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Just interested, does he provide scientific references for all his theories?

Thanks

>

>

>

> Looking for RD prospective regarding the hypothesis that all humans, not

> just those with an allergy or intolerance to gluten, should avoid gluten due

> to the presence of " anti nutrients " such as

> lectins, phytates, prolamines and saponins.Yes, I am reading Robb Wolf's

> Paleo Solution. And those of you who read the book, know he hates RDs,

> because " RDs don't challenge conventional diet principles " , that he believes

> are not evidence based. The book states that humans can " tolerate " these

> anti nutrients and plug along, but that we really have not evolved to live

> on a 60% grain based diet, and that high nutrient density foods (meat,

> veggies, sat/0-3 fats) should contribute the majority of our kcals.

> The Paleo folks (yes I just joined a CrossFit gym) believe there are anti

> nutrients in dairy and legumes as well. The Paleo Diet (unprocessed foods,

> high nutrient density foods, high Omega 3 fat/sat fat) looks like this:

> About 30% protein - from grass feed animals

> About 60% fats- from meats, coconuts, avocados, olives, fish and fish oils

> About 10% carbs from veggies. Higher carbs, add more and fruit when working

> out more.

> Small amounts of nuts and seeds are OK, but their fat profile (higher in

> O-6) keeps them on the limit list.

> Low fructose fruits are ok, like berries, but fructose is also believed to

> be a neurotoxin, and a " food crack " for the average human.

> The worst possible diet, according to this camp is a high grain, high

> fructose, high Omega 6 diet, with corn oil, gluten and fructose being the

> major bad guys, and protein, saturated fats, O-3s and root/bulb veggies

> being the good guys.

>

> I am searching NIH and PubMed and not finding much at all discussing the

> dangers of these anti nutrients in the human food supply. I see some info

> about anti nutrients in soy, and data about gluten toxicity in Celiac dx,

> but not the general population.

> The Paleo Internet sites are full of information stating that most diseases

> (obesity, general fatigue, allergies, GI in tolerances, DM, etc) would

> disappear if grains, dairy and legumes are eliminated.

>

> Is anyone else reading this book?

> I would love to discuss all this conflicting information.

>

> Osowski MS, RD, LD

> Registered Dietitian

>

>

>

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I'm also a CrossFitter (about 1 1/2 yrs now) - love the workouts, love the idea

of eating more vegetables, natural/organic foods, hate the dissing on the RDs.

Trainers/owner/coaches at my box (for those who aren't familiar with CrossFit,

we call our gyms " boxes " ) agreed that we have different philosophy about

nutrition and I wouldn't diss on them if they didn't diss on me. Also, they

have

asked me to clarify some points if they had questions - I've had to correct the

owner a couple of times when he claimed a type of food was a source of a

certain

nutrient.

Funny how dairy products are " bad " , but they all agree about chocolate milk as

a

workout recovery beverage. If a member comes to me with nutrition questions, I

answer them with the evidence (i.e. this diet is very acidic and pulling calcium

out of your bones so being all dairy-free may not be a good idea). I have no

problem with people avoiding wheat but they probably need more carbs then they

get if eshewing all grains/starches (i.e. rice, potatos, corn, etc).   

Of course people are losing weight when they do a paleo diet (it's just another

version of Atkins) and they have started a serious calorie burning/muscle

building exercise program. They feel better because they have stopped

eating processed foods, no added sugars, and more vegetables.  I bite my

tongue

at the protein powders and the supplements (one young man has really gone

overboard with those, reading way too many magazines about micronutrients and

phytonutrients in bottles). 

And when members ask me if I'm eating Paleo (I have six-pack abs for the first

time in my life, at age 48), I smile and say " no " , I am eating the same as I

was

before I started CrossFit, I drink milk, I eat whole-grain when I have any wheat

products, I'm not a very good vegetable eater (picky) and I love chocolate. 

Holly

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Pediatric Dietitian, Diabetes Educator

Medical Nutrition Therapist, Las Vegas, NV

Maj Holly Brewer, USAFR BSC http://hollyinbalad.blogspot.com

301st MDS, NAS JRB Fort Worth (Carswell), TX

Joint Base Balad, Iraq (Jan-Jul 2009)

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Subject: Paleo diet/ gluten free for everyone?

 

Looking for RD prospective regarding the hypothesis that all humans, not just

those with an allergy or intolerance to gluten, should avoid gluten due to the

presence of " anti nutrients " such as

lectins, phytates, prolamines and saponins.Yes, I am reading Robb Wolf's Paleo

Solution. And those of you who read the book, know he hates RDs, because " RDs

don't challenge conventional diet principles " , that he believes are not evidence

based. The book states that humans can " tolerate " these anti nutrients and plug

along, but that we really have not evolved to live on a 60% grain based diet,

and that high nutrient density foods (meat, veggies, sat/0-3 fats) should

contribute the majority of our kcals.

The Paleo folks (yes I just joined a CrossFit gym) believe there are anti

nutrients in dairy and legumes as well. The Paleo Diet (unprocessed foods, high

nutrient density foods, high Omega 3 fat/sat fat) looks like this:

About 30% protein - from grass feed animals

About 60% fats- from meats, coconuts, avocados, olives, fish and fish oils

About 10% carbs from veggies. Higher carbs, add more and fruit when working out

more.

Small amounts of nuts and seeds are OK, but their fat profile (higher in O-6)

keeps them on the limit list.

Low fructose fruits are ok, like berries, but fructose is also believed to be a

neurotoxin, and a " food crack " for the average human.

The worst possible diet, according to this camp is a high grain, high fructose,

high Omega 6 diet, with corn oil, gluten and fructose being the major bad guys,

and protein, saturated fats, O-3s and root/bulb veggies being the good guys.

I am searching NIH and PubMed and not finding much at all discussing the dangers

of these anti nutrients in the human food supply. I see some info about anti

nutrients in soy, and data about gluten toxicity in Celiac dx, but not the

general population.

The Paleo Internet sites are full of information stating that most diseases

(obesity, general fatigue, allergies, GI in tolerances, DM, etc) would disappear

if grains, dairy and legumes are eliminated.

Is anyone else reading this book?

I would love to discuss all this conflicting information.

Osowski MS, RD, LD

Registered Dietitian

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We have a MD prescribing to this type of diet as it helped him cure his cancer.

Even though the chemo may also of had a good help with that. Forces it on his

surgical pt.s is the hospital. We provide as he orders but if the pt. balks we

will intervene. Makes life miserable at times.

Re: Paleo diet/ gluten free for everyone?

Just interested, does he provide scientific references for all his theories?

Thanks

>

>

>

> Looking for RD prospective regarding the hypothesis that all humans,

> not just those with an allergy or intolerance to gluten, should avoid

> gluten due to the presence of " anti nutrients " such as lectins,

> phytates, prolamines and saponins.Yes, I am reading Robb Wolf's Paleo

> Solution. And those of you who read the book, know he hates RDs,

> because " RDs don't challenge conventional diet principles " , that he

> believes are not evidence based. The book states that humans can

> " tolerate " these anti nutrients and plug along, but that we really

> have not evolved to live on a 60% grain based diet, and that high

> nutrient density foods (meat, veggies, sat/0-3 fats) should contribute the

majority of our kcals.

> The Paleo folks (yes I just joined a CrossFit gym) believe there are

> anti nutrients in dairy and legumes as well. The Paleo Diet

> (unprocessed foods, high nutrient density foods, high Omega 3 fat/sat fat)

looks like this:

> About 30% protein - from grass feed animals About 60% fats- from

> meats, coconuts, avocados, olives, fish and fish oils About 10% carbs

> from veggies. Higher carbs, add more and fruit when working out more.

> Small amounts of nuts and seeds are OK, but their fat profile (higher

> in

> O-6) keeps them on the limit list.

> Low fructose fruits are ok, like berries, but fructose is also

> believed to be a neurotoxin, and a " food crack " for the average human.

> The worst possible diet, according to this camp is a high grain, high

> fructose, high Omega 6 diet, with corn oil, gluten and fructose being

> the major bad guys, and protein, saturated fats, O-3s and root/bulb

> veggies being the good guys.

>

> I am searching NIH and PubMed and not finding much at all discussing

> the dangers of these anti nutrients in the human food supply. I see

> some info about anti nutrients in soy, and data about gluten toxicity

> in Celiac dx, but not the general population.

> The Paleo Internet sites are full of information stating that most

> diseases (obesity, general fatigue, allergies, GI in tolerances, DM,

> etc) would disappear if grains, dairy and legumes are eliminated.

>

> Is anyone else reading this book?

> I would love to discuss all this conflicting information.

>

> Osowski MS, RD, LD

> Registered Dietitian

>

>

>

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We have a MD prescribing to this type of diet as it helped him cure his cancer.

Even though the chemo may also of had a good help with that. Forces it on his

surgical pt.s is the hospital. We provide as he orders but if the pt. balks we

will intervene. Makes life miserable at times.

Re: Paleo diet/ gluten free for everyone?

Just interested, does he provide scientific references for all his theories?

Thanks

>

>

>

> Looking for RD prospective regarding the hypothesis that all humans,

> not just those with an allergy or intolerance to gluten, should avoid

> gluten due to the presence of " anti nutrients " such as lectins,

> phytates, prolamines and saponins.Yes, I am reading Robb Wolf's Paleo

> Solution. And those of you who read the book, know he hates RDs,

> because " RDs don't challenge conventional diet principles " , that he

> believes are not evidence based. The book states that humans can

> " tolerate " these anti nutrients and plug along, but that we really

> have not evolved to live on a 60% grain based diet, and that high

> nutrient density foods (meat, veggies, sat/0-3 fats) should contribute the

majority of our kcals.

> The Paleo folks (yes I just joined a CrossFit gym) believe there are

> anti nutrients in dairy and legumes as well. The Paleo Diet

> (unprocessed foods, high nutrient density foods, high Omega 3 fat/sat fat)

looks like this:

> About 30% protein - from grass feed animals About 60% fats- from

> meats, coconuts, avocados, olives, fish and fish oils About 10% carbs

> from veggies. Higher carbs, add more and fruit when working out more.

> Small amounts of nuts and seeds are OK, but their fat profile (higher

> in

> O-6) keeps them on the limit list.

> Low fructose fruits are ok, like berries, but fructose is also

> believed to be a neurotoxin, and a " food crack " for the average human.

> The worst possible diet, according to this camp is a high grain, high

> fructose, high Omega 6 diet, with corn oil, gluten and fructose being

> the major bad guys, and protein, saturated fats, O-3s and root/bulb

> veggies being the good guys.

>

> I am searching NIH and PubMed and not finding much at all discussing

> the dangers of these anti nutrients in the human food supply. I see

> some info about anti nutrients in soy, and data about gluten toxicity

> in Celiac dx, but not the general population.

> The Paleo Internet sites are full of information stating that most

> diseases (obesity, general fatigue, allergies, GI in tolerances, DM,

> etc) would disappear if grains, dairy and legumes are eliminated.

>

> Is anyone else reading this book?

> I would love to discuss all this conflicting information.

>

> Osowski MS, RD, LD

> Registered Dietitian

>

>

>

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Robb has about 300 references, many many from the subset of researchers who

align with the paleo diet: L Cordain, D M Edes, A Devany.

Osowski MS, RD, LD

Registered Dietitian

Re: Paleo diet/ gluten free for everyone?

