Guest guest Posted December 25, 2000 Report Share Posted December 25, 2000 Gwen, You are right about lawsuits, that they just keep the misery going. However, infertility becomes very expensive, and then to add surrogacy on top of it, well, it becomes astronomical! I've had a very hard time knowing that the OB who ruined the last three years of my life has just gone on treating other patients and making a ton of money, while we've spent a ton of money we don't have on infertility. Hopefully we won't have to pursue surrogacy and will be spared that giant emotional and financial cost. I did file a charge of malpractice against her with both the county and state medical boards. The county found her negligent, but in California, only the state board can do anything to her. The state just decided that I didn't prove she actually did anything wrong. But they've asked for my rebuttal, and right now I don't want to spend the energy on that. So, I'm letting it go. But I worry for the future women this OB treats. I don't have any healing problems, and every doctor I've spoken with said she had to have performed " too rigorous " of a d & c and she probably did that to be sure she still didn't leave anything behind. I really believe she didn't know that performing a rigorous d & c on a post pardem woman could cause what it did. And, when an OB doesn't know something like that, that is very concerning! My bleeding is lessening, but still continues. I go for another ultrasound in a week, and hopefully everything still looks good. I am going to speak to the OB at that time about whether I should be seeing a periontologist, which I think I should. Good luck to you in 2001! R. --- G Hassan wrote: > > : No, I haven't sued my OB...I live in > Illinois > and I have only a year for a Statue of Limitations > as > well...and there is some question as to whether the > statute " tolls " when the injury occurs, or when you > actually learn the extent of your injury. I was > first > diagnosed with Asherman's in July of this year so I > would argue that I have until July of 2001 to make a > decision to sue....but it could also be argued that > my > time has expired as well. > > To be honest, I'm not sure I really have the energy > to > sue at this point. I really want this all to be > over > and the thought of dredging through years of > litigation over this is really too much for me to > handle at this point. I am having a hard enough > time > devoting all this time and energy to " fixing " > this....the thought of trying to maintain a medical > malpractice suit on top of it is just too painful to > think about. > > AND, there is also the matter of my particular > medical > history. I have a history of keloid scars...i.e. > whenever I scar I develop very thick, raised, red > scars. It's due to what is called a hypercollgenic > response (it's heriditary). So, I actually believe > that I may have scarred no matter HOW gentle or > appropriate my D & C was due to my tendency towards > keloids. Of course, I wouldn't have needed a D & C at > all had my OB actually removed all the placenta, > which > she did not.... > > > I turned 34 in September so I too am feeling the > " push " to try to conceive as soon as possible. I > really wanted to " finish " our family before aage 35 > to > avoid the increased risk of birth defects...but it > isn't looking very likely that that will happen at > this point...I'll have to settle for giving birth > sometime during my 35th year instead. > > As for surrogacy...while I really admire women who > can > do that...I just know I am not one of them. The > thought of another woman carrying my child just > would > flip me out. I would have to have the person living > in my home and attached to me at the hip so I could > constantly monitor everything they put into their > body > and everything they did! (Can you tell I'm a bit of > a > control freak!?) It would just be far too emotional > a > thing for me to deal with I'm afraid. If, for > whatever reason, we are unable to have another > biological child (our daughter turned 3 in > September) > then we will be taking the adoption route I think. > We > have tentatively discussed it and I think my husband > and I both feel very strongly about Hannah having a > sibling as well..(and we'd always planned on having > multiple children) so I think that is the direction > we > will take if it becomes necessary, but I don't think > I'm convinced that it will be necessary yet. > > I don't know yet how thick my lining gets. I was > supposed to start lining building injections in > November just as soon as I got my period...but my > period never came (and I now know that I scarred > over > after my IUD removal in October). During the month > after surgery I was on 4 mg of estrogen a day and I > had a 3-day cycle....about 24 hours of spotting and > 48 > hours of moderate (but not heavy) flow. So, I'm > betting that my lining is somewhere in the 5-6mm > range > with the estrogen. My RE has discussed using > estrogen > and injectible progesterine and possible viagra to > try > to build my lining for an IVF attempt....but I have > to > get back to " open " to even try that so I'm kind of > " on > hold " with my lining building at the moment. > > I hope you enjoy your holidays....take care of > yourself - and your son! > > Gwen > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2000 Report Share Posted December 25, 2000 Gwen, You are right about lawsuits, that they just keep the misery going. However, infertility becomes very expensive, and then to add surrogacy on top of it, well, it becomes astronomical! I've had a very hard time knowing that the OB who ruined the last three years of my life has just gone on treating other patients and making a ton of money, while we've spent a ton of money we don't have on infertility. Hopefully we won't have to pursue surrogacy and will be spared that giant emotional and financial cost. I did file a charge of malpractice against her with both the county and state medical boards. The county found her negligent, but in California, only the state board can do anything to her. The state just decided that I didn't prove she actually did anything wrong. But they've asked for my rebuttal, and right now I don't want to spend the energy on that. So, I'm letting it go. But I worry for the future women this OB treats. I don't have any healing problems, and every doctor I've spoken with said she had to have performed " too rigorous " of a d & c and she probably did that to be sure she still didn't leave anything behind. I really believe she didn't know that performing a rigorous d & c on a post pardem woman could cause what it did. And, when an OB doesn't know something like that, that is very concerning! My bleeding is lessening, but still continues. I go for another ultrasound in a week, and hopefully everything still looks good. I am going to speak to the OB at that time about whether I should be seeing a periontologist, which I think I should. Good luck to you in 2001! R. --- G Hassan wrote: > > : No, I haven't sued my OB...I live in > Illinois > and I have only a year for a Statue of Limitations > as > well...and there is some question as to whether the > statute " tolls " when the injury occurs, or when you > actually learn the extent of your injury. I was > first > diagnosed with Asherman's in July of this year so I > would argue that I have until July of 2001 to make a > decision to sue....but it could also be argued that > my > time has expired as well. > > To be honest, I'm not sure I really have the energy > to > sue at this point. I really want this all to be > over > and the thought of dredging through years of > litigation over this is really too much for me to > handle at this point. I am having a hard enough > time > devoting all this time and energy to " fixing " > this....the thought of trying to maintain a medical > malpractice suit on top of it is just too painful to > think about. > > AND, there is also the matter of my particular > medical > history. I have a history of keloid scars...i.e. > whenever I scar I develop very thick, raised, red > scars. It's due to what is called a hypercollgenic > response (it's heriditary). So, I actually believe > that I may have scarred no matter HOW gentle or > appropriate my D & C was due to my tendency towards > keloids. Of course, I wouldn't have needed a D & C at > all had my OB actually removed all the placenta, > which > she did not.... > > > I turned 34 in September so I too am feeling the > " push " to try to conceive as soon as possible. I > really wanted to " finish " our family before aage 35 > to > avoid the increased risk of birth defects...but it > isn't looking very likely that that will happen at > this point...I'll have to settle for giving birth > sometime during my 35th year instead. > > As for surrogacy...while I really admire women who > can > do that...I just know I am not one of them. The > thought of another woman carrying my child just > would > flip me out. I would have to have the person living > in my home and attached to me at the hip so I could > constantly monitor everything they put into their > body > and everything they did! (Can you tell I'm a bit of > a > control freak!?) It would just be far too emotional > a > thing for me to deal with I'm afraid. If, for > whatever reason, we are unable to have another > biological child (our daughter turned 3 in > September) > then we will be taking the adoption route I think. > We > have tentatively discussed it and I think my husband > and I both feel very strongly about Hannah having a > sibling as well..