Guest guest Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 Two out of three adult Americans are at greater risk for getting cancer<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/diseases-illnesses/cancer-HEDAI000001\ 0.topic>— and for dying<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/physical-conditions/death-14023000.top\ ic>of it — than they need to be. Not because of smog in their air or radon in their basements. Not because of tobacco in their cigarettes<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/behavioral-conditions/tobacco-add\ iction-HEBEC000018.topic>or mutations in their genes<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/human-body/genes-chromosomes-HHA000024\ ..topic> .. No, the particular cancer risk shared by these 150 million or so Americans comes from having too many calories in their diet and too little exercise in their daily lives. In other words, from being overweight<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/physical-conditions/overweight-HE\ DAI0000052.topic> .. Surprised? It's widely known that simply being overweight, let alone obese, dramatically increases the risk for high blood pressure<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/physical-conditions/high-blood-pres\ sure-HEPHC0000023.topic>, heart attacks<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/physical-conditions/heart-attack-HEI\ SY000062.topic>, strokes and diabetes<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/diseases-illnesses/diabetes-HEDAI00\ 00022.topic>. But according to a 2009 survey by the American Institute for Cancer Research, only about 50% of Americans know that size also matters when it comes to cancer. The risk is not trivial. The same institute estimates that every year about 100,000 Americans get a cancer they wouldn't have gotten if they had kept their weight in check. And researchers have estimated that about 14% of cancer deaths in men and 20% in women could be avoided by this same restraint. Obesity<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/physical-conditions/obesity-HEDAI000\ 0057.topic>can raise the risk for a number of major cancers — colon <http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/human-body/colon-HHA000086.topic>, postmenopausal breast<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/human-body/breast-HHA00009.topic>, endometrial, kidney and esophageal<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/human-body/throat-HHA000058.topic\ >— the National Cancer Institute says, and when paired with physical inactivity, it can be held liable for 25% to 30% of cases of those cancers. Obesity has also been linked to a number of other cancers, including liver<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/human-body/liver-HHA000065.topic>, gallbladder<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/human-body/gallbladder-HHA000088\ ..topic>, pancreatic and ovarian. " Obesity is almost like the new smoking, " says Dr. Anne McTiernan, director of the Prevention Center at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle. " The effect isn't as big for most cancers, but it's so prevalent that it will have a huge impact. " Indeed, the National Cancer Institute estimates that smoking accounts for 37.5% cancer deaths in men and 22.8% in women. But smoking does most of its dirty work in lung cancer<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/diseases-illnesses/lung-cancer-HEDAI0\ 000027.topic>victims. When lung cancer is taken out of the picture, smoking can only be blamed for 12% of cancer deaths in men and 6% in women — fewer than can be chalked up to excess pounds. No one knows for sure exactly how weight increases cancer risk, but it's likely that it does so in multiple ways, with the precise mechanism differing from cancer to cancer. High levels of estrogen<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/human-body/estrogen-HHA000099.topic\ >, insulin and inflammatory compounds are among the suspects that have been implicated in research to date. A more precise understanding of the biology behind all this may someday lead to drugs that can mitigate the damage. In the meantime, of course, there's an excellent way to avoid the obesity risk, and that's to never become obese at all. That would require major lifestyle changes for many of us, and making such changes is exceedingly hard, says Dr. Glaspy, an oncologist<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/medical-specialization/oncology-H\ EMSP00007.topic>at UCLA<http://www.latimes.com/topic/education/colleges-universities/university-of-\ california-los-angeles-OREDU0000192268.topic>'s Jonsson Comprehensive Cancer Center. " Sure, we could make it a death penalty offense to sell sugared drinks, " he says. But short of such extreme modes of encouragement, a widespread thinning of America is not to be expected anytime soon. Not only is there strong evidence that if you're overweight, you're more likely to die of cancer. It's also been shown that the more overweight you are, the more deadly the trend gets, according to a landmark study published in the New England Journal of Medicine in 2003. Scientists at the American Cancer Society in Atlanta looked at cancer death rates for men and women in five weight categories: healthy (body mass index<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/body-mass-index-HEISY000072.topic>of 18.5 to 24.9); overweight (BMI, 25 to 29.9); and three levels beyond: " obese " (BMI, 30 to 34.9), " very obese " (BMI, 35 to 39.9) and " very, very obese " (BMI, 40 or more). Compared with death rates for men and women of healthy weight, death rates from all cancers lumped together as a group rose consistently along with BMI: Rates were 52% higher for very, very obese men and 62% higher for very, very obese women. But weight doesn't affect all cancers equally. For some cancers the researchers examined, such as bladder<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/human-body/bladder-HHA000071.topic>c\ ancer, weight had no significant effect on the death rate. At the other extreme, the death rate from liver cancer<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/diseases-illnesses/liver-cancer-HEDAI\ 0000055.topic>was 350% higher for very obese men than for men of healthy weight (though only 68% higher for very obese women than for women of healthy weight). And the death rate from uterine (endometrial) cancer was 525% higher for very, very obese women than for women of healthy weight. How do those numbers stack up against other risks? Infection with the hepatitis C<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/physical-conditions/hepatitis-HEPHC0000041\ ..topic> virus<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/diseases-illnesses/viral-diseases-infe\ ctions-HEDAI0000071.topic>increases the death rate for liver cancer by 1,600%, which makes the 350% increase from obesity sound pretty measly. But only about 1.5% of Americans have a chronic hepatitis C virus infection, whereas about 30% are obese, notes Karin, distinguished professor of pharmacology and pathology at UC<http://www.latimes.com/topic/education/colleges-universities/university-of-ca\ lifornia-OREDU0000192.topic>San Diego. " So the overall contribution to liver cancer deaths from obesity far exceeds what hepatitis C infection does, " Karin says. In other words, even when obesity is responsible for a fairly small increase in the death rate for any particular cancer, it can affect many lives simply because so many people are obese. The only sure way to avoid raising your cancer risk from hefting extra pounds is to maintain a healthy weight from the day you're born, says Dr. Dimitrios Trichopoulos, professor of cancer prevention and epidemiology at the Harvard School of Public Health. " The roots of cancer are early in life, and overweight children frequently become overweight adults, " he says. Unfortunately, for two-thirds of adult Americans, that ship has already sailed — and is often pretty far out of port. Logic suggests that losing weight<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/physical-conditions/weight-loss-HEPHC\ 0000055.topic>— or at the very least not gaining any more — should help those people. Oncologists and weight experts alike consider that a wise move because of the overall health benefits it can provide. But there's insufficient evidence to say for sure that holding the line on weight gain or even dropping some pounds once you're an adult will necessarily lower cancer risk. And conducting randomized clinical trials — the gold standard — to establish this connection would be very difficult and very expensive. Still, there are positive indications. In some population studies, those who gained weight after a cancer diagnosis were more likely to die or to have a recurrence of the cancer than were those who did not gain weight. And in a 2009 study, researchers found that women who had bariatric surgery — so-called stomach stapling — not only reduced their size significantly but also reduced the size of their cancer risk by 40%. On the other hand, men who had the same surgery lost weight, but their cancer risk stayed put. A clinical trial examining the effects of a low-fat diet<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/diets-dieting/low-fat-diet-HEDI000010.t\ opic>on breast cancer<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/diseases-illnesses/breast-cancer-HEDA\ I0000012.topic>risk may cast an indirect light on the effects of weight loss. In the Women's Intervention Nutrition Study, published in 2006, researchers found that when fat intake was dropped from 30% to 20% of total daily calorie consumption for women who had previously been treated for breast cancer, the risk of a recurrence of the cancer dropped too, by about 25% after five years of follow-up. Perhaps significantly, over the same period, the women on the low-fat diet lost an average of 6 pounds compared with those on their