Re: Personal issue - friends dropping like flies?

[Guest guest]

I cannot. I am the only witness as he has had no one to his house for the 5

years we dated AND he is a breeder of some notoriety. I value my life at

this point and since only I and a few others are witness to this, and no one

is willing to cooperate, I am alone in this. I am too sick to fight this.

His landlord has seen the house and was going to evict him but he paid up

his rent and continues on. Since everyone he dated before me knows of his

animal abuse and did nothing except to leave him, I am not going to call

animal abuse. I don't know they would do anything since the last time I

called animal abuse regarding a neighbor shooting neighborhood animals and

skinning them and hanging them from a telephone pole, animal abuse did

nothing but pay a visit, no charges and no reprimands......................I

doubt they would take his animals just because they are crated and dirty.

-- Re: Personal issue - friends dropping like flies?

> >

>

> Josie, there is a reason to get well. You cannot define yourself

by

> how others react to you. I am trying to forgive everyone who seems

> to turn their back at the time I need them most; they just don't

> understand. If they did they would make more of an effort. That

> said, it might be helpful to strive towards finding people who are

> in your shoes (which is why this yahoo group is wonderful), and

find

> other ways of finding peace and joy. I still believe part of the

> healing process is trying not to judge those who might love you

but

> who don't know how to deal with the illness. By forgiving them,

you

> will have the energy to move on in more positive ways. I really

> don't believe it's that people you have cared for all these years

> (friends and family) have suddenly forgotten you. It's just that

> many people cannot deal with such a longstanding illness that

makes

> no sense to them. In order to feel empowered in their own life,

they

> use this to put the blame on us in order for them to feel in

> control. They are confused and don't know what they can do to

help,

> so they would rather stay away from the situation. Just another

way

> to think about it. Janis

>

> > I think the social isolation is one of the most painful aspects

of

> being sick.

> > When you need loving support the most, you have to deal with the

> added

> > burden of finding that your " friends " are really merely

> acquaintances who

> > desert you in your time of need, no matter how much you have

> done for

> > them. I found the rejection heartbreaking. I've had to get

> used to it, though.

> > When you have no family left alive, and your friends have

> deserted you

> > because you aren't " fun " to be around any more, it's hard to

> find a reason

> > for trying to get well. For a long time, it's been me and my

> cat......

> > Josie

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

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> >

> >

[Guest guest]

>

> I know that is why I got that letter from that acquaintance last

fall. He told me that I was a toxic, lazy person and that everyone

hates me like he does. This is the only place I get real

understanding, and I appreciate you all!

Well, , that letter was unnecessary & only served himself.

If you were that toxic & lazy, why didn't he just walk away? We don't

always have to say EVERYTHING that's on our minds, especially when

it's harsh & destructive!

>

Like you, , I am considering things. Would I be better off

alone? Hmmmm....I need to think about that.

The reason that I have chosen not to elaborate further on that subject

here, is that I've realized that the decision to end/continue a

marriage is usually not a decision that's made in a day or is as

simple as stepping over a line. I think it's something that one grows

into & it's a series of decisions made over a longer period of time.

I'm sure that you will make the right decision eventually.

My DD probably wouldn't speak to me again, as she is like me and is

daddy's little girl, so I will stay, I think.

I'm sure your daughter loves you for you, not for just being married

to dad. If you decide to end your marriage, I would hope that she

would be able to understand that he was hurting you & your life more

than helping it. If not, unfortunately, she may be a member of the

less compassionate club. It's your marriage, not hers.

Warmly,

>

[Guest guest]

And the poor dogs would go from his crates to an animal shelter and probably

destroyed. So in the long run, they would be crated anyway. That is one

reason I left him. It is sickening but he has been doing this same thing

for years.

-- Re: Personal issue - friends dropping like flies?

> >

>

> Josie, there is a reason to get well. You cannot define yourself

by

> how others react to you. I am trying to forgive everyone who seems

> to turn their back at the time I need them most; they just don't

> understand. If they did they would make more of an effort. That

> said, it might be helpful to strive towards finding people who are

> in your shoes (which is why this yahoo group is wonderful), and

find

> other ways of finding peace and joy. I still believe part of the

> healing process is trying not to judge those who might love you

but

> who don't know how to deal with the illness. By forgiving them,

you

> will have the energy to move on in more positive ways. I really

> don't believe it's that people you have cared for all these years

> (friends and family) have suddenly forgotten you. It's just that

> many people cannot deal with such a longstanding illness that

makes

> no sense to them. In order to feel empowered in their own life,

they

> use this to put the blame on us in order for them to feel in

> control. They are confused and don't know what they can do to

help,

> so they would rather stay away from the situation. Just another

way

> to think about it. Janis

>

> > I think the social isolation is one of the most painful aspects

of

> being sick.

> > When you need loving support the most, you have to deal with the

> added

> > burden of finding that your " friends " are really merely

> acquaintances who

> > desert you in your time of need, no matter how much you have

> done for

> > them. I found the rejection heartbreaking. I've had to get

> used to it, though.

> > When you have no family left alive, and your friends have

> deserted you

> > because you aren't " fun " to be around any more, it's hard to

> find a reason

> > for trying to get well. For a long time, it's been me and my

> cat......

> > Josie

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

>

> I don't think that people turn their backs cause they don't

understand. I

> realized that my nurturing attracted people who wanted that nurturing

> without having to return it. When we became ill, they had to start

> returning the nurturing and they did not want to.

