Re: is this connected in any way I wonder?

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I only eat chicken and venison. Both very lean meats.

No bacon, beef, etc.

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Re: is this connected in any way I wonder?

>>> I have been on a candida diet for 8

> weeks now. NO carbs, NO sugars, just lean meats/veggies. And I haven't

> lost a pound.<<

>

> you would be amazed at how many carbs are actually in meats! I am learning

> this as I zam weighing everything I eat and have a spreadsheet which I out

> in the weight and it tells me exactly how many carbs is in each item... My

> 3 strips of bacon this morning had 8.6 grams of carbs! My two slices of

> rib roast for dinner yesterday had 21.03 grams! Shocking huh? Of course

> neither is particularly lean meats but still. It has alot more than you

> might think.

>

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[Guest guest]

Wow, that's interesting! Where did you get your spreadsheet??? Is it

downloadable?

wrote: >> I have been on a candida

diet for 8

weeks now. NO carbs, NO sugars, just lean meats/veggies. And I haven't

lost a pound.<<

you would be amazed at how many carbs are actually in meats! I am learning this

as I zam weighing everything I eat and have a spreadsheet which I out in the

weight and it tells me exactly how many carbs is in each item... My 3 strips of

bacon this morning had 8.6 grams of carbs! My two slices of rib roast for dinner

yesterday had 21.03 grams! Shocking huh? Of course neither is particularly lean

meats but still. It has alot more than you might think.

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This is an example of one of my meals. STILL alot of carbs for what I

ate, the whipping cream while low in carbs is higher in calories for

weight loss diets but that is what I use in my coffee. The amount is

what I put in 2 cups. The mayo, pineapple and cabbage is cole slaw.

*11/23/2006* *3* *<--Humalog* *

*

*Lunch @ 11:30 am* *WT* *GG* *CALORIES*

Bread, Whole Wheat, Sara Lee, low carb 114 20.22 153.9

Turkey breast, skinless roasted 47 8.34 63.45

Mayonnaise 12 1.35 46.8

Pineapple 25 1.65 12.25

Cabbage, raw 51 0.62 13.77

Cream, whipping 61 0.94 210.45

*TOTAL* *

* *33.12* *500.62*

*

* *

* *

*

*LAPSED TIME* *BG* *

*

*0* *121* *

*

*300* *106*

*K*

*BG Change* *-15*

*12.257*

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[Guest guest]

It was created by the man that I am calling my Diabetes angel! LOL I

will ask him if he minds if I share ti with you. Though it is made up

for Diabetic control counting it will also work for dieting an carb

counting.

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,

That doesn't surprise me at all. Many supplements have other things

in them, plus even vitamins or minerals in excess can be a problem.

When they synthetically isolate a vitamin, it's basically the same as

a chemical in how it acts in the body. That's why the best sources

are made from whole foods.

If you're already dealing with kidney or liver problems, you'll be

the first to notice problems as these are the primary organs for

eliminating wastes from the body. I've found that the headaches I

used to get were tied to my liver. When I started taking milk

thistle and other things to cleanse the liver, my headaches went away.

Linn

> Linn and Mo,

>

> I've learned by having IC that whenever I'm not feeling well, to

> ELIMINATE as much as possible and start adding back one thing at a

> time. I realize we can't do this with things like HC and thyroid

> meds, but everything else becomes suspect until by process of

> elimination, I find the offending substance.

>

> For me, it has mostly been a supplement. How weird, huh?

>

> So Mo, go back to as close to square one as you can. Try just

> zucchini and chicken for example. If that's okay, then add

> tomatoes, etc. until either you're feeling better or not. If not,

> then switch to asparagus and turkey or something like that.

>

> For breakfast I had brown rice, spinach, mushrooms and fish. I make

> a big batch of something like this on the weekends, then warm up a

> portion for breakfast, lunch, whatever.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hey, thanks for even asking him!

wrote: It was created by the man

that I am calling my Diabetes angel! LOL I

will ask him if he minds if I share ti with you. Though it is made up

for Diabetic control counting it will also work for dieting an carb

counting.

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[Guest guest]

because you lowered your armour dose?

Lynda

Re: Re: is this connected in any way I wonder?

