Guest guest Posted April 3, 2002 Report Share Posted April 3, 2002 Fran, Soy is phytoestrogen. That means that it blocks the estrogen your body produces and is absorbed instead, just a milder, lesser amount. Ladies, am I correct on this? Robin Soy is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2002 Report Share Posted April 3, 2002 Fran, Soy is phytoestrogen. That means that it blocks the estrogen your body produces and is absorbed instead, just a milder, lesser amount. Ladies, am I correct on this? Robin Soy is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2002 Report Share Posted April 4, 2002 Fran, Do you really want to get that 3rd Lupron injection? In your other postings, you say your gushing bleeding is worse since going on Lupron, and the doctor doesn't think it's working. Have you had any fibroid shrinkage at all? Are there any potential benefits to Lupron that outway the risk of hemorrhaging that you seem to be facing? If you don't go for another injection, the effects of Lupron should hopefully start to wear off soon. In the meantime, maybe you could eat soy products to help counteract hot flashes. Awhile back, someone posted that she ate soy every day while on Lupron and had no hot flashes. She experienced her first hot flashes while in the hospital after surgery - presumably because she was not eating soy in the hospital. Therese > I'm totally confused and need advice. As I have posted, I have had two > injections of Lupron and get the 3rd next week. The hot flashes have been > really intense these past few weeks. I posted that I stopped taking a > soy/calcium supplement thinking that was contributing to the flashes. I have > read that soy is an estrogen based plant and the suuplment could aggrevate > the hot flashes, but I read recently that soy does not contribute to the > growing of fibroids in the uterus. What about Black Cohosh? My gyn says > there is NOTHING she can do for me with the hot flashes and she says there > is not scientific data that over the counter remedies or supplements work. I > have been taking 400 i.u. daily of Vitamin E since about 3 months before the > Lupron . I wonder if I wasn't taking the Vit E if the hot flashes would be > worse? > Anyone out there taking any soy or supplements for the hot flashes > while on Lupron. I'm looking for some advice. I work as a teachers > assistant and in constant motion all day with kids which makes the flashes > overwhelming at times. > Thank you all for your support. > > Fran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2002 Report Share Posted April 4, 2002 Fran, Do you really want to get that 3rd Lupron injection? In your other postings, you say your gushing bleeding is worse since going on Lupron, and the doctor doesn't think it's working. Have you had any fibroid shrinkage at all? Are there any potential benefits to Lupron that outway the risk of hemorrhaging that you seem to be facing? If you don't go for another injection, the effects of Lupron should hopefully start to wear off soon. In the meantime, maybe you could eat soy products to help counteract hot flashes. Awhile back, someone posted that she ate soy every day while on Lupron and had no hot flashes. She experienced her first hot flashes while in the hospital after surgery - presumably because she was not eating soy in the hospital. Therese > I'm totally confused and need advice. As I have posted, I have had two > injections of Lupron and get the 3rd next week. The hot flashes have been > really intense these past few weeks. I posted that I stopped taking a > soy/calcium supplement thinking that was contributing to the flashes. I have > read that soy is an estrogen based plant and the suuplment could aggrevate > the hot flashes, but I read recently that soy does not contribute to the > growing of fibroids in the uterus. What about Black Cohosh? My gyn says > there is NOTHING she can do for me with the hot flashes and she says there > is not scientific data that over the counter remedies or supplements work. I > have been taking 400 i.u. daily of Vitamin E since about 3 months before the > Lupron . I wonder if I wasn't taking the Vit E if the hot flashes would be > worse? > Anyone out there taking any soy or supplements for the hot flashes > while on Lupron. I'm looking for some advice. I work as a teachers > assistant and in constant motion all day with kids which makes the flashes > overwhelming at times. > Thank you all for your support. > > Fran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2002 Report Share Posted April 4, 2002 Fran, Do you really want to get that 3rd Lupron injection? In your other postings, you say your gushing bleeding is worse since going on Lupron, and the doctor doesn't think it's working. Have you had any fibroid shrinkage at all? Are there any potential benefits to Lupron that