>

Exactly! And it's a startling discovery when you're going along with

your life all normal-like & suddenly become deathly ill, only to

realize that those whom you thought were there for you are too much

into their own whatever to care for you the way you've cared for them.

ly, I think that I'm doing pretty well, considering that I became

ill & discovered this in October & it's now February - a mere four

months later! - and I'm already working to put it in its place in my life!

Warmly,

[Guest guest]

That was NOT was you said in the first place. You said and I quote "

I don't believe that we have to get what we are genetically

predisposed to if we don't set ourselves up to be sick to begin

with. "

Genetic illnesses lie with faulty DNA. DNA that we are BORN with, or

are you altering science now?

Lynda

Re: Personal issue - friends dropping like

> flies?

>

> > Val,

> >

> > I hear what you are saying. I would like to share with you my

> idea

> > of a genetic illness. To me, genetics is what one is predisposed

> to

> > and where their weaknesses lie if they are to breakdown and

> become

> > unbalanced. Thus, I was prone to endocrine problems, and that's

> > what I got once stress, and the way I was operating were no

> longer

> > working. I don't believe that we have to get what we are

> > genetically predisposed to if we don't set ourselves up to be

> sick

> > to begin with. I also believe that our bodies can heal if we do

> the

> > necessary work on ourselves and our lives.

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I know now that beliefs are everything. What we believe in, creates

> our reality. If we believe we cannot and will not get well, we are

> right. I also know now, from my intense study of nutrition and health

> that there is a cure for just about everything that ails us. Yes,

> even things you may think there is no cure for. It's just that big

> pharma and western medicine don't recognize it and we have been

> brainwashed into believing them.

Just a question...if everything is so right in your world, why are you

here? Not intending to be snarky, but if between your beliefs & there

being a cure for everything, I'm wondering why you found your way

here? Being on this forum seems incongruous with what you're preaching.

> As you can see, there are people here who haven't yet delved into the

> mind/spirit part of the equation. It's sometimes hard to grasp this

> when you are ill but if you read books about health, the good ones

> will always mention the mind and spirit part of the equation.

The only thing that I can see here is that you are judging people with

this comment. I really don't think that it's fair to make these kind

of assumptions about people. How can you possibly know what people

have considered or delved into?

[Guest guest]

Phil - I think this happens to many couples because you end up taking each other

for granted. I know the feeling of being with someone and still feeling lonely.

Counseling could help. Have you tried it?

philip georgian wrote:

Yep I hear you loud and clear my wife worked and I took care or her

mother God Bless her we lost her last yr. My wife lost her job and this is what

goes on all day. When her mother was alive they both sat front of the fire place

in the kitchen it's a see through from the great room to the kitchen. The

kitchen is huge and has 2 chairs and a TV in front of the fire place. Then at

8pm they both would come into the great room with me and watch TV. Now my wife

sits in the kitchen like she did with her mother by her self not saying much of

anything all day. She talkes on the phone and watches TV until 8pm then comes

into the great room with me and falls a sleep.

I feel like I live by my self and this has been going on for yrs.

Phil

PickPinkFlowers wrote:

I think the social isolation is one of the most painful aspects of being sick.

When you need loving support the most, you have to deal with the added

burden of finding that your " friends " are really merely acquaintances who

desert you in your time of need, no matter how much you have done for

them. I found the rejection heartbreaking. I've had to get used to it, though.

When you have no family left alive, and your friends have deserted you

because you aren't " fun " to be around any more, it's hard to find a reason

for trying to get well. For a long time, it's been me and my cat......

Josie

---------------------------------

Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited.

[Guest guest]

Phil - I think this happens to many couples because you end up taking each other

for granted. I know the feeling of being with someone and still feeling lonely.

Counseling could help. Have you tried it?

philip georgian wrote:

Yep I hear you loud and clear my wife worked and I took care or her

mother God Bless her we lost her last yr. My wife lost her job and this is what

goes on all day. When her mother was alive they both sat front of the fire place

in the kitchen it's a see through from the great room to the kitchen. The

kitchen is huge and has 2 chairs and a TV in front of the fire place. Then at

8pm they both would come into the great room with me and watch TV. Now my wife

sits in the kitchen like she did with her mother by her self not saying much of

anything all day. She talkes on the phone and watches TV until 8pm then comes

into the great room with me and falls a sleep.

I feel like I live by my self and this has been going on for yrs.

Phil

PickPinkFlowers wrote:

I think the social isolation is one of the most painful aspects of being sick.

When you need loving support the most, you have to deal with the added

burden of finding that your " friends " are really merely acquaintances who

desert you in your time of need, no matter how much you have done for

them. I found the rejection heartbreaking. I've had to get used to it, though.

When you have no family left alive, and your friends have deserted you

because you aren't " fun " to be around any more, it's hard to find a reason

for trying to get well. For a long time, it's been me and my cat......

Josie

---------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

:

And this is still going on in my life. My family avoid me but when the

think they can get something for nothing, they are calling constantly. I

mentioned moving and my brother thinks he will get my house at a reduced

price!! I have just remodeled the kitchen, bathrooms, am getting a new roof

and can sell it for much more than I paid for it. Yet brother thinks I will

actually sell it to him for less than I owe!! His only question to me was

Will my truck fit in your garage? " That did it for me. He did not make an

effort to get a bank loan. He applied on line and when they asked for

documentation of work and W2s he never sent it. He basically thinks he can

have the house and just pay rent, and less rent than my mortgage and still

be paying to own it! Incredible!!!

So I have to constantly watch out for this. I am mad at myself for allowing

this for so long! My mom has no use for me unless she wants me to give her

more of my Armour and HC!

It is a very alarming and sad discovery. It is my own doing as I was raised

to be the servant. I have decided to have no more of this in my life.