> But why oh why did this not happen when I did a similar diet in

> Spring?

> that''s what's confusing me.

>

> Mo

[Guest guest]

because you lowered your armour dose?

Lynda

Re: Re: is this connected in any way I wonder?

> But why oh why did this not happen when I did a similar diet in

> Spring?

> that''s what's confusing me.

>

> Mo

[Guest guest]

because you lowered your armour dose?

Lynda

Re: Re: is this connected in any way I wonder?

> But why oh why did this not happen when I did a similar diet in

> Spring?

> that''s what's confusing me.

>

> Mo

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 28/11/2006 21:17:00 GMT Standard Time, jtb14789@...

writes:

Hi

Possible your spring diet reset your " metabolism " Possible your sprin

started making rT3 then. You said you gained the weight right back

after you stopped the diet.

I think this is because of insulin resistance. Do you know if there is

any connection between this and RT3?

I cannot eat 'normally' without gaining weight. And when I say normally I

don't mean junk food.

Now your base metabolism is set lower than when you started in the

spring, hence perhaps the difficulty.

I don't understand this .

You may also be having more thyroid/adrenal issues now than then,

since your having trouble getting re-stabilized, and that's going to

affect it as well.

ditto. But then I can hardly uderstand anything at the moment because of the

problems with brain function.

Nonetheless, thank you sincerely for trying to help me.

Mo

NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 28/11/2006 21:17:00 GMT Standard Time, jtb14789@...

writes:

Hi

Possible your spring diet reset your " metabolism " Possible your sprin

started making rT3 then. You said you gained the weight right back

after you stopped the diet.

I think this is because of insulin resistance. Do you know if there is

any connection between this and RT3?

I cannot eat 'normally' without gaining weight. And when I say normally I

don't mean junk food.

Now your base metabolism is set lower than when you started in the

spring, hence perhaps the difficulty.

I don't understand this .

You may also be having more thyroid/adrenal issues now than then,

since your having trouble getting re-stabilized, and that's going to

affect it as well.

ditto. But then I can hardly uderstand anything at the moment because of the

problems with brain function.

Nonetheless, thank you sincerely for trying to help me.

Mo

NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

[Guest guest]

It may not be food. I could be though. Never hurts going back to basics.

NOVAexeter@... wrote:

In a message dated 28/11/2006 15:11:30 GMT Standard Time,

phonicity@... writes:

becomes suspect until by process of elimination, I find the offending

substance.

I have never had any issues with food sensitivities to my knowledge .

Mo

NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

[Guest guest]

It may not be food. I could be though. Never hurts going back to basics.

NOVAexeter@... wrote:

In a message dated 28/11/2006 15:11:30 GMT Standard Time,

phonicity@... writes:

becomes suspect until by process of elimination, I find the offending

substance.

I have never had any issues with food sensitivities to my knowledge .

Mo

NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

[Guest guest]

Can you think back to when you started lowering your h/c and armour.

Which did you lower first and by how much. Where were you in your

dosing when you were losing weight?

As Val said you need enough h/c for the armour to be effective.

I'm betting that when you were on a higher dose of both was when you

were losing weight.

You really need to keep a diary (says she who often starts one but

never keeps it up)

Lynda

Re: Re: is this connected in any way I wonder?

>

>

> In a message dated 28/11/2006 16:24:22 GMT Standard Time,

> lynworth@... writes:

>

> because you lowered your armour dose?

> Lynda

>

>

> Do you think that is it Lynda?

>

> Mo

>

[Guest guest]

Can you think back to when you started lowering your h/c and armour.

Which did you lower first and by how much. Where were you in your

dosing when you were losing weight?

As Val said you need enough h/c for the armour to be effective.

I'm betting that when you were on a higher dose of both was when you

were losing weight.

You really need to keep a diary (says she who often starts one but

never keeps it up)

Lynda

Re: Re: is this connected in any way I wonder?

>

>

> In a message dated 28/11/2006 16:24:22 GMT Standard Time,

> lynworth@... writes:

>

> because you lowered your armour dose?

> Lynda

>

>

> Do you think that is it Lynda?

>

> Mo

>

[Guest guest]

Can you think back to when you started lowering your h/c and armour.