Just interested, does he provide scientific references for all his theories?

hanks

>

Looking for RD prospective regarding the hypothesis that all humans, not

just those with an allergy or intolerance to gluten, should avoid gluten due

to the presence of " anti nutrients " such as

lectins, phytates, prolamines and saponins.Yes, I am reading Robb Wolf's

Paleo Solution. And those of you who read the book, know he hates RDs,

because " RDs don't challenge conventional diet principles " , that he believes

are not evidence based. The book states that humans can " tolerate " these

anti nutrients and plug along, but that we really have not evolved to live

on a 60% grain based diet, and that high nutrient density foods (meat,

veggies, sat/0-3 fats) should contribute the majority of our kcals.

The Paleo folks (yes I just joined a CrossFit gym) believe there are anti

nutrients in dairy and legumes as well. The Paleo Diet (unprocessed foods,

high nutrient density foods, high Omega 3 fat/sat fat) looks like this:

About 30% protein - from grass feed animals

About 60% fats- from meats, coconuts, avocados, olives, fish and fish oils

About 10% carbs from veggies. Higher carbs, add more and fruit when working

out more.

Small amounts of nuts and seeds are OK, but their fat profile (higher in

O-6) keeps them on the limit list.

Low fructose fruits are ok, like berries, but fructose is also believed to

be a neurotoxin, and a " food crack " for the average human.

The worst possible diet, according to this camp is a high grain, high

fructose, high Omega 6 diet, with corn oil, gluten and fructose being the

major bad guys, and protein, saturated fats, O-3s and root/bulb veggies

being the good guys.

I am searching NIH and PubMed and not finding much at all discussing the

dangers of these anti nutrients in the human food supply. I see some info

about anti nutrients in soy, and data about gluten toxicity in Celiac dx,

but not the general population.

The Paleo Internet sites are full of information stating that most diseases

(obesity, general fatigue, allergies, GI in tolerances, DM, etc) would

disappear if grains, dairy and legumes are eliminated.

Is anyone else reading this book?

I would love to discuss all this conflicting information.

Osowski MS, RD, LD

Registered Dietitian

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Robb has about 300 references, many many from the subset of researchers who

align with the paleo diet: L Cordain, D M Edes, A Devany.

Osowski MS, RD, LD

Registered Dietitian

Re: Paleo diet/ gluten free for everyone?

Just interested, does he provide scientific references for all his theories?

hanks

>

Looking for RD prospective regarding the hypothesis that all humans, not

just those with an allergy or intolerance to gluten, should avoid gluten due

to the presence of " anti nutrients " such as

lectins, phytates, prolamines and saponins.Yes, I am reading Robb Wolf's

Paleo Solution. And those of you who read the book, know he hates RDs,

because " RDs don't challenge conventional diet principles " , that he believes

are not evidence based. The book states that humans can " tolerate " these

anti nutrients and plug along, but that we really have not evolved to live

on a 60% grain based diet, and that high nutrient density foods (meat,

veggies, sat/0-3 fats) should contribute the majority of our kcals.

The Paleo folks (yes I just joined a CrossFit gym) believe there are anti

nutrients in dairy and legumes as well. The Paleo Diet (unprocessed foods,

high nutrient density foods, high Omega 3 fat/sat fat) looks like this:

About 30% protein - from grass feed animals

About 60% fats- from meats, coconuts, avocados, olives, fish and fish oils

About 10% carbs from veggies. Higher carbs, add more and fruit when working

out more.

Small amounts of nuts and seeds are OK, but their fat profile (higher in

O-6) keeps them on the limit list.

Low fructose fruits are ok, like berries, but fructose is also believed to

be a neurotoxin, and a " food crack " for the average human.

The worst possible diet, according to this camp is a high grain, high

fructose, high Omega 6 diet, with corn oil, gluten and fructose being the

major bad guys, and protein, saturated fats, O-3s and root/bulb veggies

being the good guys.

I am searching NIH and PubMed and not finding much at all discussing the

dangers of these anti nutrients in the human food supply. I see some info

about anti nutrients in soy, and data about gluten toxicity in Celiac dx,

but not the general population.

The Paleo Internet sites are full of information stating that most diseases

(obesity, general fatigue, allergies, GI in tolerances, DM, etc) would

disappear if grains, dairy and legumes are eliminated.

Is anyone else reading this book?

I would love to discuss all this conflicting information.

Osowski MS, RD, LD

Registered Dietitian

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MICHAEL POLLAN - In Defense of Food (excerpt, p9)

" The scientists haven't tested the hypothesis yet, but I'm willing to bet that

when they do they'll find an inverse correlation between the amount of time

people spend worrying about nutrition and their overall health and happiness.

This is , after all, implicit lesson of the French paradox, so-called not by

the French (Quel paradoxe?)

but by the American nutritionists, who can't fathom how a people who enjoy their

food as much as the French do, and blithely eat so many nutrients deemed toxic

by nutritionist, could have substantially lower rates of heart disease than we

do on our elaborately engineered low-fat diets. Maybe its time we confronted the

American paradox: a notably unhealthy population preoccupied with nutrition and

diet and the idea of eating healthily " .

>

Looking for RD prospective regarding the hypothesis that all humans, not

just those with an allergy or intolerance to gluten, should avoid gluten due

to the presence of " anti nutrients " such as

lectins, phytates, prolamines and saponins.Yes, I am reading Robb Wolf's

Paleo Solution. And those of you who read the book, know he hates RDs,

because " RDs don't challenge conventional diet principles " , that he believes

are not evidence based. The book states that humans can " tolerate " these

anti nutrients and plug along, but that we really have not evolved to live

on a 60% grain based diet, and that high nutrient density foods (meat,

veggies, sat/0-3 fats) should contribute the majority of our kcals.

The Paleo folks (yes I just joined a CrossFit gym) believe there are anti

nutrients in dairy and legumes as well. The Paleo Diet (unprocessed foods,

high nutrient density foods, high Omega 3 fat/sat fat) looks like this:

About 30% protein - from grass feed animals

About 60% fats- from meats, coconuts, avocados, olives, fish and fish oils

About 10% carbs from veggies. Higher carbs, add more and fruit when working

out more.

Small amounts of nuts and seeds are OK, but their fat profile (higher in

O-6) keeps them on the limit list.

Low fructose fruits are ok, like berries, but fructose is also believed to

be a neurotoxin, and a " food crack " for the average human.

The worst possible diet, according to this camp is a high grain, high

fructose, high Omega 6 diet, with corn oil, gluten and fructose being the

major bad guys, and protein, saturated fats, O-3s and root/bulb veggies

being the good guys.

I am searching NIH and PubMed and not finding much at all discussing the

dangers of these anti nutrients in the human food supply. I see some info

about anti nutrients in soy, and data about gluten toxicity in Celiac dx,

but not the general population.

The Paleo Internet sites are full of information stating that most diseases

(obesity, general fatigue, allergies, GI in tolerances, DM, etc) would

disappear if grains, dairy and legumes are eliminated.

Is anyone else reading this book?

I would love to discuss all this conflicting information.

Osowski MS, RD, LD

Registered Dietitian

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But the French have higher stroke rates...

>

>

> MICHAEL POLLAN - In Defense of Food (excerpt, p9)

> " The scientists haven't tested the hypothesis yet, but I'm willing to bet

> that when they do they'll find an inverse correlation between the amount of

> time people spend worrying about nutrition and their overall health and

> happiness. This is , after all, implicit lesson of the French paradox,

> so-called not by the French (Quel paradoxe?)

> but by the American nutritionists, who can't fathom how a people who enjoy

> their food as much as the French do, and blithely eat so many nutrients

> deemed toxic by nutritionist, could have substantially lower rates of heart

> disease than we do on our elaborately engineered low-fat diets. Maybe its

> time we confronted the American paradox: a notably unhealthy population

> preoccupied with nutrition and diet and the idea of eating healthily " .

>

>

>

>

> >

>

> Looking for RD prospective regarding the hypothesis that all humans, not

>

> just those with an allergy or intolerance to gluten, should avoid gluten

> due

>

> to the presence of " anti nutrients " such as

>

> lectins, phytates, prolamines and saponins.Yes, I am reading Robb Wolf's

>

> Paleo Solution. And those of you who read the book, know he hates RDs,

>

> because " RDs don't challenge conventional diet principles " , that he

> believes

>

> are not evidence based. The book states that humans can " tolerate " these

>

> anti nutrients and plug along, but that we really have not evolved to live

>

> on a 60% grain based diet, and that high nutrient density foods (meat,

>

> veggies, sat/0-3 fats) should contribute the majority of our kcals.

>

> The Paleo folks (yes I just joined a CrossFit gym) believe there are anti

>

> nutrients in dairy and legumes as well. The Paleo Diet (unprocessed foods,

>

> high nutrient density foods, high Omega 3 fat/sat fat) looks like this:

>

> About 30% protein - from grass feed animals

>

> About 60% fats- from meats, coconuts, avocados, olives, fish and fish oils

>

> About 10% carbs from veggies. Higher carbs, add more and fruit when working

>

> out more.

>

> Small amounts of nuts and seeds are OK, but their fat profile (higher in

>

> O-6) keeps them on the limit list.

>

> Low fructose fruits are ok, like berries, but fructose is also believed to

>

> be a neurotoxin, and a " food crack " for the average human.

>

> The worst possible diet, according to this camp is a high grain, high

>

> fructose, high Omega 6 diet, with corn oil, gluten and fructose being the

>

> major bad guys, and protein, saturated fats, O-3s and root/bulb veggies

>

> being the good guys.

>

> I am searching NIH and PubMed and not finding much at all discussing the

>

> dangers of these anti nutrients in the human food supply. I see some info

>

> about anti nutrients in soy, and data about gluten toxicity in Celiac dx,

>

> but not the general population.

>

> The Paleo Internet sites are full of information stating that most diseases

>

> (obesity, general fatigue, allergies, GI in tolerances, DM, etc) would

>

> disappear if grains, dairy and legumes are eliminated.

>

> Is anyone else reading this book?

>

> I would love to discuss all this conflicting information.

>

> Osowski MS, RD, LD

>

> Registered Dietitian

>

>

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But the French have higher stroke rates...

>

>

> MICHAEL POLLAN - In Defense of Food (excerpt, p9)

> " The scientists haven't tested the hypothesis yet, but I'm willing to bet

> that when they do they'll find an inverse correlation between the amount of

> time people spend worrying about nutrition and their overall health and

> happiness. This is , after all, implicit lesson of the French paradox,

> so-called not by the French (Quel paradoxe?)

> but by the American nutritionists, who can't fathom how a people who enjoy

> their food as much as the French do, and blithely eat so many nutrients

> deemed toxic by nutritionist, could have substantially lower rates of heart

> disease than we do on our elaborately engineered low-fat diets. Maybe its

> time we confronted the American paradox: a notably unhealthy population

> preoccupied with nutrition and diet and the idea of eating healthily " .

>

>

>

>

> >

>

> Looking for RD prospective regarding the hypothesis that all humans, not

>

> just those with an allergy or intolerance to gluten, should avoid gluten

> due

>

> to the presence of " anti nutrients " such as

>

> lectins, phytates, prolamines and saponins.Yes, I am reading Robb Wolf's

>

> Paleo Solution. And those of you who read the book, know he hates RDs,

>

> because " RDs don't challenge conventional diet principles " , that he

> believes

>

> are not evidence based. The book states that humans can " tolerate " these

>

> anti nutrients and plug along, but that we really have not evolved to live

>

> on a 60% grain based diet, and that high nutrient density foods (meat,

>

> veggies, sat/0-3 fats) should contribute the majority of our kcals.