This is why I broke up with the bf and do not contact my family members. I

ahve a sister who I will be giving money to since her doctor hubby cannot

bring home any income. My dad left me and brother money (for which I lost

most of in a lawsuit by dad's ex girlfriend who decided they were really

married, long story).

Now I decided to give my sister some of the money since she was not in dad's

will. The only thing she needs to do is send me her checking account number

so I can put the money in her account (we have same bank). That is easiest

for me since I commute to work and am ill. She has not bothered sending me

the account number. In the past I have lent her money and gotten it across

the country via wiring it, within an hour. I have been trying to get the

money to her for 6 months! She has commented that she does not want to pay

taxes on it, as if there is any tax.

So I am supposed to do a lot of work to get her this money! I told her last

week to send me the account number or tell me how she wants the money to be

sent. I get a social email never mentioning it. My family and ex bf have a

history of getting services from me and when I have offered, it ends up

being so much more work for me that I am just staying alone, period. I

cannot fathom someone who is about to receive 10k totally free, trying to

make me work to get it to her (sister).

So in this respect I do believe I created what happens with people in my

life. I did not however, create the family that pushed me into this role

starting as a small child who had to take care of my siblings and parents.

Getting out of this role has been very hard ..........

-- Re: Personal issue - friends dropping like flies?

>

> I don't think that people turn their backs cause they don't

understand. I

> realized that my nurturing attracted people who wanted that nurturing

> without having to return it. When we became ill, they had to start

> returning the nurturing and they did not want to.

>

Exactly! And it's a startling discovery when you're going along with

your life all normal-like & suddenly become deathly ill, only to

realize that those whom you thought were there for you are too much

into their own whatever to care for you the way you've cared for them.

ly, I think that I'm doing pretty well, considering that I became

ill & discovered this in October & it's now February - a mere four

months later! - and I'm already working to put it in its place in my life!

Warmly,

[Guest guest]

:

And this is still going on in my life. My family avoid me but when the

think they can get something for nothing, they are calling constantly. I

mentioned moving and my brother thinks he will get my house at a reduced

price!! I have just remodeled the kitchen, bathrooms, am getting a new roof

and can sell it for much more than I paid for it. Yet brother thinks I will

actually sell it to him for less than I owe!! His only question to me was

Will my truck fit in your garage? " That did it for me. He did not make an

effort to get a bank loan. He applied on line and when they asked for

documentation of work and W2s he never sent it. He basically thinks he can

have the house and just pay rent, and less rent than my mortgage and still

be paying to own it! Incredible!!!

So I have to constantly watch out for this. I am mad at myself for allowing

this for so long! My mom has no use for me unless she wants me to give her

more of my Armour and HC!

It is a very alarming and sad discovery. It is my own doing as I was raised

to be the servant. I have decided to have no more of this in my life.

This is why I broke up with the bf and do not contact my family members. I

ahve a sister who I will be giving money to since her doctor hubby cannot

bring home any income. My dad left me and brother money (for which I lost

most of in a lawsuit by dad's ex girlfriend who decided they were really

married, long story).

Now I decided to give my sister some of the money since she was not in dad's

will. The only thing she needs to do is send me her checking account number

so I can put the money in her account (we have same bank). That is easiest

for me since I commute to work and am ill. She has not bothered sending me

the account number. In the past I have lent her money and gotten it across

the country via wiring it, within an hour. I have been trying to get the

money to her for 6 months! She has commented that she does not want to pay

taxes on it, as if there is any tax.

So I am supposed to do a lot of work to get her this money! I told her last

week to send me the account number or tell me how she wants the money to be

sent. I get a social email never mentioning it. My family and ex bf have a

history of getting services from me and when I have offered, it ends up

being so much more work for me that I am just staying alone, period. I

cannot fathom someone who is about to receive 10k totally free, trying to

make me work to get it to her (sister).

So in this respect I do believe I created what happens with people in my

life. I did not however, create the family that pushed me into this role

starting as a small child who had to take care of my siblings and parents.

Getting out of this role has been very hard ..........

-- Re: Personal issue - friends dropping like flies?

>

> I don't think that people turn their backs cause they don't

understand. I

> realized that my nurturing attracted people who wanted that nurturing

> without having to return it. When we became ill, they had to start

> returning the nurturing and they did not want to.

>

Exactly! And it's a startling discovery when you're going along with

your life all normal-like & suddenly become deathly ill, only to

realize that those whom you thought were there for you are too much

into their own whatever to care for you the way you've cared for them.

ly, I think that I'm doing pretty well, considering that I became

ill & discovered this in October & it's now February - a mere four

months later! - and I'm already working to put it in its place in my life!

Warmly,

[Guest guest]

:

And this is still going on in my life. My family avoid me but when the

think they can get something for nothing, they are calling constantly. I

mentioned moving and my brother thinks he will get my house at a reduced

price!! I have just remodeled the kitchen, bathrooms, am getting a new roof

and can sell it for much more than I paid for it. Yet brother thinks I will

actually sell it to him for less than I owe!! His only question to me was

Will my truck fit in your garage? " That did it for me. He did not make an

effort to get a bank loan. He applied on line and when they asked for

documentation of work and W2s he never sent it. He basically thinks he can

have the house and just pay rent, and less rent than my mortgage and still

be paying to own it! Incredible!!!

So I have to constantly watch out for this. I am mad at myself for allowing

this for so long! My mom has no use for me unless she wants me to give her

more of my Armour and HC!

It is a very alarming and sad discovery. It is my own doing as I was raised

to be the servant. I have decided to have no more of this in my life.

