Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 That sounds like something would like. I am not sure about how to go about cooking it, though. How long do you bake it? I didn't mean for things to get ugly. I'm sorry. I'm normally a very docile person. > Terry is the list owner. It's a running joke that the only time this > usually calm list gets nasty is when Terry is out of town. We do so > disappoint her sometimes > > One recipe that my hubby loves is the meatza pizza. You basically use > ground beef for the crust (I cook it up in a pie plate first) and then top > it with your favourite pizza toppings. Look around for a tomatoe sauce that > doesn't have sugar in it - 4-5 carbs per 1/2 cup is about as good as it > gets. > > Kirstie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 That sounds like something would like. I am not sure about how to go about cooking it, though. How long do you bake it? I didn't mean for things to get ugly. I'm sorry. I'm normally a very docile person. > Terry is the list owner. It's a running joke that the only time this > usually calm list gets nasty is when Terry is out of town. We do so > disappoint her sometimes > > One recipe that my hubby loves is the meatza pizza. You basically use > ground beef for the crust (I cook it up in a pie plate first) and then top > it with your favourite pizza toppings. Look around for a tomatoe sauce that > doesn't have sugar in it - 4-5 carbs per 1/2 cup is about as good as it > gets. > > Kirstie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 The Hellers promote low carb for kids with ADD. I tried it with Mathew for a couple of weeks and did notice some change for the better, but he couldn't handle life without sugar and started bingeing behind my back, so we stopped the experiment. Kirstie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 The Hellers promote low carb for kids with ADD. I tried it with Mathew for a couple of weeks and did notice some change for the better, but he couldn't handle life without sugar and started bingeing behind my back, so we stopped the experiment. Kirstie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 That was the same problem I had with . He eats lunch at school and there is no way to control what they eat. It's also hard with the Feingold diet. That diet eliminates everything artificial and salycilic (such as apples). I informed his school and his teacher. She would give him M & M's of all things for rewards. No amount of complaining to the school board would help. As he got older, he started trading things in his lunch box for things other kids had. It was no-win. > The Hellers promote low carb for kids with ADD. I tried it with Mathew for > a couple of weeks and did notice some change for the better, but he couldn't > handle life without sugar and started bingeing behind my back, so we stopped > the experiment. > > Kirstie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 That was the same problem I had with . He eats lunch at school and there is no way to control what they eat. It's also hard with the Feingold diet. That diet eliminates everything artificial and salycilic (such as apples). I informed his school and his teacher. She would give him M & M's of all things for rewards. No amount of complaining to the school board would help. As he got older, he started trading things in his lunch box for things other kids had. It was no-win. > The Hellers promote low carb for kids with ADD. I tried it with Mathew for > a couple of weeks and did notice some change for the better, but he couldn't > handle life without sugar and started bingeing behind my back, so we stopped > the experiment. > > Kirstie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 , One reason people like this dietitian think this diet is dangerous is that they don't read all that Dr. Atkins (who by the way is a cardiologist) has to say about it. None of the things she mentions (dehydration, electrolyte loss, calcium depletion, weakness, nausea) should happen to a person who follows Dr. Atkins' instructions and drinks lots of water, takes the vitamins and supplements he recommends, and gets a complete physical prior to embarking on this WOE. Sure, we do go into ketosis, but he explains that this is a benign form of ketosis. My family physician, cardiologist, and neurologist all support me in this WOE. As my cardiologist put it, "Which is more dangerous, this diet or staying obese and having a heart attack or stroke due to that obesity." All my doctors agree that the main objective is to first and foremost get the weight off. Our local news channel had a bit on it the other week about so called fad diets and they mentioned the Atkins Diet. They had so much more misinformation in that 2 minutes than I would have ever have expected from a news agency. I'm certain we all could quote someone who is supposedly an authority on something to support our points of view. However, most people who say this diet is not healthy have contempt prior to investigation when it comes to this low carb diets. When it comes to my body, I am the one living in it, not some doctor or other person. I know I feel better than I have in years after only a few weeks on this diet (and only 23 lbs lost thus far). I have suffered with chronic pain for years (since 1983) that actually disabled me and have not had to take one single pain medication since starting this diet. I have high blood pressure and heart problems, high cholesterol, and was very close to becoming a diabetic. Every one of those problems is improving. I investigated other diets before deciding that this was the one I would try. I am certainly glad that I have not been disappointed. Dwen dawnbluemoon@... wrote: You aren't bursting MY bubble. This is reprinted from Ellen s website http://www.hcrc.org/faqs/atkins.html. http://www.hcrc.org/contrib/coleman/coleman.html Here are her credentials - Ellen , RD, MA, MPH - She IS a registerd dietician. This is what she says - not my words: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 , One reason people like this dietitian think this diet is dangerous is that they don't read all that Dr. Atkins (who by the way is a cardiologist) has to say about it. None of the things she mentions (dehydration, electrolyte loss, calcium depletion, weakness, nausea) should happen to a person who follows Dr. Atkins' instructions