Re: Elaine Gottschall and her Specific Carbohydrate Diet (SCD) +more

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Thanks Holly and others for your faith in LEAP. Of course, having worked

with or become aware of 1000's of happy LEAP clients via my own work or via

other LEAP therapists, I'm just a bit biased.

Truly, dealing with clients with " GI issues " is multifactorial. Below is

a good post I had saved " in my files " regarding the SCD and FODMAPS diet. I

think it was probably written by Patsy Catsos, who wrote a book on FODMAPS

diet.

Do people get better on the SCD? Yes, because they are reducing fermentible

carbs, AND a lot of wheat and gluten and other foods. Is it currently the

most scientific method? Probably not.

Does FODMAPS diet help. Yes, and I think more accurately than the SCD.

(JADA has some articles on FODMAPS in recent journals or google Patsy Catsos.)

But, we have to ask the question, WHY are people becoming so intolerant

to various carbs?

Answer: Multiple. Food poisoning. Small Intestinal Bacterial Overgrowth

(SIBO), candida infections, parasites, gluten intolerance, celiac disease,

all the chemicals, pesticides, medications, antibiotics, plastics, food

colors, additives we've been consuming now that we generally rarely consumed

50+

years ago. Our body hasn't learned how to handle these - maybe increased

gut permeability, partly caused by vitamin D deficiency because too many

people never spend time in the sun, and when they do, they cover themselves in

sunscreen. (I don't get why God created us, created the sun, but didn't

give us natural sunscreen, unless there was something very good for us

regarding sunlight. . . but I digress.)

LEAP is ONE great piece of this entire puzzle. Find out inflammatory

foods, reduce reactive carbs if carb intolerant, add digestive enzymes if

needed, rule out histamine intolerance or need for diamine oxidase, figure out

if you client's not tolerating certain carbs due to lactose intolerance. Take

meds for the SIBO, modify diet as needed but get the gut back to where it

works properly.

Ideally, we should be able to eat ALL " healthy/whole/organic/real " foods.

But, for some, something got messed up in the gut, and there's not just one

solution, but SCD is truly based on older info. We do have better options

now.

(LEAP therapists love our work/study because we eventually learn a lot

about all of the above.)

Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

Director of Medical Nutrition

Signet Diagnostic Corp.

Telecommuting Nationwide

(Mountain Time)

Fax:

DineRight4@...

Certified LEAP Therapist and specialist in food sensitivity for IBS,

migraine, fibromyalgia and multiple inflammatory conditions. Co-author of the

Certified LEAP Therapist (CLT) Training Course.

FROM A POST on another Listserv about SCD vs FODMAPS

_http://www.healthsystem.virginia.edu/internet/digestive-health/nutrition/ba

rrettarticle.pdf_

(http://www.healthsystem.virginia.edu/internet/digestive-health/nutrition/barret\

tarticle.pdf)

Great FODMAPs article - may be caused by SIBO too

I wrote a post on my blog comparing the SCD and the FODMAPS elimination

diets, and I’ve copied it here for those who would like to learn more:

The Specific Carbohydrate Diet (SCD) is a very popular diet developed many

years ago by Elaine Gottschall to help people suffering from a variety of

GI complaints manage their illnesses by controlling the types of

carbohydrates in their diet. Sound familiar?

I will not attempt to explain the SCD; the rest of this posting assumes

that you are familiar with the basics of the SCD. For more SCD information,

click here. I'd like to highlight just a few similarities and differences

between the SCD and the FODMAPS elimination diet.

The main similarity is the underlying principle that malabsorbed

carbohydrates are fermented by colonic microbes, and that symptoms result.

The differences, I believe, are due to changes in our understanding of

sugar absorption and malabsorption, and to advances in food technology that had

not taken place at the time Ms. Gotschall wrote her book.

One significant difference between the two diets regards the now better

understood role of fructose intolerance as a cause of GI symptoms. The SCD

relies heavily on honey as a sweetener. Honey has a lot of excess fructose,

and is not allowed on the FODMAPS elimination diet. Apples, which also

contain a lot of fructose, are allowed on the SCD but not on the FODMAPS

elimination diet. On the other hand, granulated sugar is allowed on the FODMAPS

diet but not on the SCD.