This is why I broke up with the bf and do not contact my family members. I

ahve a sister who I will be giving money to since her doctor hubby cannot

bring home any income. My dad left me and brother money (for which I lost

most of in a lawsuit by dad's ex girlfriend who decided they were really

married, long story).

Now I decided to give my sister some of the money since she was not in dad's

will. The only thing she needs to do is send me her checking account number

so I can put the money in her account (we have same bank). That is easiest

for me since I commute to work and am ill. She has not bothered sending me

the account number. In the past I have lent her money and gotten it across

the country via wiring it, within an hour. I have been trying to get the

money to her for 6 months! She has commented that she does not want to pay

taxes on it, as if there is any tax.

So I am supposed to do a lot of work to get her this money! I told her last

week to send me the account number or tell me how she wants the money to be

sent. I get a social email never mentioning it. My family and ex bf have a

history of getting services from me and when I have offered, it ends up

being so much more work for me that I am just staying alone, period. I

cannot fathom someone who is about to receive 10k totally free, trying to

make me work to get it to her (sister).

So in this respect I do believe I created what happens with people in my

life. I did not however, create the family that pushed me into this role

starting as a small child who had to take care of my siblings and parents.

Getting out of this role has been very hard ..........

-- Re: Personal issue - friends dropping like flies?

>

> I don't think that people turn their backs cause they don't

understand. I

> realized that my nurturing attracted people who wanted that nurturing

> without having to return it. When we became ill, they had to start

> returning the nurturing and they did not want to.

>

Exactly! And it's a startling discovery when you're going along with

your life all normal-like & suddenly become deathly ill, only to

realize that those whom you thought were there for you are too much

into their own whatever to care for you the way you've cared for them.

ly, I think that I'm doing pretty well, considering that I became

ill & discovered this in October & it's now February - a mere four

months later! - and I'm already working to put it in its place in my life!

Warmly,

[Guest guest]

I am M. You must be addressing G.

-- Re: Personal issue - friends dropping like flies?

That was NOT was you said in the first place. You said and I quote "

I don't believe that we have to get what we are genetically

predisposed to if we don't set ourselves up to be sick to begin

with. "

Genetic illnesses lie with faulty DNA. DNA that we are BORN with, or

are you altering science now?

Lynda

Re: Personal issue - friends dropping like

> flies?

>

> > Val,

> >

> > I hear what you are saying. I would like to share with you my

> idea

> > of a genetic illness. To me, genetics is what one is predisposed

> to

> > and where their weaknesses lie if they are to breakdown and

> become

> > unbalanced. Thus, I was prone to endocrine problems, and that's

> > what I got once stress, and the way I was operating were no

> longer

> > working. I don't believe that we have to get what we are

> > genetically predisposed to if we don't set ourselves up to be

> sick

> > to begin with. I also believe that our bodies can heal if we do

> the

> > necessary work on ourselves and our lives.

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

diabetes skips generations....................

-- Re: Personal issue - friends dropping like flies?

Lynda,

I'm not saying we can change out " genetic predisposition " , but I believe

that when we have a breakdown or imbalance of mental, spiritual, physical,

that we are more likely to get what we are genetically predisposed to. My

grandmother had diabetes for example, but none of her four children nor her

grandchildren (now in their 40's) developed it. Just because it was in their

genes, doesn't mean that it will manifest. My problems are all endocrine,

but I know that even though endocrine problems are in my family, I got sick

because of my emotional response to my environment. I wasn't being true to

myself for years and trying to people please instead and trying to take care

of everybody else's needs and trying to be perfect. My body broke down to

send a message that " you can't do this anymore " . This is what I mean.

Re: Personal issue - friends dropping like

> flies?

>

> > Val,

> >

> > I hear what you are saying. I would like to share with you my

> idea

> > of a genetic illness. To me, genetics is what one is predisposed

> to

> > and where their weaknesses lie if they are to breakdown and

> become

> > unbalanced. Thus, I was prone to endocrine problems, and that's

> > what I got once stress, and the way I was operating were no

> longer

> > working. I don't believe that we have to get what we are

> > genetically predisposed to if we don't set ourselves up to be

> sick

> > to begin with. I also believe that our bodies can heal if we do

> the

> > necessary work on ourselves and our lives.

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Lynda,

I'm not saying we can change out " genetic predisposition " , but I believe that

when we have a breakdown or imbalance of mental, spiritual, physical, that we

are more likely to get what we are genetically predisposed to. My grandmother

had diabetes for example, but none of her four children nor her grandchildren

(now in their 40's) developed it. Just because it was in their genes, doesn't

mean that it will manifest. My problems are all endocrine, but I know that even

though endocrine problems are in my family, I got sick because of my emotional

response to my environment. I wasn't being true to myself for years and trying

to people please instead and trying to take care of everybody else's needs and

trying to be perfect. My body broke down to send a message that " you can't do

this anymore " . This is what I mean.

Re: Personal issue - friends dropping like

> flies?

>

> > Val,

> >

> > I hear what you are saying. I would like to share with you my

> idea

> > of a genetic illness. To me, genetics is what one is predisposed

> to

> > and where their weaknesses lie if they are to breakdown and

> become

> > unbalanced. Thus, I was prone to endocrine problems, and that's

> > what I got once stress, and the way I was operating were no

> longer

> > working. I don't believe that we have to get what we are

> > genetically predisposed to if we don't set ourselves up to be

> sick

> > to begin with. I also believe that our bodies can heal if we do

> the

> > necessary work on ourselves and our lives.

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

and I quote your original words back to you " if we don't set ourselves

up to be sick to begin with. "

Now you may say " if I had not set myself up to begin with " Just

don't say WE - you are being judgemental and patronizing.