>

> The Paleo folks (yes I just joined a CrossFit gym) believe there are anti

>

> nutrients in dairy and legumes as well. The Paleo Diet (unprocessed foods,

>

> high nutrient density foods, high Omega 3 fat/sat fat) looks like this:

>

> About 30% protein - from grass feed animals

>

> About 60% fats- from meats, coconuts, avocados, olives, fish and fish oils

>

> About 10% carbs from veggies. Higher carbs, add more and fruit when working

>

> out more.

>

> Small amounts of nuts and seeds are OK, but their fat profile (higher in

>

> O-6) keeps them on the limit list.

>

> Low fructose fruits are ok, like berries, but fructose is also believed to

>

> be a neurotoxin, and a " food crack " for the average human.

>

> The worst possible diet, according to this camp is a high grain, high

>

> fructose, high Omega 6 diet, with corn oil, gluten and fructose being the

>

> major bad guys, and protein, saturated fats, O-3s and root/bulb veggies

>

> being the good guys.

>

> I am searching NIH and PubMed and not finding much at all discussing the

>

> dangers of these anti nutrients in the human food supply. I see some info

>

> about anti nutrients in soy, and data about gluten toxicity in Celiac dx,

>

> but not the general population.

>

> The Paleo Internet sites are full of information stating that most diseases

>

> (obesity, general fatigue, allergies, GI in tolerances, DM, etc) would

>

> disappear if grains, dairy and legumes are eliminated.

>

> Is anyone else reading this book?

>

> I would love to discuss all this conflicting information.

>

> Osowski MS, RD, LD

>

> Registered Dietitian

>

>

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At my facility, we will not provide any diet not in the diet manual. The diet

manual was approved by our P & T committee as our guideline. Anything outside of

that is not approved, therefore not served. I guess I look at it this way, it

may become a legal issue if something untoward happens to the patient as a

result.

Cece

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>To: <rd-usa >

>

>

>

> We have a MD prescribing to this type of diet as it

> helped him cure his cancer. Even though the chemo

> may also of had a good help with that. Forces it on

> his surgical pt.s is the hospital. We provide as he

> orders but if the pt. balks we will intervene. Makes

> life miserable at times.

>

> Re: Paleo diet/ gluten free for

> everyone?

>

> Just interested, does he provide scientific

> references for all his theories?

> Thanks

>

> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 12:59 PM,

> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >

> > Looking for RD prospective regarding the

> hypothesis that all humans,

> > not just those with an allergy or intolerance to

> gluten, should avoid

> > gluten due to the presence of " anti nutrients "

> such as lectins,

> > phytates, prolamines and saponins.Yes, I am

> reading Robb Wolf's Paleo

> > Solution. And those of you who read the book, know

> he hates RDs,

> > because " RDs don't challenge conventional diet

> principles " , that he

> > believes are not evidence based. The book states

> that humans can

> > " tolerate " these anti nutrients and plug along,

> but that we really

> > have not evolved to live on a 60% grain based

> diet, and that high

> > nutrient density foods (meat, veggies, sat/0-3

> fats) should contribute the majority of our kcals.

> > The Paleo folks (yes I just joined a CrossFit gym)

> believe there are

> > anti nutrients in dairy and legumes as well. The

> Paleo Diet

> > (unprocessed foods, high nutrient density foods,

> high Omega 3 fat/sat fat) looks like this:

> > About 30% protein - from grass feed animals About

> 60% fats- from

> > meats, coconuts, avocados, olives, fish and fish

> oils About 10% carbs

> > from veggies. Higher carbs, add more and fruit

> when working out more.

> > Small amounts of nuts and seeds are OK, but their

> fat profile (higher

> > in

> > O-6) keeps them on the limit list.

> > Low fructose fruits are ok, like berries, but

> fructose is also

> > believed to be a neurotoxin, and a " food crack "

> for the average human.

> > The worst possible diet, according to this camp is

> a high grain, high

> > fructose, high Omega 6 diet, with corn oil, gluten

> and fructose being

> > the major bad guys, and protein, saturated fats,

> O-3s and root/bulb

> > veggies being the good guys.

> >

> > I am searching NIH and PubMed and not finding much

> at all discussing

> > the dangers of these anti nutrients in the human

> food supply. I see

> > some info about anti nutrients in soy, and data

> about gluten toxicity

> > in Celiac dx, but not the general population.

> > The Paleo Internet sites are full of information

> stating that most

> > diseases (obesity, general fatigue, allergies, GI

> in tolerances, DM,

> > etc) would disappear if grains, dairy and legumes

> are eliminated.

> >

> > Is anyone else reading this book?

> > I would love to discuss all this conflicting

> information.

> >

> > Osowski MS, RD, LD

> > Registered Dietitian

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

> >

> >

>

> --

> Ortiz, MS, RD

> *The FRUGAL Dietitian*

> <http://www.thefrugaldietitian.com>

> Check out my blog: mixture of deals and nutrition

> Groupon: $2 for Five Movie Rentals from Any

> Blockbuster Express in the US

> ($5 Value)

> <http://thefrugaldietitian.com/?p=17301>Plum

> District: (online

> deal) $10 for a Personalized (customized) Letter,

> Gift Package, and Special Bonus Photo from the

> Easter Bunny

> <http://thefrugaldietitian.com/?p=17296>Made

> my own " funny but real " movie: Me interviewing a

> " potential " Dietetic student

> <

>

> *Healthy Diet at any Age: We are NOT just looking

> *

>

> *at the years people have behind them but also the

> *

>

> *quality of the years ahead of them.*

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

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At the beginning of this century (funny to say that), we had a run of Atkins

Diet orders from our cardiologists.  Of course that is not an approved diet in

our facility so we would provide our Consistent Carb menu and allow the patient

to select. We would provide MNT/Educ for heart healthy (and carb controlled if

diabetic, but not teach Atkins).  Just kept reminding ourselves " this

fad too

shall pass " (and it eventually did).

Have not seen any Paleo requests in our hospital yet.

Holly

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Pediatric Dietitian, Diabetes Educator

Medical Nutrition Therapist, Las Vegas, NV

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Joint Base Balad, Iraq (Jan-Jul 2009)

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Sent: Fri, March 25, 2011 6:35:20 AM

Subject: RE: Paleo diet/ gluten free for everyone?

 

At my facility, we will not provide any diet not in the diet manual. The diet

manual was approved by our P & T committee as our guideline. Anything outside of

that is not approved, therefore not served. I guess I look at it this way, it

may become a legal issue if something untoward happens to the patient as a

result.

Cece

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>Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 11:36:53 -0600

>From: rd-usa (on behalf of )

>Subject: RE: Paleo diet/ gluten free for everyone?

>To: <rd-usa >

>

>

>

> We have a MD prescribing to this type of diet as it

> helped him cure his cancer. Even though the chemo

> may also of had a good help with that. Forces it on

> his surgical pt.s is the hospital. We provide as he

> orders but if the pt. balks we will intervene. Makes

> life miserable at times.

>

> Re: Paleo diet/ gluten free for

> everyone?

>

> Just interested, does he provide scientific

> references for all his theories?

> Thanks

>

> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 12:59 PM,

> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >

> > Looking for RD prospective regarding the

> hypothesis that all humans,

> > not just those with an allergy or intolerance to

> gluten, should avoid

> > gluten due to the presence of " anti nutrients "

> such as lectins,

> > phytates, prolamines and saponins.Yes, I am

> reading Robb Wolf's Paleo

> > Solution. And those of you who read the book, know

> he hates RDs,

> > because " RDs don't challenge conventional diet

> principles " , that he

> > believes are not evidence based. The book states

> that humans can

> > " tolerate " these anti nutrients and plug along,

> but that we really

> > have not evolved to live on a 60% grain based

> diet, and that high

> > nutrient density foods (meat, veggies, sat/0-3

> fats) should contribute the majority of our kcals.

> > The Paleo folks (yes I just joined a CrossFit gym)

> believe there are

> > anti nutrients in dairy and legumes as well. The

> Paleo Diet

> > (unprocessed foods, high nutrient density foods,

> high Omega 3 fat/sat fat) looks like this:

> > About 30% protein - from grass feed animals About

> 60% fats- from

> > meats, coconuts, avocados, olives, fish and fish

> oils About 10% carbs

> > from veggies. Higher carbs, add more and fruit

> when working out more.

> > Small amounts of nuts and seeds are OK, but their

> fat profile (higher

> > in

> > O-6) keeps them on the limit list.

> > Low fructose fruits are ok, like berries, but

> fructose is also

> > believed to be a neurotoxin, and a " food crack "

> for the average human.

> > The worst possible diet, according to this camp is

> a high grain, high

> > fructose, high Omega 6 diet, with corn oil, gluten

> and fructose being

> > the major bad guys, and protein, saturated fats,

> O-3s and root/bulb

> > veggies being the good guys.

> >

> > I am searching NIH and PubMed and not finding much

> at all discussing

> > the dangers of these anti nutrients in the human

> food supply. I see

> > some info about anti nutrients in soy, and data

> about gluten toxicity

> > in Celiac dx, but not the general population.

> > The Paleo Internet sites are full of information

> stating that most

> > diseases (obesity, general fatigue, allergies, GI

> in tolerances, DM,

> > etc) would disappear if grains, dairy and legumes

> are eliminated.

> >

> > Is anyone else reading this book?

> > I would love to discuss all this conflicting

> information.

> >

> > Osowski MS, RD, LD

> > Registered Dietitian

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

> >

> >

>

> --

> Ortiz, MS, RD

> *The FRUGAL Dietitian*

> <http://www.thefrugaldietitian.com>

> Check out my blog: mixture of deals and nutrition

> Groupon: $2 for Five Movie Rentals from Any

> Blockbuster Express in the US

> ($5 Value)

> <http://thefrugaldietitian.com/?p=17301>Plum

> District: (online

> deal) $10 for a Personalized (customized) Letter,

> Gift Package, and Special Bonus Photo from the

> Easter Bunny

> <http://thefrugaldietitian.com/?p=17296>Made

> my own " funny but real " movie: Me interviewing a

> " potential " Dietetic student

> <

>

> *Healthy Diet at any Age: We are NOT just looking

> *

>

> *at the years people have behind them but also the

> *

>

> *quality of the years ahead of them.*

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

> ------------------------------------

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I have patient who has autism and his mother has been " dietitian shopping " for

someone who will talk to her about the Paleo Diet and/or the Specific

Carbohydrate Diet. The funny thing is, she has a better idea of the in's and

out's of the diet(s) than I do.

My guess she is trying to get an RD to say it's " ok " to have her young son

follow this diet.

I have given her my opinion and a fellow RD recently asked me about a phone call

she had received about these diets and it ended up being the same mother, hence,

the " dietitian shopping " .

But I agree, there are liabilities and it is not in the NCM and I am not

comfortable promoting/teaching this particular diet(s).

