Guest guest Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Is Dr. nco answering this question or is this coming from a forum member? It seems like it's a member who had issues with Armour in the beginning statement. Is he/she implying that one should try Synthroid if not tolerating Armour after stabilizing adrenals? --- Philip Georgian wrote: > If you don't want me to post this info let me know > it's not a problem. > A cut and Paste on > > Re: Why is Armour thyroid sometimes intolerable? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > > Quote: > Originally Posted by raw1973 > I had issues tolerating Armour ( a couple times)and > had to come off. > I'm waiting to get tested for adrenal issues, but in > the meantime I'm > wondering why many people have problems. > I assumed it was the T3, but one grain of Armour > only has 9mcg T3 > along with 38mcg T4 along with unmeasured T2,T1, and > soforth. You see > guys ramping up T3 cycles starting at 25mcg and > going up to over 100 > with no adrenal issues. I've also in the past taken > many stimulants > in excess such as ECA, Clen, NYC, with no problem. > Any comments?--Rob > > > The human body has a ratio of about 10% T3, 90% T4. > > Armour Thyroid is about 20% T3, 80 % T4. This can > cause problems with > some people, who cannot tolerate well the activity > of the much more > potent T3 than T4. > > Often, what makes Armour Thyroid intolerable is the > presence of > Adrenal Fatigue/Depletion. Thyroid hormone makes > more demands on > adrenal function. If the adrenals cannot tolerate > the extra workload, > then they worsen in fatigue/depletion. This leads to > a surge in > norepinephrine or other stimulant neurotransmitter > production, which > leads to anxiety, irritability, hypertension, > tachycardia, sweating, > and other effects in addition to symptoms of adrenal > fatigue. > > Armour Thyroid also contains an unspecified amount > of Calcitonin - > which lowers blood calcium level. Lowering blood > calcium excessively > in patients can cause multiple problems including > irritability, > confusion, muscle spasms, congestive heart failure, > breathing > problems, etc. > > Armour Thyroid also contains T1 and T2, which have > additional thyroid > activities - thus a larger overall activity than > just from T3 and T4 - > the only hormone specified in Armour Thryoid. > > Thus one has to be careful and have ideally, > physician monitoring, to > help determine what is happening when one has > adverse effects from > Armour Thyroid. Armour Thyroid is a much more > complex compound that > just T3 and T4. > > Not everyone can tolerate Armour Thyroid, no matter > how small the > dose. For some patients, I would use Synthroid (T4) > and try to > optimize thyroid function via other means if they > cannot tolerate > Armour Thyroid. > __________________ > Any statement I make on this site is for educational > purposes only > and will change as medical knowledge progresses. It > does not > constitute medical advice, does not substitute for > proper medical > evaluation from physician, does not create a > doctor/patient > relationship or liability. If you would like medical > advice, please > make an appointment. Thank you. > Phil > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Is Dr. nco answering this question or is this coming from a forum member? It seems like it's a member who had issues with Armour in the beginning statement. Is he/she implying that one should try Synthroid if not tolerating Armour after stabilizing adrenals? --- Philip Georgian wrote: > If you don't want me to post this info let me know > it's not a problem. > A cut and Paste on > > Re: Why is Armour thyroid sometimes intolerable? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > > Quote: > Originally Posted by raw1973 > I had issues tolerating Armour ( a couple times)and > had to come off. > I'm waiting to get tested for adrenal issues, but in > the meantime I'm > wondering why many people have problems. > I assumed it was the T3, but one grain of Armour > only has 9mcg T3 > along with 38mcg T4 along with unmeasured T2,T1, and > soforth. You see > guys ramping up T3 cycles starting at 25mcg and > going up to over 100 > with no adrenal issues. I've also in the past taken > many stimulants > in excess such as ECA, Clen, NYC, with no problem. > Any comments?--Rob > > > The human body has a ratio of about 10% T3, 90% T4. > > Armour Thyroid is about 20% T3, 80 % T4. This can > cause problems with > some people, who cannot tolerate well the activity > of the much more > potent T3 than T4. > > Often, what makes Armour Thyroid intolerable is the > presence of > Adrenal Fatigue/Depletion. Thyroid hormone makes > more demands on > adrenal function. If the adrenals cannot tolerate > the extra workload, > then they worsen in fatigue/depletion. This leads to > a surge in > norepinephrine or other stimulant neurotransmitter > production, which > leads to anxiety, irritability, hypertension, > tachycardia, sweating, > and other effects in addition to symptoms of adrenal > fatigue. > > Armour Thyroid also contains an unspecified amount > of Calcitonin - > which lowers blood calcium level. Lowering blood > calcium excessively > in patients can cause multiple problems including > irritability, > confusion, muscle spasms, congestive heart failure, > breathing > problems, etc. > > Armour Thyroid also contains T1 and T2, which have > additional thyroid > activities - thus a larger overall activity than > just from T3 and T4 - > the only hormone specified in Armour Thryoid. > > Thus one has to be careful and have ideally, > physician monitoring, to > help determine what is happening when one has > adverse effects from > Armour Thyroid. Armour Thyroid is a much more > complex compound that > just T3 and T4. > > Not everyone can tolerate Armour Thyroid, no matter > how small the > dose. For some patients, I would use Synthroid (T4) > and try to > optimize thyroid function via other means if they > cannot tolerate > Armour Thyroid. > __________________ > Any statement I make on this site is for educational > purposes only > and will change as medical knowledge progresses. It > does not > constitute medical advice, does not substitute for > proper medical > evaluation from physician, does not create a > doctor/patient > relationship or liability. If you would like medical > advice, please > make an appointment. Thank you. > Phil > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 I see what your talking about the post on top is a question that Dr. nco is replying to after Rob's name. He treats with Armour first and has been pushing Adrenal Fatigue on us for some time so he never treats with out checking for Adrenal Fatigue first. So he is saying some people can't take Armour at all even when treating there Adrenal Fatigue. Phil wrote: Is Dr. nco answering this question or is this coming from a forum member? It seems like it's a member who had issues with Armour in the beginning statement. Is he/she implying that one should try Synthroid if not tolerating Armour after stabilizing adrenals? --- Philip Georgian wrote: > If you don't want me to post this info let me know > it's not a problem. > A cut and Paste on > > Re: Why is Armour thyroid sometimes intolerable? > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > > Quote: > Originally Posted by raw1973 > I had issues tolerating Armour ( a couple times)and > had to come off. > I'm waiting to get tested for adrenal issues, but in > the meantime I'm > wondering why many people have problems. > I assumed it was the T3, but one grain of Armour > only has 9mcg T3 > along with 38mcg T4 along with unmeasured T2,T1, and > soforth. You see > guys ramping up T3 cycles starting at 25mcg and > going up to over 100 > with no adrenal issues. I've also in the past taken > many stimulants > in excess such as ECA, Clen, NYC, with no problem. > Any comments?--Rob > > > The human body has a ratio of about 10% T3, 90% T4. > > Armour Thyroid is about 20% T3, 80 % T4. This can > cause problems with > some people, who cannot tolerate well the activity > of the much more > potent T3 than T4. > > Often, what makes Armour Thyroid intolerable is the > presence of > Adrenal Fatigue/Depletion. Thyroid hormone makes > more demands on > adrenal function. If the adrenals cannot tolerate > the extra workload, > then they worsen in fatigue/depletion. This leads to > a surge in > norepinephrine or other stimulant neurotransmitter > production, which > leads to anxiety, irritability, hypertension, > tachycardia, sweating, > and other effects in addition to symptoms of adrenal > fatigue. > > Armour Thyroid also contains an unspecified amount > of Calcitonin - > which lowers blood calcium level. Lowering blood > calcium excessively > in patients can cause multiple problems including > irritability, > confusion, muscle spasms, congestive heart failure, > breathing > problems, etc. > > Armour Thyroid also contains T1 and T2, which have > additional thyroid > activities - thus a larger overall activity than > just from T3 and T4 - > the only hormone specified in Armour Thryoid. > > Thus one has to be careful and have ideally, > physician monitoring, to > help determine what is happening when one has > adverse effects from > Armour Thyroid. Armour Thyroid is a much more > complex compound that > just T3 and T4. > > Not everyone can tolerate Armour Thyroid, no matter > how small the > dose. For some patients, I would use Synthroid (T4) > and try to > optimize thyroid function via other means if they > cannot tolerate > Armour Thyroid. > __________________ > Any statement I make on this site is for educational > purposes only > and will change as medical knowledge progresses. It > does not > constitute medical advice, does not substitute for > proper medical > evaluation from physician, does not create a > doctor/patient > relationship or liability. If you would like medical > advice, please > make an appointment. Thank you. > Phil > > > __________________________________________________________ Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 I see what your talking about the post on top is a question that Dr. nco is replying to after Rob's name. He treats with Armour first and has been pushing Adrenal Fatigue on us for some time so he never treats with out checking for Adrenal Fatigue first. So he is saying some people can't take Armour at all even when treating there Adrenal Fatigue. Phil wrote: Is Dr. nco answering this question or is this coming from a forum member? It seems like it's a member who had issues with Armour in the beginning statement. Is he/she implying that one should try Synthroid if not tolerating Armour after stabilizing adrenals? --- Philip Georgian wrote: > If you don't want me to post this info let me know > it's not a problem. > A cut and Paste on > > Re: Why is Armour thyroid sometimes intolerable? > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > > Quote: > Originally Posted by raw1973 > I had issues tolerating Armour ( a couple times)and > had to come off. > I'm waiting to get tested for adrenal issues, but in > the meantime I'm > wondering why many people have problems. > I assumed it was the T3, but one grain of Armour > only has 9mcg T3 > along with 38mcg T4 along with unmeasured T2,T1, and > soforth. You see > guys ramping up T3 cycles starting at 25mcg and > going up to over 100 > with no adrenal issues. I've also in the past taken > many stimulants > in excess such as ECA, Clen, NYC, with no problem. > Any comments?