RE: HY-C with weak kidneys and stones (w/response)

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I started passing kidney stones in the early 1990's. And it seems that I pass

the stones when I am under a lot of stress for long periods. I have Crohn's

Disease and kidney stones are very common with Crohn's. I think I either passed

stones or had surgery about 8-10 times since the early 90's and my M.D. says I

produce them like gangbusters!

Around 2006 just before the latest surgery to remove a painful stone, I

discovered that I had very high blood pressure and that my kidneys were

functioning at 60% at that time due to hypertension. By 2009 the kidney

function went down to 35% and just recently increased to 40%. So now I need to

take 2 drugs for hypertension to keep my blood pressure at 120/60 or less.

I do get stressed out easily and I have tried many remedies that you suggested

such as Ashwaganda, L-theanine and Herbal Tinctures (like a combination of lemon

grass, passionflower, lavender and others) for anxiety but though they work well

in the beginning for anxiety and tension the effects do not last for more than

one week.

I do take .5 mg of clonazepam per day (sorry), but I would gladly stop if I

could find a natural remedy that lasts.

I continue to take calcium, Vitamin C and magnesium as you suggested once for

the stones (and anxiety) but I think with this lower functioning I may be doing

more harm to the kidneys than good, but I will continue taking these three

supplements if you think that they are still okay to take. I did hear a medical

doctor say that taking calcium supplements can contribute to kidney stones

simply because of the high concentration at one time, but I would rather follow

your advice.

So that's why I thought I might try the HY-C if you think it is safe in my

condition.

Thank You, Dolores>>

** Dolores, don't take any calcium at all (I rarely tell people to take

calcium). How much magnesium and Vit C are you taking and in what form?

Magnesium deficiency is the primary cause of kidney stones. The form you take

is important. Don't take magnesium oxide at all. We can discuss this more when

I find out exactly what type of magnesium and Vit C and amounts of each.

Just so everyone knows, if you are talking about anything you take,

pharmaceutical or otherwise, always include the exact type of drug (regular,

time-released, etc.), for supplements include the type of substance (there are

several types of magnesium as well as Vit C) and the dosage you take as you take

it (example: I take 250 mg. of magnesium citrate twice a day and 205 mg. of

magnesium sulphate once a day).

Just to complicate things a little more, when it comes to magnesium, the

only way you can tell how much magnesium you are actually taking is to look for

the amount of magnesium expressed as elemental magnesium. For example, you may

see Magnesium 400 mg on the front label of the bottle. But on the back label

you may note that magnesium is listed as " elemental magnesium -- 121 mg. "

I hope this is clearer than I think it is, lol.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I started passing kidney stones in the early 1990's. And it seems that I pass

the stones when I am under a lot of stress for long periods. I have Crohn's

Disease and kidney stones are very common with Crohn's. I think I either passed

stones or had surgery about 8-10 times since the early 90's and my M.D. says I

produce them like gangbusters!

Around 2006 just before the latest surgery to remove a painful stone, I

discovered that I had very high blood pressure and that my kidneys were

functioning at 60% at that time due to hypertension. By 2009 the kidney

function went down to 35% and just recently increased to 40%. So now I need to

take 2 drugs for hypertension to keep my blood pressure at 120/60 or less.

I do get stressed out easily and I have tried many remedies that you suggested

such as Ashwaganda, L-theanine and Herbal Tinctures (like a combination of lemon

grass, passionflower, lavender and others) for anxiety but though they work well

in the beginning for anxiety and tension the effects do not last for more than

one week.

I do take .5 mg of clonazepam per day (sorry), but I would gladly stop if I

could find a natural remedy that lasts.

I continue to take calcium, Vitamin C and magnesium as you suggested once for

the stones (and anxiety) but I think with this lower functioning I may be doing

more harm to the kidneys than good, but I will continue taking these three

supplements if you think that they are still okay to take. I did hear a medical

doctor say that taking calcium supplements can contribute to kidney stones

simply because of the high concentration at one time, but I would rather follow

your advice.

