Guest guest Posted June 9, 2002 Report Share Posted June 9, 2002 i hope you're kidding. i'm certainly not rich. but i put my health on the backburner when mom needed me, and now it's my turn. she left me enough that i can pamper myself, and get my health in decent shape, and that's why i'm ordering. i just figure going for 4 years without a salary gives me that pampering at this point. and when i get my BS so it's not going like a yoyo, and my weight and my mental health to a point that everything is in normal range, then i'll take to the kitchen. but right now, i need help, and thank god, i have some. pat > > I'm not rich like Pat ;-) There's no way I could afford to buy the low carb > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 > i just figure going for 4 years without a salary gives me > that pampering at this point. > > Sure ;-) You deserve it! I'm just saying no matter how much I want or deserve it, I'm outta luck if it costs money. All my disability goes for fixed expenses. The good news is that I FINALLY own my farm ;-) I paid off the mortgage last October ;-) (wsm311@...) Peace and Carrots Farm Vermont http://www.homestead.com/peaceandcarrots/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VermontHomesteaders/join Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 > i just figure going for 4 years without a salary gives me > that pampering at this point. > > Sure ;-) You deserve it! I'm just saying no matter how much I want or deserve it, I'm outta luck if it costs money. All my disability goes for fixed expenses. The good news is that I FINALLY own my farm ;-) I paid off the mortgage last October ;-) (wsm311@...) Peace and Carrots Farm Vermont http://www.homestead.com/peaceandcarrots/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VermontHomesteaders/join Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 Hello wsm311@..., In reference to your comment: ð This brings me to my biggest question. Why do people ð follow the diabetes assoc. diet? All the bread, ð potatoes, grain stuff and crackers don't seem to be ð good for diabetics. I suspect grains are a category of ð foods we should do without. Eskimos don't eat grain, ð nomads must not have eaten much. Folks can easily ð live without them. Are they on the diet because people ð are used to eating grain products and it might be hard ð to change? because they can't think for themselves, because their dr's and the ADA told them to, and because its easier to eat the way they always did, and just take drugs..... (for them) I'm also on SSD, and i follow atkins, its hard at first to get on the induction, but after you do it for a few days your appetite is very low to gone, and you will be fine.... I'll stay on induction or close to it, if i can tolerate it till i've lost quite a bit, maybe all my wt, lol if ever i could and then my goal is to change over to maintance of atkins. I do a few things with substitutes, i don't mind splenda at all...i do drink diet sparkling flavored artifically sweetned waters I've tried the atkins bars but they seem to stall my wt loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 Hello wsm311@..., In reference to your comment: ð This brings me to my biggest question. Why do people ð follow the diabetes assoc. diet? All the bread, ð potatoes, grain stuff and crackers don't seem to be ð good for diabetics. I suspect grains are a category of ð foods we should do without. Eskimos don't eat grain, ð nomads must not have eaten much. Folks can easily ð live without them. Are they on the diet because people ð are used to eating grain products and it might be hard ð to change? because they can't think for themselves, because their dr's and the ADA told them to, and because its easier to eat the way they always did, and just take drugs..... (for them) I'm also on SSD, and i follow atkins, its hard at first to get on the induction, but after you do it for a few days your appetite is very low to gone, and you will be fine.... I'll stay on induction or close to it, if i can tolerate it till i've lost quite a bit, maybe all my wt, lol if ever i could and then my goal is to change over to maintance of atkins. I do a few things with substitutes, i don't mind splenda at all...i do drink diet sparkling flavored artifically sweetned waters I've tried the atkins bars but they seem to stall my wt loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 > I'm also on SSD, and i follow atkins, its hard at first to get on the > induction, but after you do it for a few days your appetite is very low to > gone, and you will be fine.... > I haven't read any Atkins books yet....it has only been 10 days since I found out I am diabetic. I have borrowed armloads of diabetes books, but all the Atkins ones were checked out. So far I've only gotten bits and pieces of info from the net. If you were me, what stuff would you read first? (wsm311@...) Peace and Carrots Farm Vermont