(and we'd always planned on having > multiple children) so I think that is the direction > we > will take if it becomes necessary, but I don't think > I'm convinced that it will be necessary yet. > > I don't know yet how thick my lining gets. I was > supposed to start lining building injections in > November just as soon as I got my period...but my > period never came (and I now know that I scarred > over > after my IUD removal in October). During the month > after surgery I was on 4 mg of estrogen a day and I > had a 3-day cycle....about 24 hours of spotting and > 48 > hours of moderate (but not heavy) flow. So, I'm > betting that my lining is somewhere in the 5-6mm > range > with the estrogen. My RE has discussed using > estrogen > and injectible progesterine and possible viagra to > try > to build my lining for an IVF attempt....but I have > to > get back to " open " to even try that so I'm kind of > " on > hold " with my lining building at the moment. > > I hope you enjoy your holidays....take care of > yourself - and your son! > > Gwen > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2000 Report Share Posted December 25, 2000 Gwen, You are right about lawsuits, that they just keep the misery going. However, infertility becomes very expensive, and then to add surrogacy on top of it, well, it becomes astronomical! I've had a very hard time knowing that the OB who ruined the last three years of my life has just gone on treating other patients and making a ton of money, while we've spent a ton of money we don't have on infertility. Hopefully we won't have to pursue surrogacy and will be spared that giant emotional and financial cost. I did file a charge of malpractice against her with both the county and state medical boards. The county found her negligent, but in California, only the state board can do anything to her. The state just decided that I didn't prove she actually did anything wrong. But they've asked for my rebuttal, and right now I don't want to spend the energy on that. So, I'm letting it go. But I worry for the future women this OB treats. I don't have any healing problems, and every doctor I've spoken with said she had to have performed " too rigorous " of a d & c and she probably did that to be sure she still didn't leave anything behind. I really believe she didn't know that performing a rigorous d & c on a post pardem woman could cause what it did. And, when an OB doesn't know something like that, that is very concerning! My bleeding is lessening, but still continues. I go for another ultrasound in a week, and hopefully everything still looks good. I am going to speak to the OB at that time about whether I should be seeing a periontologist, which I think I should. Good luck to you in 2001! R. --- G Hassan wrote: > > : No, I haven't sued my OB...I live in > Illinois > and I have only a year for a Statue of Limitations > as > well...and there is some question as to whether the > statute " tolls " when the injury occurs, or when you > actually learn the extent of your injury. I was > first > diagnosed with Asherman's in July of this year so I > would argue that I have until July of 2001 to make a > decision to sue....but it could also be argued that > my > time has expired as well. > > To be honest, I'm not sure I really have the energy > to > sue at this point. I really want this all to be > over > and the thought of dredging through years of > litigation over this is really too much for me to > handle at this point. I am having a hard enough > time > devoting all this time and energy to " fixing " > this....the thought of trying to maintain a medical > malpractice suit on top of it is just too painful to > think about. > > AND, there is also the matter of my particular > medical > history. I have a history of keloid scars...i.e. > whenever I scar I develop very thick, raised, red > scars. It's due to what is called a hypercollgenic > response (it's heriditary). So, I actually believe > that I may have scarred no matter HOW gentle or > appropriate my D & C was due to my tendency towards > keloids. Of course, I wouldn't have needed a D & C at > all had my OB actually removed all the placenta, > which > she did not.... > > > I turned 34 in September so I too am feeling the > " push " to try to conceive as soon as possible. I > really wanted to " finish " our family before aage 35 > to > avoid the increased risk of birth defects...but it > isn't looking very likely that that will happen at > this point...I'll have to settle for giving birth > sometime during my 35th year instead. > > As for surrogacy...while I really admire women who > can > do that...I just know I am not one of them. The > thought of another woman carrying my child just > would > flip me out. I would have to have the person living > in my home and attached to me at the hip so I could > constantly monitor everything they put into their > body > and everything they did! (Can you tell I'm a bit of > a > control freak!?) It would just be far too emotional > a > thing for me to deal with I'm afraid. If, for > whatever reason, we are unable to have another > biological child (our daughter turned 3 in > September) > then we will be taking the adoption route I think. > We > have tentatively discussed it and I think my husband > and I both feel very strongly about Hannah having a > sibling as well..