So that's why I thought I might try the HY-C if you think it is safe in my

condition.

Thank You, Dolores>>

** Dolores, don't take any calcium at all (I rarely tell people to take

calcium). How much magnesium and Vit C are you taking and in what form?

Magnesium deficiency is the primary cause of kidney stones. The form you take

is important. Don't take magnesium oxide at all. We can discuss this more when

I find out exactly what type of magnesium and Vit C and amounts of each.

Just so everyone knows, if you are talking about anything you take,

pharmaceutical or otherwise, always include the exact type of drug (regular,

time-released, etc.), for supplements include the type of substance (there are

several types of magnesium as well as Vit C) and the dosage you take as you take

it (example: I take 250 mg. of magnesium citrate twice a day and 205 mg. of

magnesium sulphate once a day).

Just to complicate things a little more, when it comes to magnesium, the

only way you can tell how much magnesium you are actually taking is to look for

the amount of magnesium expressed as elemental magnesium. For example, you may

see Magnesium 400 mg on the front label of the bottle. But on the back label

you may note that magnesium is listed as " elemental magnesium -- 121 mg. "

I hope this is clearer than I think it is, lol.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

Dolores writes:

<<Hi ,

To answer your questions:

1. I am taking one 150 mg capsule of Magnesium Citrate once a day since I'm not

sure how much to take with my kidney issues and the M.D.'s sure don't know

either. It's made by Natural Factors and simply reads Magnesium Citrate on the

front and back of the bottle.>>

** I'd increase the mag bit by bit. First, I'd add one more 150 mg dose.

After about a week, I'd add a 3rd dose. After I ran out of Natural Factor, I'd

buy Gillham's Calm Magnesium. This is a powder that allows you to titrate

the dose however you'd like.

<<2. I'm taking one 600 mg capsule of Ester-C Supreme by Sisu once a day (rather

than regular Vitamin C.) The list of ingredients is:

Vitamin C (calcium ascorbate) 600 mg

Arabinogalactan bark 100mg

Quercetin (fruit) 50 mg

Multianthocyanidins (berry/fruit) 50 mg>>

** I wouldn't use this as it is calcium-based. In fact, I'd stop it

immediately. I recommend Vitamin C Foundation's Vitamin C . Order the autoship

(can be changed at any time) and save $10 per order.

Dolores writes:

<<Yet another issue is that I started on a drug called Rocaltrol (synthetic

Vitamin D) and was told to take up to 600 mg of Calcium Citrate (but not

together) since the Rocaltrol would work better that way. This is to aid the

kidneys in functioning better.>>

** Oh, how brilliant our MDs are! I can't believe you were told this. It is

just the opposite. Supplemental calcium contributes to kidney stones of the

type you have. However, dietary calcium does not seem to cause this problem.

Why take a synthetic drug when you can get a natural-based supplement? The

answer is $$$.

While calcium is not going to help kidney stones, magnesium WILL help them.

It's a good idea for most people in this part of the world to take Vit D in the

winter and spring but synthetic Vit D is useless. With your condition, I'd keep

the Vit D lower than I would normally recommend and would get tested for it

before taking it at all. Perhaps It is the rare person in North America or

the UK who needs to supplement calcium. Being deficient in calcium doesn't mean

a person needs calcium. It is most often an indicator that a person needs

magnesium.

Dolores writes:

<<I find capsules or gel caps easier to absorb than tablets, but if you could

advise me as to amounts or types of magnesium, vitamin C or even calcium (now

that you know why I am taking it) you input would be very much appreciated. If

tablets are necessary I can always just crush them.

By the way, they are calcium oxalate stones.

Thanks once again, Dolores>>

** Both the mag and the Vit C I recommended are powders. If you end up

needing to supplement Vit D3, it comes as a liquid from Carlson's (prob.

available at Vitacost.com).

I know I should be used to it but I'm still in shock how foolish MDs can be.

Regards,

> To: withdrawal_and_recovery

> From: dolores323@...

> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 20:35:06 +0000

> Subject: RE: HY-C with weak kidneys and stones

(w/response)

>

> Hi ,

>

> I started passing kidney stones in the early 1990's. And it seems that I pass

the stones when I am under a lot of stress for long periods. I have Crohn's

Disease and kidney stones are very common with Crohn's. I think I either passed

stones or had surgery about 8-10 times since the early 90's and my M.D. says I

produce them like gangbusters!

>

> Around 2006 just before the latest surgery to remove a painful stone, I

discovered that I had very high blood pressure and that my kidneys were

functioning at 60% at that time due to hypertension. By 2009 the kidney

function went down to 35% and just recently increased to 40%. So now I need to

take 2 drugs for hypertension to keep my blood pressure at 120/60 or less.

>

> I do get stressed out easily and I have tried many remedies that you suggested

such as Ashwaganda, L-theanine and Herbal Tinctures (like a combination of lemon

grass, passionflower, lavender and others) for anxiety but though they work well

in the beginning for anxiety and tension the effects do not last for more than

one week.

>

> I do take .5 mg of clonazepam per day (sorry), but I would gladly stop if I

could find a natural remedy that lasts.

>

> I continue to take calcium, Vitamin C and magnesium as you suggested once for

the stones (and anxiety) but I think with this lower functioning I may be doing

more harm to the kidneys than good, but I will continue taking these three

supplements if you think that they are still okay to take. I did hear a medical

doctor say that taking calcium supplements can contribute to kidney stones

simply because of the high concentration at one time, but I would rather follow

your advice.

>

> So that's why I thought I might try the HY-C if you think it is safe in my

condition.

>

> Thank You, Dolores>>

>

>

> ** Dolores, don't take any calcium at all (I rarely tell people to take

calcium). How much magnesium and Vit C are you taking and in what form?

Magnesium deficiency is the primary cause of kidney stones. The form you take

is important. Don't take magnesium oxide at all. We can discuss this more when

I find out exactly what type of magnesium and Vit C and amounts of each.

>

> Just so everyone knows, if you are talking about anything you take,

pharmaceutical or otherwise, always include the exact type of drug (regular,

time-released, etc.), for supplements include the type of substance (there are

several types of magnesium as well as Vit C) and the dosage you take as you take

it (example: I take 250 mg. of magnesium citrate twice a day and 205 mg. of

magnesium sulphate once a day).

>

> Just to complicate things a little more, when it comes to magnesium, the

only way you can tell how much magnesium you are actually taking is to look for

the amount of magnesium expressed as elemental magnesium. For example, you may

see Magnesium 400 mg on the front label of the bottle. But on the back label

you may note that magnesium is listed as " elemental magnesium -- 121 mg. "

>

> I hope this is clearer than I think it is, lol.

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Dolores writes:

<<Hi ,

To answer your questions:

1. I am taking one 150 mg capsule of Magnesium Citrate once a day since I'm not

sure how much to take with my kidney issues and the M.D.'s sure don't know

either. It's made by Natural Factors and simply reads Magnesium Citrate on the

front and back of the bottle.>>

** I'd increase the mag bit by bit. First, I'd add one more 150 mg dose.

After about a week, I'd add a 3rd dose. After I ran out of Natural Factor, I'd

buy Gillham's Calm Magnesium. This is a powder that allows you to titrate

the dose however you'd like.

<<2. I'm taking one 600 mg capsule of Ester-C Supreme by Sisu once a day (rather

than regular Vitamin C.) The list of ingredients is:

Vitamin C (calcium ascorbate) 600 mg

Arabinogalactan bark 100mg

Quercetin (fruit) 50 mg

Multianthocyanidins (berry/fruit) 50 mg>>

** I wouldn't use this as it is calcium-based. In fact, I'd stop it

immediately. I recommend Vitamin C Foundation's Vitamin C . Order the autoship

(can be changed at any time) and save $10 per order.

