Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 Hi Jen, I usually get my Pro EFA and Pro EPA (Nordic Naturals) from a website name shopinservice.com, you can probably get it from Vitamin Stores too. evrethingnice <evrethingnice@...> wrote: My 5 year old son has recently been diagnosed with apraxia as well as mild MR. I feel that his speech delays are getting in the way of him perfoming to his potential on standardized testing but we will see. I have two questions.Where can I find EFA suppliments and what dose should I start my child on. ( is a big Kid 60lbs) No one seems to want to answer this queston but I would really like to start this with . Second I have done some reading on apraxia and understand that the more speech therapy the better. My son is reciving special education services in kindergarden under sppech and language imparement. At his PET last night his speech therapist recommended he go from 3 sessions down to 2 for a total of 90 minutes. She said he was getting comunication skills throughout his day and shouldn't need to see her as much. I would like some advice on how to convince them that needs more speech therapy not less. I also felt she may not have been a good match with becuase while others shared a lot of 's strentghs she seemed to only see his needs. Thanks Jen --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new . --------------------------------- Low, Low, Low Rates! Check out Messenger's cheap PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 Hi Jen, I usually get my Pro EFA and Pro EPA (Nordic Naturals) from a website name shopinservice.com, you can probably get it from Vitamin Stores too. evrethingnice <evrethingnice@...> wrote: My 5 year old son has recently been diagnosed with apraxia as well as mild MR. I feel that his speech delays are getting in the way of him perfoming to his potential on standardized testing but we will see. I have two questions.Where can I find EFA suppliments and what dose should I start my child on. ( is a big Kid 60lbs) No one seems to want to answer this queston but I would really like to start this with . Second I have done some reading on apraxia and understand that the more speech therapy the better. My son is reciving special education services in kindergarden under sppech and language imparement. At his PET last night his speech therapist recommended he go from 3 sessions down to 2 for a total of 90 minutes. She said he was getting comunication skills throughout his day and shouldn't need to see her as much. I would like some advice on how to convince them that needs more speech therapy not less. I also felt she may not have been a good match with becuase while others shared a lot of 's strentghs she seemed to only see his needs. Thanks Jen --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new . --------------------------------- Low, Low, Low Rates! Check out Messenger's cheap PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 Wow Vickie, Your situation is unique and I dont have much advice to offer but wanted to let you know there are many incredibly helpful people here and hopefully answers are on the way. If you dont mind me asking what have you done to manage so far? Mandi Florida In a message dated 3/1/2008 9:12:07 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, hurtinmomma@... writes: Hi! I'm new to the group. I am 50 and was diagnosed with RA about 9 months ago. My frustration has been the limited medications that can be prescribed for me. I gave a kidney to my sister two years ago and have to be careful of the medications I take. I'm hoping there is someone out there who is in the " same boat " I am in that share their experiences. Vickie **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 Hi! I'm new to the group. I am 50 and was diagnosed with RA about 9 months ago. My frustration has been the limited medications that can be prescribed for me. I gave a kidney to my sister two years ago and have to be careful of the medications I take. I'm hoping there is someone out there who is in the " same boat " I am in that share their experiences. Vickie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 Hi! Mandi, thanks for the encouragement. I am currently taking Tylenol as needed and Plaquenil 2-200Mg tablets per day. I am in the process of being weaned off prednisone. For a while I was taking Methotrexate, which really affected my vision. I am fortunate to have a spa, which gives some temporary relief. Most people tell me once the meds are correct they deal with only occasional pain. Do you know this to be true? Vickie > > Wow Vickie, > Your situation is unique and I dont have much advice to offer but wanted to > let you know there are many incredibly helpful people here and hopefully > answers are on the way. If you dont mind me asking what have you done to manage > so far? > > Mandi > Florida > > > In a message dated 3/1/2008 9:12:07 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > hurtinmomma@... writes: > > > > > Hi! I'm new to the group. I am 50 and was diagnosed with RA about 9 > months ago. My frustration has been the limited medications that can > be prescribed for me. I gave a kidney to