http://www.homestead.com/peaceandcarrots/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VermontHomesteaders/join Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 > I'm also on SSD, and i follow atkins, its hard at first to get on the > induction, but after you do it for a few days your appetite is very low to > gone, and you will be fine.... > I haven't read any Atkins books yet....it has only been 10 days since I found out I am diabetic. I have borrowed armloads of diabetes books, but all the Atkins ones were checked out. So far I've only gotten bits and pieces of info from the net. If you were me, what stuff would you read first? (wsm311@...) Peace and Carrots Farm Vermont http://www.homestead.com/peaceandcarrots/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VermontHomesteaders/join Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 wendy. first i just wanna say that i hope i did not come off like some spoiled little brat rich kid. i'm not. i just know that with myself, if i don't buy it, i won't fix it. i got used to ordering out when mom was sick because i just could not leave her alone long enough to fix anything. and maybe it's post-meno, or diabetes, or just exhaustion still, but i don't feel like doing anything other than putting something on the little grill, or baking quickly. if it takes more than 2 minutes, then i shun it. so, in order that i get my ducks in a row, i'm buying stuff. and i figure in a month or so, i will feel better, and maybe feel like cooking, exercising and all that good stuff. i've been on this list a while, but not doing what i needed. but i stick pretty much to low carb. i order thin crust pizza some, and actually have not tested, so i need to do that. but other than that, i eat meat and vegies for dinner; a salad for lunch; and sausage and fruit for breakfast. i'm going to change that and have sausage/bacon and eggs for breakfast and see. yesterday my BS went way low (like 60 something), and i wondered if maybe i was having too little something in my diet. i did find that for me, rice and potatoes were not too good. and oatmeal spiked me. i love splenda. and i'm a sugar kinda gal. i think after the initial " Blech " , i've gotten so the diet drinks (Dr. Pepper, Coke) are fine. i don't care much for diet ginger ale and there was anothre that made me barf. i hate the diet fruits in a can, but i love fresh strawberries. i don't like greens, but adore broccoli, green beans, squash and mushrooms. i was eating onions with every meal until someone here said to get rid of some of the onions. i'm starting tomorrow (too late for today) and writing down every prick, and the food, and try one food at a time, and then figure out what works for me, and what does not. i think you are luckier than you know. your farm sounds great, and you have heather. you have lots of good stuff growing there so that you can go out and pick it and fix it. and you havve us!! pat > > I'm still debating sugar substitutes. I never wanted to touch that junk > before and I'm not sure I want to now. I had Splenda one day in the > hospital. > Yuck! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 wendy. first i just wanna say that i hope i did not come off like some spoiled little brat rich kid. i'm not. i just know that with myself, if i don't buy it, i won't fix it. i got used to ordering out when mom was sick because i just could not leave her alone long enough to fix anything. and maybe it's post-meno, or diabetes, or just exhaustion still, but i don't feel like doing anything other than putting something on the little grill, or baking quickly. if it takes more than 2 minutes, then i shun it. so, in order that i get my ducks in a row, i'm buying stuff. and i figure in a month or so, i will feel better, and maybe feel like cooking, exercising and all that good stuff. i've been on this list a while, but not doing what i needed. but i stick pretty much to low carb. i order thin crust pizza some, and actually have not tested, so i need to do that. but other than that, i eat meat and vegies for dinner; a salad for lunch; and sausage and fruit for breakfast. i'm going to change that and have sausage/bacon and eggs for breakfast and see. yesterday my BS went way low (like 60 something), and i wondered if maybe i was having too little something in my diet. i did find that for me, rice and potatoes were not too good. and oatmeal spiked me. i love splenda. and i'm a sugar kinda gal. i think after the initial " Blech " , i've gotten so the diet drinks (Dr. Pepper, Coke) are fine. i don't care much for diet ginger ale and there was anothre that made me barf. i hate the diet fruits in a can, but i love fresh strawberries. i don't like greens, but adore broccoli, green beans, squash and mushrooms. i was eating onions with every meal until someone here said to get rid of some of the onions. i'm starting tomorrow (too late for today) and writing down every prick, and the food, and try one food at a time, and then figure out what works for me, and what does not. i think you are luckier than you know. your farm sounds great, and you have heather. you have lots of good stuff growing there so that you can go out and pick it and fix it. and you havve us!! pat > > I'm still debating sugar substitutes. I never wanted to touch that junk > before and I'm not sure I want to now. I had Splenda one day in the > hospital. > Yuck! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 something about the natural sugars??? i'm eating a half onion right now with my hot dog. and yep, i love Vidalias but i'll take any onion. i used to say that about potatoes, but not now. lol i'm gonna eat just my hot dog and vegies (no sweets or bad stuff) and then test in 1 hour, and 2 hrs (and right before i eat) to see what it does. if i spike any, i'll check the next time without onions. pat << Someone said to slow down on the onions? The South is known for the cooking trilogy of onion, bell pepper and celery. And I mean LOTS of onions. What could possibly be detrimental about onions? >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 Hi, ...two absolutely MUST READ books for newby diabetes are 1) " The First Year, type 2 Diabetes: An Essential Guide for the Newly Diagnosed " by Gretchen Becker, and 2) " Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solutions " by K. Bernstein, M.D. Dr. Bernstein also has a website with excerpts from his book and other good Stuff. The URL is http://www.diabetes-normalsugars.com/index.shtml Vicki In a message dated 06/10/2002 6:41:24 AM US Mountain Standard Time, wsm311@... writes: > > > I haven't read any Atkins books yet....it has only been 10 days since I > found > out I am diabetic. I have borrowed armloads of diabetes books, but all the > Atkins ones were checked out. So far I've only gotten bits and pieces of > info > from the net. If you were me, what stuff would you read first? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 Hi, ...two absolutely MUST READ books for newby diabetes are 1) " The First Year, type 2 Diabetes: An Essential Guide for the Newly Diagnosed " by Gretchen Becker, and 2) " Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solutions " by K. Bernstein, M.D. Dr. Bernstein also has a website with excerpts from his book and other good Stuff. The URL is http://www.diabetes-normalsugars.com/index.shtml Vicki In a message dated 06/10/2002 6:41:24 AM US Mountain Standard Time, wsm311@... writes: > > > I haven't read any Atkins books yet....it has only been 10 days since I > found > out I am diabetic. I have borrowed armloads of diabetes books, but all the > Atkins ones were checked out. So far I've only gotten bits and pieces of > info > from the net. If you were me, what stuff would you read first? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 IMHO, people follow it because their docs recommend it. And docs recommend it because the ADA recommends it. And, 'scuse me for being cynical, but the prime financial supporters of the ADA are the drug companies and major cereal manufacturers. From this, one could deduce that the ADA is directing their research $$ into new pills for diabetes...and keeping BGs high (by eating grain products) creates more markets for pill makers. No one is going to get rich from diabetics eating a lowcarb diet (except maybe the lowcarb food manufacturers, smile). Vicki In a message dated 06/09/2002 10:58:16 PM US Mountain Standard Time, wsm311@... writes: > Now that I have a meter, I know these meals would raise my bg. I ate 1/2 a > yam tonight and went up to 140. > > This brings me to my biggest question. Why do people follow the diabetes > assoc. diet? All the bread, potatoes, grain stuff and crackers don't seem > to > be good for diabetics. I suspect grains are a category of foods we should > do > without. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 IMHO, people follow it because their docs recommend it. And docs recommend it because the ADA recommends it. And, 'scuse me for being cynical, but the prime financial supporters of the ADA are the drug companies and major cereal manufacturers. From this, one could deduce that the ADA is directing their research $$ into new pills for diabetes...and keeping BGs high (by eating grain products) creates more markets for pill makers. No one is going to get rich from diabetics eating a lowcarb diet (except maybe the lowcarb food manufacturers, smile). Vicki In a message dated 06/09/2002 10:58:16 PM US Mountain Standard Time, wsm311@... writes: > Now that I have a meter, I know these meals would raise my bg. I ate 1/2 a > yam tonight and went up to 140. > > This brings me to my biggest question. Why do people follow the diabetes > assoc. diet? All the bread, potatoes, grain stuff and crackers don't seem > to > be good for diabetics. I suspect grains are a category of foods we should > do > without. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 That's the ticket, Pat! Way to go, girl! Vicki In a message dated 06/10/2002 10:35:43 AM US Mountain Standard Time, pat0829@... writes: > i'm starting tomorrow (too late for today) and writing down every prick, and > > the food, and try one food at a time, and then figure out what works for > me, > and what does not. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 That's the ticket, Pat! Way to go, girl! Vicki In a message dated 06/10/2002 10:35:43 AM US Mountain Standard Time, pat0829@... writes: > i'm starting tomorrow (too late for today) and writing down every prick, and > > the food, and try one food at a time, and then figure out what works for > me, > and what does not. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 What's wrong with onions? Well, one cup of cooked (boiled is how they're listed at the USDA site) has 21.315 carbs. That's a lot of carbs. Well, you can subtract 2.940 grams of fiber from it, smile. The USDA website is easy to use and lists almost everything ...the URL is http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/cgi-bin/list_nut.pl I find it invaluable. In a message dated 06/10/2002 11:38:03 AM US Mountain Standard Time, jcddwilliams@... writes: > > Someone said to slow down on the onions? The South is known for the > cooking trilogy of onion, bell pepper and celery. And I mean LOTS of > onions. What could possibly be detrimental about onions? > > W > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 What's wrong with onions? Well, one cup of cooked (boiled is how they're listed at the USDA site) has 21.315 carbs. That's a lot of carbs. Well, you can subtract 2.940 grams of fiber from it, smile. The USDA website is easy to use and lists almost everything ...the URL is http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/cgi-bin/list_nut.pl I find it invaluable. In a message dated 06/10/2002 11:38:03 AM US Mountain Standard Time, jcddwilliams@... writes: > > Someone said to slow down on the onions? The South is known for the > cooking trilogy of onion, bell pepper and celery. And I mean LOTS of > onions. What could possibly be detrimental about onions? > > W > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 > They don't even have a > clue what we're supposed to eat or even are able to eat. The worst part is > they don't give a flip! > > Yup...I can't say it often enough....the ADA diabetic diet is DUMB!!!!! I wish I had a bg meter when I was in the hospital. My readings were probably really high! After 30+ years of docs being mostly idiots, I learned to follow my instincts and ignore them when necessary. They have almost killed me more times than I can count. Some of the best.... I had 12 blood transfusions after the birth of . I started bleeding again 3 weeks after having my daughter. The ER doc said I was just having my period and sent me home, despite the fact I soaked through 6 hotel towels on the way in the ambulance. The next day I was again rushed to the hospital in an ambulance. I had lost half of my blood. They couldn't believe I was still alive. ------------------------------ I was bleeding intestinally and in tons of pain. The doc was ignoring me. I sat on his steps and refused to move until he did something to help me. He called an ambulance. I spent 11 days at Dartmoth-Hitchcock hospital....supposedly a good one. At first they did lots of tests. Couldn't find anything. The second half of my stay, they called in the shrinks who decided I grew up in a dysfunctional family and that's what made me ill. When I got out, I went to an old country doc. He poked my belly, said I needed my appendix out. Turns out the darn thing had ruptured awhile back, and had formed a cyst around itself. I was sick from the peritonitis!! ------------------------------ My regular doc nowdays is great ;-) Still, we disagree from time to time. A couple of years ago I was downing 30+ pills a day. I told him I was going to quit them all cold turkey. He had a fit. After a couple of weeks I felt MUCH better. Later he admitted I was right to do it ;-) (wsm311@...) Peace and Carrots Farm Vermont http://www.homestead.com/peaceandcarrots/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VermontHomesteaders/join Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 i had an idiot, too, wendy. he said " well, you have diabetes " and walked out. period. no pamphlets, no nothing. did i say 'former doctor'--i should have. mom had a good one. we went 6-7 times and told him her leg was hurting and she would cry at nite. he called her a baby pretty much. i told him she never complained. well, she had a horrible staph infection, and was hospitalized for a month. this was the only time EVER in over 40 hospital stays that the hospital fought to keep her. they were scared i would sue (and good thing, because i still plan on stirring up some trouble, and plan on taking that stupid, arrogant *ss of a doctor/surgeon to task. this jack*ss had the nerve to say " i'm a surgeon, and you weave baskets??? " well, yes, but even