Which did you lower first and by how much. Where were you in your

dosing when you were losing weight?

As Val said you need enough h/c for the armour to be effective.

I'm betting that when you were on a higher dose of both was when you

were losing weight.

You really need to keep a diary (says she who often starts one but

never keeps it up)

Lynda

Re: Re: is this connected in any way I wonder?

>

>

> In a message dated 28/11/2006 16:24:22 GMT Standard Time,

> lynworth@... writes:

>

> because you lowered your armour dose?

> Lynda

>

>

> Do you think that is it Lynda?

>

> Mo

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Val - how are you getting 20 grams of carbohydrate from a pure

rib roast meal (assuming you are not counting veggies or any

extraneous ingredients such as breading, sauces, etc)? Even cooked

with various herbs & sauces, carbs aren't usually more than 1-4:

http://www.atkins.com/recipes/r/rosemary-garlic-beef-rib-roast-354

http://www.luciesfarm.com/artman/publish/article_17.php

http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/carbcounter/meat.shtml

Pure meat doesn't have carbs (search for roast under Beef Products,

for example):

http://www.carbohydrate-counter.org/advsearch.php

Meat products, processed meats, cured meats, sauces & such may.

> you would be amazed at how many carbs are actually in meats! I am

learning this as I zam weighing everything I eat and have a

spreadsheet which I out in the weight and it tells me exactly how

many carbs is in each item... My 3 strips of bacon this morning had

8.6 grams of carbs! My two slices of rib roast for dinner yesterday

had 21.03 grams! Shocking huh? Of course neither is particularly

lean meats but still. It has alot more than you might think.

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane

[Guest guest]

> In a message dated 28/11/2006 17:38:28 GMT Standard Time,

> lynworth@... writes:

>

> As Val said you need enough h/c for the armour to be effective.

> I'm betting that when you were on a higher dose of both was when

> you

> were losing weight.

Mo wrote:

> Yes it was. I am missing your point though Lynda? Not you, it is me,

> I am in

> brain-mush mode. More so than usual that is.

>

because by being on enough adrenal support it allows the thyroid to

enter the cells and the thyroid entering the cells raises the

metabolism which allows you to lose weight.

Lynda

[Guest guest]

Possible your spring diet reset your " metabolism " . You may have

started making rT3 then. You said you gained the weight right back

after you stopped the diet.

Now your base metabolism is set lower than when you started in the

spring, hence perhaps the difficulty.

You may also be having more thyroid/adrenal issues now than then,

since your having trouble getting re-stabilized, and that's going to

affect it as well.

>

> How low are you going with the " low-carbing " How low are you going

with the

> and reduced calorie on top of it, your body may have slowed down

> production of T3 & is making more reverse T3, because it thinks

> a " famine " has hit. That's why you're not losing the weight -

your

> metabolism has slowed.

> Oh! i have not even worked out how low. I need to take a look at

this,

> thanks for pointing it out.

> But why oh why did this not happen when I did a similar diet in

Spring?

> that''s what's confusing me.

>

> Mo

>

>

>

>

>

> NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Possible your spring diet reset your " metabolism " . You may have

started making rT3 then. You said you gained the weight right back

after you stopped the diet.

Now your base metabolism is set lower than when you started in the

spring, hence perhaps the difficulty.

You may also be having more thyroid/adrenal issues now than then,

since your having trouble getting re-stabilized, and that's going to

affect it as well.

>

> How low are you going with the " low-carbing " How low are you going

with the

> and reduced calorie on top of it, your body may have slowed down

> production of T3 & is making more reverse T3, because it thinks

> a " famine " has hit. That's why you're not losing the weight -

your

> metabolism has slowed.

> Oh! i have not even worked out how low. I need to take a look at

this,

> thanks for pointing it out.

> But why oh why did this not happen when I did a similar diet in

Spring?

> that''s what's confusing me.

>

> Mo

>

>

>

>

>

> NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Possible your spring diet reset your " metabolism " . You may have

started making rT3 then. You said you gained the weight right back

after you stopped the diet.

Now your base metabolism is set lower than when you started in the

spring, hence perhaps the difficulty.