--Rob > > > The human body has a ratio of about 10% T3, 90% T4. > > Armour Thyroid is about 20% T3, 80 % T4. This can > cause problems with > some people, who cannot tolerate well the activity > of the much more > potent T3 than T4. > > Often, what makes Armour Thyroid intolerable is the > presence of > Adrenal Fatigue/Depletion. Thyroid hormone makes > more demands on > adrenal function. If the adrenals cannot tolerate > the extra workload, > then they worsen in fatigue/depletion. This leads to > a surge in > norepinephrine or other stimulant neurotransmitter > production, which > leads to anxiety, irritability, hypertension, > tachycardia, sweating, > and other effects in addition to symptoms of adrenal > fatigue. > > Armour Thyroid also contains an unspecified amount > of Calcitonin - > which lowers blood calcium level. Lowering blood > calcium excessively > in patients can cause multiple problems including > irritability, > confusion, muscle spasms, congestive heart failure, > breathing > problems, etc. > > Armour Thyroid also contains T1 and T2, which have > additional thyroid > activities - thus a larger overall activity than > just from T3 and T4 - > the only hormone specified in Armour Thryoid. > > Thus one has to be careful and have ideally, > physician monitoring, to > help determine what is happening when one has > adverse effects from > Armour Thyroid. Armour Thyroid is a much more > complex compound that > just T3 and T4. > > Not everyone can tolerate Armour Thyroid, no matter > how small the > dose. For some patients, I would use Synthroid (T4) > and try to > optimize thyroid function via other means if they > cannot tolerate > Armour Thyroid. > __________________ > Any statement I make on this site is for educational > purposes only > and will change as medical knowledge progresses. It > does not > constitute medical advice, does not substitute for > proper medical > evaluation from physician, does not create a > doctor/patient > relationship or liability. If you would like medical > advice, please > make an appointment. Thank you. > Phil > > > __________________________________________________________ Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Yup, that's me...can't tolerate any Armour (30mg. max) --- philip georgian wrote: > I see what your talking about the post on top is a > question that Dr. nco is replying to after > Rob's name. He treats with Armour first and has > been pushing Adrenal Fatigue on us for some time so > he never treats with out checking for Adrenal > Fatigue first. So he is saying some people can't > take Armour at all even when treating there Adrenal > Fatigue. > Phil > > wrote: > Is Dr. nco answering this question or > is this > coming from a forum member? It seems like it's a > member who had issues with Armour in the beginning > statement. Is he/she implying that one should try > Synthroid if not tolerating Armour after stabilizing > adrenals? > > > > --- Philip Georgian wrote: > > > If you don't want me to post this info let me know > > it's not a problem. > > A cut and Paste on > > > > Re: Why is Armour thyroid sometimes intolerable? > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------- > > > > Quote: > > Originally Posted by raw1973 > > I had issues tolerating Armour ( a couple > times)and > > had to come off. > > I'm waiting to get tested for adrenal issues, but > in > > the meantime I'm > > wondering why many people have problems. > > I assumed it was the T3, but one grain of Armour > > only has 9mcg T3 > > along with 38mcg T4 along with unmeasured T2,T1, > and > > soforth. You see > > guys ramping up T3 cycles starting at 25mcg and > > going up to over 100 > > with no adrenal issues. I've also in the past > taken > > many stimulants > > in excess such as ECA, Clen, NYC, with no problem. > > Any comments?--Rob > > > > > > The human body has a ratio of about 10% T3, 90% > T4. > > > > Armour Thyroid is about 20% T3, 80 % T4. This can > > cause problems with > > some people, who cannot tolerate well the activity > > of the much more > > potent T3 than T4. > > > > Often, what makes Armour Thyroid intolerable is > the > > presence of > > Adrenal Fatigue/Depletion. Thyroid hormone makes > > more demands on > > adrenal function. If the adrenals cannot tolerate > > the extra workload, > > then they worsen in fatigue/depletion. This leads > to > > a surge in > > norepinephrine or other stimulant neurotransmitter > > production, which > > leads to anxiety, irritability, hypertension, > > tachycardia, sweating, > > and other effects in addition to symptoms of > adrenal > > fatigue. > > > > Armour Thyroid also contains an unspecified amount > > of Calcitonin - > > which lowers blood calcium level. Lowering blood > > calcium excessively > > in patients can cause multiple problems including > > irritability, > > confusion, muscle spasms, congestive heart > failure, > > breathing > > problems, etc. > > > > Armour Thyroid also contains T1 and T2, which have > > additional thyroid > > activities - thus a larger overall activity than > > just from T3 and T4 - > > the only hormone specified in Armour Thryoid. > > > > Thus one has to be careful and have ideally, > > physician monitoring, to > > help determine what is happening when one has > > adverse effects from > > Armour Thyroid. Armour Thyroid is a much more > > complex compound that > > just T3 and T4. > > > > Not everyone can tolerate Armour Thyroid, no > matter > > how small the > > dose. For some patients, I would use Synthroid > (T4) > > and try to > > optimize thyroid function via other means if they > > cannot tolerate > > Armour Thyroid. > > __________________ > > Any statement I make on this site is for > educational > > purposes only > > and will change as medical knowledge progresses. > It > > does not > > constitute medical advice, does not substitute for > > proper medical > > evaluation from physician, does not create a > > doctor/patient > > relationship or liability. If you would like > medical > > advice, please > > make an appointment. Thank you. > > Phil > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people > who know. > Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low > PC-to-Phone call rates. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Yup, that's me...can't tolerate any Armour (30mg. max) --- philip georgian wrote: > I see what your talking about the post on top is a > question that Dr. nco is replying to after > Rob's name. He treats with Armour first and has > been pushing Adrenal Fatigue on us for some time so > he never treats with out checking for Adrenal > Fatigue first. So he is saying some people can't > take Armour at all even when treating there Adrenal > Fatigue. > Phil > > wrote: > Is Dr. nco answering this question or > is this > coming from a forum member? It seems like it's a > member who had issues with Armour in the beginning > statement. Is he/she implying that one should try > Synthroid if not tolerating Armour after stabilizing > adrenals? > > > > --- Philip Georgian wrote: > > > If you don't want me to post this info let me know > > it's not a problem. > > A cut and Paste on > > > > Re: Why is Armour thyroid sometimes intolerable? > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------- > > > > Quote: > > Originally Posted by raw1973 > > I had issues tolerating Armour ( a couple > times)and > > had to come off. > > I'm waiting to get tested for adrenal issues, but > in > > the meantime I'm > > wondering why many people have problems. > > I assumed it was the T3, but one grain of Armour > > only has 9mcg T3 > > along with 38mcg T4 along with unmeasured T2,T1, > and > > soforth. You see > > guys ramping up T3 cycles starting at 25mcg and > > going up to over 100 > > with no adrenal issues. I've also in the past > taken > > many stimulants > > in excess such as ECA, Clen, NYC, with no problem. > > Any comments?--Rob > > > > > > The human body has a ratio of about 10% T3, 90% > T4. > > > > Armour Thyroid is about 20% T3, 80 % T4. This can > > cause problems with > > some people, who cannot tolerate well the activity > > of the much more > > potent T3 than T4. > > > > Often, what makes Armour Thyroid intolerable is > the > > presence of > > Adrenal Fatigue/Depletion. Thyroid hormone makes > > more demands on > > adrenal function. If the adrenals cannot tolerate > > the extra workload, > > then they worsen in fatigue/depletion. This leads > to > > a surge in > > norepinephrine or other stimulant neurotransmitter > > production, which > > leads to anxiety, irritability, hypertension, > > tachycardia, sweating, > > and other effects in addition to symptoms of > adrenal > > fatigue. > > > > Armour Thyroid also contains an unspecified amount > > of Calcitonin - > > which lowers blood calcium level. Lowering blood > > calcium excessively > > in patients can cause multiple problems including > > irritability, > > confusion, muscle spasms, congestive heart > failure, > > breathing > > problems, etc. > > > > Armour Thyroid also contains T1 and T2, which have > > additional thyroid > > activities - thus a larger overall activity than > > just from T3 and T4 - > > the only hormone specified in Armour Thryoid. > > > > Thus one has to be careful and have ideally, > > physician monitoring, to > > help determine what is happening when one has > > adverse effects from > > Armour Thyroid. Armour Thyroid is a much more > > complex compound that > > just T3 and T4. > > > > Not everyone can tolerate Armour Thyroid, no > matter > > how small the > > dose. For some patients, I would use Synthroid > (T4) > > and try to > > optimize thyroid function via other means if they > > cannot tolerate > > Armour Thyroid. > > __________________ > > Any statement I make on this site is for > educational > > purposes only > > and will change as medical knowledge progresses. > It > > does not > > constitute medical advice, does not substitute for > > proper medical > > evaluation from physician, does not create a > > doctor/patient > > relationship or liability. If you would like > medical > > advice, please > > make an appointment. Thank you. > > Phil > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people > who know. > Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low > PC-to-Phone call rates. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Hi, I had to do temps for a gyno to track my hormones.They were always lower first thing in the morning. Even if I waited 1/2 hour they went right up, so it makes me leary of how accurate the first morning temps are.LOL Debbie In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , " Philip Georgian " wrote: > > Re: Sub 98 Degrees, WTF? > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---------- > > Quote: > Originally Posted by Ramstein II > I've measured my body temp over time--off and on for over a year. I'm > always under 98 degrees during the day (usually 97 point something) > and am very low when I wake up, like around 95-96 degrees. I've been > as low as 94 degrees. WTF? I'd like some input please. No, I don't > know my thyroid levels. > > > > Hypothyroidism results in lower metabolism and thus a lower body > temperature. > > Labs to measure thyroid actiivity and to help with treatment include: > Free T3, Free T4, TSH, Antithyroglobulin antibodies, Thyroid > peroxidase antibodies, Cortisol AM, DHEA-s, Progesterone, Fasting > glucose, electrolytes. > > Hypothyroidism can also occur with normal thyroid hormone levels - > such as with a mitochondrial disease which results in thyroid hormone > resistance - meaning a person needs higher than normal thyroid > hormone levels to achieve normal thyroid function. For patients such > as this, it is important to determine the presence of hypothyroidism > by history and physical signs and symptoms. This would be far more > important than the lab test. > __________________ > Any statement I make on this site is for educational purposes only > and will change as medical knowledge progresses. It does not > constitute medical advice, does not substitute for proper medical > evaluation from physician, does not create a doctor/patient > relationship or liability. If you would like medical advice, please > make an appointment. Thank you. > Phil > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 Mine were lower than that,only went up during ovulation. Debbie In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , philip georgian wrote: > > It is one of the best ways to tell how your thyriod is doing both for finding out if it's bad and for dosing you armour. I you do your temp under you arm before getting out of bed and you can move around you need to be still. Put the gauge under your arm and keep it there for 10 min.'s. If your temp is under 97.8 your thyroid is low your or your not on enough armour. This is how this was done before blood testing and is still the best way to tell what is going on and by how you feel. If you do a search on this you will be reading for a long time. > Phil > > debbie wrote: > Hi, I had to do temps for a gyno to track my hormones.They were > always lower first thing in the morning. Even if I waited 1/2 hour > they went right up, so it makes me leary of how accurate the first > morning temps are.LOL > Debbie > > > In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , " Philip > Georgian " <pmgamer18@> wrote: > > > > Re: Sub 98 Degrees, WTF? > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > ---------- > > > > Quote: > > Originally Posted by Ramstein II > > I've measured my body temp over time--off and on for over a year. > I'm > > always under 98 degrees during the day (usually 97 point something) > > and am very low when I wake up, like around 95-96 degrees. I've > been > > as low as 94 degrees. WTF? I'd like some input please. No, I don't > > know my thyroid levels. > > > > > > > > Hypothyroidism results in lower metabolism and thus a lower body > > temperature. > > > > Labs to measure thyroid actiivity and to help with treatment > include: > > Free T3, Free T4, TSH, Antithyroglobulin antibodies, Thyroid > > peroxidase antibodies, Cortisol AM, DHEA-s, Progesterone, Fasting > > glucose, electrolytes. > > > > Hypothyroidism can also occur with normal thyroid hormone levels - > > such as with a mitochondrial disease which results in thyroid > hormone > > resistance - meaning a person needs higher than normal thyroid > > hormone levels to achieve normal thyroid function. For patients > such > > as this, it is important to determine the presence of > hypothyroidism > > by history and physical signs and symptoms. This would be far more > > important than the lab test. > > __________________ > > Any statement I make on this site is for educational purposes only > > and will change as medical knowledge progresses. It does not > > constitute medical advice, does not substitute for proper medical > > evaluation from physician, does not create a doctor/patient > > relationship or liability. If you would like medical advice, please > > make an appointment. Thank you. > > Phil > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Have a burning question? Go to Yahoo! Answers and get answers from real people who know. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2006 Report Share Posted December 14, 2006 It is normal for menstruating women's temps go up and down in a pattern during their cycle because of the change in levels of estrogen & progesterone. Temps can usually go below 97.8 before ovulation then go up just after ovulation. According to Broda ' method, the most accurate/reliable temperature can be taken on Day 2 or 3 of the cycle. Vivien > > Mine were lower than that,only went up during ovulation. > Debbie > > In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS <NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS%40\ yahoogroups.com>, > > philip georgian wrote: > > > > It is one of the best ways to tell how your thyriod is doing both > for finding out if it's bad and for dosing you armour. I you do your > temp under you arm before getting out of bed and you can move around > you need to be still. Put the gauge under your arm and keep it there > for 10 min.'s. If your temp is under 97.8 your thyroid is low your > or your not on enough armour. This is how this was done before blood > testing and is still the best way to tell what is going on and by how > you feel. If you do a search on this you will be reading for a long > time. > > Phil > > > > debbie wrote: > > Hi, I had to do temps for a gyno to track my > hormones.They were > > always lower first thing in the morning. Even if I waited 1/2 hour > > they went right up, so it makes me leary of how accurate the first > > morning temps are.LOL > > Debbie > > > > > > In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS <NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS%40\ yahoogroups.com>, > " Philip > > Georgian " <pmgamer18@> wrote: > > > > > > Re: Sub 98 Degrees, WTF? > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > > ---------- > > > > > > Quote: > > > Originally Posted by Ramstein II > > > I've measured my body temp over time--off and on for over a year. > > I'm > > > always under 98 degrees during the day (usually 97 point > something) > > > and am very low when I wake up, like around 95-96 degrees. I've > > been > > > as low as 94 degrees. WTF? I'd like some input please. No, I > don't > > > know my thyroid levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hypothyroidism results in lower metabolism and thus a lower body > > > temperature. > > > > > > Labs to measure thyroid actiivity and to help with treatment > > include: > > > Free T3, Free T4, TSH, Antithyroglobulin antibodies, Thyroid > > > peroxidase antibodies, Cortisol AM, DHEA-s, Progesterone, Fasting > > > glucose, electrolytes. > > > > > > Hypothyroidism can also occur with normal thyroid hormone levels - > > > > such as with a mitochondrial disease which results in thyroid > > hormone > > > resistance - meaning a person needs higher than normal thyroid > > > hormone levels to achieve normal thyroid function. For patients > > such > > > as this, it is important to determine the presence of > > hypothyroidism > > > by history and physical signs and symptoms. This would be far > more > > > important than the lab test. > > > __________________ > > > Any statement I make on this site is for educational purposes > only > > > and will change as medical knowledge progresses. It does not > > > constitute medical advice, does not substitute for proper medical > > > evaluation from physician, does not create a doctor/patient > > > relationship or liability. If you would like medical advice, > please > > > make an appointment. Thank you. > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Have a burning question? Go to Yahoo! Answers and get answers from > real people who know. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2006 Report Share Posted December 14, 2006 http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp#directions Have you read this site? This is where i send everyone to track adrenal health with temps. It says clearly in the instructions to NOTE menses.. why? Cause the temps are different then. You also need to note pother things that could be affecting them. Sorry but this is the best tool we have. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2006 Report Share Posted December 14, 2006 Yes you're right about Dr. Rind's graphs, philip. Sorry I was confused there for a minute, lol. Sorry , Phil is right. Vivien > > From what I understand from Dr. Rind's temp graphing you do not pay any > mind to up and down temps during the days you check the after your up 3 hrs > and then every 3 hrs. for 3 times then do an avg. chart it or put it on the > graph. If your temps are up and down more then .2 tenths from one days avg. > to the other then your adrenals are not working good. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2006 Report Share Posted December 14, 2006 Where do you get the info on how much T3 and T4 is in Armour? The dosage conversion chart shows 1 grain as being roughly equivalent to 100mcg of Synthroid. How can this be if there is only 9mcg T3 and 38mcg T4? Jen > > If you don't want me to post this info let me know it's not a problem. > A cut and Paste on > > Re: Why is Armour thyroid sometimes intolerable? > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---------- > > Quote: > Originally Posted by raw1973 > I had issues tolerating Armour ( a couple times)and had to come off. > I'm waiting to get tested for adrenal issues, but in the meantime I'm > wondering why many people have problems. > I assumed it was the T3, but one grain of Armour only has 9mcg T3 > along with 38mcg T4 along with unmeasured T2,T1, and soforth. You see > guys ramping up T3 cycles starting at 25mcg and going up to over 100 > with no adrenal issues. I've also in the past taken many stimulants > in excess such as ECA, Clen, NYC, with no problem. Any comments?-- Rob > > > The human body has a ratio of about 10% T3, 90% T4. > > Armour Thyroid is about 20% T3, 80 % T4. This can cause problems with > some people, who cannot tolerate well the activity of the much more > potent T3 than T4. > > Often, what makes Armour Thyroid intolerable is the presence of > Adrenal Fatigue/Depletion. Thyroid hormone makes more demands on > adrenal function. If the adrenals cannot tolerate the extra workload, > then they worsen in fatigue/depletion. This leads to a surge in > norepinephrine or other stimulant neurotransmitter production, which > leads to anxiety, irritability, hypertension, tachycardia, sweating, > and other effects in addition to symptoms of adrenal fatigue. > > Armour Thyroid also contains an unspecified amount of Calcitonin - > which lowers blood calcium level. Lowering blood calcium excessively > in patients can cause multiple problems including irritability, > confusion, muscle spasms, congestive heart failure, breathing > problems, etc. > > Armour Thyroid also contains T1 and T2, which have additional thyroid > activities - thus a larger overall activity than just from T3 and T4 - > the only hormone specified in Armour Thryoid. > > Thus one has to be careful and have ideally, physician monitoring, to > help determine what is happening when one has adverse effects from > Armour Thyroid. Armour Thyroid is a much more complex compound that > just T3 and T4. > > Not everyone can tolerate Armour Thyroid, no matter how small the > dose. For some patients, I would use Synthroid (T4) and try to > optimize thyroid function via other means if they cannot tolerate > Armour Thyroid. > __________________ > Any statement I make on this site is for educational purposes only > and will change as medical knowledge progresses. It does not > constitute medical advice, does not substitute for proper medical > evaluation from physician, does not create a doctor/patient > relationship or liability. If you would like medical advice, please > make an appointment. Thank you. > Phil > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2006 Report Share Posted December 14, 2006 Where do you get the info on how much T3 and T4 is in Armour? The dosage conversion chart shows 1 grain as being roughly equivalent to 100mcg of Synthroid. How can this be if there is only 9mcg T3 and 38mcg T4? Jen > > If you don't want me to post this info let me know it's not a problem. > A cut and Paste on > > Re: Why is Armour thyroid sometimes intolerable? > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---------- > > Quote: > Originally Posted by raw1973 > I had issues tolerating Armour ( a couple times)and had to come off. > I'm waiting to get tested for adrenal issues, but in the meantime I'm > wondering why many people have problems. > I assumed it was the T3, but one grain of Armour only has 9mcg T3 > along with 38mcg T4 along with unmeasured T2,T1, and soforth. You see > guys ramping up T3 cycles starting at 25mcg and going up to over 100 > with no adrenal issues. I've also in the past taken many stimulants > in excess such as ECA, Clen, NYC, with no problem. Any comments?-- Rob > > > The human body has a ratio of about 10% T3, 90% T4. > > Armour Thyroid is about 20% T3, 80 % T4. This can cause problems with > some people, who cannot tolerate well the activity of the much more > potent T3 than T4. > > Often, what makes Armour Thyroid intolerable is the presence of > Adrenal Fatigue/Depletion. Thyroid hormone makes more demands on > adrenal function. If the adrenals cannot tolerate the extra workload, > then they worsen in fatigue/depletion. This leads to a surge in > norepinephrine or other stimulant neurotransmitter production, which > leads to anxiety, irritability, hypertension, tachycardia, sweating, > and other effects in addition to symptoms of adrenal fatigue. > > Armour Thyroid also contains an unspecified amount of Calcitonin - > which lowers blood calcium level. Lowering blood calcium excessively > in patients can cause multiple problems including irritability, > confusion, muscle spasms, congestive heart failure, breathing > problems, etc. > > Armour Thyroid also contains T1 and T2, which have additional thyroid > activities - thus a larger overall activity than just from T3 and T4 - > the only hormone specified in Armour Thryoid. > > Thus one has to be careful and have ideally, physician monitoring, to > help determine what is happening when one has adverse effects from > Armour Thyroid. Armour Thyroid is a much more complex compound that > just T3 and T4. > > Not everyone can tolerate Armour Thyroid, no matter how small the > dose. For some patients, I would use Synthroid (T4) and try to > optimize thyroid function via other means if they cannot tolerate > Armour Thyroid. > __________________ > Any statement I make on this site is for educational purposes only > and will change as medical knowledge progresses. It does not > constitute medical advice, does not substitute for proper medical > evaluation from physician, does not create a doctor/patient > relationship or liability. If you would like medical advice, please > make an appointment. Thank you. > Phil > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 As I said, my DAILY AVERAGE temps. do not spike at all. They gradually go higher and lower which is not typical of weak adrenals. I would expect daily fluctuations of spiking up and down. --- Gracie wrote: > , I think Dr. Rind's temp graph would really > help you. It's the best > way we've found for checking adrenal function with > temps. I think > already posted the link to > it. For checking adrenals, it is not so much what > your temps are that matter > but how much they fluctuate > throughout the day. For example, if you have a 98.4 > temp at 9am then a > 97.5 temp at noon (and so on), the big differences > between the temps > indicate > adrenal problems. If your temps pretty much stay the > same (regardless if > they're high/low), then your adrenals are probably > fine. > > It is ok for your *basal morning* temps to be lower > before ovulation and > higher after. This is the typical pattern. > This is because ovulation releases progesterone > which elevates the temp. I'm > not sure about daytime temps, though. The basal > temps are just for checking > *thyroid* function, however. For adrenal you need > the daytime temps accdg. > to Dr. Rind. > > <http://www.amazon.com/Taking-Charge-Your-Fertility-Reproductive/dp/0060937645>H\ ope > I didn't confuse you even more! > > Vivien > > On 14/12/06, > wrote: > > > > This pattern of fluctuating temps I'm having seems > to > > be consistent, > > at least for the past 3 months I've been tracking > my > > temps. My daily > > averages do not spike up and down throught the > week. > > What is > > happening, is that my temps are lower in the first > > half of my cycle. I > > still have periods. Then temps steadily rise in > the > > second half of the > > cycle. They start at about 98.0 daily average then > all > > the way up to > > 98.6 average. Do any of you experience this type > of > > PATTERNED > > variablity? To me, I don't feel this type of > pattern > > is a good way of > > seeing how the adrenals are doing, especially of > it's > > the same each > > month. The morning basal temps. coincide with my > daily > > averages. In another words, if it's the 2nd or 3rd > day > > of my period with a basal temp. of 97.6, my daily > > average will be lower too, usually around 98.0. I > did > > have a saliva test for Cortisol and it showed that > I > > could use some. Something just isn't right here. > > > > --- Gracie <teardrop2k@... > <teardrop2k%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > It is normal for menstruating women's temps go > up > > > and down in a pattern > > > during their cycle because of the change in > levels > > > of estrogen & > > > progesterone. Temps can usually go below 97.8 > before > > > ovulation then go up > > > just after ovulation. According to Broda ' > > > method, the most > > > accurate/reliable temperature can be taken on > Day 2 > > > or 3 of the cycle. > > > > > > Vivien > > > > > > On 13/12/06, debbie > <debbieellison06@...