if i'll never win, he will remember me. for a very, very long time. lol i lvoe them; i hate them. i adore the one i have now, and mom had a few that were very, very special. but for the most part, i would not waste my $$$ on a postage stamp to mail them to hell. pat > ------------------------------ > My regular doc nowdays is great ;-) Still, we disagree from time to time. A > > couple of years ago I was downing 30+ pills a day. I told him I was going > to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 i had an idiot, too, wendy. he said " well, you have diabetes " and walked out. period. no pamphlets, no nothing. did i say 'former doctor'--i should have. mom had a good one. we went 6-7 times and told him her leg was hurting and she would cry at nite. he called her a baby pretty much. i told him she never complained. well, she had a horrible staph infection, and was hospitalized for a month. this was the only time EVER in over 40 hospital stays that the hospital fought to keep her. they were scared i would sue (and good thing, because i still plan on stirring up some trouble, and plan on taking that stupid, arrogant *ss of a doctor/surgeon to task. this jack*ss had the nerve to say " i'm a surgeon, and you weave baskets??? " well, yes, but even if i'll never win, he will remember me. for a very, very long time. lol i lvoe them; i hate them. i adore the one i have now, and mom had a few that were very, very special. but for the most part, i would not waste my $$$ on a postage stamp to mail them to hell. pat > ------------------------------ > My regular doc nowdays is great ;-) Still, we disagree from time to time. A > > couple of years ago I was downing 30+ pills a day. I told him I was going > to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 > Appendix B of Dr. Bernstein's book is titled " Don't Permit Hospitalization > to Impair Your Blood Sugar Control. " But this is not online at his web > site, so get the book if you haven't already. It is very helpful. I did read all I could of his stuff online. His book is now on my shopping list for next time I go to town ;-) (wsm311@...) Peace and Carrots Farm Vermont http://www.homestead.com/peaceandcarrots/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VermontHomesteaders/join Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 > Appendix B of Dr. Bernstein's book is titled " Don't Permit Hospitalization > to Impair Your Blood Sugar Control. " But this is not online at his web > site, so get the book if you haven't already. It is very helpful. I did read all I could of his stuff online. His book is now on my shopping list for next time I go to town ;-) (wsm311@...) Peace and Carrots Farm Vermont http://www.homestead.com/peaceandcarrots/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VermontHomesteaders/join Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 > i had an idiot, too, wendy. he said " well, you have diabetes " and walked > out. period. no pamphlets, no nothing. did i say 'former doctor'--i > should have. Even my good doc did this to me. I'm sure he figured I would study up on diabetes just like I do for all my other diseases. By asking around, I hooked up with a dietician, diabetes counsellor and diabetes educator. The doc never said a word. I went to two libraries and borrowed every book on diabetes. I had a 2 hour appointment with the diabetes educator and I have spent days searching the net. The only time I followed the ADA diet was in the hospital, against my will. I soon realized that diet was way too high in carbs. I'm glad I found this and other diabetes groups. I have learned both what to do and what NOT to do from folk's experience. (wsm311@...) Peace and Carrots Farm Vermont http://www.homestead.com/peaceandcarrots/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VermontHomesteaders/join Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 > i had an idiot, too, wendy. he said " well, you have diabetes " and walked > out. period. no pamphlets, no nothing. did i say 'former doctor'--i > should have. Even my good doc did this to me. I'm sure he figured I would study up on diabetes just like I do for all my other diseases. By asking around, I hooked up with a dietician, diabetes counsellor and diabetes educator. The doc never said a word. I went to two libraries and borrowed every book on diabetes. I had a 2 hour appointment with the diabetes educator and I have spent days searching the net. The only time I followed the ADA diet was in the hospital, against my will. I soon realized that diet was way too high in carbs. I'm glad I found this and other diabetes groups. I have learned both what to do and what NOT to do from folk's experience. (wsm311@...) Peace and Carrots Farm Vermont http://www.homestead.com/peaceandcarrots/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VermontHomesteaders/join Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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