my sister two years ago and > have to be careful of the medications I take. I'm hoping there is > someone out there who is in the " same boat " I am in that share their > experiences. > > Vickie > > > > > > > > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel- campos-duffy/ > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Hi , I read your post regarding the high pressure Vaccine bullying from your doc. This is what most every parent goes through. It is horrible and sad to hear. Stick to your guns ! You are doing the right thing. The Neurologist is main stream and I doubt highly that he/she would ever recommend not vaxing (remember it is for the " greater good of the community " and not your child) . Stick to your guns...Your " mom-gut " is talking to you so you must listen to it. If you feel so strongly about not vaccinating stick to your guns because NOBODY but YOU will be left with the end result and after all is said and done NOBODY but mommy will have the responsibility of your children. ============================================================== > > Hey all, > > Neither my 2 year old daughter or 4 1/2 month old daughter have had any vaccines, and I intend to keep it that way. My husband thinks there is nothing wrong with vaccinating because " everyone he knows does it, and is fine " . However, he has told me he would like to know more about the topic, mainly disease risk vs vaccine risk. He is a numbers guy, so he likes to see statistics. The problem is, every time I show him info, he says that I am only showing him why you SHOULDN'T vaccinate, to which I respond, " that's because I don't believe there are any benefits to vaccinating " . Obviously, he does feel somewhat uncomftorable with vaccinating because he does not push the issue, but he doesn't really want to discuss it much either. I really want him on my side with this, and would really like to convince him that vaccines are dangerous. > My 4 1/2 month old has an arachnoid cyst on her brain which they discovered while I was pregnant. They actually thought she had dandy-walker syndrome and put us through a lot of unnecessary worrying. Well, I called her neurologist today to get his opinion on vaccinating because I figure he must see a lot of autistic children. My husband also respects him, and said he would be interested in what he has to say. I am praying that he tells me what I want to hear, but am not betting on it. My husband also thinks dr.'s would never do anything to endanger a child's health, and feels we should listen to them more often than not. I do not feel that way, and mostly do not trust them. In fact, I do not plan to take my baby to any more well baby check ups, because I feel they are unnecessary, and am tired of getting the vaccine lecture. Last time I was there, I felt like I was going to have a panic attack because of this conversation: Dr.: " These are the shots Brooklyn will be getting today " (she names them off) Me: I don't plan to vaccinate, espcially with being on medication that is lowering her immune system " Dr.: Well, a little protection is better than none....in fact, let me go see what my colleagues have to say... " she comes back in the room, and says this: " Yup, they agree with me, so this is what she's going to get today " , and, she goes on to tell me what shots and what to expect (fever, redness, etc.). Well, in my head, i am panicing,because I feel like I need to get out of this situation quick, and I always feel so intimidated by dr.'s.(ugh!) I tell her I have to talk to my husband before I make a decision like that. She says " well, can you call him, because I am really worried that if she were to get a fever at this age, she would need all kinds of testing, including kidneys and a spinal tap " . (basically, trying to scare me!) > I tell her no, that he is working and doesn't answer at work. I then tell her that I will call and make an appt if I change my mind...of course never planning to. She leaves the room without saying goodbye and goes onto her next appt. I leave relieved, but also do not feel comftorable going to any more of these " well baby " visits. They never did that back in the day, and I feel like it is just one more way to control parents and take your money. > Well, that was a little longer than I anticipated writing...I guess what I would like to know is where I can find some good statistics on disease risk vs vaccine risk. Thanks in advance! (The last part was just me venting... > > ~ (VA) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Sheri's got a page of statistics but can't remember where. It might be good to have him take her vaccine dangers class too. if he's willing to shoot up his kids, he should research it more. You can't undo bad. Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 16, Jon 14, 12, 10, 7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 1 http://momof6.dotphoto.com <http://momof6.dotphoto.com/> for not necessarily current pictures http://nitasspot.blogspot.com Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough to make them all yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Hi I'm a numbers gal myself! One thing I would suggest for your DH is looking in to adverse reaction reporting. " ^1 *Passive Surveillance* - Passive surveillance systems rely on health professionals or vaccinees to voluntarily submit reports of illness following vaccination. Limitations of passive surveillance systems include variability in reporting standards, reporter bias and significant under-reporting of events. " http://vaers.hhs.gov/info.htm#1 If there is a " significant under-reporting of events " that makes their data pretty worthless. They can't extrapolate cause they don't know what is under-reported and by what amount. " Each report provides valuable information that is added to the VAERS database. Accurate and complete reporting of post-vaccination events supplies the information needed for evaluation of vaccine safety. The CDC and FDA use VAERS information to ensure the safest strategies of vaccine use and to further reduce the rare risks associated with vaccines. " http://vaers.hhs.gov/vaers.htm How can they assess safety if most events are not reported? It's the same in the UK, this is in my top 3 reasons not to vax. Jess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 http://www.wellwithin1.com/bookstor.htm#vaccine this book is small and lots of numbers and stats and charts that appeal to many men It isn't his latest book but easy to read and covers most of the vaccines I suggest this one Vaccines: Are They Really Safe & Effective <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=1881217302/wellwithinA/>Vaccines: Are They Really Safe & Effective by Neil Z. - new edition August 2002 <http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1881217302/wellwithin-21/202-2017433-6\ 213405>For those in the UK click here This one is good because it has a lot of statistics Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington State, USA Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm or http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy Online/email courses - next classes start September 9 & 10 http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm or http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Rest assured, that doctor did NOT go into the other room to check others' opinions on the subject. What a load of horsepoop. That's not how doctors get their medical education by going to check with others in the vicinity. Sounds like she was selling you a car " let me check with my manager, oh sorry that price won't fly with him. " Winnie looking for some advice Vaccinations > Hey all, > > Neither my 2 year old daughter or 4 1/2 month old daughter > have had any vaccines, and I intend to keep it that way. My > husband thinks there is nothing wrong with vaccinating because > " everyone he knows does it, and is fine " . However, he has told > me he would like to know more about the topic, mainly disease > risk vs vaccine risk. He is a numbers guy, so he likes to see > statistics. The problem is, every time I show him info, he says > that I am only showing him why you SHOULDN'T vaccinate, to which > I respond, " that's because I don't believe there are any > benefits to vaccinating " . Obviously, he does feel somewhat > uncomftorable with vaccinating because he does not push the > issue, but he doesn't really want to discuss it much either. I > really want him on my side with this, and would really like to > convince him that vaccines are dangerous. > My 4 1/2 month old has an arachnoid cyst on her brain which > they discovered while I was pregnant. They actually thought she > had dandy-walker syndrome and put us through a lot of > unnecessary worrying. Well, I called her neurologist today to > get his opinion on vaccinating because I figure he must see a > lot of autistic children. My husband also respects him, and said > he would be interested in what he has to say. I am praying that > he tells me what I want to hear, but am not betting on it. My > husband also thinks dr.'s would never do anything to endanger a > child's health, and feels we should listen to them more often > than not. I do not feel that way, and mostly do not trust them. > In fact, I do not plan to take my baby to any more well baby > check ups, because I feel they are unnecessary, and am tired of > getting the vaccine lecture. Last time I was there, I felt like > I was going to have a panic attack because of this conversation: > Dr.: " These are the shots Brooklyn will be getting today " (she > names them off) Me: I don't plan to vaccinate, espcially with > being on medication that is lowering her immune system " > Dr.: Well, a little protection is better than none....in fact, > let me go see what my colleagues have to say... " she comes back > in the room, and says this: " Yup, they agree with me, so this is > what she's going to get today " , and, she goes on to tell me what > shots and what to expect (fever, redness, etc.). Well, in my > head, i am panicing,because I feel like I need to get out of > this situation quick, and I always feel so intimidated by > dr.'s.