<debbieellison06%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Mine were lower than that,only went up during > > > ovulation. > > > > Debbie > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS <NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS%40\ yahoogroups.com> > > > <NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > > > > > philip georgian wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It is one of the best ways to tell how your > > > thyriod is doing both > > > > for finding out if it's bad and for dosing you > > > armour. I you do your > > > > temp under you arm before getting out of bed > and > > > you can move around > > > > you need to be still. Put the gauge under your > arm > > > and keep it there > > > > for 10 min.'s. If your temp is under 97.8 your > > > thyroid is low your > > > > or your not on enough armour. This is how this > was > > > done before blood > > > > testing and is still the best way to tell what > is > > > going on and by how > > > > you feel. If you do a search on this you will > be > > > reading for a long > > > > time. > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > debbie wrote: > > > > > Hi, I had to do temps for a gyno to track my > > > > hormones.They were > > > > > always lower first thing in the morning. > Even if > > > I waited 1/2 hour > > > > > they went right up, so it makes me leary of > how > > > accurate the first > > > > > morning temps are.LOL > > > > > Debbie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS <NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS%40\ yahoogroups.com> > > > <NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > " Philip > > > > > Georgian " <pmgamer18@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sub 98 Degrees, WTF? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > -- > > > > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote: > > > > > > Originally Posted by Ramstein II > > > > > > I've measured my body temp over time--off > and > > > on for over a year. > > > > > I'm > > > > > > always under 98 degrees during the day > > > (usually 97 point > > > > something) > > > > > > and am very low when I wake up, like > around > > > 95-96 degrees. I've > > > > > been > > > > > > as low as 94 degrees. WTF? I'd like some > input > > > please. No, I > > > > don't > > > > > > know my thyroid levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hypothyroidism results in lower metabolism > and > > > thus a lower body > > > > > > temperature. > > > > > > > > > > > > Labs to measure thyroid actiivity and to > help > > > with treatment > > > > > include: > > > > > > Free T3, Free T4, TSH, Antithyroglobulin > > > antibodies, Thyroid > > > > > > peroxidase antibodies, Cortisol AM, > DHEA-s, > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 As I said, my DAILY AVERAGE temps. do not spike at all. They gradually go higher and lower which is not typical of weak adrenals. I would expect daily fluctuations of spiking up and down. --- Gracie wrote: > , I think Dr. Rind's temp graph would really > help you. It's the best > way we've found for checking adrenal function with > temps. I think > already posted the link to > it. For checking adrenals, it is not so much what > your temps are that matter > but how much they fluctuate > throughout the day. For example, if you have a 98.4 > temp at 9am then a > 97.5 temp at noon (and so on), the big differences > between the temps > indicate > adrenal problems. If your temps pretty much stay the > same (regardless if > they're high/low), then your adrenals are probably > fine. > > It is ok for your *basal morning* temps to be lower > before ovulation and > higher after. This is the typical pattern. > This is because ovulation releases progesterone > which elevates the temp. I'm > not sure about daytime temps, though. The basal > temps are just for checking > *thyroid* function, however. For adrenal you need > the daytime temps accdg. > to Dr. Rind. > > <http://www.amazon.com/Taking-Charge-Your-Fertility-Reproductive/dp/0060937645>H\ ope > I didn't confuse you even more! > > Vivien > > On 14/12/06, > wrote: > > > > This pattern of fluctuating temps I'm having seems > to > > be consistent, > > at least for the past 3 months I've been tracking > my > > temps. My daily > > averages do not spike up and down throught the > week. > > What is > > happening, is that my temps are lower in the first > > half of my cycle. I > > still have periods. Then temps steadily rise in > the > > second half of the > > cycle. They start at about 98.0 daily average then > all > > the way up to > > 98.6 average. Do any of you experience this type > of > > PATTERNED > > variablity? To me, I don't feel this type of > pattern > > is a good way of > > seeing how the adrenals are doing, especially of > it's > > the same each > > month. The morning basal temps. coincide with my > daily > > averages. In another words, if it's the 2nd or 3rd > day > > of my period with a basal temp. of 97.6, my daily > > average will be lower too, usually around 98.0. I > did > > have a saliva test for Cortisol and it showed that > I > > could use some. Something just isn't right here. > > > > --- Gracie <teardrop2k@... > <teardrop2k%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > It is normal for menstruating women's temps go > up > > > and down in a pattern > > > during their cycle because of the change in > levels > > > of estrogen & > > > progesterone. Temps can usually go below 97.8 > before > > > ovulation then go up > > > just after ovulation. According to Broda ' > > > method, the most > > > accurate/reliable temperature can be taken on > Day 2 > > > or 3 of the cycle. > > > > > > Vivien > > > > > > On 13/12/06, debbie > <debbieellison06@...<debbieellison06%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Mine were lower than that,only went up during > > > ovulation. > > > > Debbie > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS <NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS%40\ yahoogroups.com> > > > <NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > > > > > philip georgian wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It is one of the best ways to tell how your > > > thyriod is doing both > > > > for finding out if it's bad and for dosing you > > > armour. I you do your > > > > temp under you arm before getting out of bed > and > > > you can move around > > > > you need to be still. Put the gauge under your > arm > > > and keep it there > > > > for 10 min.'s. If your temp is under 97.8 your > > > thyroid is low your > > > > or your not on enough armour. This is how this > was > > > done before blood > > > > testing and is still the best way to tell what > is > > > going on and by how > > > > you feel. If you do a search on this you will > be > > > reading for a long > > > > time. > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > debbie wrote: > > > > > Hi, I had to do temps for a gyno to track my > > > > hormones.They were > > > > > always lower first thing in the morning. > Even if > > > I waited 1/2 hour > > > > > they went right up, so it makes me leary of > how > > > accurate the first > > > > > morning temps are.LOL > > > > > Debbie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS <NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS%40\ yahoogroups.com> > > > <NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > " Philip > > > > > Georgian " <pmgamer18@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sub 98 Degrees, WTF? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > -- > > > > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote: > > > > > > Originally Posted by Ramstein II > > > > > > I've measured my body temp over time--off > and > > > on for over a year. > > > > > I'm > > > > > > always under 98 degrees during the day > > > (usually 97 point > > > > something) > > > > > > and am very low when I wake up, like > around > > > 95-96 degrees. I've > > > > > been > > > > > > as low as 94 degrees. WTF? I'd like some > input > > > please. No, I > > > > don't > > > > > > know my thyroid levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hypothyroidism results in lower metabolism > and > > > thus a lower body > > > > > > temperature. > > > > > > > > > > > > Labs to measure thyroid actiivity and to > help > > > with treatment > > > > > include: > > > > > > Free T3, Free T4, TSH, Antithyroglobulin > > > antibodies, Thyroid > > > > > > peroxidase antibodies, Cortisol AM, > DHEA-s, > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 I don't know he is a Dr. and just posted them. Phil jamiesamuelsmom wrote: Where do you get the info on how much T3 and T4 is in Armour? The dosage conversion chart shows 1 grain as being roughly equivalent to 100mcg of Synthroid. How can this be if there is only 9mcg T3 and 38mcg T4? Jen > > If you don't want me to post this info let me know it's not a problem. > A cut and Paste on > > Re: Why is Armour thyroid sometimes intolerable? > > ---------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---------- > > Quote: > Originally Posted by raw1973 > I had issues tolerating Armour ( a couple times)and had to come off. > I'm waiting to get tested for adrenal issues, but in the meantime I'm > wondering why many people have problems. > I assumed it was the T3, but one grain of Armour only has 9mcg T3 > along with 38mcg T4 along with unmeasured T2,T1, and soforth. You see > guys ramping up T3 cycles starting at 25mcg and going up to over 100 > with no adrenal issues. I've also in the past taken many stimulants > in excess such as ECA, Clen, NYC, with no problem. Any comments?