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> do you still create

> recipes? do you have the ability to take a 'regular' recipe and turn it

> into diabetic friendlly?

>

I could....but my philosophy of food is NOT to imitate something else. For

example, I don't understand vegetarians who buy fake hot dogs and hamburgers.

There are plenty of vegetarian foods that taste wonderful in their own right.

I'd rather have some vegetable curry or felafels or tofu stirfry.

So far, every dinner I have cooked since diagnosis has been for all of us.

Last night I sort of held my breath while testing 2 hours after supper....but

it was only 99. I made chili. It's the first time I have tried beans while

testing my bg. I cooked a pound of sausage with a couple of Vidalia onions,

carrots, beans, spices, a bit of tomato with melted cheese on top. On the

side we had salad, sour cream and avocados. I did homemade bread for

and .

Tonight I am making Bay Scallop Chowder. The recipe calls for 3 cubed

potatoes. I will just add more onion, celery and carrot.

At this point, I still do not believe in buying/eating engineered low carb

foods that mimic " regular " food and I do not use fake sweeteners. I do not

want to crave sweetness or baked goods. I want to learn to savor the

sweetness that naturally occurs in fruits and vegetables. I want to learn to

do without traditional baked goods. I never eat snacks, so there's not even a

time I'd want a fake candy bar.

Today I went grocery shopping. I bought chicken, scallops, pork and beef in

big portions, then repacked them for the freezer. There were 31 meals worth.

Then, I spend smaller amounts weekly on fresh fruits and vegetables. It sure

will be nice when our garden is producing ;-) A couple of weeks ago, we spent

$40 on 20 lbs. of cheese at a discount cheese outlet. Good ol' Cabot and

Grafton, VT cheddar. I have two 15 cubic foot freezers and an 8x8 root

cellar, plus shelves of staples. This way, I can cook just about anything on

the spur of the moment. It's about 30 miles round trip to the grocery store.

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> do you still create

> recipes? do you have the ability to take a 'regular' recipe and turn it

> into diabetic friendlly?

>

I could....but my philosophy of food is NOT to imitate something else. For

example, I don't understand vegetarians who buy fake hot dogs and hamburgers.

There are plenty of vegetarian foods that taste wonderful in their own right.

I'd rather have some vegetable curry or felafels or tofu stirfry.

So far, every dinner I have cooked since diagnosis has been for all of us.

Last night I sort of held my breath while testing 2 hours after supper....but

it was only 99. I made chili. It's the first time I have tried beans while

testing my bg. I cooked a pound of sausage with a couple of Vidalia onions,

carrots, beans, spices, a bit of tomato with melted cheese on top. On the

side we had salad, sour cream and avocados. I did homemade bread for

and .

Tonight I am making Bay Scallop Chowder. The recipe calls for 3 cubed

potatoes. I will just add more onion, celery and carrot.

At this point, I still do not believe in buying/eating engineered low carb

foods that mimic " regular " food and I do not use fake sweeteners. I do not

want to crave sweetness or baked goods. I want to learn to savor the

sweetness that naturally occurs in fruits and vegetables. I want to learn to

do without traditional baked goods. I never eat snacks, so there's not even a

time I'd want a fake candy bar.

Today I went grocery shopping. I bought chicken, scallops, pork and beef in

big portions, then repacked them for the freezer. There were 31 meals worth.

Then, I spend smaller amounts weekly on fresh fruits and vegetables. It sure

will be nice when our garden is producing ;-) A couple of weeks ago, we spent

$40 on 20 lbs. of cheese at a discount cheese outlet. Good ol' Cabot and

Grafton, VT cheddar. I have two 15 cubic foot freezers and an 8x8 root

cellar, plus shelves of staples. This way, I can cook just about anything on

the spur of the moment. It's about 30 miles round trip to the grocery store.