(ugh!) I tell her I have to talk to my husband before I > make a decision like that. She says " well, can you call him, > because I am really worried that if she were to get a fever at > this age, she would need all kinds of testing, including kidneys > and a spinal tap " . (basically, trying to scare me!) > I tell her no, that he is working and doesn't answer at work. I > then tell her that I will call and make an appt if I change my > mind...of course never planning to. She leaves the room without > saying goodbye and goes onto her next appt. I leave relieved, > but also do not feel comftorable going to any more of these > " well baby " visits. They never did that back in the day, and I > feel like it is just one more way to control parents and take > your money. > Well, that was a little longer than I anticipated writing...I > guess what I would like to know is where I can find some good > statistics on disease risk vs vaccine risk. Thanks in advance! > (The last part was just me venting... > > ~ (VA) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Yeah, I kind of figured....in past visits, she had not been as pushy as she was at this one. The thing is, she knows about the cyst on 's brain, and I think that's the thing that made me the most mad. You know she actually had the nerve to say to me that she has 3 nephews that have autism, and that she still vaccinates her children on time....as if that would make me change my mind!? If anything, it just made me think she was an idiot for doing so....because to me, that just doesn't make any sense........... From: wharrison@... <wharrison@...> Subject: Re: looking for some advice Vaccinations Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 2:05 AM Â Rest assured, that doctor did NOT go into the other room to check others' opinions on the subject. What a load of horsepoop. That's not how doctors get their medical education by going to check with others in the vicinity. Sounds like she was selling you a car " let me check with my manager, oh sorry that price won't fly with him. " Winnie looking for some advice Vaccinations > Hey all, > > Neither my 2 year old daughter or 4 1/2 month old daughter > have had any vaccines, and I intend to keep it that way. My > husband thinks there is nothing wrong with vaccinating because > " everyone he knows does it, and is fine " . However, he has told > me he would like to know more about the topic, mainly disease > risk vs vaccine risk. He is a numbers guy, so he likes to see > statistics. The problem is, every time I show him info, he says > that I am only showing him why you SHOULDN'T vaccinate, to which > I respond, " that's because I don't believe there are any > benefits to vaccinating " . Obviously, he does feel somewhat > uncomftorable with vaccinating because he does not push the > issue, but he doesn't really want to discuss it much either. I > really want him on my side with this, and would really like to > convince him that vaccines are dangerous. > My 4 1/2 month old has an arachnoid cyst on her brain which > they discovered while I was pregnant. They actually thought she > had dandy-walker syndrome and put us through a lot of > unnecessary worrying. Well, I called her neurologist today to > get his opinion on vaccinating because I figure he must see a > lot of autistic children. My husband also respects him, and said > he would be interested in what he has to say. I am praying that > he tells me what I want to hear, but am not betting on it. My > husband also thinks dr.'s would never do anything to endanger a > child's health, and feels we should listen to them more often > than not. I do not feel that way, and mostly do not trust them. > In fact, I do not plan to take my baby to any more well baby > check ups, because I feel they are unnecessary, and am tired of > getting the vaccine lecture. Last time I was there, I felt like > I was going to have a panic attack because of this conversation: > Dr.: " These are the shots Brooklyn will be getting today " (she > names them off) Me: I don't plan to vaccinate, espcially with > being on medication that is lowering her immune system " > Dr.: Well, a little protection is better than none....in fact, > let me go see what my colleagues have to say... " she comes back > in the room, and says this: " Yup, they agree with me, so this is > what she's going to get today " , and, she goes on to tell me what > shots and what to expect (fever, redness, etc.). Well, in my > head, i am panicing,because I feel like I need to get out of > this situation quick, and I always feel so intimidated by > dr.'s.