regular diet. " If the trial were testing a drug instead of a diet, we would call it a very effective drug, " says Dr. ph Sparano, professor of medicine and women's health<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/womens-health-HEPHC0000037.topic>at Albert Einstein<http://www.latimes.com/topic/science-technology/albert-einstein-PECLB00\ 1542.topic>College of Medicine and an oncologist at Montefiore Medical Center in Bronx<http://www.latimes.com/topic/us/new-york/new-york-city/bronx-%28new-york-c\ ity%29-PLGEO100100801010000.topic>, N.Y. As scientists discover more about the ways that body fat acts to raise someone's cancer risk, a day may come when people can simply pop a pill to reduce that risk. Until then, their only real option is to be leaner, meaner cancer-fighting machines. Can they do it? Some, pointing to the miserable diet-study statistics — and evolutionary biology — have their doubts. " We're living in a world where fattening foods are cheap and easy to come by — but our brains evolved in a world where getting enough calories could be a tricky proposition, so if you could get your hands<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/human-body/hands-HHA000026.topic>on a big glob of fat, you'd better eat it, " UCLA's Glaspy says. But others believe that cancer brings something special to the table. " It's a big motivator, " says Klemp, associate director of the Breast Cancer Survivorship Center at the University of Kansas Medical Center in Westwood. " People are really scared of cancer. " http://www.latimes.com/health/la-he-cancer-obesity-20110307,0,2785774.story?page\ =1 -- Ortiz, MS, RD *The FRUGAL Dietitian* <http://www.thefrugaldietitian.com> Check out my blog: mixture of deals and nutrition New Giveaway: The Everything Mediterranean Diet Book: All you need to lose weight and stay healthy! Ends:3/9 @ Noon<http://thefrugaldietitian.com/?p=16061>Made my own " funny but real " movie: Me interviewing a " potential " Dietetic student < *Healthy Diet at any Age: We are NOT just looking * *at the years people have behind them but also the * *quality of the years ahead of them.* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 Magnesium helps make white blood cells that are mature. WBC's fight cancer. Magnesium deficiency causes increased insulin and appetite and reduced cancer and infection fighting abilities. My brother in law who thinks I'm a fruit cake did start magnesium after getting disgusted enough with his weight gain to listen to me and I heard he has lost 40 pounds since December. A female patient in her twenties has lost fifteen after starting 400 mg magnesium last month on my recommendation, she had already started a sea weed supplement on her own but wasn't seeing results on the scale. My unpaid college student assistant has lost 60 pounds since starting Iodoral in September and magnesium (he would count as morbidly obese the other two probably just made it into the obese BMI or maybe high end overwt). His mother is hypothyroid and he had a weight problem all his life. When given the nutrients it needs the appetite becomes satiated. It is a wonderful feeling to be fully satisfied. Food is a blessing, it doesn't need to be a battle. I recommend being well nourished; it feels good and frees the mind to think about other things than the next scheduled snack or meal. This article has a very pessimistic tone - obesity needn't be a death sentence or a life sentence. R Vajda, R.D. www.GingerJens.com ________________________________ To: RD-USA <rd-usa > Sent: Mon, March 7, 2011 8:41:36 PM Subject: Obesity: 'Like the new smoking' Two out of three adult Americans are at greater risk for getting cancer<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/diseases-illnesses/cancer-HEDAI000001\ 0.topic>— and for dying<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/physical-conditions/death-14023000.top\ ic>of it — than they need to be. Not because of smog in their air or radon in their basements. Not because of tobacco in their cigarettes<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/behavioral-conditions/tobacco-add\ iction-HEBEC000018.topic>or mutations in their genes<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/human-body/genes-chromosomes-HHA000024\ ..topic> .. No, the particular cancer risk shared by these 150 million or so Americans comes from having too many calories in their diet and too little exercise in their daily lives. In other words, from being overweight<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/physical-conditions/overweight-HE\ DAI0000052.topic> .. Surprised? It's widely known that simply being overweight, let alone obese, dramatically increases the risk for high blood pressure<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/physical-conditions/high-blood-pres\ sure-HEPHC0000023.topic>, heart attacks<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/physical-conditions/heart-attack-HEI\ SY000062.topic>, strokes and diabetes<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/diseases-illnesses/diabetes-HEDAI00\ 00022.topic>. But according to a 2009 survey by the American Institute for Cancer Research, only about 50% of Americans know that size also matters when it comes to cancer. The risk is not trivial. The same institute estimates that every year about 100,000 Americans get a cancer they wouldn't have gotten if they had kept their weight in check. And researchers have estimated that about 14% of cancer deaths in men and 20% in women could be avoided by this same restraint. Obesity<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/physical-conditions/obesity-HEDAI000\ 0057.topic>can raise the risk for a number of major cancers — colon <http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/human-body/colon-HHA000086.topic>, postmenopausal breast<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/human-body/breast-HHA00009.topic>, endometrial, kidney and esophageal<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/human-body/throat-HHA000058.topic\ >— the National Cancer Institute says, and when paired with physical inactivity, it can be held liable for 25% to 30% of cases of those cancers. Obesity has also been linked to a number of other cancers, including liver<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/human-body/liver-HHA000065.topic>, gallbladder<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/human-body/gallbladder-HHA000088\ ..topic>, pancreatic and ovarian. " Obesity is almost like the new smoking, " says Dr. Anne McTiernan, director of the Prevention Center at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle. " The effect isn't as big for most cancers, but it's so prevalent that it will have a huge impact. " Indeed, the National Cancer Institute estimates that smoking accounts for 37.5% cancer deaths in men and 22.8% in women. But smoking does most of its dirty work in lung cancer<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/diseases-illnesses/lung-cancer-HEDAI0\ 000027.topic>victims. When lung cancer is taken out of the picture, smoking can only be blamed for 12% of cancer deaths in men and 6% in women — fewer than can be chalked up to excess pounds. No one knows for sure exactly how weight increases cancer risk, but it's likely that it does so in multiple ways, with the precise mechanism differing from cancer to cancer. High levels of estrogen<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/human-body/estrogen-HHA000099.topic\ >, insulin and inflammatory compounds are among the suspects that have been implicated in research to date. A more precise understanding of the biology behind all this may someday lead to drugs that can mitigate the damage. In the meantime, of course, there's an excellent way to avoid the obesity risk, and that's to never become obese at all. That would require major lifestyle changes for many of us, and making such changes is exceedingly hard, says Dr. Glaspy, an oncologist<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/medical-specialization/oncology-H\ EMSP00007.topic>at UCLA<http://www.latimes.com/topic/education/colleges-universities/university-of-\ california-los-angeles-OREDU0000192268.topic>'s Jonsson Comprehensive Cancer Center. " Sure, we could make it a death penalty offense to sell sugared drinks, " he says. But short of such extreme modes of encouragement, a widespread thinning of America is not to be expected anytime soon. Not only is there strong evidence that if you're overweight, you're more likely to die of cancer. It's also been shown that the more overweight you are, the more deadly the trend gets, according to a landmark study published in the New England Journal of Medicine in 2003. Scientists at the American Cancer Society in Atlanta looked at cancer death rates for men and women in five weight categories: healthy (body mass index<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/body-mass-index-HEISY000072.topic>of 18.5 to 24.9); overweight (BMI, 25 to 29.9); and three levels beyond: " obese " (BMI, 30 to 34.9), " very obese " (BMI, 35 to 39.9) and " very, very obese " (BMI, 40 or more). Compared with death rates for men and women of healthy weight, death rates from all cancers lumped together as a group rose consistently along with BMI: Rates were 52% higher for very, very obese men and 62% higher for very, very obese women. But weight doesn't affect all cancers equally. For some cancers the researchers examined, such as bladder<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/human-body/bladder-HHA000071.topic>c\ ancer, weight had no significant effect on the death rate. At the other extreme, the death rate from liver cancer<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/diseases-illnesses/liver-cancer-HEDAI\ 0000055.topic>was 350% higher for very obese men than for men of healthy weight (though only 68% higher for very obese women than for women of healthy weight). And the death rate from uterine (endometrial) cancer