Lynda

Re: Personal issue - friends dropping like

flies?

> Lynda,

>

> I'm not saying we can change out " genetic predisposition " , but I

> believe that when we have a breakdown or imbalance of mental,

> spiritual, physical, that we are more likely to get what we are

> genetically predisposed to.

[Guest guest]

I couldn't agree with you more, .

Sometimes it's just physical.

I think that sometimes it makes us FEEL more in control & able to

accept it to think that somehow we created it & can make it go away as

well. It takes away the unfairness of it all. Like why is Joe Blow a

total a$$hole with good health, and here is someone else - a good

person - with lots of problems.

I, too, saw The Secret & thought it was pretty amazing (although I'm

almost positive that I'm one of those that Ginger thinks is in the

" doesn't contemplate my own personal power " category). In fact, I've

incorporated the concepts into my world & have seen a difference. I'm

now getting a good hour or two of productive time in the mornings,

which is far better than before, when I had zero hours of productive

time.

But even The Secret can't change something like gluten intolerance.

But here's the amazing thing - I CAN & I HAVE! No more gluten for me

- nope, not even tempted, because I want to get better more than

anything! I want my life back!

Sometimes things are greater than our thoughts. Death is indeed

greater than our thoughts.

God is more powerful than our thoughts. And I am not so arrogant to

assume that just because I want something that God automatically hears

me & gives it to me because I want it & because I " get it " . Perhaps

there may be something larger at play here that I have no ability to

understand.

Warmly,

>

> That is wonderful that you were able to accomplish this. But please

do not

> guilt us into believing that we can defy death and disease by our

thinking.

> I worked in a hospital for 13 years and watched people die,

including two of

> my family members. I do not believe my sister or father could have

stopped

> their cancer with their thoughts.

>

> I am happy you believe in this and it has worked for you but we are all

> different and thoughts can never defy the laws of nature which include

> disease and death. I have not given up on my condition but I do

accept that

> it exists and that there are not cures for everything. That is a fact,

> there are not cures for everything out there. I believe there are more

> cures than we know of a the moment, but not everything is curable just

> because you were healed. A baby born prematurely or with brain

damage etc,

> cannot use its thoughts to change its condition. There are things

that can

> be accomplished with positive thinking but not everything.

>

> -- Re: Personal issue - friends dropping like

flies?

>

> I knew that post would get feedback but I had no idea how much. It's

> impossible for me to respond to everyone that responded to the post so

> I will just say this:

>

> First of all, as background, I was raised in an argumentative angry

> environment and had very negative thinking most of my life. I learned

> to be very judgmental toward others and that I was never good enough.

> I blamed the rest of the world on my poor lot in life as I had been

> taught to do by my father. I do believe this has had a major impact

> on the fact that my body has been out of balance for many years.

>

> I know now that beliefs are everything. What we believe in, creates

> our reality. If we believe we cannot and will not get well, we are

> right. I also know now, from my intense study of nutrition and health

> that there is a cure for just about everything that ails us. Yes,

> even things you may think there is no cure for. It's just that big

> pharma and western medicine don't recognize it and we have been

> brainwashed into believing them.

>

> I started studying alternative health in 1999 as a result of the Y2K

> scare. And after I became ill in 2003, I started focusing completely

> on how to become healthy rather than dwelling on my illness. I did

> this primarily because no one could tell me what was really wrong with

> me. Along the way, I became aware that health encompasses 3 areas:

> body, mind and spirit. I focused primarily on body first because I

> couldn't think straight and needed to be able to think clearly before

> I could focus on the other two. After about 18 months of focusing on

> nutrition I had gotten to a point where I could finally work

> part-time. At that time, I also became a Certified Nutrition and

> Wellness Consultant.

>

> In December of 2005, I became angry and paced through my house yelling

> at " God " that I was sick and tired of being sick and tired and I asked

> him to please send me the answer. I didn't understand this at the

> time, but when we are passionate about something (and anger is

> passion) it manifests very quickly. Over the next few weeks, the

> teachings of the Law of Attraction began coming to me from every

> direction. It was so blatant in fact that I finally looked to the

> heavens and said: OK, I get it!

>

> So started my journey into the mind and spirit part of the equation.

> Since then I have learned a great deal and my life has changed for the

> better.

>

> As you can see, there are people here who haven't yet delved into the

> mind/spirit part of the equation. It's sometimes hard to grasp this

> when you are ill but if you read books about health, the good ones

> will always mention the mind and spirit part of the equation.

>

> For those of you who would like to learn more, Inga mentioned the

> movie The Secret. This is the single most important documentary

> that's been done on the subject and it has skyrocketed in popularity

> over the last year. In fact, the teachers on The Secret have been

> profiled on Larry King Live and were on the Oprah show about a week

> ago. And, Oprah said she has always known this information and used

> it to create her life but she just didn't know it was a secret! The

> things on this documentary are not just some kind of woo woo stuff.

> This is all backed up by science and some of the scientists are also

> in the movie to speak about this as well.

>

> Yes, there is now scientific proof that the mind plays a pivotal role

> in our health and our lives as a whole. If you watch the movie you

> will see people who suffered terrible health issues and recovered by

> using their minds. It will give you hope as well as a lot to think

> about. Maybe we can have a great discussion about The Secret movie.

>

> If you took offense at my post, well, it was not meant to offend, but

> instead, to help. It has obviously made many of you think and that's

> a good thing.