(ugh!) I tell her I have to talk to my husband before I > make a decision like that. She says " well, can you call him, > because I am really worried that if she were to get a fever at > this age, she would need all kinds of testing, including kidneys > and a spinal tap " . (basically, trying to scare me!) > I tell her no, that he is working and doesn't answer at work. I > then tell her that I will call and make an appt if I change my > mind...of course never planning to. She leaves the room without > saying goodbye and goes onto her next appt. I leave relieved, > but also do not feel comftorable going to any more of these > " well baby " visits. They never did that back in the day, and I > feel like it is just one more way to control parents and take > your money. > Well, that was a little longer than I anticipated writing...I > guess what I would like to know is where I can find some good > statistics on disease risk vs vaccine risk. Thanks in advance! > (The last part was just me venting... > > ~ (VA) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 At 08:11 PM 8/15/2009, you wrote: >Yeah, I kind of figured....in past visits, she had not been as pushy >as she was at this one. The thing is, she knows about the cyst on >'s brain, I wonder how many of us have cysts on our brains I just hate that this is hanging over you all any symptoms? Sheri > and I think that's the thing that made me the most mad. You know > she actually had the nerve to say to me that she has 3 nephews that > have autism, and that she still vaccinates her children on > time....as if that would make me change my mind!? If anything, it > just made me think she was an idiot for doing so....because to me, > that just doesn't make any sense........... > > > > >From: wharrison@... <wharrison@...> >Subject: Re: looking for some advice >Vaccinations >Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 2:05 AM > > > > > > >Rest assured, that doctor did NOT go into the other room to check >others' opinions on the subject. What a load of horsepoop. That's >not how doctors get their medical education by going to check with >others in the vicinity. Sounds like she was selling you a car " let >me check with my manager, oh sorry that price won't fly with him. " > >Winnie > > looking for some advice >Vaccinations > > > Hey all, > > > > Neither my 2 year old daughter or 4 1/2 month old daughter > > have had any vaccines, and I intend to keep it that way. My > > husband thinks there is nothing wrong with vaccinating because > > " everyone he knows does it, and is fine " . However, he has told > > me he would like to know more about the topic, mainly disease > > risk vs vaccine risk. He is a numbers guy, so he likes to see > > statistics. The problem is, every time I show him info, he says > > that I am only showing him why you SHOULDN'T vaccinate, to which > > I respond, " that's because I don't believe there are any > > benefits to vaccinating " . Obviously, he does feel somewhat > > uncomftorable with vaccinating because he does not push the > > issue, but he doesn't really want to discuss it much either. I > > really want him on my side with this, and would really like to > > convince him that vaccines are dangerous. > > My 4 1/2 month old has an arachnoid cyst on her brain which > > they discovered while I was pregnant. They actually thought she > > had dandy-walker syndrome and put us through a lot of > > unnecessary worrying. Well, I called her neurologist today to > > get his opinion on vaccinating because I figure he must see a > > lot of autistic children. My husband also respects him, and said > > he would be interested in what he has to say. I am praying that > > he tells me what I want to hear, but am not betting on it. My > > husband also thinks dr.'s would never do anything to endanger a > > child's health, and feels we should listen to them more often > > than not. I do not feel that way, and mostly do not trust them. > > In fact, I do not plan to take my baby to any more well baby > > check ups, because I feel they are unnecessary, and am tired of > > getting the vaccine lecture. Last time I was there, I felt like > > I was going to have a panic attack because of this conversation: > > Dr.: " These are the shots Brooklyn will be getting today " (she > > names them off) Me: I don't plan to vaccinate, espcially with > > being on medication that is lowering her immune system " > > Dr.: Well, a little protection is better than none....in fact, > > let me go see what my colleagues have to say... " she comes back > > in the room, and says this: " Yup, they agree with me, so this is > > what she's going to get today " , and, she goes on to tell me what > > shots and what to expect (fever, redness, etc.). Well, in my > > head, i am panicing,because I feel like I need to get out of > > this situation quick, and I always feel so intimidated by > > dr.'s.(ugh!) I tell her I have to talk to my husband before I > > make a decision like that. She says " well, can you call him, > > because I am really worried that if she were to get a fever at > > this age, she would need all kinds of testing, including kidneys > > and a spinal tap " . (basically, trying to scare me!) > > I tell her no, that he is working and doesn't answer at work. I > > then tell her that I will call and make an appt if I change my > > mind...of course never planning to. She leaves the room without > > saying goodbye and goes onto her next appt. I leave relieved, > > but also do not feel comftorable going to any more of these > > " well baby " visits. They never did that back in the day, and I > > feel like it is just one more way to control parents and take > > your money. > > Well, that was a little longer than I anticipated writing...I > > guess what I would like to know is where I can find some good > > statistics on disease risk vs vaccine risk. Thanks in advance! > > (The last part was just me venting... > > > > ~ (VA) > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 She must be getting pressured from the powers that be. I have all sorts of comebacks to her statement about vaccinating her own despite the autistic nephews, but none conducive to continuing any kind of professional relationship. Honestly, " a little protection is better than none " and threatening you with spinal taps. What a jerk. Winnie looking for some advice > Vaccinations > > > Hey all, > > > > Neither my 2 year old daughter or 4 1/2 month old daughter > > have had any vaccines, and I intend to keep it that way. My > > husband thinks there is nothing wrong with vaccinating because > > " everyone he knows does it, and is fine " . However, he has told > > me he would like to know more about the topic, mainly disease > > risk vs vaccine risk. He is a numbers guy, so he likes to see > > statistics. The problem is, every time I show him info, he > says > > that I am only showing him why you SHOULDN'T vaccinate, to > which > > I respond, " that's because I don't believe there are any > > benefits to vaccinating " . Obviously, he does feel somewhat > > uncomftorable with vaccinating because he does not push the > > issue, but he doesn't really want to discuss it much either. I > > really want him on my side with this, and would really like to > > convince him that vaccines are dangerous. > > My 4 1/2 month old has an arachnoid cyst on her brain which > > they discovered while I was pregnant. They actually thought > she > > had dandy-walker syndrome and put us through a lot of > > unnecessary worrying. Well, I called her neurologist today to > > get his opinion on vaccinating because I figure he must see a > > lot of autistic children. My husband also respects him, and > said > > he would be interested in what he has to say. I am praying > that > > he tells me what I want to hear, but am not betting on it. My > > husband also thinks dr.'s would never do anything to endanger > a > > child's health, and feels we should listen to them more often > > than not. I do not feel that way, and mostly do not trust > them. > > In fact, I do not plan to take my baby to any more well baby > > check ups, because I feel they are unnecessary, and am tired > of > > getting the vaccine lecture. Last time I was there, I felt > like > > I was going to have a panic attack because of this > conversation: > > Dr.: " These are the shots Brooklyn will be getting today " (she > > names them off) Me: I don't plan to vaccinate, espcially with > > being on medication that is lowering her immune system " > > Dr.: Well, a little protection is better than none....in fact, > > let me go see what my colleagues have to say... " she comes > back > > in the room, and says this: " Yup, they agree with me, so this > is > > what she's going to get today " , and, she goes on to tell me > what > > shots and what to expect (fever, redness, etc.). Well, in my > > head, i am panicing,because I feel like I need to get out of > > this situation quick, and I always feel so intimidated by > > dr.'s.(ugh!) I tell her I have to talk to my husband before I > > make a decision like that. She says " well, can you call him, > > because I am really worried that if she were to get a fever at > > this age, she would need all kinds of testing, including > kidneys > > and a spinal tap " . (basically, trying to scare me!) > > I tell her no, that he is working and doesn't answer at work. > I > > then tell her that I will call and make an appt if I change my > > mind...of course never planning to. She leaves the room > without > > saying goodbye and goes onto her next appt. I leave relieved, > > but also do not feel comftorable going to any more of these > > " well baby " visits. They never did that back in the day, and I > > feel like it is just one more way to control parents and take > > your money. > > Well, that was a little longer than I anticipated writing...I > > guess what I would like to know is where I can find some good > > statistics on disease risk vs vaccine risk. Thanks in advance! > > (The last part was just me venting... > > > > ~ (VA) > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 actually Sheri, she has no symptoms at all, and it is so tiny in size her neurologist says that it will never pose a problem. My concern would be that if she were to ever have been vaccinated if that could trigger something bigger, you know? But, you're right, there are probably many of us that have cysts on our brains that don't even know it. I almost wish there were no such things as ultrasounds, because they really do cause a lot of worrying sometimes... had we not had any, we wouldn't even know about the cyst, and jsut thought we had a normal healthy baby. According to dr.'s, was supposed to be " uncoordinated " and possibly mentally slow, and she rolled over way before her sister ever did! They made me get an ultrasound once a week for the last 2 months of my pregnancy though, and I am wondering if there could be any negative effects from that? She does seem very sensitive to noises and so forth......does anyone know? > > >From: wharrison@optonline .net <wharrison@optonline .net> >Subject: Re: looking for