was 525% higher for very, very obese women than for women of healthy weight. How do those numbers stack up against other risks? Infection with the hepatitis C<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/physical-conditions/hepatitis-HEPHC0000041\ ..topic> virus<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/diseases-illnesses/viral-diseases-infe\ ctions-HEDAI0000071.topic>increases the death rate for liver cancer by 1,600%, which makes the 350% increase from obesity sound pretty measly. But only about 1.5% of Americans have a chronic hepatitis C virus infection, whereas about 30% are obese, notes Karin, distinguished professor of pharmacology and pathology at UC<http://www.latimes.com/topic/education/colleges-universities/university-of-ca\ lifornia-OREDU0000192.topic>San Diego. " So the overall contribution to liver cancer deaths from obesity far exceeds what hepatitis C infection does, " Karin says. In other words, even when obesity is responsible for a fairly small increase in the death rate for any particular cancer, it can affect many lives simply because so many people are obese. The only sure way to avoid raising your cancer risk from hefting extra pounds is to maintain a healthy weight from the day you're born, says Dr. Dimitrios Trichopoulos, professor of cancer prevention and epidemiology at the Harvard School of Public Health. " The roots of cancer are early in life, and overweight children frequently become overweight adults, " he says. Unfortunately, for two-thirds of adult Americans, that ship has already sailed — and is often pretty far out of port. Logic suggests that losing weight<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/physical-conditions/weight-loss-HEPHC\ 0000055.topic>— or at the very least not gaining any more — should help those people. Oncologists and weight experts alike consider that a wise move because of the overall health benefits it can provide. But there's insufficient evidence to say for sure that holding the line on weight gain or even dropping some pounds once you're an adult will necessarily lower cancer risk. And conducting randomized clinical trials — the gold standard — to establish this connection would be very difficult and very expensive. Still, there are positive indications. In some population studies, those who gained weight after a cancer diagnosis were more likely to die or to have a recurrence of the cancer than were those who did not gain weight. And in a 2009 study, researchers found that women who had bariatric surgery — so-called stomach stapling — not only reduced their size significantly but also reduced the size of their cancer risk by 40%. On the other hand, men who had the same surgery lost weight, but their cancer risk stayed put. A clinical trial examining the effects of a low-fat diet<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/diets-dieting/low-fat-diet-HEDI000010.t\ opic>on breast cancer<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/diseases-illnesses/breast-cancer-HEDA\ I0000012.topic>risk may cast an indirect light on the effects of weight loss. In the Women's Intervention Nutrition Study, published in 2006, researchers found that when fat intake was dropped from 30% to 20% of total daily calorie consumption for women who had previously been treated for breast cancer, the risk of a recurrence of the cancer dropped too, by about 25% after five years of follow-up. Perhaps significantly, over the same period, the women on the low-fat diet lost an average of 6 pounds compared with those on their regular diet. " If the trial were testing a drug instead of a diet, we would call it a very effective drug, " says Dr. ph Sparano, professor of medicine and women's health<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/womens-health-HEPHC0000037.topic>at Albert Einstein<http://www.latimes.com/topic/science-technology/albert-einstein-PECLB00\ 1542.topic>College of Medicine and an oncologist at Montefiore Medical Center in Bronx<http://www.latimes.com/topic/us/new-york/new-york-city/bronx-%28new-york-c\ ity%29-PLGEO100100801010000.topic>, N.Y. As scientists discover more about the ways that body fat acts to raise someone's cancer risk, a day may come when people can simply pop a pill to reduce that risk. Until then, their only real option is to be leaner, meaner cancer-fighting machines. Can they do it? Some, pointing to the miserable diet-study statistics — and evolutionary biology — have their doubts. " We're living in a world where fattening foods are cheap and easy to come by — but our brains evolved in a world where getting enough calories could be a tricky proposition, so if you could get your hands<http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/human-body/hands-HHA000026.topic>on a big glob of fat, you'd better eat it, " UCLA's Glaspy says. But others believe that cancer brings something special to the table. " It's a big motivator, " says Klemp, associate director of the Breast Cancer Survivorship Center at the University of Kansas Medical Center in Westwood. " People are really scared of cancer. " http://www.latimes.com/health/la-he-cancer-obesity-20110307,0,2785774.story?page\ =1 -- Ortiz, MS, RD *The FRUGAL Dietitian* <http://www.thefrugaldietitian.com> Check out my blog: mixture of deals and nutrition New Giveaway: The Everything Mediterranean Diet Book: All you need to lose weight and stay healthy! Ends:3/9 @ Noon<http://thefrugaldietitian.com/?p=16061>Made my own " funny but real " movie: Me interviewing a " potential " Dietetic student < *Healthy Diet at any Age: We are NOT just looking * *at the years people have behind them but also the * *quality of the years ahead of them.* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 I only wish it was true for me, but my husband will not let me stop the magnesium I started when I went perimetapausel. I think it had something to do with the uzie & 2 clips. Jackie Chase RD Dillingham Ak > Magnesium helps make white blood cells that are mature. WBC's fight cancer. > Magnesium deficiency causes increased insulin and appetite and reduced cancer > and infection fighting abilities. > > My brother in law who thinks I'm a fruit cake did start magnesium after getting > disgusted enough with his weight gain to listen to me and I heard he has lost 40 > pounds since December. A female patient in her twenties has lost fifteen after > starting 400 mg magnesium last month on my recommendation, she had already > started a sea weed supplement on her own but wasn't seeing results on the scale. > > My unpaid college student assistant has lost 60 pounds since starting Iodoral in > September and magnesium (he would count as morbidly obese the other two probably > just made it into the obese BMI or maybe high end overwt). His mother is > hypothyroid and he had a weight problem all his life. > > When given the nutrients it needs the appetite becomes satiated. It is a > wonderful feeling to be fully satisfied. Food is a blessing, it doesn't need to > be a battle. I recommend being well nourished; it feels good and frees the mind > to think about other things than the next scheduled snack or meal. > > This article has a very pessimistic tone - obesity needn't be a death sentence > or a life sentence. > > R Vajda, R.D. > www.GingerJens.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 Ha! Smart man. I guess I should look into MG supplements, but it's so much more fun this way. From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of Jackie Chase Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 9:25 PM To: rd-usa Subject: Re: Obesity: 'Like the new smoking' I only wish it was true for me, but my husband will not let me stop the magnesium I started when I went perimetapausel. I think it had something to do with the uzie & 2 clips. Jackie Chase RD Dillingham Ak > Magnesium helps make white blood cells that are mature. WBC's fight cancer. > Magnesium deficiency causes increased insulin and appetite and reduced cancer > and infection fighting abilities. > > My brother in law who thinks I'm a fruit cake did start magnesium after getting > disgusted enough with his weight gain to listen to me and I heard he has lost 40 > pounds since December. A female patient in her twenties has lost fifteen after > starting 400 mg magnesium last month on my recommendation, she had already > started a sea weed supplement on her own but wasn't seeing results on the scale. > > My unpaid college student assistant has lost 60 pounds since starting Iodoral in > September and magnesium (he would count as morbidly obese the other two probably > just made it into the obese BMI or maybe high end overwt). His mother is > hypothyroid and he had a weight problem all his life. > > When given the nutrients it needs the appetite becomes satiated. It is a > wonderful feeling to be fully satisfied. Food is a blessing, it doesn't need to > be a battle. I recommend being well nourished; it feels good and frees the mind > to think about other things than the next scheduled snack or meal. > > This article has a very pessimistic tone - obesity needn't be a death sentence > or a life sentence. > > R Vajda, R.D. > www.GingerJens.