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> At this point, I still do not believe in buying/eating engineered low carb

> foods that mimic " regular " food and I do not use fake sweeteners. I do not

> want to crave sweetness or baked goods. I want to learn to savor the

>

then can i impose? if you come up with something that works for you, would

you share your recipe, whether it's your own, or a modification. i'm mostly

just sauteeing stuff. i must have a gazillion recipes, but most calls for

sugar, or flour, or something that we can't have, and i am not sure what to

substitute. i love your being on this list and really do envy all your

knowledge.

and when i find what i can eat, or like, i plan on visiting Costco and

purchasing. but i only have the little top of a freezer, and of course no

root cellar, so i can't buy in huge quantities (except for tuna, beans, etc.)

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> At this point, I still do not believe in buying/eating engineered low carb

> foods that mimic " regular " food and I do not use fake sweeteners. I do not

> want to crave sweetness or baked goods. I want to learn to savor the

>

then can i impose? if you come up with something that works for you, would

you share your recipe, whether it's your own, or a modification. i'm mostly

just sauteeing stuff. i must have a gazillion recipes, but most calls for

sugar, or flour, or something that we can't have, and i am not sure what to

substitute. i love your being on this list and really do envy all your

knowledge.

and when i find what i can eat, or like, i plan on visiting Costco and

purchasing. but i only have the little top of a freezer, and of course no

root cellar, so i can't buy in huge quantities (except for tuna, beans, etc.)

pat

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> then can i impose? if you come up with something that works for you, would

>

> you share your recipe, whether it's your own, or a modification. i'm

> mostly

> just sauteeing stuff. i must have a gazillion recipes, but most calls for

>

> sugar, or flour, or something that we can't have, and i am not sure what to

>

> substitute. i love your being on this list and really do envy all your

> knowledge.

>

Here's tonight's supper ....

http://www.simply-recipes.com/bay_scallop_chowder.htm

sub carrots, celery, onions for potatoes

Give me an idea of what you want to eat. I'd just leave out the bad stuff

and/or add good stuff. If you want to make chicken fried steak....I'd say

forget it. If you want to eat mashed potatoes, I would just steam another

vegetable and enjoy it for itself. If you want roast beef and vegies, just

don't add potatoes. If you want cookies, learn to adore fruit salad.

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> then can i impose? if you come up with something that works for you, would

>

> you share your recipe, whether it's your own, or a modification. i'm

> mostly

> just sauteeing stuff. i must have a gazillion recipes, but most calls for

>

> sugar, or flour, or something that we can't have, and i am not sure what to

>

> substitute. i love your being on this list and really do envy all your

> knowledge.

>

Here's tonight's supper ....

http://www.simply-recipes.com/bay_scallop_chowder.htm

sub carrots, celery, onions for potatoes

Give me an idea of what you want to eat. I'd just leave out the bad stuff

and/or add good stuff. If you want to make chicken fried steak....I'd say

forget it. If you want to eat mashed potatoes, I would just steam another

vegetable and enjoy it for itself. If you want roast beef and vegies, just

don't add potatoes. If you want cookies, learn to adore fruit salad.

(wsm311@...)

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i'm on the lowcarb website list (it was recommended here and i ran) and a

'simple diabetic' recipes list. i'm guessing that there are tons of stuff

out there if i just plug it in the search engines. thanks. pat

>

> There's an online lowcarb recipe list through Carbsmart...join up (no

> charge

> of course) and you'll get all kinds of lowcarb recipes almost every day.

> Try

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i'm on the lowcarb website list (it was recommended here and i ran) and a

'simple diabetic' recipes list. i'm guessing that there are tons of stuff

out there if i just plug it in the search engines. thanks. pat

>

> There's an online lowcarb recipe list through Carbsmart...join up (no

> charge

> of course) and you'll get all kinds of lowcarb recipes almost every day.

> Try

>

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well, i love fried potatoes, but forget that. i just planted 6 squash

plants and i adore squash. i'd love to be able to make up a casserole (i

have a favorite, but it uses lots of Pepperidge Stuffing mix). i like tuna

casseroles; hamburger casseroles, chicken casseroles (i just like to make up

large quantities and freeze it). i adore pot pies; chili; cheesecake. my

fav vegies are; broccoli, green beans, tomatoes, SQUASH, eggplant,

mushrooms, and i adore chinese and italian. i'd love to figure out a way to

have tomato sauces over pasta, but i don' think the pasta agrees with my BP.

and i could eat my weight in brownies.

but for me, i'd appreciate any successful recipe anyone has. most of the

recipes i'm known for are potatoes, corn, and all the things i can't have.

pat

>

> Give me an idea of what you want to eat. I'd just leave out the bad stuff

> and/or add good stuff. If you want to make chicken fried steak....I'd say

> forget it. If you want to eat mashed potatoes, I would just steam another

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You can join the CarbSmart Lowcarb Recipe Exchange and get lowcarb recipes in

your email almost every day.