>

>

> Looking for RD prospective regarding the hypothesis that all humans, not just

those with an allergy or intolerance to gluten, should avoid gluten due to the

presence of " anti nutrients " such as

> lectins, phytates, prolamines and saponins.Yes, I am reading Robb Wolf's Paleo

Solution. And those of you who read the book, know he hates RDs, because " RDs

don't challenge conventional diet principles " , that he believes are not evidence

based. The book states that humans can " tolerate " these anti nutrients and plug

along, but that we really have not evolved to live on a 60% grain based diet,

and that high nutrient density foods (meat, veggies, sat/0-3 fats) should

contribute the majority of our kcals.

> The Paleo folks (yes I just joined a CrossFit gym) believe there are anti

nutrients in dairy and legumes as well. The Paleo Diet (unprocessed foods, high

nutrient density foods, high Omega 3 fat/sat fat) looks like this:

> About 30% protein - from grass feed animals

> About 60% fats- from meats, coconuts, avocados, olives, fish and fish oils

> About 10% carbs from veggies. Higher carbs, add more and fruit when working

out more.

> Small amounts of nuts and seeds are OK, but their fat profile (higher in O-6)

keeps them on the limit list.

> Low fructose fruits are ok, like berries, but fructose is also believed to be

a neurotoxin, and a " food crack " for the average human.

> The worst possible diet, according to this camp is a high grain, high

fructose, high Omega 6 diet, with corn oil, gluten and fructose being the major

bad guys, and protein, saturated fats, O-3s and root/bulb veggies being the good

guys.

>

> I am searching NIH and PubMed and not finding much at all discussing the

dangers of these anti nutrients in the human food supply. I see some info about

anti nutrients in soy, and data about gluten toxicity in Celiac dx, but not the

general population.

> The Paleo Internet sites are full of information stating that most diseases

(obesity, general fatigue, allergies, GI in tolerances, DM, etc) would disappear

if grains, dairy and legumes are eliminated.

>

> Is anyone else reading this book?

> I would love to discuss all this conflicting information.

>

> Osowski MS, RD, LD

> Registered Dietitian

>

>

>

>

>

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I do think autistic spectrum people need a special diet but the Paleo is very

restrictive in balance of nutreients as well as food choices and the specific

carb diet is specific in some odd but not necessarily helpful ways. If there

are going to be restrictions let them be helpful ones. Referring the mother to

have specialized food sensitivity testing for her son would move food

restrictions into 'evidence based' -testing would need to be for intolerance

type sensitivities not just anaphylactic shock type of allergy testing.

If NCM had a diet that worked great but in the meantime kids have to eat. Make a

balanced elimination diet and slowly add stuff back in. Behavior improvements

and dis-improvements would likely be evident.

I am beginning to think my diet quirks are due to underlying autistic

spectrum/genetic defect (I am like my dad - smart but weird). I have been

reading about a tendency towards a similar set of digestive enzyme defects in

autism spectrum. Glutathione issues and reduced detoxification seems to be a

root problem. Extra B6, zinc and magnesium may help autistic spectrum as well as

avoiding gluten, casein, banana, tomato and other deadly nightshade family

foods (white potato, peppers, egg plant). Negative metabolites can have a

stimulating neural effect leading to craving of the food.

Kidd, Parris M.. " Autism, an extreme challenge to integrative medicine. Part II:

medical management. (Autism).(Brief Article). " Alternative Medicine Review.

Thorne Research Inc. 2002. HighBeam Research. 14 Mar. 2011

& lt;http://www.highbeam.com & gt;.

- this may not be PubMed but every food mentioned coincidentally were/are major

problem foods for me - partially explaining my difficulties with standard meal

planning - my gut feeling about gluten/dairy/tomato after my migraine years is a

big (polite) yuck. (For the grand prize name three standard entrees that don't

contain gluten, dairy and tomato).

lectins -roughly - proteins that can bind with essential sugars in cell

coatings - can cause coagulating protein clumps in tissues in sensitive people

- those who are not breaking them down properly

Eat Right 4 Your Type - Dr D'Adamo goes into a lot of detail about lectins - I

didn't have LEAP testing to help guide me and his food lists helped me identify

a few triggers after I got over my initial rxn of what silly nonsense and

actually read it. He took it a little far but there was some useful info.

The dairy protein antigen is very similar to the B blood type antigen and anyone

who has sensitivity issues and O, A or AB blood types may be overly reactive to

dairy protein.

http://www.interchim.fr/ft/M/MS902z.pdf *a list of lectins - legumes have

differing lectins - not all would be problems to anyone specifically

+++Crisp - foods to win an autistic appetite - apple, carrot sticks, radish,

Lundberg brand rice cakes, popcorn, celery, frozen green peas - lightly warmed,

corn on the cob, dark chocolate

R Vajda, R.D.

www.GingerJens.com - blog article " Autistic kids wash up happier in Epsom salt

baths " -

PS: entree question possibilities include: stir fry, polenta or corn tortilla

dishes with no tomato sides and variations of meat, squash/sweet potato, and a

vegetable - hold the dinner roll

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To: rd-usa

Sent: Sat, March 26, 2011 11:06:11 PM

Subject: Re: Paleo diet/ gluten free for everyone?

I have patient who has autism and his mother has been " dietitian shopping " for

someone who will talk to her about the Paleo Diet and/or the Specific

Carbohydrate Diet. The funny thing is, she has a better idea of the in's and

out's of the diet(s) than I do.

My guess she is trying to get an RD to say it's " ok " to have her young son

follow this diet.

I have given her my opinion and a fellow RD recently asked me about a phone call

she had received about these diets and it ended up being the same mother, hence,

the " dietitian shopping " .

But I agree, there are liabilities and it is not in the NCM and I am not

comfortable promoting/teaching this particular diet(s).

>

>

> Looking for RD prospective regarding the hypothesis that all humans, not just

>those with an allergy or intolerance to gluten, should avoid gluten due to the

>presence of " anti nutrients " such as

>

> lectins, phytates, prolamines and saponins.Yes, I am reading Robb Wolf's Paleo

>Solution. And those of you who read the book, know he hates RDs, because " RDs

>don't challenge conventional diet principles " , that he believes are not

evidence

>based. The book states that humans can " tolerate " these anti nutrients and

plug

>along, but that we really have not evolved to live on a 60% grain based diet,

>and that high nutrient density foods (meat, veggies, sat/0-3 fats) should

>contribute the majority of our kcals.

> The Paleo folks (yes I just joined a CrossFit gym) believe there are anti

>nutrients in dairy and legumes as well. The Paleo Diet (unprocessed foods, high

>nutrient density foods, high Omega 3 fat/sat fat) looks like this:

> About 30% protein - from grass feed animals

> About 60% fats- from meats, coconuts, avocados, olives, fish and fish oils

> About 10% carbs from veggies. Higher carbs, add more and fruit when working

>out more.

> Small amounts of nuts and seeds are OK, but their fat profile (higher in O-6)

>keeps them on the limit list.

>

> Low fructose fruits are ok, like berries, but fructose is also believed to be

a

>neurotoxin, and a " food crack " for the average human.

>

> The worst possible diet, according to this camp is a high grain, high

fructose,

>high Omega 6 diet, with corn oil, gluten and fructose being the major bad guys,

>and protein, saturated fats, O-3s and root/bulb veggies being the good guys.

>

>

> I am searching NIH and PubMed and not finding much at all discussing the

>dangers of these anti nutrients in the human food supply. I see some info about

>anti nutrients in soy, and data about gluten toxicity in Celiac dx, but not

the

>general population.

>

> The Paleo Internet sites are full of information stating that most diseases

>(obesity, general fatigue, allergies, GI in tolerances, DM, etc) would

disappear

>if grains, dairy and legumes are eliminated.

>

>

> Is anyone else reading this book?

> I would love to discuss all this conflicting information.

>

> Osowski MS, RD, LD

> Registered Dietitian

>

>

>

>

>

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I do think autistic spectrum people need a special diet but the Paleo is very

restrictive in balance of nutreients as well as food choices and the specific

carb diet is specific in some odd but not necessarily helpful ways. If there

are going to be restrictions let them be helpful ones. Referring the mother to

have specialized food sensitivity testing for her son would move food

restrictions into 'evidence based' -testing would need to be for intolerance

type sensitivities not just anaphylactic shock type of allergy testing.

If NCM had a diet that worked great but in the meantime kids have to eat. Make a

balanced elimination diet and slowly add stuff back in. Behavior improvements

and dis-improvements would likely be evident.

I am beginning to think my diet quirks are due to underlying autistic

spectrum/genetic defect (I am like my dad - smart but weird). I have been

reading about a tendency towards a similar set of digestive enzyme defects in

autism spectrum. Glutathione issues and reduced detoxification seems to be a

root problem. Extra B6, zinc and magnesium may help autistic spectrum as well as

avoiding gluten, casein, banana, tomato and other deadly nightshade family

foods (white potato, peppers, egg plant). Negative metabolites can have a

stimulating neural effect leading to craving of the food.

Kidd, Parris M.. " Autism, an extreme challenge to integrative medicine. Part II:

medical management. (Autism).(Brief Article). " Alternative Medicine Review.

Thorne Research Inc. 2002. HighBeam Research. 14 Mar. 2011

& lt;http://www.highbeam.com & gt;.

- this may not be PubMed but every food mentioned coincidentally were/are major

problem foods for me - partially explaining my difficulties with standard meal

planning - my gut feeling about gluten/dairy/tomato after my migraine years is a

big (polite) yuck. (For the grand prize name three standard entrees that don't

contain gluten, dairy and tomato).

lectins -roughly - proteins that can bind with essential sugars in cell

coatings - can cause coagulating protein clumps in tissues in sensitive people

- those who are not breaking them down properly

Eat Right 4 Your Type - Dr D'Adamo goes into a lot of detail about lectins - I

didn't have LEAP testing to help guide me and his food lists helped me identify

a few triggers after I got over my initial rxn of what silly nonsense and

actually read it. He took it a little far but there was some useful info.

The dairy protein antigen is very similar to the B blood type antigen and anyone

who has sensitivity issues and O, A or AB blood types may be overly reactive to

dairy protein.

http://www.interchim.fr/ft/M/MS902z.pdf *a list of lectins - legumes have

differing lectins - not all would be problems to anyone specifically

+++Crisp - foods to win an autistic appetite - apple, carrot sticks, radish,

Lundberg brand rice cakes, popcorn, celery, frozen green peas - lightly warmed,

corn on the cob, dark chocolate

R Vajda, R.D.

www.GingerJens.com - blog article " Autistic kids wash up happier in Epsom salt

baths " -

PS: entree question possibilities include: stir fry, polenta or corn tortilla

dishes with no tomato sides and variations of meat, squash/sweet potato, and a

vegetable - hold the dinner roll

________________________________

To: rd-usa

Sent: Sat, March 26, 2011 11:06:11 PM

Subject: Re: Paleo diet/ gluten free for everyone?

I have patient who has autism and his mother has been " dietitian shopping " for

someone who will talk to her about the Paleo Diet and/or the Specific

Carbohydrate Diet. The funny thing is, she has a better idea of the in's and

out's of the diet(s) than I do.

My guess she is trying to get an RD to say it's " ok " to have her young son

follow this diet.

I have given her my opinion and a fellow RD recently asked me about a phone call

she had received about these diets and it ended up being the same mother, hence,

the " dietitian shopping " .

But I agree, there are liabilities and it is not in the NCM and I am not

comfortable promoting/teaching this particular diet(s).