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 The St Louis nephrologist article on magnesium deficiency states that supplementation with magnesium may be needed as long as the abnormal physiology continues. (Still looking for that citation) I eat magnesium rich foods but I still need the supplements of magnesium - particularly during PMS week. I hear perimenopause is worse than the actual menopause. Estrogen fluctuations messes with magnesium channels somehow. I haven't been found with an Uzi, but based on my own mood swings and on what I have been reading in human and animal studies magnesium deficiency could really be adding to the escalation in violence in our society. Hyperexcitability and irritability are early symptoms but violent attack behavior occurred at more severe deficiency levels in rat studies (attacking and eating mice). I don't know if uzi and two clips is a joke but I believe anything is possible while under the influence of overexcited brain cells. The magnesium deficiency allows over flooding with calcium or neurotransmitters and the overworking cells seem to be thinking paranoid obsessive thoughts- anxiety is frequently listed with magnesium deficiency symptoms too. 1. Seelig, M. S., Interrelationship of magnesium and estrogen in cardiovascular and bone disorders, eclampsia, migraine and premenstrual syndrome, Department of Community and Preventive Medicine, New York Medical College, Valhalla. Journal of the American College of Nutrition, Vol 12, Issue 4 442-458, Copyright © 1993 by American College of Nutrition Abstract: The anticonvulsive and antihypertensive values of magnesium (Mg) ineclampsia, and its antiarrhythmic applications in a variety of cardiacdiseases, have caused Mg to be considered only for parenteraladministration by many physicians. In contrast, nutritionists have longrecognized Mg as an essential nutrient, because severe deficiencies elicitneuromuscular manifestations similar to those justifying its use ineclampsia. More recently, this element has been used to favorably influencelatent tetany with and without thrombotic complications, to delay pretermbirth, to influence premenstrual syndrome, and to ameliorate migraineheadaches. Most of these disorders exclusively or largely afflict women.The lesions of arteries and heart caused by experimental Mg deficiency havebeen well documented and may contribute to human cardiovascular disease.Estrogen's enhancement of Mg utilization and uptake by soft tissues andbone may explain resistance of young women to heart disease andosteoporosis, as well as increased prevalence of these diseases whenestrogen secretion ceases. However, estrogen-induced shifts of Mg can bedeleterious when estrogen levels are high and Mg intake is suboptimal. Theresultant lowering of blood Mg can increase the Ca/Mg ratio, thus favoringcoagulation. With Ca supplementation in the face of commonly low Mg intake,risk of thrombosis increases. 1. http://jasn.asnjournals.org/content/20/11/2291.long J. , Esther A. Gonzálezand Slatopolsky,Clinical Consequences and Management of Hypomagnesemia, doi: 10.1681/ASN.2007111194 (JASNNovember 1, 2009 vol. 20 no. 11 2291-2295) Because serum Mg2+ concentration is not often measured in routine blood tests, it needs to be measured directly in clinical situations that are likely to be associated with disturbed Mg2+ homeostasis, such as chronic diarrhea, hypokalemia, cardiac arrhythmias, and hypocalcemia (Table 1). Hypomagnesemia has been noted in up to 12% of hospitalized patients, and the incidence may rise above 60% in patients in ICU.18,19 Mg2+ deficiency produces in a variety of clinical manifestations, including positive Chvostek's and Trousseau's sign, seizures, muscle cramps, vertigo, nystagmus, and psychiatric manifestations. In addition, cardiac arrhythmias such as supraventricular tachycardia and torsade de pointes may occur. In addition, Mg2+ deficiency may be associated with hypokalemia and hypocalcemia. R Vajda, R.D. www.GingerJens.com ________________________________ To: rd-usa Sent: Wed, March 9, 2011 12:52:39 AM Subject: RE: Obesity: 'Like the new smoking' Ha! Smart man. I guess I should look into MG supplements, but it's so much more fun this way. From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of Jackie Chase Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 9:25 PM To: rd-usa Subject: Re: Obesity: 'Like the new smoking' I only wish it was true for me, but my husband will not let me stop the magnesium I started when I went perimetapausel. I think it had something to do with the uzie & 2 clips. Jackie Chase RD Dillingham Ak > Magnesium helps make white blood cells that are mature. WBC's fight cancer. > Magnesium deficiency causes increased insulin and appetite and reduced cancer > and infection fighting abilities. > > My brother in law who thinks I'm a fruit cake did start magnesium after getting > disgusted enough with his weight gain to listen to me and I heard he has lost 40 > pounds since December. A female patient in her twenties has lost fifteen after > starting 400 mg magnesium last month on my recommendation, she had already > started a sea weed supplement on her own but wasn't seeing results on the scale. > > My unpaid college student assistant has lost 60 pounds since starting Iodoral in > September and magnesium (he would count as morbidly obese the other two probably > just made it into the obese BMI or maybe high end overwt). His mother is > hypothyroid and he had a weight problem all his life. > > When given the nutrients it needs the appetite becomes satiated. It is a > wonderful feeling to be fully satisfied. Food is a blessing, it doesn't need to > be a battle. I recommend being well nourished; it feels good and frees the mind > to think about other things than the next scheduled snack or meal. > > This article has a very pessimistic tone - obesity needn't be a death sentence > or a life sentence. > > R Vajda, R.D. > www.GingerJens.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 The St Louis nephrologist article on magnesium deficiency states that supplementation with magnesium may be needed as long as the abnormal physiology continues. (Still looking for that citation) I eat magnesium rich foods but I still need the supplements of magnesium - particularly during PMS week. I hear perimenopause is worse than the actual menopause. Estrogen fluctuations messes with magnesium channels somehow. I haven't been found with an Uzi, but based on my own mood swings and on what I have been reading in human and animal studies magnesium deficiency could really be adding to the escalation in violence in our society. Hyperexcitability and irritability are early symptoms but violent attack behavior occurred at more severe deficiency levels in rat studies (attacking and eating mice). I don't know if uzi and two clips is a joke but I believe anything is possible while under the influence of overexcited brain cells. The magnesium deficiency allows over flooding with calcium or neurotransmitters and the overworking cells seem to be thinking paranoid obsessive thoughts- anxiety is frequently listed with magnesium deficiency symptoms too. 1. Seelig, M. S., Interrelationship of magnesium and estrogen in cardiovascular and bone disorders, eclampsia, migraine and premenstrual syndrome, Department of Community and Preventive Medicine, New York Medical College, Valhalla. Journal of the American College of Nutrition, Vol 12, Issue 4 442-458, Copyright © 1993 by American College of Nutrition Abstract: The anticonvulsive and antihypertensive values of magnesium (Mg) ineclampsia, and its antiarrhythmic applications in a variety of cardiacdiseases, have caused Mg to be considered only for parenteraladministration by many physicians. In contrast, nutritionists have longrecognized Mg as an essential nutrient, because severe deficiencies elicitneuromuscular manifestations similar to those justifying its use ineclampsia. More recently, this element has been used to favorably influencelatent tetany with and without thrombotic complications, to delay pretermbirth, to influence premenstrual syndrome, and to ameliorate migraineheadaches. Most of these disorders exclusively or largely afflict women.The lesions of arteries and heart caused by experimental Mg deficiency havebeen well documented and may contribute to human cardiovascular disease.Estrogen's enhancement of Mg utilization and uptake by soft tissues andbone may explain resistance of young women to heart disease andosteoporosis, as well as increased prevalence of these diseases whenestrogen secretion ceases. However, estrogen-induced shifts of Mg can bedeleterious when estrogen levels are high and Mg intake is suboptimal. Theresultant lowering of blood Mg can increase the Ca/Mg ratio, thus favoringcoagulation. With Ca supplementation in the face of commonly low Mg intake,risk of thrombosis increases. 1. http://jasn.asnjournals.org/content/20/11/2291.long J. , Esther A. Gonzálezand Slatopolsky,Clinical Consequences and Management of Hypomagnesemia, doi: 10.1681/ASN.2007111194 (JASNNovember 1, 2009 vol. 20 no. 11 2291-2295) Because serum Mg2+ concentration is not often measured in routine blood tests, it needs to be measured directly in clinical situations that are likely to be associated with disturbed Mg2+ homeostasis, such as chronic diarrhea, hypokalemia, cardiac arrhythmias, and hypocalcemia (Table 1). Hypomagnesemia has been noted in up to 12% of hospitalized patients, and the incidence may rise above 60% in patients in ICU.18,19 Mg2+ deficiency produces in a variety of clinical manifestations, including positive Chvostek's and Trousseau's sign, seizures, muscle cramps, vertigo, nystagmus, and psychiatric manifestations. In addition, cardiac arrhythmias such as supraventricular tachycardia and torsade de pointes may occur. In addition, Mg2+ deficiency may be associated with hypokalemia and hypocalcemia. R Vajda, R.D. www.GingerJens.com ________________________________ To: rd-usa Sent: Wed, March 9, 2011 12:52:39 AM Subject: RE: Obesity: 'Like the new smoking' Ha! Smart man. I guess I should look into MG supplements, but it's so much more fun this way. From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of Jackie Chase Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 9:25 PM To: rd-usa Subject: Re: Obesity: 'Like the new smoking' I only wish it was true for me, but my husband will not let me stop the magnesium I started when I went perimetapausel. I think it had something to do with the uzie & 2 clips. Jackie Chase RD Dillingham Ak > Magnesium helps make white blood cells that are mature. WBC's fight cancer. > Magnesium deficiency causes increased insulin and appetite and reduced cancer > and infection fighting abilities. > > My brother in law who thinks I'm a fruit cake did start magnesium after getting > disgusted enough with his weight gain to listen to me and I heard he has lost 40 > pounds since December. A female patient in her twenties has lost fifteen after > starting 400 mg magnesium last month on my recommendation, she had already > started a sea weed supplement on her own but wasn't seeing results on the scale. > > My unpaid college student assistant has lost 60 pounds since starting Iodoral in > September and magnesium (he would count as morbidly obese the other two probably > just made it into the obese BMI or maybe high end overwt). His mother is > hypothyroid and he had a weight problem all his life. > > When given the nutrients it needs the appetite becomes satiated. It is a > wonderful feeling to be fully satisfied. Food is a blessing, it doesn't need to > be a battle. I recommend being well nourished; it feels good and frees the mind > to think about other things than the next scheduled snack or meal. > > This article has a very pessimistic tone - obesity needn't be a death sentence > or a life sentence. > > R Vajda, R.D. > www.GingerJens.