Try connecting to www.carbsmart.com. Then find lowcarb recipe exchange (or

something similar) and sign up. Simple!

If this doesn't work let me know and I'll try to be more specific. I joined

so long ago that I don't remember the mechanics. However, I do have online

folders of many, many saved recipes, smile.

Vicki

In a message dated 06/14/2002 1:59:09 PM US Mountain Standard Time,

pat0829@... writes:

> but for me, i'd appreciate any successful recipe anyone has. most of the

> recipes i'm known for are potatoes, corn, and all the things i can't have.

>

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i joined last week, but haven't gotten any emails. i'll recheck and see if

there's something else i need to do.

and anyone that would like to share their recipe files, i'd love to have

them. pat

>

> so long ago that I don't remember the mechanics. However, I do have online

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well, i don't do the 'helper' things, but i do love the casseroles with

either tomatoes, or potatoes/corn/rice. i can't think of one single

casserole that i DID, that does not have some sorta pasta or starchy

something. i'm gonna try done stuff like chicken divan or those dishes, that

are sorta like casseroles, but not really. those are so darn easy, and you

just take the leftovers out of the freezer.

but i now fix 2-3 porkchops at a time; or boil up chicken and freeze it.

then, if i want something done, i have it. i think i'll concentrate on

some squash casserole or souffles or things to use up the fresh summer

goodies; maybe ratatouille (after i check my BS); or even eggplant parmesan

(same thing--need to check). and then this winter, i will have tons of good

stuff.

BTW, i FINALLY trashed my bananas. i decided it was less than $10, and even

tho' i detest throwing away food, i decided that smelling fresh baked banana

muffins would not work, and i would have to test them. i saved 3-4, a

decided that i might cook those much later (or not) depending on how much i

needed the space in my freezer. pat

>

> Casseroles and XXX helper type things are going to be more difficult to

> manage. You might substitute cauliflower for the starches in them, and see

>

> if that works for you.

>

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Well, since real chili (according to the Texan I married) doesn't have

anything in it except meat and sauce, you should be able to eat plenty of

that.

I eat lots of yellow squash and zucchini with no ill effects, but my

favorite is spaghetti squash. It substitutes for pasta pretty well, and you

can put any regular pasta sauce over it.

Casseroles and XXX helper type things are going to be more difficult to

manage. You might substitute cauliflower for the starches in them, and see

if that works for you.

Robin G.

>From: pat0829@...

>Reply-To: diabetes_int

>To: diabetes_int

>Subject: Re: Low Carb vs. Pyramid

>Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:57:27 EDT

>

>well, i love fried potatoes, but forget that. i just planted 6 squash

>plants and i adore squash. i'd love to be able to make up a casserole (i

>have a favorite, but it uses lots of Pepperidge Stuffing mix). i like

>tuna

>casseroles; hamburger casseroles, chicken casseroles (i just like to make

>up

>large quantities and freeze it). i adore pot pies; chili; cheesecake.

>my

>fav vegies are; broccoli, green beans, tomatoes, SQUASH, eggplant,

>mushrooms, and i adore chinese and italian. i'd love to figure out a way

>to

>have tomato sauces over pasta, but i don' think the pasta agrees with my

>BP.

> and i could eat my weight in brownies.

>

>but for me, i'd appreciate any successful recipe anyone has. most of the

>recipes i'm known for are potatoes, corn, and all the things i can't have.

