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It went from about 6.3 to 9.4

Ted

>

> > My PSA has gone up 50% in 6 months and I was advised to have a

second

> > biopsy. But since the first one was negative I decided on a PCA3,

which

> > I had this morning.

>

> From what score to what?

>

> Fifty percent in six months is a rather fast velocity. I recommend

> searching on PSA velocity at the Prostate Cancer Research Institute

> website: http://prostate-cancer.org/index.html

>

> Concerning PCA3Plus (current name), it does sound promising judging

by

> what I've read. However: from the Bostwick website, " A PCA3Plus

value of

> 35 or greater suggests a high likelihood of prostate cancer. Only a

> prostate biopsy can diagnose prostate cancer. This test's

performance

> has been established by Bostwick Laboratories. It has not been

approved

> by the United States Food and Drug administration and should not be

used

> as the sole evidence for or against the diagnosis of prostate

cancer. "

>

> Couldn't be plainer. The test is not diagnostic of PCa, nor of the

> absence of PCa. A word to the wise.....

>

> Regards,

>

> Steve J

>

> " was an optimist. "

> -- O'Toole's commentary on 's Law

>

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It went from about 6.3 to 9.4

Ted

>

> > My PSA has gone up 50% in 6 months and I was advised to have a

second

> > biopsy. But since the first one was negative I decided on a PCA3,

which

> > I had this morning.

>

> From what score to what?

>

> Fifty percent in six months is a rather fast velocity. I recommend

> searching on PSA velocity at the Prostate Cancer Research Institute

> website: http://prostate-cancer.org/index.html

>

> Concerning PCA3Plus (current name), it does sound promising judging

by

> what I've read. However: from the Bostwick website, " A PCA3Plus

value of

> 35 or greater suggests a high likelihood of prostate cancer. Only a

> prostate biopsy can diagnose prostate cancer. This test's

performance

> has been established by Bostwick Laboratories. It has not been

approved

> by the United States Food and Drug administration and should not be

used

> as the sole evidence for or against the diagnosis of prostate

cancer. "

>

> Couldn't be plainer. The test is not diagnostic of PCa, nor of the

> absence of PCa. A word to the wise.....

>

> Regards,

>

> Steve J

>

> " was an optimist. "

> -- O'Toole's commentary on 's Law

>

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It went from about 6.3 to 9.4

Ted

>

> > My PSA has gone up 50% in 6 months and I was advised to have a

second

> > biopsy. But since the first one was negative I decided on a PCA3,

which

> > I had this morning.

>

> From what score to what?

>

> Fifty percent in six months is a rather fast velocity. I recommend

> searching on PSA velocity at the Prostate Cancer Research Institute

> website: http://prostate-cancer.org/index.html

>

> Concerning PCA3Plus (current name), it does sound promising judging

by

> what I've read. However: from the Bostwick website, " A PCA3Plus

value of

> 35 or greater suggests a high likelihood of prostate cancer. Only a

> prostate biopsy can diagnose prostate cancer. This test's

performance

> has been established by Bostwick Laboratories. It has not been

approved

> by the United States Food and Drug administration and should not be

used

> as the sole evidence for or against the diagnosis of prostate

cancer. "

>

> Couldn't be plainer. The test is not diagnostic of PCa, nor of the

> absence of PCa. A word to the wise.....

>

> Regards,

>

> Steve J

>

> " was an optimist. "

> -- O'Toole's commentary on 's Law

>

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On January 7, Ted replied:

> As I say, I've already had a negative biopsy of 8 samples, and the

> consultant wanted another taking 24! So I opted for the PCA3 instead.

>

> There's a case of someone who had 5 negative biopsies, and still had PC.

Which, if true, means nothing so far as Ted's case is concerned.

But it's his life and body, so best of luck.

But bear in mind this from a source I haven't yet run down:

" Accrual of anecdotes is not data. "

Regards,

Steve J

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On January 7, Ted replied:

> As I say, I've already had a negative biopsy of 8 samples, and the

> consultant wanted another taking 24! So I opted for the PCA3 instead.

>

> There's a case of someone who had 5 negative biopsies, and still had PC.

Which, if true, means nothing so far as Ted's case is concerned.

But it's his life and body, so best of luck.

But bear in mind this from a source I haven't yet run down:

" Accrual of anecdotes is not data. "

Regards,

Steve J

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On January 7, Ted replied:

> As I say, I've already had a negative biopsy of 8 samples, and the

> consultant wanted another taking 24! So I opted for the PCA3 instead.

>

> There's a case of someone who had 5 negative biopsies, and still had PC.

Which, if true, means nothing so far as Ted's case is concerned.

But it's his life and body, so best of luck.

But bear in mind this from a source I haven't yet run down:

" Accrual of anecdotes is not data. "

Regards,

Steve J

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Steve - this " Accrual of anecdotes is not data. " goes along with one of my favorites: " The focus group of one "

On January 7, Ted replied:

> As I say, I've already had a negative biopsy of 8 samples, and the

> consultant wanted another taking 24! So I opted for the PCA3 instead.

>

> There's a case of someone who had 5 negative biopsies, and still had PC.

Which, if true, means nothing so far as Ted's case is concerned.

But it's his life and body, so best of luck.

But bear in mind this from a source I haven't yet run down:

" Accrual of anecdotes is not data. "

Regards,

Steve J

-- Emersonwww.flhw.org

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But, but….isn’t a

retrospective study an accrual of anecdotes bundled into one report at great

cost? I’m confused now – again :-0

All the best

Terry Herbert

I have no medical

qualifications but I was diagnosed in ‘96: and have learned a bit since

then.

My sites are at www.yananow.net and www.prostatecancerwatchfulwaiting.co.za

Dr

“Snuffy” Myers : " As a physician, I am painfully aware that most of

the decisions we make with regard to prostate cancer are made with inadequate

data "

From: ProstateCancerSupport [mailto:ProstateCancerSupport ] On Behalf Of Emerson

Sent: Friday, 9 January 2009 3:00

AM

To: ProstateCancerSupport

Subject: Re:

Re: Opinions on biopsy

Steve - this

" Accrual of anecdotes is not data. "

goes along with one of my favorites:

" The focus group of one "

On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Steve Jordan <mycroftscj1> wrote:

On January 7, Ted replied:

> As I say, I've already had a negative biopsy of 8 samples, and the

> consultant wanted another taking 24! So I opted for the PCA3 instead.

>

> There's a case of someone who had 5 negative biopsies, and still had PC.

Which, if true, means

nothing so far as Ted's case is concerned.

But it's his life and body, so best of luck.

But bear in mind this from a source I haven't yet run down:

" Accrual of anecdotes is not data. "

Regards,

Steve J

--

Emerson

www.flhw.org

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> But, but, isn’t a retrospective study an accrual of anecdotes

> bundled into one report at great cost? I’m confused now -

> again :-0

I am reminded of the immortal saying of Feynman on wave

particle duality:

" If this doesn't confuse you, you don't understand it. "

Alan

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