and drinks lots of water, takes the vitamins and supplements he recommends, and gets a complete physical prior to embarking on this WOE. Sure, we do go into ketosis, but he explains that this is a benign form of ketosis. My family physician, cardiologist, and neurologist all support me in this WOE. As my cardiologist put it, "Which is more dangerous, this diet or staying obese and having a heart attack or stroke due to that obesity." All my doctors agree that the main objective is to first and foremost get the weight off. Our local news channel had a bit on it the other week about so called fad diets and they mentioned the Atkins Diet. They had so much more misinformation in that 2 minutes than I would have ever have expected from a news agency. I'm certain we all could quote someone who is supposedly an authority on something to support our points of view. However, most people who say this diet is not healthy have contempt prior to investigation when it comes to this low carb diets. When it comes to my body, I am the one living in it, not some doctor or other person. I know I feel better than I have in years after only a few weeks on this diet (and only 23 lbs lost thus far). I have suffered with chronic pain for years (since 1983) that actually disabled me and have not had to take one single pain medication since starting this diet. I have high blood pressure and heart problems, high cholesterol, and was very close to becoming a diabetic. Every one of those problems is improving. I investigated other diets before deciding that this was the one I would try. I am certainly glad that I have not been disappointed. Dwen dawnbluemoon@... wrote: You aren't bursting MY bubble. This is reprinted from Ellen s website http://www.hcrc.org/faqs/atkins.html. http://www.hcrc.org/contrib/coleman/coleman.html Here are her credentials - Ellen , RD, MA, MPH - She IS a registerd dietician. This is what she says - not my words: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 , One reason people like this dietitian think this diet is dangerous is that they don't read all that Dr. Atkins (who by the way is a cardiologist) has to say about it. None of the things she mentions (dehydration, electrolyte loss, calcium depletion, weakness, nausea) should happen to a person who follows Dr. Atkins' instructions and drinks lots of water, takes the vitamins and supplements he recommends, and gets a complete physical prior to embarking on this WOE. Sure, we do go into ketosis, but he explains that this is a benign form of ketosis. My family physician, cardiologist, and neurologist all support me in this WOE. As my cardiologist put it, "Which is more dangerous, this diet or staying obese and having a heart attack or stroke due to that obesity." All my doctors agree that the main objective is to first and foremost get the weight off. Our local news channel had a bit on it the other week about so called fad diets and they mentioned the Atkins Diet. They had so much more misinformation in that 2 minutes than I would have ever have expected from a news agency. I'm certain we all could quote someone who is supposedly an authority on something to support our points of view. However, most people who say this diet is not healthy have contempt prior to investigation when it comes to this low carb diets. When it comes to my body, I am the one living in it, not some doctor or other person. I know I feel better than I have in years after only a few weeks on this diet (and only 23 lbs lost thus far). I have suffered with chronic pain for years (since 1983) that actually disabled me and have not had to take one single pain medication since starting this diet. I have high blood pressure and heart problems, high cholesterol, and was very close to becoming a diabetic. Every one of those problems is improving. I investigated other diets before deciding that this was the one I would try. I am certainly glad that I have not been disappointed. Dwen dawnbluemoon@... wrote: You aren't bursting MY bubble. This is reprinted from Ellen s website http://www.hcrc.org/faqs/atkins.html. http://www.hcrc.org/contrib/coleman/coleman.html Here are her credentials - Ellen , RD, MA, MPH - She IS a registerd dietician. This is what she says - not my words: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 That's ok . Email is like that sometimes. I cook the burger for about 1/2 an hour (after about 15 minutes, I drain off the fat, split it down the middle and pad the gap (the burger shrinks) with some more burger and then cook it until it's about done. After I put the toppings on, I cook it until the cheese is all melted and bubbly. My hubby likes his cheese to be browned a little, so we probably cook it longer than most. I have the oven on at about 375. Kirstie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 That's ok . Email is like that sometimes. I cook the burger for about 1/2 an hour (after about 15 minutes, I drain off the fat, split it down the middle and pad the gap (the burger shrinks) with some more burger and then cook it until it's about done. After I put the toppings on, I cook it until the cheese is all melted and bubbly. My hubby likes his cheese to be browned a little, so we probably cook it longer than most. I have the oven on at about 375. Kirstie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 Dwen, have faith that someday there will be a long-awaited knock at your door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 Well said Dwen. I couldn't agree more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 That's the same thing I said. If the diet is followed properly, you won't get sick. I've been saying that the whole time. I know people who haven't followed it correctly and have gotten VERY sick. One friend stayed on the induction for months. It was no wonder his kidney's started failing him. If he had graduated into the OWL and the pre-maintanence and then the final maintenance, he would have been better off and not have gotten sick. It is the same way with a veggie diet. If you don't eat protein or binge on starches, you're bound to pay for it. > > > You aren't bursting MY bubble. This is reprinted from Ellen s > > website http://www.hcrc.org/faqs/atkins.html. > > http://www.hcrc.org/contrib/coleman/coleman.html > > Here are her credentials - Ellen , RD, MA, MPH - She IS a > > registerd dietician. This