On the SCD, well fermented yogurt and certain cheeses were the only milk

products allowed. With the availability of lactose-free milk on the market,

the FODMAPS elimination diet does allow consumption of fluid milk, and

products made with lactose-free fluid milk.

An important philosophical difference I will point out regards adherence to

the diet. Dr. Gottschall was convinced that only absolute adherence to the

diet over an extended period of time could restore the individual to

health. She did not encourage experimentation or variation from the SCD dietary

principles. With the FODMAPS elimination protocol, on the other hand,

experimentation and food challenges are encouraged after the initial

elimination

phase; " problem foods " can be consumed in moderation. The aim of the

FODMAPS elimination diet is limiting IBS symptoms to a tolerable level,

selected

by the client. Perhaps this is not as ambitious as the cures to which Dr.

Gottschall aspired. It seems there is a place for both of these approaches,

depending on the needs and medical condition of the individual.

3b. Re: Elaine Gottschall and her Specific Carbohydrate Diet

Posted by: " hl brewer " hlbrewer@... hlbrewer

Date: Wed Mar 9, 2011 5:47 am ((PST))

Very limited; no wheat (so if someone with " IBD " happens to have celiac,

it

" works " ). No sugar (except for what is found in some fruit and in the

homemade

yogurt).

I have a handout created for a possible research study that I will try to

upload

to the group.

Only very subjective results. Probably coincidental as so many possible

offending foods are removed from the diet (better to get specific results

from

LEAP).

Holly----------

Holly Lee Brewer, MS RD CDE

Pediatric Dietitian, Diabetes Educator

Medical Nutrition Therapist, Las Vegas, NV

Maj Holly Brewer, USAFR BSC http://hollyinbalad.blogspot.com

301st MDS, NAS JRB Fort Worth (Carswell), TX

Joint Base Balad, Iraq (Jan-Jul 2009)

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3e. Re: Elaine Gottschall and her Specific Carbohydrate Diet

Posted by: " Vajda " jennyvajda@...

jennyvajda@...

Date: Wed Mar 9, 2011 1:24 pm ((PST))

Does look like a higgley piggley mixture of restrictions that could help

the

person whose sensitivities just happened to match. LEAP testing would be

better

for accuracy. The exclusion of all processed foods due to the exclusion of

many

standard ingredients is probably the main benefit to this odd mixture of

restrictions. They aren't the least allergy prone foods; the carb foods

left in

don't make a lot of sense compared to the carb foods that were excluded.

It

worked for her child and probably would help people but - very difficult

-

worse than the restrictions I used through trial & error and massive

amounts of

label reading during the worst of my migraine phase.

The " Eat Right 4 Your Blood Type " diet books are a little odd but after my

initial rxn of 'whacky', I found that my blood type lists did match a bit

with

foods I already knew I was sensitive too (eggplant, dairy). We are made of

chemicals and food is chemicals and so after thinking about it I realized

it

made sense that the different blood types would react differently. Cow's

milk

protein antigen is the same as the B blood type antigen - Everyone except

B

blood types are going to have some protein coagulation with dairy products

- ie

congestion is most obvious symptom. Within an hour of eating dairy

products I am

congested. B blood type is very prevalent in India where dairy products

are a

major food group.

I didn't know there was a file section to this group- cool.

R Vajda, R.D.

(906) 458-8595

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To: rd-usa

Sent: Wed, March 9, 2011 9:08:13 AM

Subject: Re: Elaine Gottschall and her Specific Carbohydrate Diet

Thanks and especially your download Holly - really appreciate it!!!

>

>

> It is a diet restricting specific carbohydrate foodsâ€â€often the same

> ones restricted in a gluten-free dietâ€â€recommended for autism. Again,

no

> research that supports it, just testimonials.

> Ro

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> From: Ortiz

> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 8:21 AM

> To: RD-USA

> Subject: Elaine Gottschall and her Specific Carbohydrate Diet

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> A friend asked me about this diet: Specific Carbohydrate Diet. I have

> never heard of it - any opinions?

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