>pat

>

>

> >

> > Give me an idea of what you want to eat. I'd just leave out the bad

>stuff

> > and/or add good stuff. If you want to make chicken fried steak....I'd

>say

> > forget it. If you want to eat mashed potatoes, I would just steam

>another

>

>

>

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Well, since real chili (according to the Texan I married) doesn't have

anything in it except meat and sauce, you should be able to eat plenty of

that.

I eat lots of yellow squash and zucchini with no ill effects, but my

favorite is spaghetti squash. It substitutes for pasta pretty well, and you

can put any regular pasta sauce over it.

Casseroles and XXX helper type things are going to be more difficult to

manage. You might substitute cauliflower for the starches in them, and see

if that works for you.

Robin G.

>From: pat0829@...

>Reply-To: diabetes_int

>To: diabetes_int

>Subject: Re: Low Carb vs. Pyramid

>Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:57:27 EDT

>

>well, i love fried potatoes, but forget that. i just planted 6 squash

>plants and i adore squash. i'd love to be able to make up a casserole (i

>have a favorite, but it uses lots of Pepperidge Stuffing mix). i like

>tuna

>casseroles; hamburger casseroles, chicken casseroles (i just like to make

>up

>large quantities and freeze it). i adore pot pies; chili; cheesecake.

>my

>fav vegies are; broccoli, green beans, tomatoes, SQUASH, eggplant,

>mushrooms, and i adore chinese and italian. i'd love to figure out a way

>to

>have tomato sauces over pasta, but i don' think the pasta agrees with my

>BP.

> and i could eat my weight in brownies.

>

>but for me, i'd appreciate any successful recipe anyone has. most of the

>recipes i'm known for are potatoes, corn, and all the things i can't have.

>pat

>

>

> >

> > Give me an idea of what you want to eat. I'd just leave out the bad

>stuff

> > and/or add good stuff. If you want to make chicken fried steak....I'd

>say

> > forget it. If you want to eat mashed potatoes, I would just steam

>another

>

>

>

>

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> those are so darn easy, and you

> just take the leftovers out of the freezer.

>

I'm really into using a crockpot! On days when I'm at doc offices (several

times a week) or know I'm going to be just too tired, I cook a crockpot meal.

<<BTW, i FINALLY trashed my bananas. >>

Did you get high bg readings from them? Bummer! Lots of mornings my breakfast

is milk, a banana and 10 cashews. It leaves me with a bg in the 80's or 90's.

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> those are so darn easy, and you

> just take the leftovers out of the freezer.

>

I'm really into using a crockpot! On days when I'm at doc offices (several

times a week) or know I'm going to be just too tired, I cook a crockpot meal.

<<BTW, i FINALLY trashed my bananas. >>

Did you get high bg readings from them? Bummer! Lots of mornings my breakfast

is milk, a banana and 10 cashews. It leaves me with a bg in the 80's or 90's.

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> those are so darn easy, and you

> just take the leftovers out of the freezer.

>

I'm really into using a crockpot! On days when I'm at doc offices (several

times a week) or know I'm going to be just too tired, I cook a crockpot meal.

<<BTW, i FINALLY trashed my bananas. >>

Did you get high bg readings from them? Bummer! Lots of mornings my breakfast

is milk, a banana and 10 cashews. It leaves me with a bg in the 80's or 90's.

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actually, i didn't test. i don't care for fresh bananas. i love them baked

in muffins, or in a daiquiri. i had saved these because they were too ripe,

and had frozen them. decided i didn't need to bake muffins. pat

>

> Did you get high bg readings from them? Bummer! Lots of mornings my

> breakfast

> is milk, a banana and 10 cashews. It leaves me with a bg in the 80's or

> 90's.

>

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actually, i didn't test. i don't care for fresh bananas. i love them baked

in muffins, or in a daiquiri. i had saved these because they were too ripe,

and had frozen them. decided i didn't need to bake muffins. pat

>

> Did you get high bg readings from them? Bummer! Lots of mornings my

> breakfast

> is milk, a banana and 10 cashews. It leaves me with a bg in the 80's or

> 90's.

>

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Hello wsm311@...,

In reference to your comment:

ð Did you get high bg readings from them? Bummer! Lots

ð of mornings my breakfast is milk, a banana and 10

ð cashews. It leaves me with a bg in the 80's or 90's.