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 The St Louis nephrologist article on magnesium deficiency states that supplementation with magnesium may be needed as long as the abnormal physiology continues. (Still looking for that citation) I eat magnesium rich foods but I still need the supplements of magnesium - particularly during PMS week. I hear perimenopause is worse than the actual menopause. Estrogen fluctuations messes with magnesium channels somehow. I haven't been found with an Uzi, but based on my own mood swings and on what I have been reading in human and animal studies magnesium deficiency could really be adding to the escalation in violence in our society. Hyperexcitability and irritability are early symptoms but violent attack behavior occurred at more severe deficiency levels in rat studies (attacking and eating mice). I don't know if uzi and two clips is a joke but I believe anything is possible while under the influence of overexcited brain cells. The magnesium deficiency allows over flooding with calcium or neurotransmitters and the overworking cells seem to be thinking paranoid obsessive thoughts- anxiety is frequently listed with magnesium deficiency symptoms too. 1. Seelig, M. S., Interrelationship of magnesium and estrogen in cardiovascular and bone disorders, eclampsia, migraine and premenstrual syndrome, Department of Community and Preventive Medicine, New York Medical College, Valhalla. Journal of the American College of Nutrition, Vol 12, Issue 4 442-458, Copyright © 1993 by American College of Nutrition Abstract: The anticonvulsive and antihypertensive values of magnesium (Mg) ineclampsia, and its antiarrhythmic applications in a variety of cardiacdiseases, have caused Mg to be considered only for parenteraladministration by many physicians. In contrast, nutritionists have longrecognized Mg as an essential nutrient, because severe deficiencies elicitneuromuscular manifestations similar to those justifying its use ineclampsia. More recently, this element has been used to favorably influencelatent tetany with and without thrombotic complications, to delay pretermbirth, to influence premenstrual syndrome, and to ameliorate migraineheadaches. Most of these disorders exclusively or largely afflict women.The lesions of arteries and heart caused by experimental Mg deficiency havebeen well documented and may contribute to human cardiovascular disease.Estrogen's enhancement of Mg utilization and uptake by soft tissues andbone may explain resistance of young women to heart disease andosteoporosis, as well as increased prevalence of these diseases whenestrogen secretion ceases. However, estrogen-induced shifts of Mg can bedeleterious when estrogen levels are high and Mg intake is suboptimal. Theresultant lowering of blood Mg can increase the Ca/Mg ratio, thus favoringcoagulation. With Ca supplementation in the face of commonly low Mg intake,risk of thrombosis increases. 1. http://jasn.asnjournals.org/content/20/11/2291.long J. , Esther A. Gonzálezand Slatopolsky,Clinical Consequences and Management of Hypomagnesemia, doi: 10.1681/ASN.2007111194 (JASNNovember 1, 2009 vol. 20 no. 11 2291-2295) Because serum Mg2+ concentration is not often measured in routine blood tests, it needs to be measured directly in clinical situations that are likely to be associated with disturbed Mg2+ homeostasis, such as chronic diarrhea, hypokalemia, cardiac arrhythmias, and hypocalcemia (Table 1). Hypomagnesemia has been noted in up to 12% of hospitalized patients, and the incidence may rise above 60% in patients in ICU.18,19 Mg2+ deficiency produces in a variety of clinical manifestations, including positive Chvostek's and Trousseau's sign, seizures, muscle cramps, vertigo, nystagmus, and psychiatric manifestations. In addition, cardiac arrhythmias such as supraventricular tachycardia and torsade de pointes may occur. In addition, Mg2+ deficiency may be associated with hypokalemia and hypocalcemia. R Vajda, R.D. www.GingerJens.com ________________________________ To: rd-usa Sent: Wed, March 9, 2011 12:52:39 AM Subject: RE: Obesity: 'Like the new smoking' Ha! Smart man. I guess I should look into MG supplements, but it's so much more fun this way. From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of Jackie Chase Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 9:25 PM To: rd-usa Subject: Re: Obesity: 'Like the new smoking' I only wish it was true for me, but my husband will not let me stop the magnesium I started when I went perimetapausel. I think it had something to do with the uzie & 2 clips. Jackie Chase RD Dillingham Ak > Magnesium helps make white blood cells that are mature. WBC's fight cancer. > Magnesium deficiency causes increased insulin and appetite and reduced cancer > and infection fighting abilities. > > My brother in law who thinks I'm a fruit cake did start magnesium after getting > disgusted enough with his weight gain to listen to me and I heard he has lost 40 > pounds since December. A female patient in her twenties has lost fifteen after > starting 400 mg magnesium last month on my recommendation, she had already > started a sea weed supplement on her own but wasn't seeing results on the scale. > > My unpaid college student assistant has lost 60 pounds since starting Iodoral in > September and magnesium (he would count as morbidly obese the other two probably > just made it into the obese BMI or maybe high end overwt). His mother is > hypothyroid and he had a weight problem all his life. > > When given the nutrients it needs the appetite becomes satiated. It is a > wonderful feeling to be fully satisfied. Food is a blessing, it doesn't need to > be a battle. I recommend being well nourished; it feels good and frees the mind > to think about other things than the next scheduled snack or meal. > > This article has a very pessimistic tone - obesity needn't be a death sentence > or a life sentence. > > R Vajda, R.D. > www.GingerJens.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 I agree with Digna - if my husband doesn't know after 32+ years of marriage to stay away from me - then he deserves what he gets :-) On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Vajda wrote: > > > The St Louis nephrologist article on magnesium deficiency states that > supplementation with magnesium may be needed as long as the abnormal > physiology > continues. (Still looking for that citation) I eat magnesium rich foods but > I > still need the supplements of magnesium - particularly during PMS week. I > hear > perimenopause is worse than the actual menopause. Estrogen fluctuations > messes > with magnesium channels somehow. I haven't been found with an Uzi, but > based on > my own mood swings and on what I have been reading in human and animal > studies > magnesium deficiency could really be adding to the escalation in violence > in our > society. Hyperexcitability and irritability are early symptoms but violent > attack behavior occurred at more severe deficiency levels in rat studies > (attacking and eating mice). I don't know if uzi and two clips is a joke > but I > believe anything is possible while under the influence of overexcited brain > > cells. The magnesium deficiency allows over flooding with calcium or > neurotransmitters and the overworking cells seem to be thinking paranoid > obsessive thoughts- anxiety is frequently listed with magnesium deficiency > symptoms too. > > 1. Seelig, M. S., Interrelationship of magnesium and estrogen in > cardiovascular and bone disorders, eclampsia, migraine and premenstrual > syndrome, > Department of Community and Preventive Medicine, New York Medical College, > Valhalla. Journal of the American College of Nutrition, Vol 12, Issue 4 > 442-458, > Copyright © 1993 by American College of Nutrition > > Abstract: > > The anticonvulsive and antihypertensive values of magnesium (Mg) > ineclampsia, > and its antiarrhythmic applications in a variety of cardiacdiseases, have > caused > Mg to be considered only for parenteraladministration by many physicians. > In > contrast, nutritionists have longrecognized Mg as an essential nutrient, > because > severe deficiencies elicitneuromuscular manifestations similar to those > justifying its use ineclampsia. More recently, this element has been used > to > favorably influencelatent tetany with and without thrombotic complications, > to > delay pretermbirth, to influence premenstrual syndrome, and to ameliorate > migraineheadaches. Most of these disorders exclusively or largely afflict > women.The lesions of arteries and heart caused by experimental Mg > deficiency > havebeen well documented and may contribute to human cardiovascular > disease.Estrogen's enhancement of Mg utilization and uptake by soft tissues > > andbone may explain resistance of young women to heart disease > andosteoporosis, > as well as increased prevalence of these diseases whenestrogen secretion > ceases. > However, estrogen-induced shifts of Mg can bedeleterious when estrogen > levels > are high and Mg intake is suboptimal. Theresultant lowering of blood Mg can > > increase the Ca/Mg ratio, thus favoringcoagulation. With Ca supplementation > in > the face of commonly low Mg intake,risk of thrombosis increases. > > 1. http://jasn.asnjournals.org/content/20/11/2291.long J. , > Esther A. Gonzálezand Slatopolsky,Clinical Consequences and > Management > of Hypomagnesemia, doi: 10.1681/ASN.2007111194 (JASNNovember 1, 2009 vol. > 20 > no. 11 2291-2295) > Because serum Mg2+ concentration is not often measured in routine blood > tests, > it needs to be measured directly in clinical situations that > are likely to be associated with disturbed Mg2+ homeostasis, such as > chronic > diarrhea, hypokalemia, cardiac arrhythmias, and hypocalcemia (Table 1). > Hypomagnesemia has been noted in up to 12% of hospitalized patients, and > the > incidence may rise above 60% in patients in ICU.18,19 Mg2+ > deficiency produces in a variety of clinical manifestations, including > positive > Chvostek's and Trousseau's sign, seizures, muscle cramps, > vertigo, nystagmus, and psychiatric manifestations. In addition, cardiac > arrhythmias such as supraventricular tachycardia and > torsade de pointes may occur. In addition, Mg2+ deficiency may be > associated > with hypokalemia and hypocalcemia. > > R Vajda, R.D. > www.GingerJens.com > > ________________________________ > > > To: rd-usa > Sent: Wed, March 9, 2011 12:52:39 AM > Subject: RE: Obesity: 'Like the new smoking' > > > Ha! Smart man. I guess I should look into MG supplements, but it's so much > more fun this way. > > From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of > Jackie Chase > Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 9:25 PM > To: rd-usa > Subject: Re: Obesity: 'Like the new smoking' > > I only wish it was true for me, but my husband will not let me stop the > magnesium I started when I went perimetapausel. I think it had something to > do with the uzie & 2 clips. > > Jackie Chase RD > Dillingham Ak > > > > Magnesium helps make white blood cells that are mature. WBC's fight > cancer. > > Magnesium deficiency causes increased insulin and appetite and reduced > cancer > > and infection fighting abilities. > > > > My brother in law who thinks I'm a fruit cake did start magnesium after > getting > > disgusted enough with his weight gain to listen to me and I heard he has > lost 40 > > pounds since December. A female patient in her twenties has lost fifteen > after > > starting 400 mg magnesium last month on my recommendation, she had > already > > > started a sea weed supplement on her own but wasn't seeing results on the > scale. > > > > My unpaid college student assistant has lost 60 pounds since starting > Iodoral in > > September and magnesium (he would count as morbidly obese the other two > probably > > just made it into the obese BMI or maybe high end overwt). His mother is > > hypothyroid and he had a weight problem all his life. > > > > When given the nutrients it needs the appetite becomes satiated. It is a > > wonderful feeling to be fully satisfied. Food is a blessing, it doesn't > need to > > be a battle. I recommend being well nourished; it feels good and frees > the > mind > > to think about other things than the next scheduled snack or meal. > > > > This article has a very pessimistic tone - obesity needn't be a death > sentence > > or a life sentence. > > > > R Vajda, R.D. > > www.GingerJens.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 I agree with Digna - if my husband doesn't know after 32+ years of marriage to stay away from me - then he deserves what he gets :-) On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Vajda wrote: > > > The St Louis nephrologist article on magnesium deficiency states that > supplementation with magnesium may be needed as long as the abnormal > physiology > continues. (Still looking for that citation) I eat magnesium rich foods but > I > still need the supplements of magnesium - particularly during PMS week. I > hear > perimenopause is worse than the actual menopause. Estrogen fluctuations > messes > with magnesium channels somehow. I haven't been found with an Uzi, but > based on > my own mood swings and on what I have been reading in human and animal > studies > magnesium deficiency could really be adding to the escalation in violence > in our > society. Hyperexcitability and irritability are early symptoms but violent > attack behavior occurred at more severe deficiency levels in rat studies > (attacking and eating mice). I don't know if uzi and two clips is a joke > but I > believe anything is possible while under the influence of overexcited brain > > cells. The magnesium deficiency allows over flooding with calcium or > neurotransmitters and the overworking cells seem to be thinking paranoid > obsessive thoughts- anxiety is frequently listed with magnesium deficiency > symptoms too. > > 1. Seelig, M. S., Interrelationship of magnesium and estrogen in > cardiovascular and bone disorders, eclampsia, migraine and premenstrual > syndrome, > Department of Community and Preventive Medicine, New York Medical College, > Valhalla. Journal of the American College of Nutrition, Vol 12, Issue 4 > 442-458, > Copyright © 1993 by American College of Nutrition > > Abstract: > > The anticonvulsive and antihypertensive values of magnesium (Mg) > ineclampsia, > and its antiarrhythmic applications in a variety of cardiacdiseases, have > caused > Mg to be considered only for parenteraladministration by many physicians. > In > contrast, nutritionists have longrecognized Mg as an essential nutrient, > because > severe deficiencies elicitneuromuscular manifestations similar to those > justifying its use ineclampsia. More recently, this element has been used > to > favorably influencelatent tetany with and without thrombotic complications, > to > delay pretermbirth, to influence premenstrual syndrome, and to ameliorate > migraineheadaches. Most of these disorders exclusively or largely afflict > women.The lesions of arteries and heart caused by experimental Mg > deficiency > havebeen well documented and may contribute to human cardiovascular > disease.Estrogen's enhancement of Mg utilization and uptake by soft tissues > > andbone may explain resistance of young women to heart disease > andosteoporosis, > as well as increased prevalence of these diseases whenestrogen secretion > ceases. > However, estrogen-induced shifts of Mg can bedeleterious when estrogen > levels > are high and Mg intake is suboptimal. Theresultant lowering of blood Mg can > > increase the Ca/Mg ratio, thus favoringcoagulation. With Ca supplementation > in > the face of commonly low Mg intake,risk of thrombosis increases. > > 1. http://jasn.asnjournals.org/content/20/11/2291.long J. , > Esther A. Gonzálezand Slatopolsky,Clinical Consequences and > Management > of Hypomagnesemia, doi: 10.1681/ASN.2007111194 (JASNNovember 1, 2009 vol. > 20 > no. 11 2291-2295) > Because serum Mg2+ concentration is not often measured in routine blood > tests, > it needs to be measured directly in clinical situations that > are likely to be associated with disturbed Mg2+ homeostasis, such as > chronic > diarrhea, hypokalemia, cardiac arrhythmias, and hypocalcemia (Table 1). > Hypomagnesemia has been noted in up to 12% of hospitalized patients, and > the > incidence may rise above 60% in patients in ICU.18,19 Mg2+ > deficiency produces in a variety of clinical manifestations, including > positive > Chvostek's and Trousseau's sign, seizures, muscle cramps, > vertigo, nystagmus, and psychiatric manifestations. In addition, cardiac > arrhythmias such as supraventricular tachycardia and > torsade de pointes may occur. In addition, Mg2+ deficiency may be > associated > with hypokalemia and hypocalcemia. > > R Vajda, R.D. > www.GingerJens.com > > ________________________________ > > > To: rd-usa > Sent: Wed, March 9, 2011 12:52:39 AM > Subject: RE: Obesity: 'Like the new smoking' > > > Ha! Smart man. I guess I should look into MG supplements, but it's so much > more fun this way. > > From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of > Jackie Chase > Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 9:25 PM > To: rd-usa > Subject: Re: Obesity: 'Like the new smoking' > > I only wish it was true for me, but my husband will not let me stop the > magnesium I started when I went perimetapausel. I think it had something to > do with the uzie & 2 clips. > > Jackie Chase RD > Dillingham Ak > > > > Magnesium helps make white blood cells that are mature. WBC's fight > cancer. > > Magnesium deficiency causes increased insulin and appetite and reduced > cancer > > and infection fighting abilities. > > > > My brother in law who thinks I'm a fruit cake did start magnesium after > getting > > disgusted enough with his weight gain to listen to me and I heard he has > lost 40 > > pounds since December. A female patient in her twenties has lost fifteen > after > > starting 400 mg magnesium last month on my recommendation, she had > already > > > started a sea weed supplement on her own but wasn't seeing results on the > scale. > > > > My unpaid college student assistant has lost 60 pounds since starting > Iodoral in > > September and magnesium (he would count as morbidly obese the other two > probably > > just made it into the obese BMI or maybe high end overwt). His mother is > > hypothyroid and he had a weight problem all his life. > > > > When given the nutrients it needs the appetite becomes satiated. It is a > > wonderful feeling to be fully satisfied. Food is a blessing, it doesn't > need to > > be a battle. I recommend being well nourished; it feels good and frees > the > mind > > to think about other things than the next scheduled snack or meal. > > > > This article has a very pessimistic tone - obesity needn't be a death > sentence > > or a life sentence. > > > > R Vajda, R.D. > > www.GingerJens.