Re: Seriously? This is an insult to our profession

[Guest guest]

I'd strongly urge that we not paint entire professions by one view.

I'm sure there are physicians, nurses, pharmacists (did I forget

anyone?) who give volunteer hours to their community on a regular

basis. Just as we don't want folks to stereotype us, let's not fall

victim to that urge on our own part.

Thanks,

pam

Pam Charney, PhD, RD

Pamela Charney and Associates, LLC

consultants in nutrition informatics

Transforming Nutrition Care With Informatics

pcharney@...

http://www.linkedin.com/in/pamcharney

" Those who say it can't be done are usually interrupted by those doing

it. " -- Baldwin

> You can bet you bottom dollar our competition is not volunteering.

> If anything they are trying to get in on the bottom floor of the

> gravy boat and their " organizations " are telling them how to.

>

> Jackie Chase RD

> Dillingham AK

>

>

> > I was talking about this with a colleague today. Didn't the

> childhood

> > obesity guidelines or statement from ADA include that RDs should

> " volunteer "

> > our time to schools to help combat childhood obesity?

> >

> > Why isn't the American Medical Association asking MDs to volunteer

> too?

> >

> > Digna

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'd strongly urge that we not paint entire professions by one view.

I'm sure there are physicians, nurses, pharmacists (did I forget

anyone?) who give volunteer hours to their community on a regular

basis. Just as we don't want folks to stereotype us, let's not fall

victim to that urge on our own part.

Thanks,

pam

Pam Charney, PhD, RD

Pamela Charney and Associates, LLC

consultants in nutrition informatics

Transforming Nutrition Care With Informatics

pcharney@...

http://www.linkedin.com/in/pamcharney

" Those who say it can't be done are usually interrupted by those doing

it. " -- Baldwin

> You can bet you bottom dollar our competition is not volunteering.

> If anything they are trying to get in on the bottom floor of the

> gravy boat and their " organizations " are telling them how to.

>

> Jackie Chase RD

> Dillingham AK

>

>

> > I was talking about this with a colleague today. Didn't the

> childhood

> > obesity guidelines or statement from ADA include that RDs should

> " volunteer "

> > our time to schools to help combat childhood obesity?

> >

> > Why isn't the American Medical Association asking MDs to volunteer

> too?

> >

> > Digna

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'd strongly urge that we not paint entire professions by one view.

I'm sure there are physicians, nurses, pharmacists (did I forget

anyone?) who give volunteer hours to their community on a regular

basis. Just as we don't want folks to stereotype us, let's not fall

victim to that urge on our own part.

Thanks,

pam

Pam Charney, PhD, RD

Pamela Charney and Associates, LLC

consultants in nutrition informatics

Transforming Nutrition Care With Informatics

pcharney@...

http://www.linkedin.com/in/pamcharney

" Those who say it can't be done are usually interrupted by those doing

it. " -- Baldwin

> You can bet you bottom dollar our competition is not volunteering.

> If anything they are trying to get in on the bottom floor of the

> gravy boat and their " organizations " are telling them how to.

>

> Jackie Chase RD

> Dillingham AK

>

>

> > I was talking about this with a colleague today. Didn't the

> childhood

> > obesity guidelines or statement from ADA include that RDs should

> " volunteer "

> > our time to schools to help combat childhood obesity?

> >

> > Why isn't the American Medical Association asking MDs to volunteer

> too?

> >

> > Digna

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Supply and demand, colleagues...as long as there is even ONE dietitian who will

accept this pay rate, it will persist.

Don't get mad at the company who posted it, point your fingers at the colleagues

who keep the bar low for all of us.

I walked off my last job for someone else because I was being asked to do way

too much and when I could not meet the expectations was scapegoated. I realized

the only way they'd " get it " was to try to fill the position. After three

turnovers in 2/3 the time I lasted there, they finally caved and created FIVE

positions out of the one they fully expected me to fill.

There simply was no supply of dietitians who could meet the unreasonable

demands. Some employers have to be given more concrete lessons than others.

Monika M. Woolsey, MS, RD

http://www.incyst.com

[Guest guest]

Supply and demand, colleagues...as long as there is even ONE dietitian who will

accept this pay rate, it will persist.

Don't get mad at the company who posted it, point your fingers at the colleagues

who keep the bar low for all of us.

I walked off my last job for someone else because I was being asked to do way

too much and when I could not meet the expectations was scapegoated. I realized

the only way they'd " get it " was to try to fill the position. After three

turnovers in 2/3 the time I lasted there, they finally caved and created FIVE

positions out of the one they fully expected me to fill.