-- Rob > > > The human body has a ratio of about 10% T3, 90% T4. > > Armour Thyroid is about 20% T3, 80 % T4. This can cause problems with > some people, who cannot tolerate well the activity of the much more > potent T3 than T4. > > Often, what makes Armour Thyroid intolerable is the presence of > Adrenal Fatigue/Depletion. Thyroid hormone makes more demands on > adrenal function. If the adrenals cannot tolerate the extra workload, > then they worsen in fatigue/depletion. This leads to a surge in > norepinephrine or other stimulant neurotransmitter production, which > leads to anxiety, irritability, hypertension, tachycardia, sweating, > and other effects in addition to symptoms of adrenal fatigue. > > Armour Thyroid also contains an unspecified amount of Calcitonin - > which lowers blood calcium level. Lowering blood calcium excessively > in patients can cause multiple problems including irritability, > confusion, muscle spasms, congestive heart failure, breathing > problems, etc. > > Armour Thyroid also contains T1 and T2, which have additional thyroid > activities - thus a larger overall activity than just from T3 and T4 - > the only hormone specified in Armour Thryoid. > > Thus one has to be careful and have ideally, physician monitoring, to > help determine what is happening when one has adverse effects from > Armour Thyroid. Armour Thyroid is a much more complex compound that > just T3 and T4. > > Not everyone can tolerate Armour Thyroid, no matter how small the > dose. For some patients, I would use Synthroid (T4) and try to > optimize thyroid function via other means if they cannot tolerate > Armour Thyroid. > __________________ > Any statement I make on this site is for educational purposes only > and will change as medical knowledge progresses. It does not > constitute medical advice, does not substitute for proper medical > evaluation from physician, does not create a doctor/patient > relationship or liability. If you would like medical advice, please > make an appointment. Thank you. > Phil > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 I don't know he is a Dr. and just posted them. Phil jamiesamuelsmom wrote: Where do you get the info on how much T3 and T4 is in Armour? The dosage conversion chart shows 1 grain as being roughly equivalent to 100mcg of Synthroid. How can this be if there is only 9mcg T3 and 38mcg T4? Jen > > If you don't want me to post this info let me know it's not a problem. > A cut and Paste on > > Re: Why is Armour thyroid sometimes intolerable? > > ---------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---------- > > Quote: > Originally Posted by raw1973 > I had issues tolerating Armour ( a couple times)and had to come off. > I'm waiting to get tested for adrenal issues, but in the meantime I'm > wondering why many people have problems. > I assumed it was the T3, but one grain of Armour only has 9mcg T3 > along with 38mcg T4 along with unmeasured T2,T1, and soforth. You see > guys ramping up T3 cycles starting at 25mcg and going up to over 100 > with no adrenal issues. I've also in the past taken many stimulants > in excess such as ECA, Clen, NYC, with no problem. Any comments?-- Rob > > > The human body has a ratio of about 10% T3, 90% T4. > > Armour Thyroid is about 20% T3, 80 % T4. This can cause problems with > some people, who cannot tolerate well the activity of the much more > potent T3 than T4. > > Often, what makes Armour Thyroid intolerable is the presence of > Adrenal Fatigue/Depletion. Thyroid hormone makes more demands on > adrenal function. If the adrenals cannot tolerate the extra workload, > then they worsen in fatigue/depletion. This leads to a surge in > norepinephrine or other stimulant neurotransmitter production, which > leads to anxiety, irritability, hypertension, tachycardia, sweating, > and other effects in addition to symptoms of adrenal fatigue. > > Armour Thyroid also contains an unspecified amount of Calcitonin - > which lowers blood calcium level. Lowering blood calcium excessively > in patients can cause multiple problems including irritability, > confusion, muscle spasms, congestive heart failure, breathing > problems, etc. > > Armour Thyroid also contains T1 and T2, which have additional thyroid > activities - thus a larger overall activity than just from T3 and T4 - > the only hormone specified in Armour Thryoid. > > Thus one has to be careful and have ideally, physician monitoring, to > help determine what is happening when one has adverse effects from > Armour Thyroid. Armour Thyroid is a much more complex compound that > just T3 and T4. > > Not everyone can tolerate Armour Thyroid, no matter how small the > dose. For some patients, I would use Synthroid (T4) and try to > optimize thyroid function via other means if they cannot tolerate > Armour Thyroid. > __________________ > Any statement I make on this site is for educational purposes only > and will change as medical knowledge progresses. It does not > constitute medical advice, does not substitute for proper medical > evaluation from physician, does not create a doctor/patient > relationship or liability. If you would like medical advice, please > make an appointment. Thank you. > Phil > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 When you take your temps do you do it every 3 hrs 3 to 4 times a day then add them up and divide by the number of time you took it. This is what you look at from day to day the avg. of your temp each day and if it goes up or down more then .2 tenths it your Adrenals. Using the word spiking means to jump why up or down I don't think you will see much spiking on your avg. from one day to the next. Here is what my temps looked like when my adrenls we off 98.7, 98.2, 98.7, 98.5,98.98.0, 98.5 this means my adrenals are not good enough to up my armour. Phil wrote: As I said, my DAILY AVERAGE temps. do not spike at all. They gradually go higher and lower which is not typical of weak adrenals. I would expect daily fluctuations of spiking up and down. --- Gracie wrote: > , I think Dr. Rind's temp graph would really > help you. It's the best > way we've found for checking adrenal function with > temps. I think > already posted the link to > it. For checking adrenals, it is not so much what > your temps are that matter > but how much they fluctuate > throughout the day. For example, if you have a 98.4 > temp at 9am then a > 97.5 temp at noon (and so on), the big differences > between the temps > indicate > adrenal problems. If your temps pretty much stay the > same (regardless if > they're high/low), then your adrenals are probably > fine. > > It is ok for your *basal morning* temps to be lower > before ovulation and > higher after. This is the typical pattern. > This is because ovulation releases progesterone > which elevates the temp. I'm > not sure about daytime temps, though. The basal > temps are just for checking > *thyroid* function, however. For adrenal you need > the daytime temps accdg. > to Dr. Rind. > > <http://www.amazon.com/Taking-Charge-Your-Fertility-Reproductive/dp/0060937645>H\ ope > I didn't confuse you even more! > > Vivien > > On 14/12/06, > wrote: > > > > This pattern of fluctuating temps I'm having seems > to > > be consistent, > > at least for the past 3 months I've been tracking > my > > temps. My daily > > averages do not spike up and down throught the > week. > > What is > > happening, is that my temps are lower in the first > > half of my cycle. I > > still have periods. Then temps steadily rise in > the > > second half of the > > cycle. They start at about 98.0 daily average then > all > > the way up to > > 98.6 average. Do any of you experience this type > of > > PATTERNED > > variablity? To me, I don't feel this type of > pattern > > is a good way of > > seeing how the adrenals are doing, especially of > it's > > the same each > > month. The morning basal temps. coincide with my > daily > > averages. In another words, if it's the 2nd or 3rd > day > > of my period with a basal temp. of 97.6, my daily > > average will be lower too, usually around 98.0. I > did > > have a saliva test for Cortisol and it showed that > I > > could use some. Something just isn't right here. > > > > --- Gracie <teardrop2k@... > <teardrop2k%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > It is normal for menstruating women's temps go > up > > > and down in a pattern > > > during their cycle because of the change in > levels > > > of estrogen & > > > progesterone. Temps can usually go below 97.8 > before > > > ovulation then go up > > > just after ovulation. According to Broda ' > > > method, the most > > > accurate/reliable temperature can be taken on > Day 2 > > > or 3 of the cycle. > > > > > > Vivien > > > > > > On 13/12/06, debbie > <debbieellison06@...<debbieellison06%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Mine were lower than that,only went up during > > > ovulation. > > > > Debbie > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS <NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS%40\ yahoogroups.com> > > > <NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > > > > > philip georgian wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It is one of the best ways to tell how your > > > thyriod is doing both > > > > for finding out if it's bad and for dosing you > > > armour. I you do your > > > > temp under you arm before getting out of bed > and > > > you can move around > > > > you need to be still. Put the gauge under your > arm > > > and keep it there > > > > for 10 min.'s. If your temp is under 97.8 your > > > thyroid is low your > > > > or your not on enough armour. This is how this > was > > > done before blood > > > > testing and is still the best way to tell what > is > > > going on and by how > > > > you feel. If you do a search on this you will > be > > > reading for a long > > > > time. > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > debbie wrote: > > > > > Hi, I had to do temps for a gyno to track my > > > > hormones.They were > > > > > always lower first thing in the morning. > Even if > > > I waited 1/2 hour > > > > > they went right up, so it makes me leary of > how > > > accurate the first > > > > > morning temps are.LOL > > > > > Debbie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS <NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS%40\ yahoogroups.com> > > > <NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > " Philip > > > > > Georgian " <pmgamer18@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sub 98 Degrees, WTF? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > -- > > > > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote: > > > > > > Originally Posted by Ramstein II > > > > > > I've measured my body temp over time--off > and > > > on for over a year. > > > > > I'm > > > > > > always under 98 degrees during the day > > > (usually 97 point > > > > something) > > > > > > and am very low when I wake up, like > around > > > 95-96 degrees. I've > > > > > been > > > > > > as low as 94 degrees. WTF? I'd like some > input > > > please. No, I > > > > don't > > > > > > know my thyroid levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hypothyroidism results in lower metabolism > and > > > thus a lower body > > > > > > temperature. > > > > > > > > > > > > Labs to measure thyroid actiivity and to > help > > > with treatment > > > > > include: > > > > > > Free T3, Free T4, TSH, Antithyroglobulin > > > antibodies, Thyroid > > > > > > peroxidase antibodies, Cortisol AM, > DHEA-s, > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 When you take your temps do you do it every 3 hrs 3 to 4 times a day then add them up and divide by the number of time you took it. This is what you look at from day to day the avg. of your temp each day and if it goes up or down more then .2 tenths it your Adrenals. Using the word spiking means to jump why up or down I don't think you will see much spiking on your avg. from one day to the next. Here is what my temps looked like when my adrenls we off 98.7, 98.2, 98.7, 98.5,98.98.0, 98.5 this means my adrenals are not good enough to up my armour. Phil wrote: As I said, my DAILY AVERAGE temps. do not spike at all. They gradually go higher and lower which is not typical of weak adrenals. I would expect daily fluctuations of spiking up and down. --- Gracie wrote: > , I think Dr. Rind's temp graph would really > help you. It's the best > way we've found for checking adrenal function with > temps. I think > already posted the link to > it. For checking adrenals, it is not so much what > your temps are that matter > but how much they fluctuate > throughout the day. For example, if you have a 98.4 > temp at 9am then a > 97.5 temp at noon (and so on), the big differences > between the temps > indicate > adrenal problems. If your temps pretty much stay the > same (regardless if > they're high/low), then your adrenals are probably > fine. > > It is ok for your *basal morning* temps to be lower > before ovulation and > higher after. This is the typical pattern. > This is because ovulation releases progesterone > which elevates the temp. I'm > not sure about daytime temps, though. The basal > temps are just for checking > *thyroid* function, however. For adrenal you need > the daytime temps accdg. > to Dr. Rind. > > <http://www.amazon.com/Taking-Charge-Your-Fertility-Reproductive/dp/0060937645>H\ ope > I didn't confuse you even more! > > Vivien > > On 14/12/06, > wrote: > > > > This pattern of fluctuating temps I'm having seems > to > > be consistent, > > at least for the past 3 months I've been tracking > my > > temps. My daily > > averages do not spike up and down throught the > week. > > What is > > happening, is that my temps are lower in the first > > half of my cycle. I > > still have periods. Then temps steadily rise in > the > > second half of the > > cycle. They start at about 98.0 daily average then > all > > the way up to > > 98.6 average. Do any of you experience this type > of > > PATTERNED > > variablity? To me, I don't feel this type of > pattern > > is a good way of > > seeing how the adrenals are doing, especially of > it's > > the same each > > month. The morning basal temps. coincide with my > daily > > averages. In another words, if it's the 2nd or 3rd > day > > of my period with a basal temp. of 97.6, my daily > > average will be lower too, usually around 98.0. I > did > > have a saliva test for Cortisol and it showed that > I > > could use some. Something just isn't right here. > > > > --- Gracie <teardrop2k@... > <teardrop2k%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > It is normal for menstruating women's temps go > up > > > and down in a pattern > > > during their cycle because of the change in > levels > > > of estrogen & > > > progesterone. Temps can usually go below 97.8 > before > > > ovulation then go up > > > just after ovulation. According to Broda ' > > > method, the most > > > accurate/reliable temperature can be taken on > Day 2 > > > or 3 of the cycle. > > > > > > Vivien > > > > > > On 13/12/06, debbie > <debbieellison06@...<debbieellison06%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Mine were lower than that,only went up during > > > ovulation. > > > > Debbie > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS <NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS%40\ yahoogroups.com> > > > <NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > > > > > philip georgian wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It is one of the best ways to tell how your > > > thyriod is doing both > > > > for finding out if it's bad and for dosing you > > > armour. I you do your > > > > temp under you arm before getting out of bed > and > > > you can move around > > > > you need to be still. Put the gauge under your > arm > > > and keep it there > > > > for 10 min.'s. If your temp is under 97.8 your > > > thyroid is low your > > > > or your not on enough armour. This is how this > was > > > done before blood > > > > testing and is still the best way to tell what > is > > > going on and by how > > > > you feel. If you do a search on this you will > be > > > reading for a long > > > > time. > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > debbie wrote: > > > > > Hi, I had to do temps for a gyno to track my > > > > hormones.They were > > > > > always lower first thing in the morning. > Even if > > > I waited 1/2 hour > > > > > they went right up, so it makes me leary of > how > > > accurate the first > > > > > morning temps are.LOL > > > > > Debbie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS <NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS%40\ yahoogroups.com> > > > <NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > " Philip > > > > > Georgian " <pmgamer18@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sub 98 Degrees, WTF? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > -- > > > > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote: > > > > > > Originally Posted by Ramstein II > > > > > > I've measured my body temp over time--off > and > > > on for over a year. > > > > > I'm > > > > > > always under 98 degrees during the day > > > (usually 97 point > > > > something) > > > > > > and am very low when I wake up, like > around > > > 95-96 degrees. I've > > > > > been > > > > > > as low as 94 degrees. WTF? I'd like some > input > > > please. No, I > > > > don't > > > > > > know my thyroid levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hypothyroidism results in lower metabolism > and > > > thus a lower body > > > > > > temperature. > > > > > > > > > > > > Labs to measure thyroid actiivity and to > help > > > with treatment > > > > > include: > > > > > > Free T3, Free T4, TSH, Antithyroglobulin > > > antibodies, Thyroid > > > > > > peroxidase antibodies, Cortisol AM, > DHEA-s, > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 Thanks Philip but this is what I've been doing. There is a gradual increase of no more than .2 degrees, then, a decrease in correlation with my cycle. A man would not understand this. Does anyone who still has periods, see the same rhythm? --- philip georgian wrote: > When you take your temps do you do it every 3 hrs 3 > to 4 times a day then add them up and divide by the > number of time you took it. This is what you look > at from day to day the avg. of your temp each day > and if it goes up or down more then .2 tenths it > your Adrenals. Using the word spiking means to jump > why up or down I don't think you will see much > spiking on your avg. from one day to the next. Here > is what my temps looked like when my adrenls we off > 98.7, 98.2, 98.7, 98.5,98.98.0, 98.5 this means my > adrenals are not good enough to up my armour. > Phil > > wrote: > As I said, my DAILY AVERAGE temps. do not > spike at > all. They gradually go higher and lower which is not > typical of weak adrenals. I would expect daily > fluctuations of spiking up and down. > > --- Gracie wrote: > > > , I think Dr. Rind's temp graph would > really > > help you. It's the best > > way we've found for checking adrenal function with > > temps. I think > > already posted the link to > > it. For checking adrenals, it is not so much what > > your temps are that matter > > but how much they fluctuate > > throughout the day. For example, if you have a > 98.4 > > temp at 9am then a > > 97.5 temp at noon (and so on), the big differences > > between the temps > > indicate > > adrenal problems. If your temps pretty much stay > the > > same (regardless if > > they're high/low), then your adrenals are probably > > fine. > > > > It is ok for your *basal morning* temps to be > lower > > before ovulation and > > higher after. This is the typical pattern. > > This is because ovulation releases progesterone > > which elevates the temp. I'm > > not sure about daytime temps, though. The basal > > temps are just for checking > > *thyroid* function, however. For adrenal you need > > the daytime temps accdg. > > to Dr. Rind. > > > > > <http://www.amazon.com/Taking-Charge-Your-Fertility-Reproductive/dp/0060937645>H\ ope > > I didn't confuse you even more! > > > > Vivien > > > > On 14/12/06, > > wrote: > > > > > > This pattern of fluctuating temps I'm having > seems > > to > > > be consistent, > > > at least for the past 3 months I've been > tracking > > my > > > temps. My daily > > > averages do not spike up and down throught the > > week. > > > What is > > > happening, is that my temps are lower in the > first > > > half of my cycle. I > > > still have periods. Then temps steadily rise in > > the > > > second half of the > > > cycle. They start at about 98.0 daily average > then > > all > > > the way up to > > > 98.6 average. Do any of you experience this type > > of > > > PATTERNED > > > variablity? To me, I don't feel this type of > > pattern > > > is a good way of > > > seeing how the adrenals are doing, especially of > > it's > > > the same each > > > month. The morning basal temps. coincide with my > > daily > > > averages. In another words, if it's the 2nd or > 3rd > > day > > > of my period with a basal temp. of 97.6, my > daily > > > average will be lower too, usually around 98.0. > I > > did > > > have a saliva test for Cortisol and it showed > that > > I > > > could use some. Something just isn't right here. > > > > > > --- Gracie <teardrop2k@... > > <teardrop2k%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > It is normal for menstruating women's temps go > > up > > > > and down in a pattern > > > > during their cycle because of the change in > > levels > > > > of estrogen & > > > > progesterone. Temps can usually go below 97.8 > > before > > > > ovulation then go up > > > > just after ovulation. According to Broda > ' > > > > method, the most > > > > accurate/reliable temperature can be taken on > > Day 2 > > > > or 3 of the cycle. > > > > > > > > Vivien > > > > > > > > On 13/12/06, debbie > > > <debbieellison06@...