outway the risk of hemorrhaging that you seem to be facing? If you don't go for another injection, the effects of Lupron should hopefully start to wear off soon. In the meantime, maybe you could eat soy products to help counteract hot flashes. Awhile back, someone posted that she ate soy every day while on Lupron and had no hot flashes. She experienced her first hot flashes while in the hospital after surgery - presumably because she was not eating soy in the hospital. Therese > I'm totally confused and need advice. As I have posted, I have had two > injections of Lupron and get the 3rd next week. The hot flashes have been > really intense these past few weeks. I posted that I stopped taking a > soy/calcium supplement thinking that was contributing to the flashes. I have > read that soy is an estrogen based plant and the suuplment could aggrevate > the hot flashes, but I read recently that soy does not contribute to the > growing of fibroids in the uterus. What about Black Cohosh? My gyn says > there is NOTHING she can do for me with the hot flashes and she says there > is not scientific data that over the counter remedies or supplements work. I > have been taking 400 i.u. daily of Vitamin E since about 3 months before the > Lupron . I wonder if I wasn't taking the Vit E if the hot flashes would be > worse? > Anyone out there taking any soy or supplements for the hot flashes > while on Lupron. I'm looking for some advice. I work as a teachers > assistant and in constant motion all day with kids which makes the flashes > overwhelming at times. > Thank you all for your support. > > Fran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 While not suffering to your extent, I would recommend using fans. I have found that keeping a fan constantly blowing on you help to lesson the extent of the flashes. Help any one else with,major hot flashs i am on the lhra analog therpy with the shot every 3 months,and casodex daily ..and in my 4 th day of radiation..my hot flashs are every 45 min 24/7 with total wet presperation...any one have any help ?? thank you gg -- Emersonwww.flhw.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 > Help any one else with,major hot flashs i am on the lhra analog > therpy with the shot every 3 months,and casodex daily ..and in my 4 th > day of radiation..my hot flashs are every 45 min 24/7 with total wet > presperation...any one have any help ?? This is a common complaint of those of us whose medics either do not know or do not care about the side effects (SEs) of treatment (tx). I fired a medic who fit that category. There are many txs for hot flushes: 1. Megace (megestrol acetate): some concern has been expressed by one medic in only one case that it might encourage PCa development where the tumor has mutated. Unfortunately, there appears to be no way to be certain whether this has occurred. Nonetheless, I do know that it is used successfully to relieve hot flushes. BTW, the effect disappeared when the Megace was stopped. 2. Paxil (paroxetine hydrochloride), an antidepressant. A side effect is to relieve hot flushes. 3. Effexor (venlafaxine hydrochloride), an antidepressant. Same story. 4. Depo Provera (medroxyprogesterone, a synthetic form of the female hormone progesterone), the " label " use of which is as a female contraceptive. In the 400 mg (contraceptive) dosage, a study* has demonstrated excellent results in relief of hot flushes among men on ADT (androgen deprivation therapy). However: one must be aware that progesterone is metabolized into testosterone, and should take care that one's PSA is sufficiently low that a rise in T will not be harmful. In the USA, such use of these drugs is " off-label " which is to say not approved by the US Federal Drug Administration. The practical effect of this is that the use of the drugs for relief of hot flushes will not be paid for by insurance carriers. (1) I am not sure of the dosages except for Depo Sub-Q Provera, and (2) do not know the out-of-pocket costs of the off-label use, again with the exception of Depo Sub-Q Provera (US$200 for two pre-loaded syringes + $25 for the injection at my medic's office). I consider the cost to have been well worth the result, which was complete relief. Had a bit of fun with my medic and his staff after the injections. Sighed and observed that from now on I would be unable to ovulate..... * Langstroer et al.J Urol. 2005 Aug;174(2):642-5, " Parenteral medroxyprogesterone for the management of luteinizing hormone releasing hormone induced hot flashes in men with advanced prostate cancer " Pub Med ID 16006929. Pub Med is a service of the US National Library of Medicine at www.pubmed.gov To reach the study summary, search on the ID number. Also, there is an excellent article on the side effects of ADT (androgen deprivation therapy) on the authoritative website