Guest guest Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 Jeff, my insurance provided the Hoyer Lift, they own it and pay the rental fee, i return it when done, same with wheelchair. you probably can get a hospital bed ( recommended for the lift). you should make sure and ask your ins. i raised my own bed (queen) because that's about the only time when we can be together, she sits in wheelchair most the day. definitely watch your back, and get a PT to come out and show you how to use the hoyer. they will come out ,no problem. the delivery people won't show you much. and ask your caregiver which sling they want. i am finally having a PT come out tomorrow to see what i am doing- but i still don't like the lift. so I guess i am chancing it with the gait belt. what a mess we have gotten ourselves into ?  take care everybody,    (Kay, 60, LBD) Subject: Re: Hoyer Lift To: " LBDcaregivers " <LBDcaregivers > Date: Wednesday, August 1, 2012, 2:23 PM  , Thanks for the info. I have not yet had to use a Hoyer, but planned to give it a try if and when circumstances dictated. My thought would be to first get a hospital bed I could raise and lower so I wouldn't have to do as much bending.  My back is fragile and I doubt I will get another chance with it after 2 surgeries. It has to be exhausting.  Jeff When you feel like giving up, remember why you held on for so long in the first place. " ~ Unknown >________________________________ > >To: LBDcaregivers >Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2012 3:26 PM >Subject: Hoyer Lift > > > >finally got the right sling (caregiver wanted u-sling) for the hoyer lift. i find the hoyer lift a big pain in the butt and time consuming. is this when people give up and stick their LO in a facility? anyone else using the lift? with all the changing in bed, rolling Kay, special rip away diapers, and using handle to prop them up to fit potty chair, etc.- i'm not liking it. i still ust the Gait? belt and pull kay out of wheelchair up over vanity, change her, switch out to potty, etc. a PT told me a Hoyer really takes 2 people. if you are not as strong as me to lift with gait belt- i don't see how you are doing this caregiving? i do use it to put her in bed at night because i already have the sling in wheelchair, so gait belt to sling. bed had to be raised to get hoyer underneeth, so no way could i get her into bed. The Hoyer does save my back once/day. for you new people, kay went from normal (working, driving, walking, laughing, everything) to totally disabled in about 4 years. never saw this coming at all. (Kay, 60, probable LBD) > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 Well, , I had all kinds of belts and toys to move Mom around. Remembering that she could still use a walker for very short trips (10 or 15 feet, bed to toilet), the toys I had were not as great as advertised and not as necessary. (Caution, what is necessary depends on your LO and your own physical ability.) While she was at home, Mom had a " bed cane " attached to her bed. Unlike other rails or support systems, this was easier to get around when trying to sit up and it didn't block her from swinging her legs down. I did not encourage her to get up by herself, but there's this streak of stubbornness in the family. IF I could catch her as she was trying to move (motion detector/alarm helped), I could get her walker to her and then do a little move we learned in rehab, using her clothing to help. This is particularly helpful when your LO doesn't get the concept of waiting for the proper equipment. It's basically supporting her with one arm, while you use the other arm to give her what amounts to a wedgie. You grab the back of her pants at the top (getting as strong a grip as possible, and hold her up that way while your arm that is holding her arm steers her in the direction to go. A few problems with this: - Doesn't work well with skirts or dresses; - Doesn't work well with knit or sweat pants; - And yes, if you do this move often enough you will damage yourself. I already have back issues (degen disc dis), so I figured I was headed that way, anyway. - If possible, have a OT show you how to do it. It is especially helpful for transfers in public, where you may not have your lift. - Be very careful if your LO has a weight issue - for both your sakes. In this situation, get the doctor to order some OT or rehab sessions for you both to learn this moves and others you can use when the " proper " equipment isn't available. There is another way of making the transfer - standing in front of her and hugging her under the arms while lifting frome your knees. But I've been told that this isn't good for the person lifting. Just remember that the way you do it depends on your strength and other conditions and her ability to work with you. When your LO is no longer strong enough to hold themselves standing for a few minutes, These methods need to go by the wayside and you need to go back to the equipment and, yes, a two-person lift. Good luck. Kate On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 2:26 PM, gary.s.dale@... < gary.s.dale@...> wrote: > ** > > > finally got the right sling (caregiver wanted u-sling) for the hoyer lift. > i find the hoyer lift a big pain in the butt and time consuming. is this > when people give up and stick their LO in a facility? anyone else using the > lift? with all the changing in bed, rolling Kay, special rip away diapers, > and using handle to prop them up to fit potty chair, etc.