(and we'd always planned on having > multiple children) so I think that is the direction > we > will take if it becomes necessary, but I don't think > I'm convinced that it will be necessary yet. > > I don't know yet how thick my lining gets. I was > supposed to start lining building injections in > November just as soon as I got my period...but my > period never came (and I now know that I scarred > over > after my IUD removal in October). During the month > after surgery I was on 4 mg of estrogen a day and I > had a 3-day cycle....about 24 hours of spotting and > 48 > hours of moderate (but not heavy) flow. So, I'm > betting that my lining is somewhere in the 5-6mm > range > with the estrogen. My RE has discussed using > estrogen > and injectible progesterine and possible viagra to > try > to build my lining for an IVF attempt....but I have > to > get back to " open " to even try that so I'm kind of > " on > hold " with my lining building at the moment. > > I hope you enjoy your holidays....take care of > yourself - and your son! > > Gwen > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2001 Report Share Posted January 29, 2001 Gwen Hi Gwen Thank you for your explanation that it could be spotting, that has given me peace of mind and hopefully I will have a " full flow " soon enough. I have emailed my consultant again, I already said that I was bleeding but all she said was that it was good news and didn't offer any kind of explanation which is probably why I turned to you guys first. I hope that you are feeling a little better after your surgery last week. Take care Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2001 Report Share Posted February 12, 2001 Dear Gwen, The tears are rolling down my face as I just finished reading your letter and needed to reply immediately. I am so sorry for your results. Yes, you are blessed to have a biological daughter and such a wonderful and understanding husband. When I was reading, I thought God has a bigger plan for Gwen and her family. There is a child out there for you that needs you. And then I read what your husband said, he took the words right out of my mouth. I would dive right into the adoption process. I know it would help me to recover emotionally. There certainly is no reason to wait or to dwell on the unfortunate results of your surgery. You are a strong woman and you will get through this. And before you know it, you'll be sending us photos of your beautiful new child who will fulfill all your hopes and dreams. God Bless you and your family at this difficult time. Love, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2001 Report Share Posted March 24, 2001 Gwen- Thanks for the information. I'm glad I asked, because I thought the best time to check thickness was towards the end of the cycle. Thanks again for responding. - " A " list and time for ultrasound >The answer to your questions is " yes " ! There is an actual list that >has been compiled - we used the criteria of only listing doctors that >had received independent recommendations from other Asherman's >doctors. I think there are only a few on the list - you can find it >on the web site. > >As far as the ultrasound, they say the best time to have an >ultrasound to check lining is around day 14 (assuming you ovulate at >day 15 or so.) For me it is about day 18 because I have 32-34 day >cycles. So, whatever the day is that is normally right before >ovulation is the best time for an ultrasound to assess uterine lining >thickness. > >Hope this helps! > >GWen > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2001 Report Share Posted March 24, 2001 Gwen- Thanks for the information. I'm glad I asked, because I thought the best time to check thickness was towards the end of the cycle. Thanks again for responding. - " A " list and time for ultrasound >The answer to your questions is " yes " ! There is an actual list that >has been compiled - we used the criteria of only listing doctors that >had received independent recommendations from other Asherman's >doctors. I think there are only a few on the list - you can find it >on the web site. > >As far as the ultrasound, they say the best time to have an >ultrasound to check lining is around day 14 (assuming you ovulate at >day 15 or so.) For me it is about day 18 because I have 32-34 day >cycles. So, whatever the day is that is normally right before >ovulation is the best time for an ultrasound to assess uterine lining >thickness. > >Hope this helps! > >GWen > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2001 Report Share Posted March 24, 2001 Gwen- Thanks for the information. I'm glad I asked, because I thought the best time to check thickness was towards the end of the cycle. Thanks again for responding. - " A " list and time for ultrasound >The answer to your questions is " yes " ! There is an actual list that >has been compiled - we used the criteria of only listing doctors that >had received independent recommendations from other Asherman's >doctors. I think there are only a few on the list - you can find it >on the web site. > >As far as the ultrasound, they say the best time to have an >ultrasound to check lining is around day 14 (assuming you ovulate at >day 15 or so.) For me it is about day 18 because I have 32-34 day >cycles. So, whatever the day is that is normally right before >ovulation is the best time for an ultrasound to assess uterine lining >thickness. > >Hope this helps! > >GWen > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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