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 I agree with Digna - if my husband doesn't know after 32+ years of marriage to stay away from me - then he deserves what he gets :-) On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Vajda wrote: > > > The St Louis nephrologist article on magnesium deficiency states that > supplementation with magnesium may be needed as long as the abnormal > physiology > continues. (Still looking for that citation) I eat magnesium rich foods but > I > still need the supplements of magnesium - particularly during PMS week. I > hear > perimenopause is worse than the actual menopause. Estrogen fluctuations > messes > with magnesium channels somehow. I haven't been found with an Uzi, but > based on > my own mood swings and on what I have been reading in human and animal > studies > magnesium deficiency could really be adding to the escalation in violence > in our > society. Hyperexcitability and irritability are early symptoms but violent > attack behavior occurred at more severe deficiency levels in rat studies > (attacking and eating mice). I don't know if uzi and two clips is a joke > but I > believe anything is possible while under the influence of overexcited brain > > cells. The magnesium deficiency allows over flooding with calcium or > neurotransmitters and the overworking cells seem to be thinking paranoid > obsessive thoughts- anxiety is frequently listed with magnesium deficiency > symptoms too. > > 1. Seelig, M. S., Interrelationship of magnesium and estrogen in > cardiovascular and bone disorders, eclampsia, migraine and premenstrual > syndrome, > Department of Community and Preventive Medicine, New York Medical College, > Valhalla. Journal of the American College of Nutrition, Vol 12, Issue 4 > 442-458, > Copyright © 1993 by American College of Nutrition > > Abstract: > > The anticonvulsive and antihypertensive values of magnesium (Mg) > ineclampsia, > and its antiarrhythmic applications in a variety of cardiacdiseases, have > caused > Mg to be considered only for parenteraladministration by many physicians. > In > contrast, nutritionists have longrecognized Mg as an essential nutrient, > because > severe deficiencies elicitneuromuscular manifestations similar to those > justifying its use ineclampsia. More recently, this element has been used > to > favorably influencelatent tetany with and without thrombotic complications, > to > delay pretermbirth, to influence premenstrual syndrome, and to ameliorate > migraineheadaches. Most of these disorders exclusively or largely afflict > women.The lesions of arteries and heart caused by experimental Mg > deficiency > havebeen well documented and may contribute to human cardiovascular > disease.Estrogen's enhancement of Mg utilization and uptake by soft tissues > > andbone may explain resistance of young women to heart disease > andosteoporosis, > as well as increased prevalence of these diseases whenestrogen secretion > ceases. > However, estrogen-induced shifts of Mg can bedeleterious when estrogen > levels > are high and Mg intake is suboptimal. Theresultant lowering of blood Mg can > > increase the Ca/Mg ratio, thus favoringcoagulation. With Ca supplementation > in > the face of commonly low Mg intake,risk of thrombosis increases. > > 1. http://jasn.asnjournals.org/content/20/11/2291.long J. , > Esther A. Gonzálezand Slatopolsky,Clinical Consequences and > Management > of Hypomagnesemia, doi: 10.1681/ASN.2007111194 (JASNNovember 1, 2009 vol. > 20 > no. 11 2291-2295) > Because serum Mg2+ concentration is not often measured in routine blood > tests, > it needs to be measured directly in clinical situations that > are likely to be associated with disturbed Mg2+ homeostasis, such as > chronic > diarrhea, hypokalemia, cardiac arrhythmias, and hypocalcemia (Table 1). > Hypomagnesemia has been noted in up to 12% of hospitalized patients, and > the > incidence may rise above 60% in patients in ICU.18,19 Mg2+ > deficiency produces in a variety of clinical manifestations, including > positive > Chvostek's and Trousseau's sign, seizures, muscle cramps, > vertigo, nystagmus, and psychiatric manifestations. In addition, cardiac > arrhythmias such as supraventricular tachycardia and > torsade de pointes may occur. In addition, Mg2+ deficiency may be > associated > with hypokalemia and hypocalcemia. > > R Vajda, R.D. > www.GingerJens.com > > ________________________________ > > > To: rd-usa > Sent: Wed, March 9, 2011 12:52:39 AM > Subject: RE: Obesity: 'Like the new smoking' > > > Ha! Smart man. I guess I should look into MG supplements, but it's so much > more fun this way. > > From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of > Jackie Chase > Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 9:25 PM > To: rd-usa > Subject: Re: Obesity: 'Like the new smoking' > > I only wish it was true for me, but my husband will not let me stop the > magnesium I started when I went perimetapausel. I think it had something to > do with the uzie & 2 clips. > > Jackie Chase RD > Dillingham Ak > > > > Magnesium helps make white blood cells that are mature. WBC's fight > cancer. > > Magnesium deficiency causes increased insulin and appetite and reduced > cancer > > and infection fighting abilities. > > > > My brother in law who thinks I'm a fruit cake did start magnesium after > getting > > disgusted enough with his weight gain to listen to me and I heard he has > lost 40 > > pounds since December. A female patient in her twenties has lost fifteen > after > > starting 400 mg magnesium last month on my recommendation, she had > already > > > started a sea weed supplement on her own but wasn't seeing results on the > scale. > > > > My unpaid college student assistant has lost 60 pounds since starting > Iodoral in > > September and magnesium (he would count as morbidly obese the other two > probably > > just made it into the obese BMI or maybe high end overwt). His mother is > > hypothyroid and he had a weight problem all his life. > > > > When given the nutrients it needs the appetite becomes satiated. It is a > > wonderful feeling to be fully satisfied. Food is a blessing, it doesn't > need to > > be a battle. I recommend being well nourished; it feels good and frees > the > mind > > to think about other things than the next scheduled snack or meal. > > > > This article has a very pessimistic tone - obesity needn't be a death > sentence > > or a life sentence. > > > > R Vajda, R.D. > > www.GingerJens.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 It was so bad even the dogs would hide. Starting magnesium was like night and day, much better then the pills the doc gave me to help me relax and sleep at night. The hot flashes went away and let me tell you El Paso in the summer is not where you want to have hot flashes. I no longer craved sugar. Everyone was happier a week after I started, including me. Jackie Chase RD Dillingham AK > I agree with Digna - if my husband doesn't know after 32+ years of marriage > to stay away from me - then he deserves what he gets :-) > > On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Vajda wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Very interesting! Thanks:) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 9, 2011, at 4:30 PM, Vajda wrote: > The St Louis nephrologist article on magnesium deficiency states that > supplementation with magnesium may be needed as long as the abnormal > physiology > continues. (Still looking for that citation) I eat magnesium rich > foods but I > still need the supplements of magnesium - particularly during PMS > week. I hear > perimenopause is worse than the actual menopause. Estrogen > fluctuations messes > with magnesium channels somehow. I haven't been found with an Uzi, > but based on > my own mood swings and on what I have been reading in human and > animal studies > magnesium deficiency could really be adding to the escalation in > violence in our > society. Hyperexcitability and irritability are early symptoms but > violent > attack behavior occurred at more severe deficiency levels in rat > studies > (attacking and eating mice). I don't know if uzi and two clips is a > joke but I > believe anything is possible while under the influence of > overexcited brain > cells. The magnesium deficiency allows over flooding with calcium or > neurotransmitters and the overworking cells seem to be thinking > paranoid > obsessive thoughts- anxiety is frequently listed with magnesium > deficiency > symptoms too. > > 1. Seelig, M. S., Interrelationship of magnesium and estrogen in > cardiovascular and bone disorders, eclampsia, migraine and > premenstrual > syndrome, > Department of Community and Preventive Medicine, New York Medical > College, > Valhalla. Journal of the American College of Nutrition, Vol 12, > Issue 4 442-458, > Copyright © 1993 by American College of Nutrition > > Abstract: > > The anticonvulsive and antihypertensive values of magnesium (Mg) > ineclampsia, > and its antiarrhythmic applications in a variety of cardiacdiseases, > have caused > Mg to be considered only for parenteraladministration by many > physicians. In > contrast, nutritionists have longrecognized Mg as an essential > nutrient, because > severe deficiencies elicitneuromuscular manifestations similar to > those > justifying its use ineclampsia. More recently, this element has been > used to > favorably influencelatent tetany with and without thrombotic > complications, to > delay pretermbirth, to influence premenstrual syndrome, and to > ameliorate > migraineheadaches. Most of these disorders exclusively or largely > afflict > women.The lesions of arteries and heart caused by experimental Mg > deficiency > havebeen well documented and may contribute to human cardiovascular > disease.Estrogen's enhancement of Mg utilization and uptake by soft > tissues > andbone may explain resistance of young women to heart disease > andosteoporosis, > as well as increased prevalence of these diseases whenestrogen > secretion