Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 , Thank you for pointing out the need to make sure we aren't mentally dull by sending something to the list that others may find offensive. Jean 190/142/135 12/7/98 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 , Thank you for pointing out the need to make sure we aren't mentally dull by sending something to the list that others may find offensive. Jean 190/142/135 12/7/98 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 Is Terry out of town? Don't be offended , I think that was just said in jest or ignorance. I'd be a vegetarian too if I didn't have to give up steak! (being queen o' the veggies and all). This all began with a misinterpretation of the meaning of some words by somebody that I don't believe speaks English as their primary language. Please don't take it as a personal attack on your life-style I think it's wonderful that you are trying to help your boyfriend do Atkins. Are there any specific favourite recipes of his that we could try and find a low carb version of? Let us know how we can help make this a positive experience for you both Kirstie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 LOL! Cute, Kirstie! Kirstie Hawkey wrote: Is Terry out of town? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 You aren't bursting MY bubble. This is reprinted from Ellen s website http://www.hcrc.org/faqs/atkins.html. http://www.hcrc.org/contrib/coleman/coleman.html Here are her credentials - Ellen , RD, MA, MPH - She IS a registerd dietician. This is what she says - not my words: " A ketogenic diet may or may not have side effects, depending on the individual person. It is certainly riskier for overweight individuals with medical problems such as heart disease, hypertension, kidney disease, and diabetes than it is for overweight people with no health problems. Complications associated with low carbohydrate, high protein diets include ketosis, dehydration, electrolyte loss, calcium depletion, weakness (due to inadequate dietary carbohydrate), nausea (due to ketosis), and possibly kidney problems. " There is much more information out there. I am not against the Atkins diet. If followed properly, most people do not get sick. I am all for it. In the past, lost a significant amount of weight with it. I am hoping to help him do it again. My point was that the other person said a vegetarian diet was dangerous and I was pointing out it could go both ways. > > Sorry but the Kidney damage warning is a myth. Too much protein can > be hard on an already ill kidney but protein will not cause a kidney to > become damaged. Hate to burst your bubble. > > aka Nurse Jen (Terry's name for me) :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 You aren't bursting MY bubble. This is reprinted from Ellen s website http://www.hcrc.org/faqs/atkins.html. http://www.hcrc.org/contrib/coleman/coleman.html Here are her credentials - Ellen , RD, MA, MPH - She IS a registerd dietician. This is what she says - not my words: " A ketogenic diet may or may not have side effects, depending on the individual person. It is certainly riskier for overweight individuals with medical problems such as heart disease, hypertension, kidney disease, and diabetes than it is for overweight people with no health problems. Complications associated with low carbohydrate, high protein diets include ketosis, dehydration, electrolyte loss, calcium depletion, weakness (due to inadequate dietary carbohydrate), nausea (due to ketosis), and possibly kidney problems. " There is much more information out there. I am not against the Atkins diet. If followed properly, most people do not get sick. I am all for it. In the past, lost a significant amount of weight with it. I am hoping to help him do it again. My point was that the other person said a vegetarian diet was dangerous and I was pointing out it could go both ways. > > Sorry but the Kidney damage warning is a myth. Too much protein can > be hard on an already ill kidney but protein will not cause a kidney to > become damaged. Hate to burst your bubble. > > aka Nurse Jen (Terry's name for me) :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 You aren't bursting MY bubble. This is reprinted from Ellen s website http://www.hcrc.org/faqs/atkins.html. http://www.hcrc.org/contrib/coleman/coleman.html Here are her credentials - Ellen , RD, MA, MPH - She IS a registerd dietician. This is what she says - not my words: " A ketogenic diet may or may not have side effects, depending on the individual person. It is certainly riskier for overweight individuals with medical problems such as heart disease, hypertension, kidney disease, and diabetes than it is for overweight people with no health problems. Complications associated with low carbohydrate, high protein diets include ketosis, dehydration, electrolyte loss, calcium depletion, weakness (due to inadequate dietary carbohydrate), nausea (due to ketosis), and possibly kidney problems. " There is much more information out there. I am not against the Atkins diet. If followed properly, most people do not get sick. I am all for it. In the past, lost a significant amount of weight with it. I am hoping to help him do it again. My point was that the other person said a vegetarian diet was dangerous and I was pointing out it could go both ways. > > Sorry but the Kidney damage warning is a myth. Too much protein can > be hard on an already ill kidney but protein will not cause a kidney to > become damaged. Hate to burst your bubble. > > aka Nurse Jen (Terry's name for me) :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 I am sorry it offended you. It was aimed at the person who said vegetarians were dumb and that they were easily controlled cult members. You will find I am neither. I am not a zealot of any religion or dumb. > I am sure that you wouldn't like being compared to the savage cannibals who > eat only meat because you don't eat as many veggies as I do. > > Here are two definitions I found for cannibal..... > > A person who eats the flesh of other human beings. > An animal that feeds on others of its own kind. > > Since I am not eating other Atkids, I hardly find this comparison appropriate. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 Terry is our beloved list owner. Didn't I read that modified low-carb - without ketosis was suggested for children with autism, or am I confusing this with something else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 Terry is our beloved list owner. Didn't I read that modified low-carb - without ketosis was suggested for children with autism, or am I confusing this with something else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 Thanks. Who is Terry? Anything would be appreciated. As it is, I find myself fixing 3 meals every night - one for me, one for and one for my son, who is autistic. His medication decreases his appetite and I usually fix his veggies with butter, etc. > Is Terry out of town? > > Don't be offended , I think that was just said in jest or ignorance. > I'd be a vegetarian too if I didn't have to give up steak! (being queen o' > the veggies and all). > > This all began with a misinterpretation of the meaning of some words by > somebody that I don't believe speaks English as their primary language. > Please don't take it as a personal attack on your life-style > > I think it's wonderful that you are trying to help your boyfriend do Atkins. > Are there any specific favourite recipes of his that we could try and find a > low carb version of? > > Let us know how we can help make this a positive experience for you both > > Kirstie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 Dwen......I got tears in my eyes when I read your post. How did you survive that??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 Dwen I'm sorry to hear you haven't seen your grandchildren in so long....Have you even heard from them or anything? Hope so-- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 Dwen I'm sorry to hear you haven't seen your grandchildren in so long....Have you even heard from them or anything? Hope so-- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 Terry is the list owner who is always gone when a spat breaks out. She tells us we are a bunch of children who can't get along without their mommy. Jean 190/142/135 12/7/98 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 Terry is the list owner who is always gone when a spat breaks out. She tells us we are a bunch of children who can't get along without their mommy. Jean 190/142/135 12/7/98 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 Terry is the list owner. It's a running joke that the only time this usually calm list gets nasty is when Terry is out of town. We do so disappoint her sometimes One recipe that my hubby loves is the meatza pizza. You basically use ground beef for the crust (I cook it up in a pie plate first) and then top it with your favourite pizza toppings. Look around for a tomatoe sauce that doesn't have sugar in it - 4-5 carbs per 1/2 cup is about as good as it gets. Kirstie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 Terry is the list owner. It's a running joke that the only time this usually calm list gets nasty is when Terry is out of town. We do so disappoint her sometimes One recipe that my hubby loves is the meatza pizza. You basically use ground beef for the crust (I cook it up in a pie plate first) and then top it with your favourite pizza toppings. Look around for a tomatoe sauce that doesn't have sugar in it - 4-5 carbs per 1/2 cup is about as good as it gets. Kirstie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 >>That sounds like something would like. I am not sure about how to go about cooking it, though. How long do you bake it? I didn't mean for things to get ugly. I'm sorry. I'm normally a very docile person. Things happen, forget about it. Nobody got terribly nasty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 >>That sounds like something would like. I am not sure about how to go about cooking it, though. How long do you bake it? I didn't mean for things to get ugly. I'm sorry. I'm normally a very docile person. Things happen, forget about it. Nobody got terribly nasty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 Actually, a ketogenic diet is frequently used to treat epilipsy. Also, diets low in yeast and gluten are supposed to help as are diets that eliminate articial ingredients. I tried on a modified version of the Atkins diet, but it is harder to control what they eat at school, so it was a null point. alicia > Terry is our beloved list owner. Didn't I read that modified low- carb - without ketosis was suggested for children with autism, or am I confusing this with something else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 Actually, a ketogenic diet is frequently used to treat epilipsy. Also, diets low in yeast and gluten are supposed to help as are diets that eliminate articial ingredients. I tried on a modified version of the Atkins diet, but it is harder to control what they eat at school, so it was a null point. alicia > Terry is our beloved list owner. Didn't I read that modified low- carb - without ketosis was suggested for children with autism, or am I confusing this with something else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 I can imagine that it would be nearly impossible to hope that a kid would stick to a special diet away from home. I have always wondered how mothers of diabetic children manage that. >>Actually, a ketogenic diet is frequently used to treat epilipsy. Also, diets low in yeast and gluten are supposed to help as are diets that eliminate articial ingredients. I tried on a modified version of the Atkins diet, but it is harder to control what they eat at school, so it was a null point. alicia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 I can imagine that it would be nearly impossible to hope that a kid would stick to a special diet away from home. I have always wondered how mothers of diabetic children manage that. >>Actually, a ketogenic diet is frequently used to treat epilipsy. Also, diets low in yeast and gluten are supposed to help as are diets that eliminate articial ingredients. I tried on a modified version of the Atkins diet, but it is harder to control what they eat at school, so it was a null point. alicia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 I can imagine that it would be nearly impossible to hope that a kid would stick to a special diet away from home. I have always wondered how mothers of diabetic children manage that. >>Actually, a ketogenic diet is frequently used to treat epilipsy. Also, diets low in yeast and gluten are supposed to help as are diets that eliminate articial ingredients. I tried on a modified version of the Atkins diet, but it is harder to control what they eat at school, so it was a null point. alicia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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