>

>

> Looking for RD prospective regarding the hypothesis that all humans, not just

>those with an allergy or intolerance to gluten, should avoid gluten due to the

>presence of " anti nutrients " such as

>

> lectins, phytates, prolamines and saponins.Yes, I am reading Robb Wolf's Paleo

>Solution. And those of you who read the book, know he hates RDs, because " RDs

>don't challenge conventional diet principles " , that he believes are not

evidence

>based. The book states that humans can " tolerate " these anti nutrients and

plug

>along, but that we really have not evolved to live on a 60% grain based diet,

>and that high nutrient density foods (meat, veggies, sat/0-3 fats) should

>contribute the majority of our kcals.

> The Paleo folks (yes I just joined a CrossFit gym) believe there are anti

>nutrients in dairy and legumes as well. The Paleo Diet (unprocessed foods, high

>nutrient density foods, high Omega 3 fat/sat fat) looks like this:

> About 30% protein - from grass feed animals

> About 60% fats- from meats, coconuts, avocados, olives, fish and fish oils

> About 10% carbs from veggies. Higher carbs, add more and fruit when working

>out more.

> Small amounts of nuts and seeds are OK, but their fat profile (higher in O-6)

>keeps them on the limit list.

>

> Low fructose fruits are ok, like berries, but fructose is also believed to be

a

>neurotoxin, and a " food crack " for the average human.

>

> The worst possible diet, according to this camp is a high grain, high

fructose,

>high Omega 6 diet, with corn oil, gluten and fructose being the major bad guys,

>and protein, saturated fats, O-3s and root/bulb veggies being the good guys.

>

>

> I am searching NIH and PubMed and not finding much at all discussing the

>dangers of these anti nutrients in the human food supply. I see some info about

>anti nutrients in soy, and data about gluten toxicity in Celiac dx, but not

the

>general population.

>

> The Paleo Internet sites are full of information stating that most diseases

>(obesity, general fatigue, allergies, GI in tolerances, DM, etc) would

disappear

>if grains, dairy and legumes are eliminated.

>

>

> Is anyone else reading this book?

> I would love to discuss all this conflicting information.

>

> Osowski MS, RD, LD

> Registered Dietitian

>

>

>

>

>

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I haven´t read this book but I am curious about his " amazing "

theories.

What he considers anti-nutrients? Food compounds that interfere with

nutrient absorption in the gut? Because iron can be an anti-nutrient for

calcium for example. Zinc also can decrease calcium absorption, oxalates

interfere with the absorption of plenty of nutrients.Or just food

compounds that can trigger an immune response?

According to the references that I have Palaeolithic humans didn't have

any ingestion of fat of 60%. In the latest references that I read (and

others show similar numbers) this was the nutrient distribution in the

palaeolithic diet:

- Protein 34%

- Fat- 21%

- Carbohydrate- 21%

- P: S ratio 1.4

- Fibre (g/day)- 46g

- Calcium (mg/day)- 1580

- Vitamin C (mg/day): 400

- Sodium (mg/day): 690

" Palaeolithic man was long considered to have been primarily a hunter

therefore to have obtained a high proportion of his diet from meat. This

may have been true until the period shortly before the dawn of

agriculture about 10.000 BC when overhunting, climate changes and

population growth brought about a shift to subsistence activities with

way of life not unlike that of few modern hunter-gathers who remain

relative untouched. The dietary intake of some of these societies has

been studied in recent years and in general tend to derive between 50

and 80% by weight from plants "

in A colour atlas and text of diet- related disorders.

In one recent nutrigenomics conference that I went it was discussed that

the " protective " effect of certain type of traditional diet like

Mediterranean, Japanese or the one that Eskimos do probably are only

protective for those populations because of different genetic

expressions (mind that the genetic expression is something different

from the gene pool). Eskimos and similar population living in the far

north diets are very different, 10% or less of their food comes from

vegetable in origin.

Fructose is only harmfull (and I read a lot on this when I was reviewing

the dietary recommendations for hyperuricemia) when ingested in large

amounts as added sugar which it seams a lot of food there in US have it.

Also fructose absorption in fruits depends on the fructose/glucose

ratio. Does he explain how fructose acts like a neurotoxin? From what I

know only glucose can cross blood/brain barrier.

Cátia Borges, nutricionista

ACES Alto-Tâmega e Barroso

Centro de Saúde Chaves 1

>

>

> Looking for RD prospective regarding the hypothesis that all humans,

not just those with an allergy or intolerance to gluten, should avoid

gluten due to the presence of " anti nutrients " such as

> lectins, phytates, prolamines and saponins.Yes, I am reading Robb

Wolf's Paleo Solution. And those of you who read the book, know he hates

RDs, because " RDs don't challenge conventional diet principles " , that he

believes are not evidence based. The book states that humans can

" tolerate " these anti nutrients and plug along, but that we really have

not evolved to live on a 60% grain based diet, and that high nutrient

density foods (meat, veggies, sat/0-3 fats) should contribute the

majority of our kcals.

> The Paleo folks (yes I just joined a CrossFit gym) believe there are

anti nutrients in dairy and legumes as well. The Paleo Diet (unprocessed

foods, high nutrient density foods, high Omega 3 fat/sat fat) looks like

this:

> About 30% protein - from grass feed animals

> About 60% fats- from meats, coconuts, avocados, olives, fish and fish

oils

> About 10% carbs from veggies. Higher carbs, add more and fruit when

working out more.

> Small amounts of nuts and seeds are OK, but their fat profile (higher

in O-6) keeps them on the limit list.

> Low fructose fruits are ok, like berries, but fructose is also

believed to be a neurotoxin, and a " food crack " for the average human.

> The worst possible diet, according to this camp is a high grain, high

fructose, high Omega 6 diet, with corn oil, gluten and fructose being

the major bad guys, and protein, saturated fats, O-3s and root/bulb

veggies being the good guys.

>

> I am searching NIH and PubMed and not finding much at all discussing

the dangers of these anti nutrients in the human food supply. I see some

info about anti nutrients in soy, and data about gluten toxicity in

Celiac dx, but not the general population.

> The Paleo Internet sites are full of information stating that most

diseases (obesity, general fatigue, allergies, GI in tolerances, DM,

etc) would disappear if grains, dairy and legumes are eliminated.

>

> Is anyone else reading this book?

> I would love to discuss all this conflicting information.

>

> Osowski MS, RD, LD

> Registered Dietitian

>

>

>

>

>

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I haven´t read this book but I am curious about his " amazing "

theories.

What he considers anti-nutrients? Food compounds that interfere with

nutrient absorption in the gut? Because iron can be an anti-nutrient for

calcium for example. Zinc also can decrease calcium absorption, oxalates

interfere with the absorption of plenty of nutrients.Or just food

compounds that can trigger an immune response?

According to the references that I have Palaeolithic humans didn't have

any ingestion of fat of 60%. In the latest references that I read (and

others show similar numbers) this was the nutrient distribution in the

palaeolithic diet:

- Protein 34%

- Fat- 21%

- Carbohydrate- 21%

- P: S ratio 1.4

- Fibre (g/day)- 46g

- Calcium (mg/day)- 1580

- Vitamin C (mg/day): 400

- Sodium (mg/day): 690

" Palaeolithic man was long considered to have been primarily a hunter

therefore to have obtained a high proportion of his diet from meat. This

may have been true until the period shortly before the dawn of

agriculture about 10.000 BC when overhunting, climate changes and

population growth brought about a shift to subsistence activities with

way of life not unlike that of few modern hunter-gathers who remain

relative untouched. The dietary intake of some of these societies has

been studied in recent years and in general tend to derive between 50

and 80% by weight from plants "

in A colour atlas and text of diet- related disorders.

In one recent nutrigenomics conference that I went it was discussed that

the " protective " effect of certain type of traditional diet like

Mediterranean, Japanese or the one that Eskimos do probably are only

protective for those populations because of different genetic

expressions (mind that the genetic expression is something different

from the gene pool). Eskimos and similar population living in the far

north diets are very different, 10% or less of their food comes from

vegetable in origin.

Fructose is only harmfull (and I read a lot on this when I was reviewing

the dietary recommendations for hyperuricemia) when ingested in large

amounts as added sugar which it seams a lot of food there in US have it.

Also fructose absorption in fruits depends on the fructose/glucose

ratio. Does he explain how fructose acts like a neurotoxin? From what I

know only glucose can cross blood/brain barrier.

Cátia Borges, nutricionista

ACES Alto-Tâmega e Barroso

Centro de Saúde Chaves 1

>

>

> Looking for RD prospective regarding the hypothesis that all humans,

not just those with an allergy or intolerance to gluten, should avoid

gluten due to the presence of " anti nutrients " such as

> lectins, phytates, prolamines and saponins.Yes, I am reading Robb

Wolf's Paleo Solution. And those of you who read the book, know he hates

RDs, because " RDs don't challenge conventional diet principles " , that he

believes are not evidence based. The book states that humans can

" tolerate " these anti nutrients and plug along, but that we really have

not evolved to live on a 60% grain based diet, and that high nutrient

density foods (meat, veggies, sat/0-3 fats) should contribute the

majority of our kcals.

> The Paleo folks (yes I just joined a CrossFit gym) believe there are

anti nutrients in dairy and legumes as well. The Paleo Diet (unprocessed

foods, high nutrient density foods, high Omega 3 fat/sat fat) looks like

this:

> About 30% protein - from grass feed animals

> About 60% fats- from meats, coconuts, avocados, olives, fish and fish

oils

> About 10% carbs from veggies. Higher carbs, add more and fruit when

working out more.

> Small amounts of nuts and seeds are OK, but their fat profile (higher

in O-6) keeps them on the limit list.

> Low fructose fruits are ok, like berries, but fructose is also

believed to be a neurotoxin, and a " food crack " for the average human.

> The worst possible diet, according to this camp is a high grain, high

fructose, high Omega 6 diet, with corn oil, gluten and fructose being

the major bad guys, and protein, saturated fats, O-3s and root/bulb

veggies being the good guys.

>

> I am searching NIH and PubMed and not finding much at all discussing

the dangers of these anti nutrients in the human food supply. I see some

info about anti nutrients in soy, and data about gluten toxicity in

Celiac dx, but not the general population.

> The Paleo Internet sites are full of information stating that most

diseases (obesity, general fatigue, allergies, GI in tolerances, DM,

etc) would disappear if grains, dairy and legumes are eliminated.

>

> Is anyone else reading this book?

> I would love to discuss all this conflicting information.

>

> Osowski MS, RD, LD

> Registered Dietitian

>

>

>

>

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The nutrient composition listed below can't be right because Pro, Carb & Fat

only add up to 76% calories.

Diane Preves, M.S., R.D.

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Re: Paleo diet/ gluten free for everyone?

I haven´t read this book but I am curious about his " amazing "

theories.

What he considers anti-nutrients? Food compounds that interfere with

nutrient absorption in the gut? Because iron can be an anti-nutrient for

calcium for example. Zinc also can decrease calcium absorption, oxalates

interfere with the absorption of plenty of nutrients.Or just food

compounds that can trigger an immune response?

According to the references that I have Palaeolithic humans didn't have

any ingestion of fat of 60%. In the latest references that I read (and

others show similar numbers) this was the nutrient distribution in the

palaeolithic diet:

- Protein 34%

- Fat- 21%

- Carbohydrate- 21%

- P: S ratio 1.4

- Fibre (g/day)- 46g

- Calcium (mg/day)- 1580

- Vitamin C (mg/day): 400

- Sodium (mg/day): 690

" Palaeolithic man was long considered to have been primarily a hunter

therefore to have obtained a high proportion of his diet from meat. This

may have been true until the period shortly before the dawn of

agriculture about 10.000 BC when overhunting, climate changes and

population growth brought about a shift to subsistence activities with

way of life not unlike that of few modern hunter-gathers who remain

relative untouched. The dietary intake of some of these societies has

been studied in recent years and in general tend to derive between 50

and 80% by weight from plants "

in A colour atlas and text of diet- related disorders.