, this is because you are barely diabetic, ie your bs levels are not

very high even after eating carbs....

Many of us who cannot tolerate a lot of carbs, can't do one inch of bananna's

without goign thru the roof in our BS levels....

Those of us who do eat more carbs, often do it, but also take medications...

Enjoy this period, it may be a honeymoon stage, or it may be that you were

diagnosed way early.

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Hello wsm311@...,

In reference to your comment:

ð Did you get high bg readings from them? Bummer! Lots

ð of mornings my breakfast is milk, a banana and 10

ð cashews. It leaves me with a bg in the 80's or 90's.

, this is because you are barely diabetic, ie your bs levels are not

very high even after eating carbs....

Many of us who cannot tolerate a lot of carbs, can't do one inch of bananna's

without goign thru the roof in our BS levels....

Those of us who do eat more carbs, often do it, but also take medications...

Enjoy this period, it may be a honeymoon stage, or it may be that you were

diagnosed way early.

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> , this is because you are barely diabetic, ie your bs levels are not

> very high even after eating carbs....

Is that like being barely pregnant? ;-) Before I knew to eat better, my A1c

was 7.0....or an average of 153. If that was my AVERAGE, I hate to think of

how high it was going. I do not eat many carbs now. No bread, potatoes, rice

only twice and sweet potato once. If I ate stuff like that, I would have a

high bs. With excercise and a low carb diet, I'm doing pretty well. The

diabetes educator says I am diagnosed way late, that docs should have paid

more attention after I had a 9 1/2 lb kid 18 years ago. She also said that if

bg is consistantly over 110, a person should be considered diabetic and

treated ASAP.

I'm lucky in that meds were driving up my bs. I stopped 3 diuretics and the

prednisone and another, megace, was cut by 3/4's. I went out to a Father's

Day brunch today and ate some forbidden carbs. I shopped and strolled around

town for 3 hours and my bs was nice and low ;-) I was afraid to see the

results....but walking sure helps! I walk with a cane and was pretty tottery,

but managed to walk that long. A new record for me lately. Tomorrow I will

pay....

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> , this is because you are barely diabetic, ie your bs levels are not

> very high even after eating carbs....

Is that like being barely pregnant? ;-) Before I knew to eat better, my A1c

was 7.0....or an average of 153. If that was my AVERAGE, I hate to think of

how high it was going. I do not eat many carbs now. No bread, potatoes, rice

only twice and sweet potato once. If I ate stuff like that, I would have a

high bs. With excercise and a low carb diet, I'm doing pretty well. The

diabetes educator says I am diagnosed way late, that docs should have paid

more attention after I had a 9 1/2 lb kid 18 years ago. She also said that if

bg is consistantly over 110, a person should be considered diabetic and

treated ASAP.

I'm lucky in that meds were driving up my bs. I stopped 3 diuretics and the

prednisone and another, megace, was cut by 3/4's. I went out to a Father's

Day brunch today and ate some forbidden carbs. I shopped and strolled around

town for 3 hours and my bs was nice and low ;-) I was afraid to see the

results....but walking sure helps! I walk with a cane and was pretty tottery,

but managed to walk that long. A new record for me lately. Tomorrow I will

pay....

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I have a whole bookshelf full of library books about diabetes. Since it has

been cold and raining, we have all been sitting around the woodstove most

nights this week. I have spent my time going through each book. It's fun to

see the differences from year to year of publishing and the many, many

different viewpoints.

Tonight I was reading Diabetes Mellitus: A Practical Handbook by Milchovich

and Long. I was astounded at the meal plans. Here are some sample meals....

breakfast 3/4 cup Cheerios, 1 slice ww toast, 1 banana, margarine, 1 cup

skim milk

snack 1/2 bagel, 1 banana, 1 cup skim milk, margarine

If even a bit of banana drives up the bg for many diabetics, following this

ADA diet wouldn't be too healthy!

I also noticed that the older the book, the higher an acceptable bg is. From

all of this, it sounds like beliefs and facts must change on a regular basis

about us diabetics. No wonder it is all so confusing!

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