of the Prostate Cancer Research Institute at http://www.prostate-cancer.org/education/andind/Guess_TestosteroneSideEffects.ht\ ml or http://tinyurl.com/2ymb8f There is absolutely no good reason for a patient to be left to try to cope alone with such misery. Regards, Steve J " Flagrantly, we docs ignore the declaration of biology. We do this out of ignorance, greed or both. The prime directive of the physician, the real physician, is patient outcome & not physician income (or ego). " -- B. Strum, MD Medical Oncologist PCa Specialist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 --- Hi Steve Dr Dawson N in the university of george washington has prescriped megace 40 mg / day for my husband for hot flushes and he is doing well,you can buy it from Costco ,the generic medicine ,i think it costs 30 $ 30 tablets. wish you the best, Aimy In ProstateCancerSupport , Steve Jordan wrote: > > > > > Help any one else with,major hot flashs i am on the lhra analog > > therpy with the shot every 3 months,and casodex daily ..and in my 4 th > > day of radiation..my hot flashs are every 45 min 24/7 with total wet > > presperation...any one have any help ?? > > This is a common complaint of those of us whose medics either do not > know or do not care about the side effects (SEs) of treatment (tx). I > fired a medic who fit that category. > > There are many txs for hot flushes: > > 1. Megace (megestrol acetate): some concern has been expressed by one > medic in only one case that it might encourage PCa > development where the tumor has mutated. Unfortunately, there appears to > be no way > to be certain whether this has occurred. Nonetheless, I do know that > it is used successfully to relieve > hot flushes. BTW, the effect disappeared when the Megace was stopped. > > 2. Paxil (paroxetine hydrochloride), an antidepressant. A side effect > is to relieve hot flushes. > > 3. Effexor (venlafaxine hydrochloride), an antidepressant. Same story. > > 4. Depo Provera (medroxyprogesterone, a synthetic form of the female > hormone progesterone), the > " label " use of which is as a female contraceptive. In the 400 mg > (contraceptive) dosage, a study* > has demonstrated excellent results in relief of hot flushes among men > on ADT (androgen deprivation therapy). > > However: one must be aware that progesterone is metabolized into > testosterone, and should take care > that one's PSA is sufficiently low that a rise in T will not be harmful. > > In the USA, such use of these drugs is " off-label " which is to say not > approved by the US Federal Drug > Administration. The practical effect of this is that the use of the > drugs for relief of hot flushes will not > be paid for by insurance carriers. > > (1) I am not sure of the dosages except for Depo Sub-Q Provera, and > > (2) do not know the out-of-pocket costs of the off-label use, again > with the exception of Depo Sub-Q > Provera (US$200 for two pre-loaded syringes + $25 for the injection at > my medic's office). > I consider the cost to have been well worth the result, which was > complete relief. > > Had a bit of fun with my medic and his staff after the injections. > Sighed and observed that from now > on I would be unable to ovulate..... > > * Langstroer et al.J Urol. 2005 Aug;174(2):642-5, " Parenteral > medroxyprogesterone for the management of luteinizing hormone releasing > hormone induced hot flashes in men with advanced prostate cancer " Pub > Med ID 16006929. Pub Med is a service of the US National Library of > Medicine at www.pubmed.gov > > To reach the study summary, search on the ID number. > > Also, there is an excellent article on the side effects of ADT (androgen > deprivation therapy) on the authoritative website of the Prostate Cancer > Research Institute at > http://www.prostate- cancer.org/education/andind/Guess_TestosteroneSideEffects.html > or > http://tinyurl.com/2ymb8f > > There is absolutely no good reason for a patient to be left to try to > cope alone with such misery. > > Regards, > > Steve J > > " Flagrantly, we docs ignore the declaration of biology. We do this out > of ignorance, greed or both. The prime directive of the physician, the > real physician, is patient outcome & not physician income (or ego). " > -- B. Strum, MD > Medical Oncologist > PCa Specialist > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 Hi gg I have been on Eligard for the last 18 months. I've had severe hot flashes almost since I started the hormone therapy, and I found a battery operated fan called 02 cool (Wal Mart) really helps me. I also have a small electric fan by my bed that I leave on all night. I just finished my last shot in May, so hopefully my body temperature will eventually start regulating itself soon. Good luck. Jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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