In one recent nutrigenomics conference that I went it was discussed that

the " protective " effect of certain type of traditional diet like

Mediterranean, Japanese or the one that Eskimos do probably are only

protective for those populations because of different genetic

expressions (mind that the genetic expression is something different

from the gene pool). Eskimos and similar population living in the far

north diets are very different, 10% or less of their food comes from

vegetable in origin.

Fructose is only harmfull (and I read a lot on this when I was reviewing

the dietary recommendations for hyperuricemia) when ingested in large

amounts as added sugar which it seams a lot of food there in US have it.

Also fructose absorption in fruits depends on the fructose/glucose

ratio. Does he explain how fructose acts like a neurotoxin? From what I

know only glucose can cross blood/brain barrier.

Cátia Borges, nutricionista

ACES Alto-Tâmega e Barroso

Centro de Saúde Chaves 1

>

>

> Looking for RD prospective regarding the hypothesis that all humans,

not just those with an allergy or intolerance to gluten, should avoid

gluten due to the presence of " anti nutrients " such as

> lectins, phytates, prolamines and saponins.Yes, I am reading Robb

Wolf's Paleo Solution. And those of you who read the book, know he hates

RDs, because " RDs don't challenge conventional diet principles " , that he

believes are not evidence based. The book states that humans can

" tolerate " these anti nutrients and plug along, but that we really have

not evolved to live on a 60% grain based diet, and that high nutrient

density foods (meat, veggies, sat/0-3 fats) should contribute the

majority of our kcals.

> The Paleo folks (yes I just joined a CrossFit gym) believe there are

anti nutrients in dairy and legumes as well. The Paleo Diet (unprocessed

foods, high nutrient density foods, high Omega 3 fat/sat fat) looks like

this:

> About 30% protein - from grass feed animals

> About 60% fats- from meats, coconuts, avocados, olives, fish and fish

oils

> About 10% carbs from veggies. Higher carbs, add more and fruit when

working out more.

> Small amounts of nuts and seeds are OK, but their fat profile (higher

in O-6) keeps them on the limit list.

> Low fructose fruits are ok, like berries, but fructose is also

believed to be a neurotoxin, and a " food crack " for the average human.

> The worst possible diet, according to this camp is a high grain, high

fructose, high Omega 6 diet, with corn oil, gluten and fructose being

the major bad guys, and protein, saturated fats, O-3s and root/bulb

veggies being the good guys.

>

> I am searching NIH and PubMed and not finding much at all discussing

the dangers of these anti nutrients in the human food supply. I see some

info about anti nutrients in soy, and data about gluten toxicity in

Celiac dx, but not the general population.

> The Paleo Internet sites are full of information stating that most

diseases (obesity, general fatigue, allergies, GI in tolerances, DM,

etc) would disappear if grains, dairy and legumes are eliminated.

>

> Is anyone else reading this book?

> I would love to discuss all this conflicting information.

>

> Osowski MS, RD, LD

> Registered Dietitian

>

>

>

>

>

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Sorry typo mistake, this is the correct distribution:

- Protein 34%

- Fat- 21%

- Carbohydrate- 45%

- P: S ratio 1.4

- Fibre (g/day)- 46g

- Calcium (mg/day)- 1580

- Vitamin C (mg/day): 400

- Sodium (mg/day): 690

> >

> >

> > Looking for RD prospective regarding the hypothesis that all humans,

> not just those with an allergy or intolerance to gluten, should avoid

> gluten due to the presence of " anti nutrients " such as

> > lectins, phytates, prolamines and saponins.Yes, I am reading Robb

> Wolf's Paleo Solution. And those of you who read the book, know he hates

> RDs, because " RDs don't challenge conventional diet principles " , that he

> believes are not evidence based. The book states that humans can

> " tolerate " these anti nutrients and plug along, but that we really have

> not evolved to live on a 60% grain based diet, and that high nutrient

> density foods (meat, veggies, sat/0-3 fats) should contribute the

> majority of our kcals.

> > The Paleo folks (yes I just joined a CrossFit gym) believe there are

> anti nutrients in dairy and legumes as well. The Paleo Diet (unprocessed

> foods, high nutrient density foods, high Omega 3 fat/sat fat) looks like

> this:

> > About 30% protein - from grass feed animals

> > About 60% fats- from meats, coconuts, avocados, olives, fish and fish

> oils

> > About 10% carbs from veggies. Higher carbs, add more and fruit when

> working out more.

> > Small amounts of nuts and seeds are OK, but their fat profile (higher

> in O-6) keeps them on the limit list.

> > Low fructose fruits are ok, like berries, but fructose is also

> believed to be a neurotoxin, and a " food crack " for the average human.

> > The worst possible diet, according to this camp is a high grain, high

> fructose, high Omega 6 diet, with corn oil, gluten and fructose being

> the major bad guys, and protein, saturated fats, O-3s and root/bulb

> veggies being the good guys.

> >

> > I am searching NIH and PubMed and not finding much at all discussing

> the dangers of these anti nutrients in the human food supply. I see some

> info about anti nutrients in soy, and data about gluten toxicity in

> Celiac dx, but not the general population.

> > The Paleo Internet sites are full of information stating that most

> diseases (obesity, general fatigue, allergies, GI in tolerances, DM,

> etc) would disappear if grains, dairy and legumes are eliminated.

> >

> > Is anyone else reading this book?

> > I would love to discuss all this conflicting information.

> >

> > Osowski MS, RD, LD

> > Registered Dietitian

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Sorry typo mistake, this is the correct distribution:

- Protein 34%

- Fat- 21%

- Carbohydrate- 45%

- P: S ratio 1.4

- Fibre (g/day)- 46g

- Calcium (mg/day)- 1580

- Vitamin C (mg/day): 400

- Sodium (mg/day): 690

> >

> >

> > Looking for RD prospective regarding the hypothesis that all humans,

> not just those with an allergy or intolerance to gluten, should avoid

> gluten due to the presence of " anti nutrients " such as

> > lectins, phytates, prolamines and saponins.Yes, I am reading Robb

> Wolf's Paleo Solution. And those of you who read the book, know he hates

> RDs, because " RDs don't challenge conventional diet principles " , that he

> believes are not evidence based. The book states that humans can

> " tolerate " these anti nutrients and plug along, but that we really have

> not evolved to live on a 60% grain based diet, and that high nutrient

> density foods (meat, veggies, sat/0-3 fats) should contribute the

> majority of our kcals.

> > The Paleo folks (yes I just joined a CrossFit gym) believe there are

> anti nutrients in dairy and legumes as well. The Paleo Diet (unprocessed

> foods, high nutrient density foods, high Omega 3 fat/sat fat) looks like

> this:

> > About 30% protein - from grass feed animals

> > About 60% fats- from meats, coconuts, avocados, olives, fish and fish

> oils

> > About 10% carbs from veggies. Higher carbs, add more and fruit when

> working out more.

> > Small amounts of nuts and seeds are OK, but their fat profile (higher

> in O-6) keeps them on the limit list.

> > Low fructose fruits are ok, like berries, but fructose is also

> believed to be a neurotoxin, and a " food crack " for the average human.

> > The worst possible diet, according to this camp is a high grain, high

> fructose, high Omega 6 diet, with corn oil, gluten and fructose being

> the major bad guys, and protein, saturated fats, O-3s and root/bulb

> veggies being the good guys.

> >

> > I am searching NIH and PubMed and not finding much at all discussing

> the dangers of these anti nutrients in the human food supply. I see some

> info about anti nutrients in soy, and data about gluten toxicity in

> Celiac dx, but not the general population.

> > The Paleo Internet sites are full of information stating that most

> diseases (obesity, general fatigue, allergies, GI in tolerances, DM,

> etc) would disappear if grains, dairy and legumes are eliminated.

> >

> > Is anyone else reading this book?

> > I would love to discuss all this conflicting information.

> >

> > Osowski MS, RD, LD

> > Registered Dietitian

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Ha ... good critique Debra!

I'm not a big fan of the paleo diet.

Michal Hogan, RD, LD, CLT

NUTRITIONRESULTS.COM

Helping patients, doctors and dietitians with the serious business of

helping folks with IBS, fibromyalgia, migraine and other effects of delayed

food hypersensitivities

In a message dated 4/7/2011 2:46:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

dboardl@... writes:

there is much evidence that alcohol has been consumed for literally

thousands of years - not sure how that one made the list. here is a good, well

documented history of alcohol

_http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/Controversies/1114796842.html_

(http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/Controversies/1114796842.html)

and there is not ONE paleo diet - human beings don't have big teeth or run

fast - they learned to eat what was available

Debra Boardley

University of Toledo

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Ha ... good critique Debra!

I'm not a big fan of the paleo diet.

Michal Hogan, RD, LD, CLT

NUTRITIONRESULTS.COM

Helping patients, doctors and dietitians with the serious business of

helping folks with IBS, fibromyalgia, migraine and other effects of delayed

food hypersensitivities

In a message dated 4/7/2011 2:46:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

dboardl@... writes:

there is much evidence that alcohol has been consumed for literally

thousands of years - not sure how that one made the list. here is a good, well

documented history of alcohol

_http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/Controversies/1114796842.html_

(http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/Controversies/1114796842.html)

and there is not ONE paleo diet - human beings don't have big teeth or run

fast - they learned to eat what was available

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University of Toledo

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Ha! As I thought . . . thanks for the composition.

Diane

Re: Paleo diet/ gluten free for everyone?

Sorry typo mistake, this is the correct distribution:

- Protein 34%

- Fat- 21%

- Carbohydrate- 45%

- P: S ratio 1.4

- Fibre (g/day)- 46g

- Calcium (mg/day)- 1580

- Vitamin C (mg/day): 400

- Sodium (mg/day): 690

> >

> >

> > Looking for RD prospective regarding the hypothesis that all humans,

> not just those with an allergy or intolerance to gluten, should avoid

> gluten due to the presence of " anti nutrients " such as

> > lectins, phytates, prolamines and saponins.Yes, I am reading Robb

> Wolf's Paleo Solution. And those of you who read the book, know he hates

> RDs, because " RDs don't challenge conventional diet principles " , that he

> believes are not evidence based. The book states that humans can

> " tolerate " these anti nutrients and plug along, but that we really have

> not evolved to live on a 60% grain based diet, and that high nutrient

> density foods (meat, veggies, sat/0-3 fats) should contribute the

> majority of our kcals.

> > The Paleo folks (yes I just joined a CrossFit gym) believe there are

> anti nutrients in dairy and legumes as well. The Paleo Diet (unprocessed

> foods, high nutrient density foods, high Omega 3 fat/sat fat) looks like

> this:

> > About 30% protein - from grass feed animals

> > About 60% fats- from meats, coconuts, avocados, olives, fish and fish

> oils

> > About 10% carbs from veggies. Higher carbs, add more and fruit when

> working out more.

> > Small amounts of nuts and seeds are OK, but their fat profile (higher

> in O-6) keeps them on the limit list.