>

> You can purchase The Secret at http://www.thesecret.tv and I am not

> affiliated in any way. I watch this movie at least once a month. It

> helps me to stay focused and gives me great hope for my future. You

> can also view it online one time but I was never able to get that to

work.

>

> Ginger

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My grandmother had diabetes for example, but none of her four children

nor her grandchildren (now in their 40's) developed it. Just because

it was in their genes, doesn't mean that it will manifest.

Maybe it's simpler than that.

Maybe they didn't inherit that genetic material. That's why it hasn't

manifested.

[Guest guest]

:

I used to believe it was all in our heads. I used to be a long-distance

swimmer, tennis player, hiker, camper, aerobics 5 times a week, biking and

walking many miles, the picture of health. That all collapsed when I got

Lyme. And it was not diagnosed for years so when it gets to late stage

there is no way to undo damage.

It was then that I realized that there really are sick people who CANNOT

HELP IT! They did nothing to get childhood cancer (as my sister did) my

father did not create the asbestos that he inhaled while working which

contributed to his cancer but he was denied there was a connection, etc.

I do realize there are many people who neglect their heath as well. My

brother never excercises and smokes like a chimney yet he remains in good

health.

I do agree we contribute in some cases but there are just as many cases

where we are unknowingly contaminated (floride, benzene, mercury) or just

plain unlucky with genes/DNA defects.

So it was a very rude awakening for me to become ill and incapacitated.

-- Re: Personal issue - friends dropping like

flies?

>

> I knew that post would get feedback but I had no idea how much. It's

> impossible for me to respond to everyone that responded to the post so

> I will just say this:

>

> First of all, as background, I was raised in an argumentative angry

> environment and had very negative thinking most of my life. I learned

> to be very judgmental toward others and that I was never good enough.

> I blamed the rest of the world on my poor lot in life as I had been

> taught to do by my father. I do believe this has had a major impact

> on the fact that my body has been out of balance for many years.

>

> I know now that beliefs are everything. What we believe in, creates

> our reality. If we believe we cannot and will not get well, we are

> right. I also know now, from my intense study of nutrition and health

> that there is a cure for just about everything that ails us. Yes,

> even things you may think there is no cure for. It's just that big

> pharma and western medicine don't recognize it and we have been

> brainwashed into believing them.

>

> I started studying alternative health in 1999 as a result of the Y2K

> scare. And after I became ill in 2003, I started focusing completely

> on how to become healthy rather than dwelling on my illness. I did

> this primarily because no one could tell me what was really wrong with

> me. Along the way, I became aware that health encompasses 3 areas:

> body, mind and spirit. I focused primarily on body first because I

> couldn't think straight and needed to be able to think clearly before

> I could focus on the other two. After about 18 months of focusing on

> nutrition I had gotten to a point where I could finally work

> part-time. At that time, I also became a Certified Nutrition and

> Wellness Consultant.

>

> In December of 2005, I became angry and paced through my house yelling

> at " God " that I was sick and tired of being sick and tired and I asked

> him to please send me the answer. I didn't understand this at the

> time, but when we are passionate about something (and anger is

> passion) it manifests very quickly. Over the next few weeks, the

> teachings of the Law of Attraction began coming to me from every

> direction. It was so blatant in fact that I finally looked to the

> heavens and said: OK, I get it!

>

> So started my journey into the mind and spirit part of the equation.

> Since then I have learned a great deal and my life has changed for the

> better.

>

> As you can see, there are people here who haven't yet delved into the

> mind/spirit part of the equation. It's sometimes hard to grasp this

> when you are ill but if you read books about health, the good ones

> will always mention the mind and spirit part of the equation.

>

> For those of you who would like to learn more, Inga mentioned the

> movie The Secret. This is the single most important documentary

> that's been done on the subject and it has skyrocketed in popularity

> over the last year. In fact, the teachers on The Secret have been

> profiled on Larry King Live and were on the Oprah show about a week

> ago. And, Oprah said she has always known this information and used

> it to create her life but she just didn't know it was a secret! The

> things on this documentary are not just some kind of woo woo stuff.

> This is all backed up by science and some of the scientists are also

> in the movie to speak about this as well.

>

> Yes, there is now scientific proof that the mind plays a pivotal role

> in our health and our lives as a whole. If you watch the movie you

> will see people who suffered terrible health issues and recovered by

> using their minds. It will give you hope as well as a lot to think

> about. Maybe we can have a great discussion about The Secret movie.

>

> If you took offense at my post, well, it was not meant to offend, but

> instead, to help. It has obviously made many of you think and that's

> a good thing.

>

> You can purchase The Secret at http://www.thesecret.tv and I am not

> affiliated in any way. I watch this movie at least once a month. It

> helps me to stay focused and gives me great hope for my future. You

> can also view it online one time but I was never able to get that to

work.

>

> Ginger

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

diabetes skips a generation or two..........................

-- Re: Personal issue - friends dropping like flies?

My grandmother had diabetes for example, but none of her four children

nor her grandchildren (now in their 40's) developed it. Just because

it was in their genes, doesn't mean that it will manifest.

Maybe it's simpler than that.

Maybe they didn't inherit that genetic material. That's why it hasn't

manifested.

[Guest guest]

diabetes skips a generation or two..........................

-- Re: Personal issue - friends dropping like flies?

My grandmother had diabetes for example, but none of her four children

nor her grandchildren (now in their 40's) developed it. Just because

it was in their genes, doesn't mean that it will manifest.

Maybe it's simpler than that.

Maybe they didn't inherit that genetic material. That's why it hasn't

manifested.

[Guest guest]

diabetes skips a generation or two..........................

-- Re: Personal issue - friends dropping like flies?