- i'm not liking > it. i still ust the Gait? belt and pull kay out of wheelchair up over > vanity, change her, switch out to potty, etc. a PT told me a Hoyer really > takes 2 people. if you are not as strong as me to lift with gait belt- i > don't see how you are doing this caregiving? i do use it to put her in bed > at night because i already have the sling in wheelchair, so gait belt to > sling. bed had to be raised to get hoyer underneeth, so no way could i get > her into bed. The Hoyer does save my back once/day. for you new people, kay > went from normal (working, driving, walking, laughing, everything) to > totally disabled in about 4 years. never saw this coming at all. (Kay, > 60, probable LBD) > > > -- Kate Knapp UMN - OIT " All adventures, especially into new territory, are scary. " Sally Ride (first American woman in space) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 Well, , I had all kinds of belts and toys to move Mom around. Remembering that she could still use a walker for very short trips (10 or 15 feet, bed to toilet), the toys I had were not as great as advertised and not as necessary. (Caution, what is necessary depends on your LO and your own physical ability.) While she was at home, Mom had a " bed cane " attached to her bed. Unlike other rails or support systems, this was easier to get around when trying to sit up and it didn't block her from swinging her legs down. I did not encourage her to get up by herself, but there's this streak of stubbornness in the family. IF I could catch her as she was trying to move (motion detector/alarm helped), I could get her walker to her and then do a little move we learned in rehab, using her clothing to help. This is particularly helpful when your LO doesn't get the concept of waiting for the proper equipment. It's basically supporting her with one arm, while you use the other arm to give her what amounts to a wedgie. You grab the back of her pants at the top (getting as strong a grip as possible, and hold her up that way while your arm that is holding her arm steers her in the direction to go. A few problems with this: - Doesn't work well with skirts or dresses; - Doesn't work well with knit or sweat pants; - And yes, if you do this move often enough you will damage yourself. I already have back issues (degen disc dis), so I figured I was headed that way, anyway. - If possible, have a OT show you how to do it. It is especially helpful for transfers in public, where you may not have your lift. - Be very careful if your LO has a weight issue - for both your sakes. In this situation, get the doctor to order some OT or rehab sessions for you both to learn this moves and others you can use when the " proper " equipment isn't available. There is another way of making the transfer - standing in front of her and hugging her under the arms while lifting frome your knees. But I've been told that this isn't good for the person lifting. Just remember that the way you do it depends on your strength and other conditions and her ability to work with you. When your LO is no longer strong enough to hold themselves standing for a few minutes, These methods need to go by the wayside and you need to go back to the equipment and, yes, a two-person lift. Good luck. Kate On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 2:26 PM, gary.s.dale@... < gary.s.dale@...> wrote: > ** > > > finally got the right sling (caregiver wanted u-sling) for the hoyer lift. > i find the hoyer lift a big pain in the butt and time consuming. is this > when people give up and stick their LO in a facility? anyone else using the > lift? with all the changing in bed, rolling Kay, special rip away diapers, > and using handle to prop them up to fit potty chair, etc.- i'm not liking > it. i still ust the Gait? belt and pull kay out of wheelchair up over > vanity, change her, switch out to potty, etc. a PT told me a Hoyer really > takes 2 people. if you are not as strong as me to lift with gait belt- i > don't see how you are doing this caregiving? i do use it to put her in bed > at night because i already have the sling in wheelchair, so gait belt to > sling. bed had to be raised to get hoyer underneeth, so no way could i get > her into bed. The Hoyer does save my back once/day. for you new people, kay > went from normal (working, driving, walking, laughing, everything) to > totally disabled in about 4 years. never saw this coming at all. (Kay, > 60, probable LBD) > > > -- Kate Knapp UMN - OIT " All adventures, especially into new territory, are scary. " Sally Ride (first American woman in space) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 Good luck tomorrow, ! God bless you! Helene in NY > > > > Subject: Re: Hoyer Lift > To: " LBDcaregivers " <LBDcaregivers > > Date: Wednesday, August 1, 2012, 2:23 PM > > > >  > > > > , > Thanks for the info. I have not yet had to use a Hoyer, but planned to give it a try if and when circumstances dictated. My thought would be to first get a hospital bed I could raise and lower so I wouldn't have to do as much bending.  My back is fragile and I doubt I will get another chance with it after 2 surgeries. > It has to be exhausting. >  > Jeff > > When you feel like giving up, remember why you held on for so long in the first place. " ~ Unknown > > >________________________________ > > > >To: LBDcaregivers > >Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2012 3:26 PM > >Subject: Hoyer Lift > > > > > > > >finally got the right sling (caregiver wanted u-sling) for the hoyer lift. i find the hoyer lift a big pain in the butt and time consuming. is this when people give up and stick their LO in a facility? anyone else using the lift? with all the changing in bed, rolling Kay, special rip away diapers, and using handle to prop them up to fit potty chair, etc.