> > Low fructose fruits are ok, like berries, but fructose is also

> believed to be a neurotoxin, and a " food crack " for the average human.

> > The worst possible diet, according to this camp is a high grain, high

> fructose, high Omega 6 diet, with corn oil, gluten and fructose being

> the major bad guys, and protein, saturated fats, O-3s and root/bulb

> veggies being the good guys.

> >

> > I am searching NIH and PubMed and not finding much at all discussing

> the dangers of these anti nutrients in the human food supply. I see some

> info about anti nutrients in soy, and data about gluten toxicity in

> Celiac dx, but not the general population.

> > The Paleo Internet sites are full of information stating that most

> diseases (obesity, general fatigue, allergies, GI in tolerances, DM,

> etc) would disappear if grains, dairy and legumes are eliminated.

> >

> > Is anyone else reading this book?

> > I would love to discuss all this conflicting information.

> >

> > Osowski MS, RD, LD

> > Registered Dietitian

> >

> >

> >

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Ha! As I thought . . . thanks for the composition.

Diane

Re: Paleo diet/ gluten free for everyone?

Sorry typo mistake, this is the correct distribution:

- Protein 34%

- Fat- 21%

- Carbohydrate- 45%

- P: S ratio 1.4

- Fibre (g/day)- 46g

- Calcium (mg/day)- 1580

- Vitamin C (mg/day): 400

- Sodium (mg/day): 690

> >

> >

> > Looking for RD prospective regarding the hypothesis that all humans,

> not just those with an allergy or intolerance to gluten, should avoid

> gluten due to the presence of " anti nutrients " such as

> > lectins, phytates, prolamines and saponins.Yes, I am reading Robb

> Wolf's Paleo Solution. And those of you who read the book, know he hates

> RDs, because " RDs don't challenge conventional diet principles " , that he

> believes are not evidence based. The book states that humans can

> " tolerate " these anti nutrients and plug along, but that we really have

> not evolved to live on a 60% grain based diet, and that high nutrient

> density foods (meat, veggies, sat/0-3 fats) should contribute the

> majority of our kcals.

> > The Paleo folks (yes I just joined a CrossFit gym) believe there are

> anti nutrients in dairy and legumes as well. The Paleo Diet (unprocessed

> foods, high nutrient density foods, high Omega 3 fat/sat fat) looks like

> this:

> > About 30% protein - from grass feed animals

> > About 60% fats- from meats, coconuts, avocados, olives, fish and fish

> oils

> > About 10% carbs from veggies. Higher carbs, add more and fruit when

> working out more.

> > Small amounts of nuts and seeds are OK, but their fat profile (higher

> in O-6) keeps them on the limit list.

> > Low fructose fruits are ok, like berries, but fructose is also

> believed to be a neurotoxin, and a " food crack " for the average human.

> > The worst possible diet, according to this camp is a high grain, high

> fructose, high Omega 6 diet, with corn oil, gluten and fructose being

> the major bad guys, and protein, saturated fats, O-3s and root/bulb

> veggies being the good guys.

> >

> > I am searching NIH and PubMed and not finding much at all discussing

> the dangers of these anti nutrients in the human food supply. I see some

> info about anti nutrients in soy, and data about gluten toxicity in

> Celiac dx, but not the general population.

> > The Paleo Internet sites are full of information stating that most

> diseases (obesity, general fatigue, allergies, GI in tolerances, DM,

> etc) would disappear if grains, dairy and legumes are eliminated.

> >

> > Is anyone else reading this book?

> > I would love to discuss all this conflicting information.

> >

> > Osowski MS, RD, LD

> > Registered Dietitian

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Do you understand the scientific research behind the USDA guidelines for a

45-65% C, 10-35% P and 20-35% F diet that directs folks to high fiber grains and

trans fat free, very low sat fat, lean proteins?

Robb Wolf, and other researchers present a lot of studies to defend his

positions that are counter to the USDA guidelines. Is he off the mark?

He predicts there will be class action lawsuits against endos and cardiologists

and RDs who teach the USDA standard diet recommendations despite all the real

science that negates the USDA diet composition. He states it is criminal to

teach DM patients to eat refined bread with fiber added back in up to 65% of

total kcals. And teaching heart patients to consume a low sat fat, low chol

diet is not supported be the research, and that folks should sue healthy

professionals who accept the status quo without understanding the real research.

These are three of the research pieces that are obtainable on the web that

counter the USDA guidelines.

Doctor Lustig's Sugar the Bitter Truth

Google or Utube this Pediatric Endo's 1 hour lecture w slides proposing that

fructose (not dietary fat) is causing obesity.

Tom Naughton's Fat Head documentary that debunks the " Lipid Hypothesis " started

by Ancel Keyes and claims that Lipitor and a low fat diet are not protective

against heart disease, while a diet that includes saturated fat and anti

inflammatory foods is. Again, viewable on the web.

And here is a summary and the reference to a recent peer review journal article

explaining that foods from the Paleo period are inherently more healthy than

the processed standard American diet widely consumed today.

The western diet and lifestyle and diseases of civilization

Research Reports in Clinical Cardiology 2011:2

Table 4 Foods consumed during the Paleolithic Era14,64,65,154,155,157

Foods available

Insects, fish, shellfish and

Other marine animals, reptiles, birds,

wild terrestrial mammals and eggs

Plant leaves, seaweed, sea

grasses and algae

Roots

Tubers

Berries and wild fruits

Nuts and seeds

Honey (occasional intake)

Foods not available

Dairy (except for human milk

during weaning)

Cereal grains (with the exception

of occasional intake in the upper

Palaeolithic)

Legumes (except certain varieties

that were consumed seasonally)

Isolated sugar

Isolated oils

Alcohol

Refined salt (even sea salt would

be available only for shore-based

populations who may have dipped

their food in sea water)

Antinutrient content and inflammatory

potential

Alterations in gut microbiotica220 and increased intestinal

permeability221 are possible causes of low-grade chronic

inflammation. Indeed, when the intestinal barrier is disrupted,

it allows increased passage of gut luminal antigens

derived from food, bacteria, and viruses221 into peripheral

circulation 222).

Moreover, proinflammatory cytokines may disrupt insulin signaling,

promoting insulin resistance.164 So a chronic low-grade endotoxemia

may lead to low-grade chronic inflammation,222 which is at the root of

various disorders.160,165–167,222,224,225

In this regard, recent evidence shows that certain western

foods (dairy cream, butter, egg muffins, sausage muffins,

hash browns, and sugar) allow increased passage of luminal

antigens into peripheral circulation, leading to TLR2 and

TLR4 activation.222,226–228 Some factors contributing to increased intestinal

Permeability include nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs,221

antacids,221 changes in gut microbiota,221 alcohol,229 lectins,221

saponins,230–235 and gliadin.236

% kcal distribution of Paleo diet

The percentage of total food energy (%) derived from

macronutrients in Paleolithic diets would typically be

different from current official dietary guidelines (protein = 15

%; CHO = 55–60 en%, and dietary fat # 30%).65

Cordain et al155 estimated that the diets of historically

studied hunter–gatherer populations were higher in protein

(19–35%), lower in CHO (22–40 %), and equivalent or

even higher in dietary fat (28–58 %).

Summary

The adoption of diet and lifestyle that are very different from

what shaped the human genome for more than 2 million

years is a major factor in the widespread prevalence of chronic

degenerative diseases that are epidemic in western countries.

This conclusion strongly suggests that focusing on isolated

dietary or lifestyle variables is not an appropriate preventive

medicine strategy.

Indeed, the evolutionary template predicts that optimal

gene expression, and ultimately an increase in health span

(the number of years in good health), even if it would not

affect average life expectancy, will not be achieved by any

single dietary or lifestyle change but rather through the

combination of several measures, such as regular physical

exercise; stress management; sun exposure according to

latitude and skin color (in order to maintain plasma 25[OH]

D above 45 ng/mL and at the same time avoiding the adverse

effects of excessive sun exposure); adequate sleep; avoidance

of tobacco smoke; reduced exposure to pollutants, dietary

AGEs, ALES, and other Maillard reaction compounds; and

the adoption of a diet similar to that followed by Paleolithic

hunter–gatherers. Giving support to this notion, four recent

human intervention trials18,23,341,342 and one animal trial343 have

demonstrated that a diet composed of meat, fish, shellfish,

eggs, fresh fruit and vegetables, roots, tubers, nuts, and

seeds may be superior to so-called healthy diets such as the

Mediterranean diet.34

I am an older RD. I am reading everything I can and keeping an open mind. At

this point in my career, I am much more likely to give my kids, and to recommend

to my patients paleo friendly foods: red meat, coconut oil, sweet potatoes, fish

oil, eggs, then unlimited fruits, processed carbs, fat free dressing, and smart

balance margarine. I think it is good to read and learn about the " other side "

of the research, even if the knowledge pursuit solidifies your trust in the USDA

guidelines.

Osowski MS, RD, LD

Registered Dietitian

Re: Paleo diet/ gluten free for everyone?

I haven´t read this book but I am curious about his " amazing "

theories.

What he considers anti-nutrients? Food compounds that interfere with

nutrient absorption in the gut? Because iron can be an anti-nutrient for

calcium for example. Zinc also can decrease calcium absorption, oxalates

interfere with the absorption of plenty of nutrients.Or just food

compounds that can trigger an immune response?

According to the references that I have Palaeolithic humans didn't have

any ingestion of fat of 60%. In the latest references that I read (and

others show similar numbers) this was the nutrient distribution in the

palaeolithic diet:

- Protein 34%

- Fat- 21%

- Carbohydrate- 21%

- P: S ratio 1.4

- Fibre (g/day)- 46g

- Calcium (mg/day)- 1580

- Vitamin C (mg/day): 400

- Sodium (mg/day): 690

" Palaeolithic man was long considered to have been primarily a hunter

therefore to have obtained a high proportion of his diet from meat. This

may have been true until the period shortly before the dawn of

agriculture about 10.000 BC when overhunting, climate changes and

population growth brought about a shift to subsistence activities with

way of life not unlike that of few modern hunter-gathers who remain

relative untouched. The dietary intake of some of these societies has

been studied in recent years and in general tend to derive between 50

and 80% by weight from plants "

in A colour atlas and text of diet- related disorders.

In one recent nutrigenomics conference that I went it was discussed that

the " protective " effect of certain type of traditional diet like

Mediterranean, Japanese or the one that Eskimos do probably are only

protective for those populations because of different genetic

expressions (mind that the genetic expression is something different

from the gene pool). Eskimos and similar population living in the far

north diets are very different, 10% or less of their food comes from

vegetable in origin.

Fructose is only harmfull (and I read a lot on this when I was reviewing

the dietary recommendations for hyperuricemia) when ingested in large

amounts as added sugar which it seams a lot of food there in US have it.

Also fructose absorption in fruits depends on the fructose/glucose

ratio. Does he explain how fructose acts like a neurotoxin? From what I

know only glucose can cross blood/brain barrier.

Cátia Borges, nutricionista

ACES Alto-Tâmega e Barroso

Centro de Saúde Chaves 1

>

>

> Looking for RD prospective regarding the hypothesis that all humans,

not just those with an allergy or intolerance to gluten, should avoid

gluten due to the presence of " anti nutrients " such as

> lectins, phytates, prolamines and saponins.Yes, I am reading Robb

Wolf's Paleo Solution. And those of you who read the book, know he hates

RDs, because " RDs don't challenge conventional diet principles " , that he

believes are not evidence based. The book states that humans can

" tolerate " these anti nutrients and plug along, but that we really have

not evolved to live on a 60% grain based diet, and that high nutrient

density foods (meat, veggies, sat/0-3 fats) should contribute the

majority of our kcals.