My grandmother had diabetes for example, but none of her four children

nor her grandchildren (now in their 40's) developed it. Just because

it was in their genes, doesn't mean that it will manifest.

Maybe it's simpler than that.

Maybe they didn't inherit that genetic material. That's why it hasn't

manifested.

[Guest guest]

I agree, Lynda, because if I knew that the cascade of physical

problems that occurred in my life would have brought me to this point,

I would have addressed them years ago, when they first started being a

problem.

The drs should have, but I guess they didn't know what they were doing.

I WOULD NOT have set myself up for this. Especially if all it took

was some progesterone cream or iodine.

>

>

>

> and I quote your original words back to you " if we don't set ourselves

> up to be sick to begin with. "

>

> Now you may say " if I had not set myself up to begin with " Just

> don't say WE - you are being judgemental and patronizing.

>

> Lynda

>

> Re: Personal issue - friends dropping like

> flies?

>

>

> > Lynda,

> >

> > I'm not saying we can change out " genetic predisposition " , but I

> > believe that when we have a breakdown or imbalance of mental,

> > spiritual, physical, that we are more likely to get what we are

> > genetically predisposed to.

>

[Guest guest]

Right.

For years I tried to " positive think " myself out of what started as

low-grade depression & eventually increased to full-scale depression.

Couldn't figure out why I kept going in the downward spiral, because I

was trying so damn hard.

Until I started thyroid meds. Then I understood it perfectly.

Because as soon as I got to a reasonable dose, I was no longer

negative or depressed.

So, obviously, it wasn't in my head, and all of the positive thinking

& therapy & this & that didn't work, because I needed thyroid hormone.

Plain & simple.

I think that it's great that everyone here shares their different

thoughts & philosophies, but to assume that the " we create our own

illness " model works for everyone in every situation is foolhardy.

Warmly,

> >

> > That is wonderful that you were able to accomplish this. But please

> do not

> > guilt us into believing that we can defy death and disease by our

> thinking.

> > I worked in a hospital for 13 years and watched people die,

> including two of

> > my family members. I do not believe my sister or father could have

> stopped

> > their cancer with their thoughts.

> >

> > I am happy you believe in this and it has worked for you but we

are all

> > different and thoughts can never defy the laws of nature which include

> > disease and death. I have not given up on my condition but I do

> accept that

> > it exists and that there are not cures for everything. That is a fact,

> > there are not cures for everything out there. I believe there are more

> > cures than we know of a the moment, but not everything is curable just

> > because you were healed. A baby born prematurely or with brain

> damage etc,

> > cannot use its thoughts to change its condition. There are things

> that can

> > be accomplished with positive thinking but not everything.

> >

> > -- Re: Personal issue - friends dropping like

> flies?

> >

> > I knew that post would get feedback but I had no idea how much. It's

> > impossible for me to respond to everyone that responded to the post so

> > I will just say this:

> >

> > First of all, as background, I was raised in an argumentative angry

> > environment and had very negative thinking most of my life. I learned

> > to be very judgmental toward others and that I was never good enough.

> > I blamed the rest of the world on my poor lot in life as I had been

> > taught to do by my father. I do believe this has had a major impact

> > on the fact that my body has been out of balance for many years.

> >

> > I know now that beliefs are everything. What we believe in, creates

> > our reality. If we believe we cannot and will not get well, we are

> > right. I also know now, from my intense study of nutrition and health

> > that there is a cure for just about everything that ails us. Yes,

> > even things you may think there is no cure for. It's just that big

> > pharma and western medicine don't recognize it and we have been

> > brainwashed into believing them.

> >

> > I started studying alternative health in 1999 as a result of the Y2K

> > scare. And after I became ill in 2003, I started focusing completely

> > on how to become healthy rather than dwelling on my illness. I did

> > this primarily because no one could tell me what was really wrong with

> > me. Along the way, I became aware that health encompasses 3 areas:

> > body, mind and spirit. I focused primarily on body first because I

> > couldn't think straight and needed to be able to think clearly before

> > I could focus on the other two. After about 18 months of focusing on

> > nutrition I had gotten to a point where I could finally work

> > part-time. At that time, I also became a Certified Nutrition and

> > Wellness Consultant.

> >

> > In December of 2005, I became angry and paced through my house yelling

> > at " God " that I was sick and tired of being sick and tired and I asked

> > him to please send me the answer. I didn't understand this at the

> > time, but when we are passionate about something (and anger is

> > passion) it manifests very quickly. Over the next few weeks, the

> > teachings of the Law of Attraction began coming to me from every

> > direction. It was so blatant in fact that I finally looked to the

> > heavens and said: OK, I get it!

> >

> > So started my journey into the mind and spirit part of the equation.

> > Since then I have learned a great deal and my life has changed for the

> > better.

> >

> > As you can see, there are people here who haven't yet delved into the

> > mind/spirit part of the equation. It's sometimes hard to grasp this

> > when you are ill but if you read books about health, the good ones

> > will always mention the mind and spirit part of the equation.

> >

> > For those of you who would like to learn more, Inga mentioned the

> > movie The Secret. This is the single most important documentary

> > that's been done on the subject and it has skyrocketed in popularity

> > over the last year. In fact, the teachers on The Secret have been

> > profiled on Larry King Live and were on the Oprah show about a week

> > ago. And, Oprah said she has always known this information and used

> > it to create her life but she just didn't know it was a secret! The

> > things on this documentary are not just some kind of woo woo stuff.

> > This is all backed up by science and some of the scientists are also

> > in the movie to speak about this as well.

