Guest guest Posted April 4, 2002 Report Share Posted April 4, 2002 Is this something to worry about? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope not:-) Mine was 49 at bedtime last night which is lower than usual:-) I ate a couple of slices of cheese and a boiled egg and woke up to a reading of 85. I usually go pretty low by 1 a.m. which is typically when I go to bed. Art (Suggest to your husband that he stay away from the rice. . . .that blows mine up as well) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2002 Report Share Posted April 4, 2002 Is this something to worry about? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope not:-) Mine was 49 at bedtime last night which is lower than usual:-) I ate a couple of slices of cheese and a boiled egg and woke up to a reading of 85. I usually go pretty low by 1 a.m. which is typically when I go to bed. Art (Suggest to your husband that he stay away from the rice. . . .that blows mine up as well) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2002 Report Share Posted April 4, 2002 ette, rice has as high or higher a glycemic index as sugar. In a type II (your dh is II right?) high glycemic carbs will spike one's blood sugar, as you saw, the body will secrete insulin, if it still can, and many II's can, to control the spike, thus the sudden fall. We call it the roller coaster effect. The way to avoid this, as you said, is to avoid the high glycemic carbs that cause it. The good news is that he wasn't high for very long, so probably avoided any damage, and 81 is not particularly low. 65 is the " technical " hypoglycemic level. Good job on the testing!! Hope you're keeping notes. Barb > This evening, my husband's 1-hour post-meal test was 176 [yes, I know, > not good. Dinner included some rice, which we think is the culprit]. > Two-hour test was 164 [done at 11:20, we usually eat late due to how > late he gets home from work]. At 1:03am, right before he went to bed, > his BG had plunged to 81 [he said he felt fine]. I'm puzzled [and a bit > worried] by how steeply his BG dropped in a span of about 1 hour and 45 > minutes. Is this something to worry about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2002 Report Share Posted April 4, 2002 ette, rice has as high or higher a glycemic index as sugar. In a type II (your dh is II right?) high glycemic carbs will spike one's blood sugar, as you saw, the body will secrete insulin, if it still can, and many II's can, to control the spike, thus the sudden fall. We call it the roller coaster effect. The way to avoid this, as you said, is to avoid the high glycemic carbs that cause it. The good news is that he wasn't high for very long, so probably avoided any damage, and 81 is not particularly low. 65 is the " technical " hypoglycemic level. Good job on the testing!! Hope you're keeping notes. Barb > This evening, my husband's 1-hour post-meal test was 176 [yes, I know, > not good. Dinner included some rice, which we think is the culprit]. > Two-hour test was 164 [done at 11:20, we usually eat late due to how > late he gets home from work]. At 1:03am, right before he went to bed, > his BG had plunged to 81 [he said he felt fine]. I'm puzzled [and a bit > worried] by how steeply his BG dropped in a span of about 1 hour and 45 > minutes. Is this something to worry about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2002 Report Share Posted April 4, 2002 ette wrote: << Two-hour test was 164 [done at 11:20, we usually eat late due to how late he gets home from work]. At 1:03am, right before he went to bed, his BG had plunged to 81 >> That's what we call the glucose rollercoaster ride - a spike followed by a dive. It's hard on the pancreas and liver to keep that up. Yes, the rice is a likely culprit. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2002 Report Share Posted April 4, 2002 ette wrote: << Two-hour test was 164 [done at 11:20, we usually eat late due to how late he gets home from work]. At 1:03am, right before he went to bed, his BG had plunged to 81 >> That's what we call the glucose rollercoaster ride - a spike followed by a dive. It's hard on the pancreas and liver to keep that up. Yes, the rice is a likely culprit. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2002 Report Share Posted April 4, 2002 That may not even do the job, ette...best thing to do is test before and one and two hours after rice. Do it a couple of times so he gets the idea...then do it with exercise too, testing at the same time...see how much that reduces it. Maybe it'll work, the only way you'll know is to eat and test and keep good notes. And let us know the results too. I've never read of a diabetic who could eat rice without a major rise in BG -- even with exercise, but maybe he'll be the exception to the rule. Vicki In a message dated 04/04/2002 4:44:34 PM US Mountain Standard Time, seanette@... writes: > > According to my research, rice can be a problem for a lot of people, > which is going to upset my husband [he's the diabetic, I'm not], because > he loves Chinese food. Well, it may have to be the case that if he wants > to eat rice, he needs to go take a brisk walk shortly after eating it in > order to keep those spikes down. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2002 Report Share Posted April 4, 2002 That may not even do the job, ette...best thing to do is test before and one and two hours after rice. Do it a couple of times so he gets the idea...then do it with exercise too, testing at the same time...see how much that reduces it. Maybe it'll work, the only way you'll know is to eat and test and keep good notes. And let us know the results too. I've never read of a diabetic who could eat rice without a major rise in BG -- even with exercise, but maybe he'll be the exception to the rule. Vicki In a message dated 04/04/2002 4:44:34 PM US Mountain Standard Time, seanette@... writes: > > According to my research, rice can be a problem for a lot of people, > which is going to upset my husband [he's the diabetic, I'm not], because > he loves Chinese food. Well, it may have to be the case that if he wants > to eat rice, he needs to go take a brisk walk shortly after eating it in > order to keep those spikes down. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2002 Report Share Posted April 4, 2002 Oh yes...it is possible to eat Chinese food without the rice. Lots of us have done that. But watch out for the sauces too...Vicki In a message dated 04/04/2002 4:44:34 PM US Mountain Standard Time, seanette@... writes: > > According to my research, rice can be a problem for a lot of people, > which is going to upset my husband [he's the diabetic, I'm not], because > he loves Chinese food. Well, it may have to be the case that if he wants > to eat rice, he needs to go take a brisk walk shortly after eating it in > order to keep those spikes down. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2002 Report Share Posted April 4, 2002 Oh yes...it is possible to eat Chinese food without the rice. Lots of us have done that. But watch out for the sauces too...Vicki In a message dated 04/04/2002 4:44:34 PM US Mountain Standard Time, seanette@... writes: > > According to my research, rice can be a problem for a lot of people, > which is going to upset my husband [he's the diabetic, I'm not], because > he loves Chinese food. Well, it may have to be the case that if he wants > to eat rice, he needs to go take a brisk walk shortly after eating it in > order to keep those spikes down. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2002 Report Share Posted April 4, 2002 It's hard on the pancreas and liver to keep that up. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since I started low carbing I'm usually right around 120+/- 5 points 2 hours after dinner which is usually right around 6 at the latest. By 1 a.m. I drop a LOT. Usually 70-80 range by then, but occasionally I go really low. Last night it was 49 at one. I felt fine, but ate a boiled egg and a couple of slices of swiss cheese. I woke up to a reading of 85:-) and am now (3:30) at 123. I still ride the coaster:-), but most of the time in desirable range. Art Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2002 Report Share Posted April 4, 2002 It's hard on the pancreas and liver to keep that up. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since I started low carbing I'm usually right around 120+/- 5 points 2 hours after dinner which is usually right around 6 at the latest. By 1 a.m. I drop a LOT. Usually 70-80 range by then, but occasionally I go really low. Last night it was 49 at one. I felt fine, but ate a boiled egg and a couple of slices of swiss cheese. I woke up to a reading of 85:-) and am now (3:30) at 123. I still ride the coaster:-), but most of the time in desirable range. Art Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2002 Report Share Posted April 4, 2002 Hi, Fran! > Pretty name! I wouldn't be surprised if RICE was the > culprit. It sure does a no. on me. Post-meal > readings of 176 are not terrible considering the > rice...make notes on how those things do for you. According to my research, rice can be a problem for a lot of people, which is going to upset my husband [he's the diabetic, I'm not], because he loves Chinese food. Well, it may have to be the case that if he wants to eat rice, he needs to go take a brisk walk shortly after eating it in order to keep those spikes down. ette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2002 Report Share