You may also be having more thyroid/adrenal issues now than then,

since your having trouble getting re-stabilized, and that's going to

affect it as well.

>

> How low are you going with the " low-carbing " How low are you going

with the

> and reduced calorie on top of it, your body may have slowed down

> production of T3 & is making more reverse T3, because it thinks

> a " famine " has hit. That's why you're not losing the weight -

your

> metabolism has slowed.

> Oh! i have not even worked out how low. I need to take a look at

this,

> thanks for pointing it out.

> But why oh why did this not happen when I did a similar diet in

Spring?

> that''s what's confusing me.

>

> Mo

>

>

>

>

>

> NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Cravings are a side effect of getting MSG and HFCS in any type of

processed food. Insulin resistance can be caused by eating the wrong

types of fats, in particular transfatty acids. If you remove those

from the diet along with the MSG and HFCS, the insulin resistance

should get better or even disappear.

Linn

> In a message dated 28/11/2006 19:01:03 GMT Standard Time,

> linnmiller@... writes:

>

> I'd back off of it for a while to see.

> Hiya

> I think I will have to as it is SO expensive anyway!

>

>> .

>

>

[Guest guest]

Cravings are a side effect of getting MSG and HFCS in any type of

processed food. Insulin resistance can be caused by eating the wrong

types of fats, in particular transfatty acids. If you remove those

from the diet along with the MSG and HFCS, the insulin resistance

should get better or even disappear.

Linn

> In a message dated 28/11/2006 19:01:03 GMT Standard Time,

> linnmiller@... writes:

>

> I'd back off of it for a while to see.

> Hiya

> I think I will have to as it is SO expensive anyway!

>

>> .

>

>

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: > Mo

> My remaining symptoms? I have exhaustion, sevfere brain-fog, severe

> anxiety,

> depression, water retention I think, insomnia, anger/frustration/tearful

> and this wierd feeling of desperately wanting someone to take care of me

> because I feel unable to take care of myself and yet I also very much

> want to be

> left alone! I had my son and his girlfriend visiting at the weekend and I

> was

> so glad when they left and now I miss them. Makes no sense but that is

> how I

> am feeling. I am not answering the phone, everything feels like TOO much,

> any

> little thing sends me off the deep end into a spin of severe anxiety,

> even

> answering the phone.

Mo,

I am very sorry you're going through this - it is miserable, I know, because

I'm going through a very similar scenario. I honestly believe it's a matter

of getting over the " hump " and getting things " just right " , and then we'll

be looking back on it, and it will be crystal clear and make sense.

Laughing about it? LOL I'm not sure I'd go that far!

My best guess is that our adrenals are not stabilizing because of stress and

because we are hypoT, and yet we can't really address the hypoT until our

adrenals are more stabilized. It's rather like sea-sawing! But I'm

thinking that the key REALLY is to first stabilize the adrenals.

Then again, I'm new at this AND in a brain-fog, so what do I know?

Hope you break through to the other side soon,

Liz

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: > Mo

> My remaining symptoms? I have exhaustion, sevfere brain-fog, severe

> anxiety,

> depression, water retention I think, insomnia, anger/frustration/tearful

> and this wierd feeling of desperately wanting someone to take care of me

> because I feel unable to take care of myself and yet I also very much

> want to be

> left alone! I had my son and his girlfriend visiting at the weekend and I

> was

> so glad when they left and now I miss them. Makes no sense but that is

> how I

> am feeling. I am not answering the phone, everything feels like TOO much,

> any

> little thing sends me off the deep end into a spin of severe anxiety,

> even

> answering the phone.

Mo,

I am very sorry you're going through this - it is miserable, I know, because

I'm going through a very similar scenario. I honestly believe it's a matter

of getting over the " hump " and getting things " just right " , and then we'll

be looking back on it, and it will be crystal clear and make sense.

Laughing about it? LOL I'm not sure I'd go that far!

My best guess is that our adrenals are not stabilizing because of stress and

because we are hypoT, and yet we can't really address the hypoT until our

adrenals are more stabilized. It's rather like sea-sawing! But I'm

thinking that the key REALLY is to first stabilize the adrenals.

Then again, I'm new at this AND in a brain-fog, so what do I know?

Hope you break through to the other side soon,

Liz