> >

> > Yes, there is now scientific proof that the mind plays a pivotal role

> > in our health and our lives as a whole. If you watch the movie you

> > will see people who suffered terrible health issues and recovered by

> > using their minds. It will give you hope as well as a lot to think

> > about. Maybe we can have a great discussion about The Secret movie.

> >

> > If you took offense at my post, well, it was not meant to offend, but

> > instead, to help. It has obviously made many of you think and that's

> > a good thing.

> >

> > You can purchase The Secret at http://www.thesecret.tv and I am not

> > affiliated in any way. I watch this movie at least once a month. It

> > helps me to stay focused and gives me great hope for my future. You

> > can also view it online one time but I was never able to get that to

> work.

> >

> > Ginger

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Yes, I tried Prozac, Zoloft, etc, and did not improve much. However, since

I started Armour, I have not been depressed again, tho I now have more

reason to be, lol!

-- Re: Personal issue - friends dropping like

> flies?

> >

> > I knew that post would get feedback but I had no idea how much. It's

> > impossible for me to respond to everyone that responded to the post so

> > I will just say this:

> >

> > First of all, as background, I was raised in an argumentative angry

> > environment and had very negative thinking most of my life. I learned

> > to be very judgmental toward others and that I was never good enough.

> > I blamed the rest of the world on my poor lot in life as I had been

> > taught to do by my father. I do believe this has had a major impact

> > on the fact that my body has been out of balance for many years.

> >

> > I know now that beliefs are everything. What we believe in, creates

> > our reality. If we believe we cannot and will not get well, we are

> > right. I also know now, from my intense study of nutrition and health

> > that there is a cure for just about everything that ails us. Yes,

> > even things you may think there is no cure for. It's just that big

> > pharma and western medicine don't recognize it and we have been

> > brainwashed into believing them.

> >

> > I started studying alternative health in 1999 as a result of the Y2K

> > scare. And after I became ill in 2003, I started focusing completely

> > on how to become healthy rather than dwelling on my illness. I did

> > this primarily because no one could tell me what was really wrong with

> > me. Along the way, I became aware that health encompasses 3 areas:

> > body, mind and spirit. I focused primarily on body first because I

> > couldn't think straight and needed to be able to think clearly before

> > I could focus on the other two. After about 18 months of focusing on

> > nutrition I had gotten to a point where I could finally work

> > part-time. At that time, I also became a Certified Nutrition and

> > Wellness Consultant.

> >

> > In December of 2005, I became angry and paced through my house yelling

> > at " God " that I was sick and tired of being sick and tired and I asked

> > him to please send me the answer. I didn't understand this at the

> > time, but when we are passionate about something (and anger is

> > passion) it manifests very quickly. Over the next few weeks, the

> > teachings of the Law of Attraction began coming to me from every

> > direction. It was so blatant in fact that I finally looked to the

> > heavens and said: OK, I get it!

> >

> > So started my journey into the mind and spirit part of the equation.

> > Since then I have learned a great deal and my life has changed for the

> > better.

> >

> > As you can see, there are people here who haven't yet delved into the

> > mind/spirit part of the equation. It's sometimes hard to grasp this

> > when you are ill but if you read books about health, the good ones

> > will always mention the mind and spirit part of the equation.

> >

> > For those of you who would like to learn more, Inga mentioned the

> > movie The Secret. This is the single most important documentary

> > that's been done on the subject and it has skyrocketed in popularity

> > over the last year. In fact, the teachers on The Secret have been

> > profiled on Larry King Live and were on the Oprah show about a week

> > ago. And, Oprah said she has always known this information and used

> > it to create her life but she just didn't know it was a secret! The

> > things on this documentary are not just some kind of woo woo stuff.

> > This is all backed up by science and some of the scientists are also

> > in the movie to speak about this as well.

> >

> > Yes, there is now scientific proof that the mind plays a pivotal role

> > in our health and our lives as a whole. If you watch the movie you

> > will see people who suffered terrible health issues and recovered by

> > using their minds. It will give you hope as well as a lot to think

> > about. Maybe we can have a great discussion about The Secret movie.

> >

> > If you took offense at my post, well, it was not meant to offend, but

> > instead, to help. It has obviously made many of you think and that's

> > a good thing.

> >

> > You can purchase The Secret at http://www.thesecret.tv and I am not

> > affiliated in any way. I watch this movie at least once a month. It

> > helps me to stay focused and gives me great hope for my future. You

> > can also view it online one time but I was never able to get that to

> work.

> >

> > Ginger

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

>

>

>

> In a message dated 24/02/2007 20:35:12 GMT Standard Time,

> AngInfoHound@... writes:

>

> God is more powerful than our thoughts. And I am not so arrogant to

> assume that just because I want something that God automatically hears

> me & gives it to me because I want it & because I " get it " . Perhaps

> there may be something larger at play here that I have no ability to

> understand.

>

>

>

> What I would see as the larger thing at play is that perhaps God is

not

> something 'outside', someone who may or may not hear us and give us

what we want.

> Perhaps we are God and God is us and we are powerful beyond our

wildest

> dreams?

>

I agree totally that God is within us & that we are a part of God, not

some guy with a white beard behind the pearly gates.

But I don't think that I am the " whole " God. And sometimes our

" wants " may not be a part of the bigger scheme. That's probably a

good thing.

Powerful beyond our wildest dreams...we probably are & just need to

start to believe it. And even then, I think that sometimes we are

given something to deal with that we just don't want. For reasons

that we can't/don't understand, and for reasons that may have nothing

to do with us. (And just to be clear, I'm not even referring to my

illness here...I've seen lots of purpose in that already, even if

there is none!)

Warmly,