Dolores writes:

<<Yet another issue is that I started on a drug called Rocaltrol (synthetic

Vitamin D) and was told to take up to 600 mg of Calcium Citrate (but not

together) since the Rocaltrol would work better that way. This is to aid the

kidneys in functioning better.>>

** Oh, how brilliant our MDs are! I can't believe you were told this. It is

just the opposite. Supplemental calcium contributes to kidney stones of the

type you have. However, dietary calcium does not seem to cause this problem.

Why take a synthetic drug when you can get a natural-based supplement? The

answer is $$$.

While calcium is not going to help kidney stones, magnesium WILL help them.

It's a good idea for most people in this part of the world to take Vit D in the

winter and spring but synthetic Vit D is useless. With your condition, I'd keep

the Vit D lower than I would normally recommend and would get tested for it

before taking it at all. Perhaps It is the rare person in North America or

the UK who needs to supplement calcium. Being deficient in calcium doesn't mean

a person needs calcium. It is most often an indicator that a person needs

magnesium.

Dolores writes:

<<I find capsules or gel caps easier to absorb than tablets, but if you could

advise me as to amounts or types of magnesium, vitamin C or even calcium (now

that you know why I am taking it) you input would be very much appreciated. If

tablets are necessary I can always just crush them.

By the way, they are calcium oxalate stones.

Thanks once again, Dolores>>

** Both the mag and the Vit C I recommended are powders. If you end up

needing to supplement Vit D3, it comes as a liquid from Carlson's (prob.

available at Vitacost.com).

I know I should be used to it but I'm still in shock how foolish MDs can be.

Regards,

> To: withdrawal_and_recovery

> From: dolores323@...

> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 20:35:06 +0000

> Subject: RE: HY-C with weak kidneys and stones

(w/response)

>

> Hi ,

>

> I started passing kidney stones in the early 1990's. And it seems that I pass

the stones when I am under a lot of stress for long periods. I have Crohn's

Disease and kidney stones are very common with Crohn's. I think I either passed

stones or had surgery about 8-10 times since the early 90's and my M.D. says I

produce them like gangbusters!

>

> Around 2006 just before the latest surgery to remove a painful stone, I

discovered that I had very high blood pressure and that my kidneys were

functioning at 60% at that time due to hypertension. By 2009 the kidney

function went down to 35% and just recently increased to 40%. So now I need to

take 2 drugs for hypertension to keep my blood pressure at 120/60 or less.

>

> I do get stressed out easily and I have tried many remedies that you suggested

such as Ashwaganda, L-theanine and Herbal Tinctures (like a combination of lemon

grass, passionflower, lavender and others) for anxiety but though they work well

in the beginning for anxiety and tension the effects do not last for more than

one week.

>

> I do take .5 mg of clonazepam per day (sorry), but I would gladly stop if I

could find a natural remedy that lasts.

>

> I continue to take calcium, Vitamin C and magnesium as you suggested once for

the stones (and anxiety) but I think with this lower functioning I may be doing

more harm to the kidneys than good, but I will continue taking these three

supplements if you think that they are still okay to take. I did hear a medical

doctor say that taking calcium supplements can contribute to kidney stones

simply because of the high concentration at one time, but I would rather follow

your advice.

>

> So that's why I thought I might try the HY-C if you think it is safe in my

condition.

>

> Thank You, Dolores>>

>

>

> ** Dolores, don't take any calcium at all (I rarely tell people to take

calcium). How much magnesium and Vit C are you taking and in what form?

Magnesium deficiency is the primary cause of kidney stones. The form you take

is important. Don't take magnesium oxide at all. We can discuss this more when

I find out exactly what type of magnesium and Vit C and amounts of each.

>

> Just so everyone knows, if you are talking about anything you take,

pharmaceutical or otherwise, always include the exact type of drug (regular,

time-released, etc.), for supplements include the type of substance (there are

several types of magnesium as well as Vit C) and the dosage you take as you take

it (example: I take 250 mg. of magnesium citrate twice a day and 205 mg. of

magnesium sulphate once a day).