ceases. > However, estrogen-induced shifts of Mg can bedeleterious when > estrogen levels > are high and Mg intake is suboptimal. Theresultant lowering of blood > Mg can > increase the Ca/Mg ratio, thus favoringcoagulation. With Ca > supplementation in > the face of commonly low Mg intake,risk of thrombosis increases. > > 1. http://jasn.asnjournals.org/content/20/11/2291.long J. > , > Esther A. Gonzálezand Slatopolsky,Clinical Consequences and > Management > of Hypomagnesemia, doi: 10.1681/ASN.2007111194 (JASNNovember 1, 2009 > vol. 20 > no. 11 2291-2295) > Because serum Mg2+ concentration is not often measured in routine > blood tests, > it needs to be measured directly in clinical situations that > are likely to be associated with disturbed Mg2+ homeostasis, such as > chronic > diarrhea, hypokalemia, cardiac arrhythmias, and hypocalcemia (Table > 1). > Hypomagnesemia has been noted in up to 12% of hospitalized patients, > and the > incidence may rise above 60% in patients in ICU.18,19 Mg2+ > deficiency produces in a variety of clinical manifestations, > including positive > Chvostek's and Trousseau's sign, seizures, muscle cramps, > vertigo, nystagmus, and psychiatric manifestations. In addition, > cardiac > arrhythmias such as supraventricular tachycardia and > torsade de pointes may occur. In addition, Mg2+ deficiency may be > associated > with hypokalemia and hypocalcemia. > > R Vajda, R.D. > www.GingerJens.com > > ________________________________ > > To: rd-usa > Sent: Wed, March 9, 2011 12:52:39 AM > Subject: RE: Obesity: 'Like the new smoking' > > Ha! Smart man. I guess I should look into MG supplements, but it's > so much > more fun this way. > > From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On > Behalf Of > Jackie Chase > Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 9:25 PM > To: rd-usa > Subject: Re: Obesity: 'Like the new smoking' > > I only wish it was true for me, but my husband will not let me stop > the > magnesium I started when I went perimetapausel. I think it had > something to > do with the uzie & 2 clips. > > Jackie Chase RD > Dillingham Ak > > > > Magnesium helps make white blood cells that are mature. WBC's fight > cancer. > > Magnesium deficiency causes increased insulin and appetite and > reduced > cancer > > and infection fighting abilities. > > > > My brother in law who thinks I'm a fruit cake did start magnesium > after > getting > > disgusted enough with his weight gain to listen to me and I heard > he has > lost 40 > > pounds since December. A female patient in her twenties has lost > fifteen > after > > starting 400 mg magnesium last month on my recommendation, she had > already > > > started a sea weed supplement on her own but wasn't seeing results > on the > scale. > > > > My unpaid college student assistant has lost 60 pounds since > starting > Iodoral in > > September and magnesium (he would count as morbidly obese the > other two > probably > > just made it into the obese BMI or maybe high end overwt). His > mother is > > hypothyroid and he had a weight problem all his life. > > > > When given the nutrients it needs the appetite becomes satiated. > It is a > > wonderful feeling to be fully satisfied. Food is a blessing, it > doesn't > need to > > be a battle. I recommend being well nourished; it feels good and > frees the > mind > > to think about other things than the next scheduled snack or meal. > > > > This article has a very pessimistic tone - obesity needn't be a > death > sentence > > or a life sentence. > > > > R Vajda, R.D. > > www.GingerJens.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Hmmm, I wonder if my diet is naturally high in magnesium. I've never had hot flashes, or cramps, or any of those cravings. Maybe I'm an android? From what I have heard since I turned 12, I haven't missed anything at all. Anywhere in summer is better than elsewhere in the winter for me anyway. From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of Jackie Chase Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 7:56 PM To: rd-usa Subject: Re: Obesity: 'Like the new smoking' It was so bad even the dogs would hide. Starting magnesium was like night and day, much better then the pills the doc gave me to help me relax and sleep at night. The hot flashes went away and let me tell you El Paso in the summer is not where you want to have hot flashes. I no longer craved sugar. Everyone was happier a week after I started, including me. Jackie Chase RD Dillingham AK > I agree with Digna - if my husband doesn't know after 32+ years of marriage > to stay away from me - then he deserves what he gets :-) > > On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Vajda <jennyvajda@... <mailto:jennyvajda%40sbcglobal.net> >wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 In a message dated 3/9/2011 4:34:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, nrord1@... writes: > > I agree with Dr Seelig. Mg reduces extra systoles, heart beats. too! I take 250 mg of Mg per day. Shirley Ekvall Ph.D.,RD,LD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 I have been taking 250 to 500 mg magnesium (split dosage if I remember at night)for over 3 yrs for my bowels. I still have night sweats, but no 'power surges' during the day... Madalyn ________________________________ To: rd-usa Sent: Thu, March 17, 2011 10:25:32 AM Subject: Re: Obesity: 'Like the new smoking' Sorry for the late reply I am taking a college course. May have bitten off a little to much with this course. Anyway I am taking 225-300 mg magnesium citrate per day depending on the brand. It took 48 hours for results when I started about a full month for all the hot flashes to go away. My husband and dogs where much happier after two days then they had been in a long while. Even now if I stop taking it for any length of time Rob starts asking if I have ben taking my magnesium so I must have a ongoing need for it. Jackie Chase RD Dillingham AK > Jackie, what was/is your dose? I am starting perimenopause and the hot flashes >are starting....... > Thanks, > Cece > > ---- Original message ---- > >Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 18:56:00 -0900 > >From: rd-usa (on behalf of Jackie Chase >) > >Subject: Re: Obesity: 'Like the new smoking' > >To: rd-usa > > > > > > > > It was so bad even the dogs would hide. Starting > > magnesium was like night and day, much better then > > the pills the doc gave me to help me relax and sleep > > at night. The hot flashes went away and let me tell > > you El Paso in the summer is not where you want to > > have hot flashes. I no longer craved sugar. Everyone > > was happier a week after I started, including me. > > > > Jackie Chase RD > > Dillingham AK > > > > > > > > > I agree with Digna - if my husband doesn't know > > after 32+ years of marriage > > > to stay away from me - then he deserves what he > > gets :-) > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Vajda > > wrote: > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > This message is intended for the use of the addressee only and may contain >information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended >recipient of this message, be notified that any dissemination or use of this >message is strictly prohibited. Un-intended transmission does not constitute >waiver of attorney-client privilege or any other privilege. If you have received >this message in error, please delete all copies of the message and its >attachments and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 I have been taking 250 to 500 mg magnesium (split dosage if I remember at night)for over 3 yrs for my bowels. I still have night sweats, but no 'power surges' during the day... Madalyn ________________________________ To: rd-usa Sent: Thu, March 17, 2011 10:25:32 AM Subject: Re: Obesity: 'Like the new smoking' Sorry for the late reply I am taking a college course. May have bitten off a little to much with this course. Anyway I am taking 225-300 mg magnesium citrate per day depending on the brand. It took 48 hours for results when I started about a full month for all the hot flashes to go away. My husband and dogs where much happier after two days then they had been in a long while. Even now if I stop taking it for any length of time Rob starts asking if I have ben taking my magnesium so I must have a ongoing need for it. Jackie Chase RD Dillingham AK > Jackie, what was/is your dose? I am starting perimenopause and the hot flashes >are starting....... > Thanks, > Cece > > ---- Original message ---- > >Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 18:56:00 -0900 > >From: rd-usa (on behalf of Jackie Chase >) > >Subject: Re: Obesity: 'Like the new smoking' > >To: rd-usa > > > > > > > > It was so bad even the dogs would hide. Starting > > magnesium was like night and day, much better then > > the pills the doc gave me to help me relax and sleep > > at night. The hot flashes went away and let me tell > > you El Paso in the summer is not where you want to > > have hot flashes. I no longer craved sugar. Everyone > > was happier a week after I started, including me. > > > > Jackie Chase RD > > Dillingham AK > > > > > > > > > I agree with Digna - if my husband doesn't know > > after 32+ years of marriage > > > to stay away from me - then he deserves what he > > gets :-) > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Vajda > > wrote: > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > This message is intended for the use of the addressee only and may contain >information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended >recipient of this message, be notified that any dissemination or use of this >message is strictly prohibited. Un-intended transmission does not constitute >waiver of attorney-client privilege or any other privilege. If you have received >this message in error, please delete all copies of the message and its >attachments and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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