some advice >Vaccinations >Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 2:05 AM > > > > > > >Rest assured, that doctor did NOT go into the other room to check >others' opinions on the subject. What a load of horsepoop. That's >not how doctors get their medical education by going to check with >others in the vicinity. Sounds like she was selling you a car " let >me check with my manager, oh sorry that price won't fly with him. " > >Winnie > > looking for some advice >Vaccinations > > > Hey all, > > > > Neither my 2 year old daughter or 4 1/2 month old daughter > > have had any vaccines, and I intend to keep it that way. My > > husband thinks there is nothing wrong with vaccinating because > > " everyone he knows does it, and is fine " . However, he has told > > me he would like to know more about the topic, mainly disease > > risk vs vaccine risk. He is a numbers guy, so he likes to see > > statistics. The problem is, every time I show him info, he says > > that I am only showing him why you SHOULDN'T vaccinate, to which > > I respond, " that's because I don't believe there are any > > benefits to vaccinating " . Obviously, he does feel somewhat > > uncomftorable with vaccinating because he does not push the > > issue, but he doesn't really want to discuss it much either. I > > really want him on my side with this, and would really like to > > convince him that vaccines are dangerous. > > My 4 1/2 month old has an arachnoid cyst on her brain which > > they discovered while I was pregnant. They actually thought she > > had dandy-walker syndrome and put us through a lot of > > unnecessary worrying. Well, I called her neurologist today to > > get his opinion on vaccinating because I figure he must see a > > lot of autistic children. My husband also respects him, and said > > he would be interested in what he has to say. I am praying that > > he tells me what I want to hear, but am not betting on it. My > > husband also thinks dr.'s would never do anything to endanger a > > child's health, and feels we should listen to them more often > > than not. I do not feel that way, and mostly do not trust them. > > In fact, I do not plan to take my baby to any more well baby > > check ups, because I feel they are unnecessary, and am tired of > > getting the vaccine lecture. Last time I was there, I felt like > > I was going to have a panic attack because of this conversation: > > Dr.: " These are the shots Brooklyn will be getting today " (she > > names them off) Me: I don't plan to vaccinate, espcially with > > being on medication that is lowering her immune system " > > Dr.: Well, a little protection is better than none....in fact, > > let me go see what my colleagues have to say... " she comes back > > in the room, and says this: " Yup, they agree with me, so this is > > what she's going to get today " , and, she goes on to tell me what > > shots and what to expect (fever, redness, etc.). Well, in my > > head, i am panicing,because I feel like I need to get out of > > this situation quick, and I always feel so intimidated by > > dr.'s.(ugh!) I tell her I have to talk to my husband before I > > make a decision like that. She says " well, can you call him, > > because I am really worried that if she were to get a fever at > > this age, she would need all kinds of testing, including kidneys > > and a spinal tap " . (basically, trying to scare me!) > > I tell her no, that he is working and doesn't answer at work. I > > then tell her that I will call and make an appt if I change my > > mind...of course never planning to. She leaves the room without > > saying goodbye and goes onto her next appt. I leave relieved, > > but also do not feel comftorable going to any more of these > > " well baby " visits. They never did that back in the day, and I > > feel like it is just one more way to control parents and take > > your money. > > Well, that was a little longer than I anticipated writing...I > > guess what I would like to know is where I can find some good > > statistics on disease risk vs vaccine risk. Thanks in advance! > > (The last part was just me venting... > > > > ~ (VA) > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Have you tried Dr. Sear's book on vaccinating? He is pro-vax but all the numbers and reasons he gives for vaxing is not convincing at all. In fact, all the reasons he gives for not vaxing makes sense. Read it first and pass it to your husband if you think he can read in between the lines. I know that was the book that made me change from spacing out the vax to not vaccinating at all. I think it really helped me that he was pro-vax. I felt a little bit like your husband before, not knowing if I trust the sources or thinking the sources was bias. > > Neither my 2 year old daughter or 4 1/2 month old daughter > > have had any vaccines, and I intend to keep it that way. My > > husband thinks there is nothing wrong with vaccinating because > > " everyone he knows does it, and is fine " . However, he has told > > me he would like to know more about the topic, mainly disease > > risk vs vaccine risk. He is a numbers guy, so he likes to see > > statistics. The problem is, every time I show him info, he > says > > that I am only showing him why you SHOULDN'T vaccinate, to > which > > I respond, " that's because I don't believe there are any > > benefits to vaccinating " . Obviously, he does feel somewhat > > uncomftorable with vaccinating because he does not push the > > issue, but he doesn't really want to discuss it much either. I > > really want him on my side with this, and would really like to > > convince him that vaccines are dangerous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 , start by reading the package inserts. When you find something very disturbing - show him!! Print it and highlight it. Vaccine manufacturers don't lie! You will find that often, babies are required to receive the same dose as a fully grown adult (under dosage instructions). Every vaccine carries the warning that they do not know if they cause cancer, alter your DNA or impair your fertility because studies have not been done. This warning has been on them for YEARS. Just read the package inserts. I'm sure your mouth will fall open and so will your husband's. A lot of information on the same page contradicts itself. For example, on one hand, they say studies were performed on infants 6 weeks or older. However, if premature, go by their birth date?! Okay...what if they were 3 months early?? http://vaers.hhs.gov/pdf/PackageInserts.pdf (click on right-hand column to bring up each one) My blog, along with this group has a lot of info.....http://vaccinesexposed.blogspot.com What really convinced my Marine hubby was showing him that a .5 ml dose was a one-size fits all. That made him sick. At 250 lbs. he would get the same dose as our brand new baby. Dawn > > Hey all, > > Neither my 2 year old daughter or 4 1/2 month old daughter have had any vaccines, and I intend to keep it that way. My husband thinks there is nothing wrong with vaccinating because " everyone he knows does it, and is fine " . However, he has told me he would like to know more about the topic, mainly disease risk vs vaccine risk. He is a numbers guy, so he likes to see statistics. The problem is, every time I show him info, he says that I am only showing him why you SHOULDN'T vaccinate, to which I respond, " that's because I don't believe there are any benefits to vaccinating " . Obviously, he does feel somewhat uncomftorable with vaccinating because he does not push the issue, but he doesn't really want to discuss it much either. I really want him on my side with this, and would really like to convince him that vaccines are dangerous. > My 4 1/2 month old has an arachnoid cyst on her brain which they discovered while I was pregnant. They actually thought she had dandy-walker syndrome and put us through a lot of unnecessary worrying. Well, I called her neurologist today to get his opinion on vaccinating because I figure he must see a lot of autistic children. My husband also respects him, and said he would be interested in what he has to say. I am praying that he tells me what I want to hear, but am not betting on it. My husband also thinks dr.'s would never do anything to endanger a child's health, and feels we should listen to them more often than not. I do not feel that way, and mostly do not trust them. In fact, I do not plan to take my baby to any more well baby check ups, because I feel they are unnecessary, and am tired of getting the vaccine lecture. Last time I was there, I felt like I was going to have a panic attack because of this conversation: Dr.: " These are the shots Brooklyn will be getting today " (she names them off) Me: I don't plan to vaccinate, espcially with being on medication that is lowering her immune system " Dr.: Well, a little protection is better than none....in fact, let me go see what my colleagues have to say... " she comes back in the room, and says this: " Yup, they agree with me, so this is what she's going to get today " , and, she goes on to tell me what shots and what to expect (fever, redness, etc.). Well, in my head, i am panicing,because I feel like I need to get out of this situation quick, and I always feel so intimidated by dr.'s.(ugh!) I tell her I have to talk to my husband before I make a decision like that. She says " well, can you call him, because I am really worried that if she were to get a fever at this age, she would need all kinds of testing, including kidneys and a spinal tap " . (basically, trying to scare me!) > I tell her no, that he is working and doesn't answer at work. I then tell her that I will call and make an appt if I change my mind...of course never planning to. She leaves the room without saying goodbye and goes onto her next appt. I leave relieved, but also do not feel comftorable going to any more of these " well baby " visits. They never did that back in the day, and I feel like it is just one more way to control parents and take your money. > Well, that was a little longer than I anticipated writing...I guess what I would like to know is where I can find some good statistics on disease risk vs vaccine risk. Thanks in advance! (The last part was just me venting... > > ~ (VA) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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