> The Paleo folks (yes I just joined a CrossFit gym) believe there are

anti nutrients in dairy and legumes as well. The Paleo Diet (unprocessed

foods, high nutrient density foods, high Omega 3 fat/sat fat) looks like

this:

> About 30% protein - from grass feed animals

> About 60% fats- from meats, coconuts, avocados, olives, fish and fish

oils

> About 10% carbs from veggies. Higher carbs, add more and fruit when

working out more.

> Small amounts of nuts and seeds are OK, but their fat profile (higher

in O-6) keeps them on the limit list.

> Low fructose fruits are ok, like berries, but fructose is also

believed to be a neurotoxin, and a " food crack " for the average human.

> The worst possible diet, according to this camp is a high grain, high

fructose, high Omega 6 diet, with corn oil, gluten and fructose being

the major bad guys, and protein, saturated fats, O-3s and root/bulb

veggies being the good guys.

>

> I am searching NIH and PubMed and not finding much at all discussing

the dangers of these anti nutrients in the human food supply. I see some

info about anti nutrients in soy, and data about gluten toxicity in

Celiac dx, but not the general population.

> The Paleo Internet sites are full of information stating that most

diseases (obesity, general fatigue, allergies, GI in tolerances, DM,

etc) would disappear if grains, dairy and legumes are eliminated.

>

> Is anyone else reading this book?

> I would love to discuss all this conflicting information.

>

> Osowski MS, RD, LD

> Registered Dietitian

>

>

>

>

>

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Do you understand the scientific research behind the USDA guidelines for a

45-65% C, 10-35% P and 20-35% F diet that directs folks to high fiber grains and

trans fat free, very low sat fat, lean proteins?

Robb Wolf, and other researchers present a lot of studies to defend his

positions that are counter to the USDA guidelines. Is he off the mark?

He predicts there will be class action lawsuits against endos and cardiologists

and RDs who teach the USDA standard diet recommendations despite all the real

science that negates the USDA diet composition. He states it is criminal to

teach DM patients to eat refined bread with fiber added back in up to 65% of

total kcals. And teaching heart patients to consume a low sat fat, low chol

diet is not supported be the research, and that folks should sue healthy

professionals who accept the status quo without understanding the real research.

These are three of the research pieces that are obtainable on the web that

counter the USDA guidelines.

Doctor Lustig's Sugar the Bitter Truth

Google or Utube this Pediatric Endo's 1 hour lecture w slides proposing that

fructose (not dietary fat) is causing obesity.

Tom Naughton's Fat Head documentary that debunks the " Lipid Hypothesis " started

by Ancel Keyes and claims that Lipitor and a low fat diet are not protective

against heart disease, while a diet that includes saturated fat and anti

inflammatory foods is. Again, viewable on the web.

And here is a summary and the reference to a recent peer review journal article

explaining that foods from the Paleo period are inherently more healthy than

the processed standard American diet widely consumed today.

The western diet and lifestyle and diseases of civilization

Research Reports in Clinical Cardiology 2011:2

Table 4 Foods consumed during the Paleolithic Era14,64,65,154,155,157

Foods available

Insects, fish, shellfish and

Other marine animals, reptiles, birds,

wild terrestrial mammals and eggs

Plant leaves, seaweed, sea

grasses and algae

Roots

Tubers

Berries and wild fruits

Nuts and seeds

Honey (occasional intake)

Foods not available

Dairy (except for human milk

during weaning)

Cereal grains (with the exception

of occasional intake in the upper

Palaeolithic)

Legumes (except certain varieties

that were consumed seasonally)

Isolated sugar

Isolated oils

Alcohol

Refined salt (even sea salt would

be available only for shore-based

populations who may have dipped

their food in sea water)

Antinutrient content and inflammatory

potential

Alterations in gut microbiotica220 and increased intestinal

permeability221 are possible causes of low-grade chronic

inflammation. Indeed, when the intestinal barrier is disrupted,

it allows increased passage of gut luminal antigens

derived from food, bacteria, and viruses221 into peripheral

circulation 222).

Moreover, proinflammatory cytokines may disrupt insulin signaling,

promoting insulin resistance.164 So a chronic low-grade endotoxemia

may lead to low-grade chronic inflammation,222 which is at the root of

various disorders.160,165–167,222,224,225

In this regard, recent evidence shows that certain western

foods (dairy cream, butter, egg muffins, sausage muffins,

hash browns, and sugar) allow increased passage of luminal

antigens into peripheral circulation, leading to TLR2 and

TLR4 activation.222,226–228 Some factors contributing to increased intestinal

Permeability include nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs,221

antacids,221 changes in gut microbiota,221 alcohol,229 lectins,221

saponins,230–235 and gliadin.236

% kcal distribution of Paleo diet

The percentage of total food energy (%) derived from

macronutrients in Paleolithic diets would typically be

different from current official dietary guidelines (protein = 15

%; CHO = 55–60 en%, and dietary fat # 30%).65

Cordain et al155 estimated that the diets of historically

studied hunter–gatherer populations were higher in protein

(19–35%), lower in CHO (22–40 %), and equivalent or

even higher in dietary fat (28–58 %).

Summary

The adoption of diet and lifestyle that are very different from

what shaped the human genome for more than 2 million

years is a major factor in the widespread prevalence of chronic

degenerative diseases that are epidemic in western countries.

This conclusion strongly suggests that focusing on isolated

dietary or lifestyle variables is not an appropriate preventive

medicine strategy.

Indeed, the evolutionary template predicts that optimal

gene expression, and ultimately an increase in health span

(the number of years in good health), even if it would not

affect average life expectancy, will not be achieved by any

single dietary or lifestyle change but rather through the

combination of several measures, such as regular physical

exercise; stress management; sun exposure according to

latitude and skin color (in order to maintain plasma 25[OH]

D above 45 ng/mL and at the same time avoiding the adverse

effects of excessive sun exposure); adequate sleep; avoidance

of tobacco smoke; reduced exposure to pollutants, dietary

AGEs, ALES, and other Maillard reaction compounds; and

the adoption of a diet similar to that followed by Paleolithic

hunter–gatherers. Giving support to this notion, four recent

human intervention trials18,23,341,342 and one animal trial343 have

demonstrated that a diet composed of meat, fish, shellfish,

eggs, fresh fruit and vegetables, roots, tubers, nuts, and

seeds may be superior to so-called healthy diets such as the

Mediterranean diet.34

I am an older RD. I am reading everything I can and keeping an open mind. At

this point in my career, I am much more likely to give my kids, and to recommend

to my patients paleo friendly foods: red meat, coconut oil, sweet potatoes, fish

oil, eggs, then unlimited fruits, processed carbs, fat free dressing, and smart

balance margarine. I think it is good to read and learn about the " other side "

of the research, even if the knowledge pursuit solidifies your trust in the USDA

guidelines.

Osowski MS, RD, LD

Registered Dietitian

Re: Paleo diet/ gluten free for everyone?

I haven´t read this book but I am curious about his " amazing "

theories.

What he considers anti-nutrients? Food compounds that interfere with

nutrient absorption in the gut? Because iron can be an anti-nutrient for

calcium for example. Zinc also can decrease calcium absorption, oxalates

interfere with the absorption of plenty of nutrients.Or just food

compounds that can trigger an immune response?

According to the references that I have Palaeolithic humans didn't have

any ingestion of fat of 60%. In the latest references that I read (and

others show similar numbers) this was the nutrient distribution in the

palaeolithic diet:

- Protein 34%

- Fat- 21%

- Carbohydrate- 21%

- P: S ratio 1.4

- Fibre (g/day)- 46g

- Calcium (mg/day)- 1580

- Vitamin C (mg/day): 400

- Sodium (mg/day): 690

" Palaeolithic man was long considered to have been primarily a hunter

therefore to have obtained a high proportion of his diet from meat. This

may have been true until the period shortly before the dawn of

agriculture about 10.000 BC when overhunting, climate changes and

population growth brought about a shift to subsistence activities with

way of life not unlike that of few modern hunter-gathers who remain

relative untouched. The dietary intake of some of these societies has

been studied in recent years and in general tend to derive between 50

and 80% by weight from plants "

in A colour atlas and text of diet- related disorders.

In one recent nutrigenomics conference that I went it was discussed that

the " protective " effect of certain type of traditional diet like

Mediterranean, Japanese or the one that Eskimos do probably are only

protective for those populations because of different genetic

expressions (mind that the genetic expression is something different

from the gene pool). Eskimos and similar population living in the far

north diets are very different, 10% or less of their food comes from

vegetable in origin.

Fructose is only harmfull (and I read a lot on this when I was reviewing

the dietary recommendations for hyperuricemia) when ingested in large

amounts as added sugar which it seams a lot of food there in US have it.

Also fructose absorption in fruits depends on the fructose/glucose

ratio. Does he explain how fructose acts like a neurotoxin? From what I

know only glucose can cross blood/brain barrier.

Cátia Borges, nutricionista

ACES Alto-Tâmega e Barroso

Centro de Saúde Chaves 1

>

>

> Looking for RD prospective regarding the hypothesis that all humans,

not just those with an allergy or intolerance to gluten, should avoid

gluten due to the presence of " anti nutrients " such as

> lectins, phytates, prolamines and saponins.Yes, I am reading Robb

Wolf's Paleo Solution. And those of you who read the book, know he hates

RDs, because " RDs don't challenge conventional diet principles " , that he

believes are not evidence based. The book states that humans can

" tolerate " these anti nutrients and plug along, but that we really have

not evolved to live on a 60% grain based diet, and that high nutrient

density foods (meat, veggies, sat/0-3 fats) should contribute the

majority of our kcals.

> The Paleo folks (yes I just joined a CrossFit gym) believe there are

anti nutrients in dairy and legumes as well. The Paleo Diet (unprocessed

foods, high nutrient density foods, high Omega 3 fat/sat fat) looks like

this:

> About 30% protein - from grass feed animals

> About 60% fats- from meats, coconuts, avocados, olives, fish and fish

oils

> About 10% carbs from veggies. Higher carbs, add more and fruit when

working out more.

> Small amounts of nuts and seeds are OK, but their fat profile (higher

in O-6) keeps them on the limit list.

> Low fructose fruits are ok, like berries, but fructose is also

believed to be a neurotoxin, and a " food crack " for the average human.

> The worst possible diet, according to this camp is a high grain, high

fructose, high Omega 6 diet, with corn oil, gluten and fructose being

the major bad guys, and protein, saturated fats, O-3s and root/bulb

veggies being the good guys.

>

> I am searching NIH and PubMed and not finding much at all discussing

the dangers of these anti nutrients in the human food supply. I see some

info about anti nutrients in soy, and data about gluten toxicity in

Celiac dx, but not the general population.

> The Paleo Internet sites are full of information stating that most

diseases (obesity, general fatigue, allergies, GI in tolerances, DM,

etc) would disappear if grains, dairy and legumes are eliminated.

>

> Is anyone else reading this book?

> I would love to discuss all this conflicting information.

>

> Osowski MS, RD, LD

> Registered Dietitian

>

>

>

>

>

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