>

> Just to complicate things a little more, when it comes to magnesium, the

only way you can tell how much magnesium you are actually taking is to look for

the amount of magnesium expressed as elemental magnesium. For example, you may

see Magnesium 400 mg on the front label of the bottle. But on the back label

you may note that magnesium is listed as " elemental magnesium -- 121 mg. "

>

> I hope this is clearer than I think it is, lol.

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> To subscribe to our off-topic Social list go to:

>

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/socialWandR/

>

> To subscribe to our Truth-in-Health one way mailing list go to:

>

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/truth-in-health

>

>

[Guest guest]

**Dolores, I meant to add that the other most common cause of this type of

kidney stone is not drinking enough water. We have someone on this list who has

never had another kidney stone after having them all his life until he drank 8

glasses of water a day, made sure he was getting a good amount of dietary

calcium, and took magnesium (600 mg. daily). --

>

> Dolores writes:

>

>

> <<Hi ,

>

> To answer your questions:

>

> 1. I am taking one 150 mg capsule of Magnesium Citrate once a day since I'm

not sure how much to take with my kidney issues and the M.D.'s sure don't know

either. It's made by Natural Factors and simply reads Magnesium Citrate on the

front and back of the bottle.>>

>

> ** I'd increase the mag bit by bit. First, I'd add one more 150 mg dose.

After about a week, I'd add a 3rd dose. After I ran out of Natural Factor, I'd

buy Gillham's Calm Magnesium. This is a powder that allows you to titrate

the dose however you'd like.

>

>

> <<2. I'm taking one 600 mg capsule of Ester-C Supreme by Sisu once a day

(rather than regular Vitamin C.) The list of ingredients is:

>

>

> Vitamin C (calcium ascorbate) 600 mg

> Arabinogalactan bark 100mg

> Quercetin (fruit) 50 mg

> Multianthocyanidins (berry/fruit) 50 mg>>

>

> ** I wouldn't use this as it is calcium-based. In fact, I'd stop it

immediately. I recommend Vitamin C Foundation's Vitamin C . Order the autoship

(can be changed at any time) and save $10 per order.

>

> Dolores writes:

>

>

> <<Yet another issue is that I started on a drug called Rocaltrol (synthetic

Vitamin D) and was told to take up to 600 mg of Calcium Citrate (but not

together) since the Rocaltrol would work better that way. This is to aid the

kidneys in functioning better.>>

>

> ** Oh, how brilliant our MDs are! I can't believe you were told this. It

is just the opposite. Supplemental calcium contributes to kidney stones of the

type you have. However, dietary calcium does not seem to cause this problem.

Why take a synthetic drug when you can get a natural-based supplement? The

answer is $$$.

>

> While calcium is not going to help kidney stones, magnesium WILL help them.

It's a good idea for most people in this part of the world to take Vit D in the

winter and spring but synthetic Vit D is useless. With your condition, I'd keep

the Vit D lower than I would normally recommend and would get tested for it

before taking it at all. Perhaps It is the rare person in North America or

the UK who needs to supplement calcium. Being deficient in calcium doesn't mean

a person needs calcium. It is most often an indicator that a person needs

magnesium.

>

> Dolores writes:

>

> <<I find capsules or gel caps easier to absorb than tablets, but if you could

advise me as to amounts or types of magnesium, vitamin C or even calcium (now

that you know why I am taking it) you input would be very much appreciated. If

tablets are necessary I can always just crush them.

>

> By the way, they are calcium oxalate stones.

>

> Thanks once again, Dolores>>

>

>

> ** Both the mag and the Vit C I recommended are powders. If you end up

needing to supplement Vit D3, it comes as a liquid from Carlson's (prob.

available at Vitacost.com).

>

> I know I should be used to it but I'm still in shock how foolish MDs can

be.