is what she says - not my words: > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 That's the same thing I said. If the diet is followed properly, you won't get sick. I've been saying that the whole time. I know people who haven't followed it correctly and have gotten VERY sick. One friend stayed on the induction for months. It was no wonder his kidney's started failing him. If he had graduated into the OWL and the pre-maintanence and then the final maintenance, he would have been better off and not have gotten sick. It is the same way with a veggie diet. If you don't eat protein or binge on starches, you're bound to pay for it. > > > You aren't bursting MY bubble. This is reprinted from Ellen s > > website http://www.hcrc.org/faqs/atkins.html. > > http://www.hcrc.org/contrib/coleman/coleman.html > > Here are her credentials - Ellen , RD, MA, MPH - She IS a > > registerd dietician. This is what she says - not my words: > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 When I was teaching, I had a student that was diabetic. She stuck to it pretty well. She knew the consequences and was a very mature 12 year old. I don't know how other parents fare, but it's not the easiest task in the world. Just getting family to cooperate is hard enough. You get " but it's Christams... Just one won't hurt " etc. You end up looking like the bad guy to your kid and your family, but you just have to keep re-enforcing it. > I can imagine that it would be nearly impossible to hope that a kid would stick to a special diet away from home. I have always wondered how mothers of diabetic children manage that. > > >>Actually, a ketogenic diet is frequently used to treat epilipsy. > Also, diets low in yeast and gluten are supposed to help as are diets > that eliminate articial ingredients. I tried on a modified > version of the Atkins diet, but it is harder to control what they eat > at school, so it was a null point. > > alicia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 Robin, it's still not easy on some days. Christmas was awful for me. Fortunately I have 6 step grandchildren to help with the pain. After this happened, my oldest step granddaughter told me for the first time that she loved me. It meant so much to me. Three of the steps are close by; 3 in Colorado. However, I do miss the others so very much. I pray for them nightly (and for strength for myself) and hope one day, if it is meant to be, that at least a couple of them will find their way out of there. They have just relocated to Florida and we have totally lost contact with them. Prior to that they were in upper NY state and we could call, but were not always allowed to speak with them. The oldest boy and one of the girls are discontent. Maybe.........someday...... Dwen Robin Purtee wrote: Dwen......I got tears in my eyes when I read your post. How did you survive that??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 Thanks so much!!!! LOL Triplets, you say!!! Dwen DEB wrote: > Oh Dwen, I'm so sorry, my heart goes out to you. I give you a big > hug! I'll share mine, Please, share mine. DebGramma of Triplets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 , My son saw them just before Christmas, as they were relocating from NY State to Florida. That's how I know where (well sorta since Florida is a big state) they are now. He had not been allowed to see them for 2-1/2 years. I was really concerned about him for so long. It broke his heart. He went into a shell after it happened. He's just now able to talk much about it. Now he and his SO are expecting a boy either the end of this month or early next month. I hope this helps him some. Dwen Gerteisen wrote: Dwen I'm sorry to hear you haven't seen your grandchildren in so long....Have you even heard from them or anything? Hope so-- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 In a message dated 1/5/01 10:33:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, dsinteam@... writes: << You kids! Terry >> LOL We love you Terry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 In a message dated 1/5/01 10:33:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, dsinteam@... writes: << You kids! Terry >> LOL We love you Terry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 epilepsy, perhaps?? Robin Purtee wrote: Terry is our beloved list owner. Didn't I read that modified low-carb - without ketosis was suggested for children with autism, or am I confusing this with something else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 Yeah, I predict that it was epilepsy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2001 Report Share Posted January 6, 2001 Hi , Sorry I generalized it, not everyone happens to be that way, but I can say *most*. Probably, 'dumb' or 'dull' are not the right words to use, I just want to give some sense that it makes the cult leaders easier to control them. regards/Jerome Tanjtan@...Mobile: +639175277928 Re: new member A vegetarian diet doesn't make you dumb, and it's not dangerous! I, myself am a ova-lacto vegetarian, thank you very much. I have never joined a religious cult and don't have any trouble maintaining a healthy diet. I joined this group because my boyfriend started the Atkins diet (he's obviously not a vegetarian) to lose weight. He's about 140 lbs overweight. Since I am the one that cooks ALL of his meals, I thought this would be a good place to get a little help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2001 Report Share Posted January 6, 2001 Hi , Sorry I generalized it, not everyone happens to be that way, but I can say *most*. Probably, 'dumb' or 'dull' are not the right words to use, I just want to give some sense that it makes the cult leaders easier to control them. regards/Jerome Tanjtan@...Mobile: +639175277928 Re: new member A vegetarian diet doesn't make you dumb, and it's not dangerous! I, myself am a ova-lacto vegetarian, thank you very much. I have never joined a religious cult and don't have any trouble maintaining a healthy diet. I joined this group because my boyfriend started the Atkins diet (he's obviously not a vegetarian) to lose weight. He's about 140 lbs overweight. Since I am the one that cooks ALL of his meals, I thought this would be a good place to get a little help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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