days that would go away)she then prescribed me ZYPLICONE( right spelling?), and

me not knowing taking sleeping meds can really mess you up later, I started

taking it around those nights I couldnt sleep..

> >

> > A few weeks later when I saw her again she told she was switching me over to

ZYPREXA, b/c she claimed it helps you sleep well and helps a great deal with

anxiety...I dont understand b/c why didnt she tell me go off zypiclone first and

see if i could sleep without it first, instead of putting me immediately on

zyprexa...If she had told me zyprexa would have horrible rebound insomnia after

my last dose, i would have NEVER EVER taken this horrible drug

> >

> > ... It really makes me mad she NEVER told me anything about qutting these

drugs and how it would mess your sleep up AFTER. And of course, back then when i

hadnt done research on how coming off anti psychotic meds can mess your sleep, I

took the med daily (2.5 mg)for about a year and a half...( medication that was

totally unneeded, b/c I only had regular short term insomnia and not real

insomnia)..So ya I basically took this sedating non-needed med for my socalled

" insomnia " for so long...

> >

> > When i was on zyprexa, i was noticing that it was making me sleep ALOT, day

and night..but i didnt know it was the med and thought i was just tired and

sleeping alot. I didnt know UNTILL i finished my last dose of this med and my

doc told me right after of finishing that quitting zyprexa could not make me

sleep.

> >

> > ...she was right, after my last dose and 2 days later i could not sleep and

i have been having horrible insomnia DAILY for 6 months now,soon after I started

doing alot of research on zyprexa and found out how it was really sedating.It

was then I realized my excessive sleep was due to the med and not b/c i was

tired..

> >

> > The funny thing is when she asks me how my sleep is and i tellher about

everything i wrote above, she just nodds and asks me if i want to go back on

sleeping meds? HELLO, ARE U STUPID, THE MEDS ARE THE ONES THAT MESSED UP MY

REGULAR SLEEP~ Sometimes I think about suing my doctor for never telling me

about the withdrawl.I'd be really grateful if I can fix my sleep again..What

makes it more painful is that I took this med that was NOT NEEDED AT ALL...=(

> > If someone here can give me advice and help me out...

> >

> > THANK YOU SOOO MUCH!!!!

> >

> > Estelle>>

> >

> >

> > ** Hi Estelle,

> >

> > You're asking for advice but you haven't asked any questions. If you're

looking for ways to deal with the sleep issue, all you can do is wait it out and

take the best possible care of your body that you can. Things like magnesium,

Passionflower, and Sleepytime tea can all help to relax you. It's just a fact

that psychotropic drugs ruin sleep cycles.

> >

> > You also want to make sure you eat a diet of whole, fresh foods and stay

away from sugar and caffeine. All these things will make you healthier and more

able to heal. The poorer your health, the longer it takes to recover from the

assaults of the drugs.

> >

> > You can read more in the files on some general foundational supplements

that are helpful.

> >

> > Another thing you can do though is to stop putting so much blame on your

doctor. It's important to face your own role in this so the same so the same

mistakes aren't repeated. The #1 reason people accept whatever it is their

doctor gives them and takes it without looking into it first is because they

want their discomfort fixed as quickly and painlessly as possible. The reality

is that this is why the majority of people here came here.

> >

> > Had you taken the time to look up Zyprexa you would have found out it

was an anti-psychotic drug. Would you still have taken it? Most likely yes.

> >

> > I'm not picking on you. People here will tell you that my main goal is

to teach people. This is something most need to learn when they come here. This

is about not believing in quick fixes and in drugs for everything. It's about

caring about what you're putting in your body.

> >

> > Interestingly, the things we need to learn are often brought into our

lives giving us the opportunity to master what we're learning. If you re-read

what you wrote, most of it is complaining about being given the drug. Research

says that people complain excessively when they want someone else to take

responsibility for what has happened. But this doesn't really help people get

well. By taking responsibility for what happened you are indicating your

willingness to become responsible for yourself and your health. If this had

occurred earlier in life, chances are you never would have taken Zyprexa.

> >

> > You may have noticed that your post looks differently from how you sent

it. It was initially just one huge block of text with no space at all between

sentences or paragraphs. It is just about impossible to read that way if a

person is a fast reader. I edited it by creating paragraphs. All you need to

do is hit the ENTER key twice after every 4 or 5 sentences. That way, people

can read it. After I let people know, it is up to them to format a post so it

is readable. If you forget and send another like this, I won't reformat it but

I will remind you to do it.

> >

> > So, be kind and loving to yourself, fortify your body, and own your

actions. Nobody can take care of you better than you can take care of yourself.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> >

>

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