>

> Regards,

>

[Guest guest]

**Dolores, I meant to add that the other most common cause of this type of

kidney stone is not drinking enough water. We have someone on this list who has

never had another kidney stone after having them all his life until he drank 8

glasses of water a day, made sure he was getting a good amount of dietary

calcium, and took magnesium (600 mg. daily). --

>

> Dolores writes:

>

>

> <<Hi ,

>

> To answer your questions:

>

> 1. I am taking one 150 mg capsule of Magnesium Citrate once a day since I'm

not sure how much to take with my kidney issues and the M.D.'s sure don't know

either. It's made by Natural Factors and simply reads Magnesium Citrate on the

front and back of the bottle.>>

>

> ** I'd increase the mag bit by bit. First, I'd add one more 150 mg dose.

After about a week, I'd add a 3rd dose. After I ran out of Natural Factor, I'd

buy Gillham's Calm Magnesium. This is a powder that allows you to titrate

the dose however you'd like.

>

>

> <<2. I'm taking one 600 mg capsule of Ester-C Supreme by Sisu once a day

(rather than regular Vitamin C.) The list of ingredients is:

>

>

> Vitamin C (calcium ascorbate) 600 mg

> Arabinogalactan bark 100mg

> Quercetin (fruit) 50 mg

> Multianthocyanidins (berry/fruit) 50 mg>>

>

> ** I wouldn't use this as it is calcium-based. In fact, I'd stop it

immediately. I recommend Vitamin C Foundation's Vitamin C . Order the autoship

(can be changed at any time) and save $10 per order.

>

> Dolores writes:

>

>

> <<Yet another issue is that I started on a drug called Rocaltrol (synthetic

Vitamin D) and was told to take up to 600 mg of Calcium Citrate (but not

together) since the Rocaltrol would work better that way. This is to aid the

kidneys in functioning better.>>

>

> ** Oh, how brilliant our MDs are! I can't believe you were told this. It

is just the opposite. Supplemental calcium contributes to kidney stones of the

type you have. However, dietary calcium does not seem to cause this problem.

Why take a synthetic drug when you can get a natural-based supplement? The

answer is $$$.

>

> While calcium is not going to help kidney stones, magnesium WILL help them.

It's a good idea for most people in this part of the world to take Vit D in the

winter and spring but synthetic Vit D is useless. With your condition, I'd keep

the Vit D lower than I would normally recommend and would get tested for it

before taking it at all. Perhaps It is the rare person in North America or

the UK who needs to supplement calcium. Being deficient in calcium doesn't mean

a person needs calcium. It is most often an indicator that a person needs

magnesium.

>

> Dolores writes:

>

> <<I find capsules or gel caps easier to absorb than tablets, but if you could

advise me as to amounts or types of magnesium, vitamin C or even calcium (now

that you know why I am taking it) you input would be very much appreciated. If

tablets are necessary I can always just crush them.

>

> By the way, they are calcium oxalate stones.

>

> Thanks once again, Dolores>>

>

>

> ** Both the mag and the Vit C I recommended are powders. If you end up

needing to supplement Vit D3, it comes as a liquid from Carlson's (prob.

available at Vitacost.com).

>

> I know I should be used to it but I'm still in shock how foolish MDs can

be.

>

> Regards,

>

[Guest guest]

<<Hi ,

Thanks again for your excellent advice; I will start making these changes today!

But, back the my original question: Would the HY-C be worth trying for anxiety

or should I just skip it for now since there are many other remedies I have yet

to try.>>

** If you explain the nature of the anxiety more thoroughly I can help you

answer this. Describe the anxiety and it's frequency. Anything notable about

it?

Dolores writes:

<<Since kidney health seems so off-topic I will end this thread about my kidneys

as of today.

Thanks, Dolores>>

** Your kidneys are not off-topic at all considering that if they are not

working well it affects your whole being. Weak kidneys create fear in a person.

I have the feeling that you haven't really embraced how important it is to

build the magnesium in your body and to be religious about plenty of

non-chlorinated/fluoridated water in order to get back kidney function. Ask

yourself if I'm reading this correctly.

Regards,