- i'm not liking it. i still ust the Gait? belt and pull kay out of wheelchair up over vanity, change her, switch out to potty, etc. a PT told me a Hoyer really takes 2 people. if you are not as strong as me to lift with gait belt- i don't see how you are doing this caregiving? i do use it to put her in bed at night because i already have the sling in wheelchair, so gait belt to sling. bed had to be raised to get hoyer underneeth, so no way could i get her into bed. The Hoyer does save my back once/day. for you new people, kay went from normal (working, driving, walking, laughing, everything) to > totally disabled in about 4 years. never saw this coming at all. (Kay, 60, probable LBD) > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 Good luck tomorrow, ! God bless you! Helene in NY > > > > Subject: Re: Hoyer Lift > To: " LBDcaregivers " <LBDcaregivers > > Date: Wednesday, August 1, 2012, 2:23 PM > > > >  > > > > , > Thanks for the info. I have not yet had to use a Hoyer, but planned to give it a try if and when circumstances dictated. My thought would be to first get a hospital bed I could raise and lower so I wouldn't have to do as much bending.  My back is fragile and I doubt I will get another chance with it after 2 surgeries. > It has to be exhausting. >  > Jeff > > When you feel like giving up, remember why you held on for so long in the first place. " ~ Unknown > > >________________________________ > > > >To: LBDcaregivers > >Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2012 3:26 PM > >Subject: Hoyer Lift > > > > > > > >finally got the right sling (caregiver wanted u-sling) for the hoyer lift. i find the hoyer lift a big pain in the butt and time consuming. is this when people give up and stick their LO in a facility? anyone else using the lift? with all the changing in bed, rolling Kay, special rip away diapers, and using handle to prop them up to fit potty chair, etc.- i'm not liking it. i still ust the Gait? belt and pull kay out of wheelchair up over vanity, change her, switch out to potty, etc. a PT told me a Hoyer really takes 2 people. if you are not as strong as me to lift with gait belt- i don't see how you are doing this caregiving? i do use it to put her in bed at night because i already have the sling in wheelchair, so gait belt to sling. bed had to be raised to get hoyer underneeth, so no way could i get her into bed. The Hoyer does save my back once/day. for you new people, kay went from normal (working, driving, walking, laughing, everything) to > totally disabled in about 4 years. never saw this coming at all. (Kay, 60, probable LBD) > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Dear , and everyone, has been gone for 5 1/2 months and I still find myself reading the posts most days. My heart breaks for the struggles of both those afflicted with this terrible disease and those who are care-giving. I am particularly triggered to write regarding your struggles with Kay, . She is so very young. 's symptoms became noticeable by the times he was 67 and it was not until his last year that he had such disabilities as to require a hospital bed. We tried a Hoyer lift and it was awful. Cumbersom and hard to get the sling right. I was able to hire care-givers, and at the worst of things had them from 10 am to 8 or 9 pm. They were well trained, in that they had been taught a special lift, using a gait belt, that allowed them to lift-slide from one chair to another when he became too weak to stand. Of course, the potty chair was a special challenge. Toward the end, he did his bowel movements, etc. in a diaper. It is excruciatingly painful to watch a vital person change so drastically. That is why I once said that my heart breaks every day. I hope you can get some help, get trained on the way to lift with the gait belt and/or get some respite on a frequent basis. If I had one thing to say to everyone it would be PLEASE take care of yourself! During this period I contracted brreast cancer. I'm not saying it was only the stress that caused it, but I'm sure it didn't help. I'm fine now and grateful. Take care, all. My thoughts are with you. Wild Husband , diagnosed LBD June, 2011. Symptoms and disability began 2007. Passed away of multiple myeloma Feb. 21, 2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Dear , A hoyer lift was also recommended to use with my Mom, but we felt the same way as you - it's just a very cumbersome tool to use, and it takes up a lot of space. BTW, my Mom was diagnosed at 66 years old. 12 years later, she is still with us, but is late stage. It is indeed a horror to see someone who had so much vitality deteriorate. I'm glad to see your post! I'm also glad to hear you are doing better. I pray that you stay healthy, and can enjoy life. Hugs from NY, Helene > > Dear , and everyone, > has been gone for 5 1/2 months and I still find myself reading the posts most days. My heart breaks for the struggles of both those afflicted with this terrible disease and those who are care-giving. I am particularly triggered to write regarding your struggles with Kay, . She is so very young. 's symptoms became noticeable by the times he was 67 and it was not until his last year that he had such disabilities as to require a hospital bed. We tried a Hoyer lift and it was awful. Cumbersom and hard to get the sling right. I was able to hire care-givers, and at the worst of things had them from 10 am to 8 or 9 pm. They were well trained, in that they had been taught a special lift, using a gait belt, that allowed them to lift-slide from one chair to another when he became too weak to stand. Of course, the potty chair was a special challenge. Toward the end, he did his bowel movements, etc. in a diaper. It is excruciatingly painful to > watch a vital person change so drastically. That is why I once said that my heart breaks every day. I hope you can get some help, get trained on the way to lift with the gait belt and/or get some respite on a frequent basis. If I had one thing to say to everyone it would be PLEASE take care of yourself! During this period I contracted brreast cancer. I'm not saying it was only the stress that caused it, but I'm sure it didn't help. I'm fine now and grateful. Take care, all. My thoughts are with you. Wild Husband , diagnosed LBD June, 2011. Symptoms and disability began 2007. Passed away of multiple myeloma Feb. 21, 2012 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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