Posted April 4, 2002 Hi, Fran! > Pretty name! I wouldn't be surprised if RICE was the > culprit. It sure does a no. on me. Post-meal > readings of 176 are not terrible considering the > rice...make notes on how those things do for you. According to my research, rice can be a problem for a lot of people, which is going to upset my husband [he's the diabetic, I'm not], because he loves Chinese food. Well, it may have to be the case that if he wants to eat rice, he needs to go take a brisk walk shortly after eating it in order to keep those spikes down. ette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2002 Report Share Posted April 4, 2002 Hi, Barb! > ette, rice has as high or higher a glycemic index as sugar. In a type > II (your dh is II right?) high glycemic carbs will spike one's blood sugar, > as you saw, the body will secrete insulin, if it still can, and many II's > can, to control the spike, thus the sudden fall. We call it the roller > coaster effect. The way to avoid this, as you said, is to avoid the high > glycemic carbs that cause it. The good news is that he wasn't high for very > long, so probably avoided any damage, and 81 is not particularly low. 65 is > the " technical " hypoglycemic level. Yes, he's T2. So far, no meds necessary [he was just diagnosed last week, we're trying diet and exercise to get things under control]. His fasting tests the last two mornings have been in the 90s, so that's progress [the first fasting check we did when he started having symptoms was 292, not quite three weeks ago]. Now we need to get a handle on what foods are a bad idea. I think I'd better spend some time studying this glycemic index thing. ette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2002 Report Share Posted April 4, 2002 Hi, Barb! > ette, rice has as high or higher a glycemic index as sugar. In a type > II (your dh is II right?) high glycemic carbs will spike one's blood sugar, > as you saw, the body will secrete insulin, if it still can, and many II's > can, to control the spike, thus the sudden fall. We call it the roller > coaster effect. The way to avoid this, as you said, is to avoid the high > glycemic carbs that cause it. The good news is that he wasn't high for very > long, so probably avoided any damage, and 81 is not particularly low. 65 is > the " technical " hypoglycemic level. Yes, he's T2. So far, no meds necessary [he was just diagnosed last week, we're trying diet and exercise to get things under control]. His fasting tests the last two mornings have been in the 90s, so that's progress [the first fasting check we did when he started having symptoms was 292, not quite three weeks ago]. Now we need to get a handle on what foods are a bad idea. I think I'd better spend some time studying this glycemic index thing. ette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2002 Report Share Posted April 4, 2002 because he loves Chinese food. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chinese has been my absolute favorite since childhood. I still eat it, but do not touch the rice anymore. I did so too many times. For me it is worse than eating spoonsful of sugar. I suppose if he were to eat a very small quantity with a lot of other stuff and then take a walk or whatever it MIGHT be OK, but my problem is that it's like booze to an alcoholic. If I take that first bite I have to eat the whole darn container. BTW, the noodles (hmmmmmm, aren't they great?) are darn near as bad as rice. Tell your husband I commiserate with him:-) Art Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2002 Report Share Posted April 4, 2002 because he loves Chinese food. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chinese has been my absolute favorite since childhood. I still eat it, but do not touch the rice anymore. I did so too many times. For me it is worse than eating spoonsful of sugar. I suppose if he were to eat a very small quantity with a lot of other stuff and then take a walk or whatever it MIGHT be OK, but my problem is that it's like booze to an alcoholic. If I take that first bite I have to eat the whole darn container. BTW, the noodles (hmmmmmm, aren't they great?) are darn near as bad as rice. Tell your husband I commiserate with him:-) Art Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2002 Report Share Posted April 4, 2002 because he loves Chinese food. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chinese has been my absolute favorite since childhood. I still eat it, but do not touch the rice anymore. I did so too many times. For me it is worse than eating spoonsful of sugar. I suppose if he were to eat a very small quantity with a lot of other stuff and then take a walk or whatever it MIGHT be OK, but my problem is that it's like booze to an alcoholic. If I take that first bite I have to eat the whole darn container. BTW, the noodles (hmmmmmm, aren't they great?) are darn near as bad as rice. Tell your husband I commiserate with him:-) Art Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2002 Report Share Posted April 4, 2002 I can eat about a half cup without any problem, but that's all. :-) Christy I've never read > of a diabetic who could eat rice without a major rise in BG -- even with > exercise, but maybe he'll be the exception to the rule. Vicki > > > > In a message dated 04/04/2002 4:44:34 PM US Mountain Standard Time, > seanette@i... writes: > > > > > > According to my research, rice can be a problem for a lot of people, > > which is going to upset my husband [he's the diabetic, I'm not], because > > he loves Chinese food. Well, it may have to be the case that if he wants > > to eat rice, he needs to go take a brisk walk shortly after eating it in > > order to keep those spikes down. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2002 Report Share Posted April 4, 2002 I can eat about a half cup without any problem, but that's all. :-) Christy I've never read > of a diabetic who could eat rice without a major rise in BG -- even with > exercise, but maybe he'll be the exception to the rule. Vicki > > > > In a message dated 04/04/2002 4:44:34 PM US Mountain Standard Time, > seanette@i... writes: > > > > > > According to my research, rice can be a problem for a lot of people, > > which is going to upset my husband [he's the diabetic, I'm not], because > > he loves Chinese food. Well, it may have to be the case that if he wants > > to eat rice, he needs to go take a brisk walk shortly after eating it in > > order to keep those spikes down. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2002 Report Share Posted April 4, 2002 Sometimes we'll order a serving of brown rice instead of white. It's not a whole heck of a lot better, but since there's more fiber, it might be a nice alternative. From: ette Blaylock Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 6:41 PM To: diabetes_int Subject: Re: Puzzling Tests According to my research, rice can be a problem for a lot of people, which is going to upset my husband [he's the diabetic, I'm not], because he loves Chinese food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2002 Report Share Posted April 4, 2002 Hi, Art! > because he loves Chinese food. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Chinese has been my absolute favorite since childhood. I still eat it, but > do not touch the rice anymore. I did so too many times. For me it is worse > than eating spoonsful of sugar. I suppose if he were to eat a very small > quantity with a lot of other stuff and then take a walk or whatever it MIGHT > be OK, but my problem is that it's like booze to an alcoholic. If I take > that first bite I have to eat the whole darn container. BTW, the noodles > (hmmmmmm, aren't they great?) are darn near as bad as rice. > Tell your husband I commiserate with him:-) I forwarded your message to him. :-) ette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2002 Report Share Posted April 4, 2002 Hi, Art! > because he loves Chinese food. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Chinese has been my absolute favorite since childhood. I still eat it, but > do not touch the rice anymore. I did so too many times. For me it is worse > than eating spoonsful of sugar. I suppose if he were to eat a very small > quantity with a lot of other stuff and then take a walk or whatever it MIGHT > be OK, but my problem is that it's like booze to an alcoholic. If I take > that first bite I have to eat the whole darn container. BTW, the noodles > (hmmmmmm, aren't they great?) are darn near as bad as rice. > Tell your husband I commiserate with him:-) I forwarded your message to him. :-) ette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2002 Report Share Posted April 4, 2002 Hi, Art! > because he loves Chinese food. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Chinese has been my absolute favorite since childhood. I still eat it, but > do not touch the rice anymore. I did so too many times. For me it is worse > than eating spoonsful of sugar. I suppose if he were to eat a very small > quantity with a lot of other stuff and then take a walk or whatever it MIGHT > be OK, but my problem is that it's like booze to an alcoholic. If I take > that first bite I have to eat the whole darn container. BTW, the noodles > (hmmmmmm, aren't they great?) are darn near as bad as rice. > Tell your husband I commiserate with him:-) I forwarded your message to him. :-) ette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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