<debbieellison06%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mine were lower than that,only went up > during > > > > ovulation. > > > > > Debbie > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS <NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS%40\ yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > > > > > > > philip georgian wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > It is one of the best ways to tell how > your > > > > thyriod is doing both > > > > > for finding out if it's bad and for dosing > you > > > > armour. I you do your > > > > > temp under you arm before getting out of bed > > and > > > > you can move around > > > > > you need to be still. Put the gauge under > your > > arm > > > > and keep it there > > > > > for 10 min.'s. If your temp is under 97.8 > your > > > > thyroid is low your > > > > > or your not on enough armour. This is how > this > > was > > > > done before blood > > > > > testing and is still the best way to tell > what > > is > > > > going on and by how > > > > > you feel. If you do a search on this you > will > > be > > > > reading for a long > > > > > time. > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > debbie wrote: > > > > > > Hi, I had to do temps for a gyno to track > my > > > > > hormones.They were > > > > > > always lower first thing in the morning. > > Even if > > > > I waited 1/2 hour > > > > > > they went right up, so it makes me leary > of > > how > > > > accurate the first > > > > > > morning temps are.LOL > > > > > > Debbie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 Thanks Philip but this is what I've been doing. There is a gradual increase of no more than .2 degrees, then, a decrease in correlation with my cycle. A man would not understand this. Does anyone who still has periods, see the same rhythm? --- philip georgian wrote: > When you take your temps do you do it every 3 hrs 3 > to 4 times a day then add them up and divide by the > number of time you took it. This is what you look > at from day to day the avg. of your temp each day > and if it goes up or down more then .2 tenths it > your Adrenals. Using the word spiking means to jump > why up or down I don't think you will see much > spiking on your avg. from one day to the next. Here > is what my temps looked like when my adrenls we off > 98.7, 98.2, 98.7, 98.5,98.98.0, 98.5 this means my > adrenals are not good enough to up my armour. > Phil > > wrote: > As I said, my DAILY AVERAGE temps. do not > spike at > all. They gradually go higher and lower which is not > typical of weak adrenals. I would expect daily > fluctuations of spiking up and down. > > --- Gracie wrote: > > > , I think Dr. Rind's temp graph would > really > > help you. It's the best > > way we've found for checking adrenal function with > > temps. I think > > already posted the link to > > it. For checking adrenals, it is not so much what > > your temps are that matter > > but how much they fluctuate > > throughout the day. For example, if you have a > 98.4 > > temp at 9am then a > > 97.5 temp at noon (and so on), the big differences > > between the temps > > indicate > > adrenal problems. If your temps pretty much stay > the > > same (regardless if > > they're high/low), then your adrenals are probably > > fine. > > > > It is ok for your *basal morning* temps to be > lower > > before ovulation and > > higher after. This is the typical pattern. > > This is because ovulation releases progesterone > > which elevates the temp. I'm > > not sure about daytime temps, though. The basal > > temps are just for checking > > *thyroid* function, however. For adrenal you need > > the daytime temps accdg. > > to Dr. Rind. > > > > > <http://www.amazon.com/Taking-Charge-Your-Fertility-Reproductive/dp/0060937645>H\ ope > > I didn't confuse you even more! > > > > Vivien > > > > On 14/12/06, > > wrote: > > > > > > This pattern of fluctuating temps I'm having > seems > > to > > > be consistent, > > > at least for the past 3 months I've been > tracking > > my > > > temps. My daily > > > averages do not spike up and down throught the > > week. > > > What is > > > happening, is that my temps are lower in the > first > > > half of my cycle. I > > > still have periods. Then temps steadily rise in > > the > > > second half of the > > > cycle. They start at about 98.0 daily average > then > > all > > > the way up to > > > 98.6 average. Do any of you experience this type > > of > > > PATTERNED > > > variablity? To me, I don't feel this type of > > pattern > > > is a good way of > > > seeing how the adrenals are doing, especially of > > it's > > > the same each > > > month. The morning basal temps. coincide with my > > daily > > > averages. In another words, if it's the 2nd or > 3rd > > day > > > of my period with a basal temp. of 97.6, my > daily > > > average will be lower too, usually around 98.0. > I > > did > > > have a saliva test for Cortisol and it showed > that > > I > > > could use some. Something just isn't right here. > > > > > > --- Gracie <teardrop2k@... > > <teardrop2k%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > It is normal for menstruating women's temps go > > up > > > > and down in a pattern > > > > during their cycle because of the change in > > levels > > > > of estrogen & > > > > progesterone. Temps can usually go below 97.8 > > before > > > > ovulation then go up > > > > just after ovulation. According to Broda > ' > > > > method, the most > > > > accurate/reliable temperature can be taken on > > Day 2 > > > > or 3 of the cycle. > > > > > > > > Vivien > > > > > > > > On 13/12/06, debbie > > > <debbieellison06@...<debbieellison06%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mine were lower than that,only went up > during > > > > ovulation. > > > > > Debbie > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS <NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS%40\ yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > > > > > > > philip georgian wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > It is one of the best ways to tell how > your > > > > thyriod is doing both > > > > > for finding out if it's bad and for dosing > you > > > > armour. I you do your > > > > > temp under you arm before getting out of bed > > and > > > > you can move around > > > > > you need to be still. Put the gauge under > your > > arm > > > > and keep it there > > > > > for 10 min.'s. If your temp is under 97.8 > your > > > > thyroid is low your > > > > > or your not on enough armour. This is how > this > > was > > > > done before blood > > > > > testing and is still the best way to tell > what > > is > > > > going on and by how > > > > > you feel. If you do a search on this you > will > > be > > > > reading for a long > > > > > time. > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > debbie wrote: > > > > > > Hi, I had to do temps for a gyno to track > my > > > > > hormones.They were > > > > > > always lower first thing in the morning. > > Even if > > > > I waited 1/2 hour > > > > > > they went right up, so it makes me leary > of > > how > > > > accurate the first > > > > > > morning temps are.LOL > > > > > > Debbie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 , I don't know why your saliva test isn't quite agreeing with your temp averages. Here are sample charts showing typical cycle pattern. They only use basal temps, but if you see a similar pattern with your daily averages, then maybe they are just corresponding to different phases in your cycle. I am in no way an expert, but it seems likely if you have such a pattern. http://www.storknet.com/cubbies/preconception/bbt-sample.pdf http://www.irh.org/pdf/nfptempchart-completed.pdf Maybe most women have adrenal problems, I don't know. But it seems often that temp will dip around ovulation and then spike AT LEAST .2 degrees after. I haven't seen a lot of research specific to menstruating women's daytime temp cycles. My own temps are more erratic than yours, and my saliva test showed low cortisol in the morning. Vivien > > Thanks Philip but this is what I've been doing. There > is a gradual increase of no more than .2 degrees, > then, a decrease in correlation with my cycle. A man > would not understand this. Does anyone who still has > periods, see the same rhythm? > > > > > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> <NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS-unsubscribe ?subject=> > _,___ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 , I don't know why your saliva test isn't quite agreeing with your temp averages. Here are sample charts showing typical cycle pattern. They only use basal temps, but if you see a similar pattern with your daily averages, then maybe they are just corresponding to different phases in your cycle. I am in no way an expert, but it seems likely if you have such a pattern. http://www.storknet.com/cubbies/preconception/bbt-sample.pdf http://www.irh.org/pdf/nfptempchart-completed.pdf Maybe most women have adrenal problems, I don't know. But it seems often that temp will dip around ovulation and then spike AT LEAST .2 degrees after. I haven't seen a lot of research specific to menstruating women's daytime temp cycles. My own temps are more erratic than yours, and my saliva test showed low cortisol in the morning. Vivien > > Thanks Philip but this is what I've been doing. There > is a gradual increase of no more than .2 degrees, > then, a decrease in correlation with my cycle. A man > would not understand this. Does anyone who still has > periods, see the same rhythm? > > > > > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> <NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS-unsubscribe ?subject=> > _,___ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 >>. There is a gradual increase of no more than .2 degrees, then, a decrease in correlation with my cycle.<< The point is if it is gradual, there still should not be more than .2 degrees fluctuation from day to dya. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 >>. There is a gradual increase of no more than .2 degrees, then, a decrease in correlation with my cycle.<< The point is if it is gradual, there still should not be more than .2 degrees fluctuation from day to dya. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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