There simply was no supply of dietitians who could meet the unreasonable

demands. Some employers have to be given more concrete lessons than others.

Monika M. Woolsey, MS, RD

http://www.incyst.com

[Guest guest]

You are correct re: professional volunteerism; the difference is the expectation

that RDs volunteer their expertise; for other professions the volunteerism is

voluntary.

In addition, salaries for RDs doesn't seem to allow us the luxury of

volunteering many hours if we are to make a living. Raphaela Rozanski, MS, RD,

LDN

> >

> > > I was talking about this with a colleague today. Didn't the

> > childhood

> > > obesity guidelines or statement from ADA include that RDs should

> > " volunteer "

> > > our time to schools to help combat childhood obesity?

> > >

> > > Why isn't the American Medical Association asking MDs to volunteer

> > too?

> > >

> > > Digna

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

You are correct re: professional volunteerism; the difference is the expectation

that RDs volunteer their expertise; for other professions the volunteerism is

voluntary.

In addition, salaries for RDs doesn't seem to allow us the luxury of

volunteering many hours if we are to make a living. Raphaela Rozanski, MS, RD,

LDN

> >

> > > I was talking about this with a colleague today. Didn't the

> > childhood

> > > obesity guidelines or statement from ADA include that RDs should

> > " volunteer "

> > > our time to schools to help combat childhood obesity?

> > >

> > > Why isn't the American Medical Association asking MDs to volunteer

> > too?

> > >

> > > Digna

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Can only add the word YES. undervaluing starts with us. Raphaela

>

> > That is so sad. And I bet a number of them have an advanced degree.

> > $39K per year?

> >

> > My original email was referencing a company offering a $30 fee TOTAL

> > not per hour to do the work which essentially looks like it would be

> > hours of work - IF someone were to do a good job. I was also looking

> > at it from the self employed perspective.

> >

> > I guess one of my points was that there are those out there offering

> > such an absurdly low fee to a professional such as an RD. But

> > looking at their perspective....I suppose $30 might seem like a lot

> > to someone making $10 or $15 per hour. But then if someone does

> > accept the work - for the experience - yes, great experience for him/

> > her but it only KEEPS our profession at the low end of the salary

> > spectrum.

> >

> > Anyway...yes we all start somewhere. And I need to add that clinical

> > IS different in which it's very difficult to compare to the self

> > employed. As an employee you have benefits, health care, paid office

> > space - you don't have to buy all of your own office equipment,

> > supplies, computer, printer...etc etc. No overhead. Big difference.

> >

> > I'm really sorry to say this, but working over 20 yrs somewhere and

> > making less than $60K WITH the education we have? If you LOVE what

> > you do then GREAT! Then it's likely worth it. But I also don't

> > think it helps us overall in the long run.

> >

> > Neily, MS, RD, CSSD, LDRegistered and Licensed

> > DietitianBoard Certified Specialist in Sports DieteticsNutrition

> > Consultant to Meals to Live, LLC www.mealstolive.com Nutrition

> > Entrepreneurs DPG Treasurer 2009-2011Cell: Website:

www.jenniferneily.com

> > Follow me on Facebook! www.facebook.com/NeilyonNutrition

> >

[Guest guest]

Can only add the word YES. undervaluing starts with us. Raphaela

>

> > That is so sad. And I bet a number of them have an advanced degree.

> > $39K per year?

> >

> > My original email was referencing a company offering a $30 fee TOTAL

> > not per hour to do the work which essentially looks like it would be

> > hours of work - IF someone were to do a good job. I was also looking

> > at it from the self employed perspective.

> >

> > I guess one of my points was that there are those out there offering

> > such an absurdly low fee to a professional such as an RD. But

> > looking at their perspective....I suppose $30 might seem like a lot

> > to someone making $10 or $15 per hour. But then if someone does

> > accept the work - for the experience - yes, great experience for him/

> > her but it only KEEPS our profession at the low end of the salary

> > spectrum.

> >

> > Anyway...yes we all start somewhere. And I need to add that clinical

> > IS different in which it's very difficult to compare to the self

> > employed. As an employee you have benefits, health care, paid office

> > space - you don't have to buy all of your own office equipment,

> > supplies, computer, printer...etc etc. No overhead. Big difference.

> >

> > I'm really sorry to say this, but working over 20 yrs somewhere and

> > making less than $60K WITH the education we have? If you LOVE what

> > you do then GREAT! Then it's likely worth it. But I also don't

> > think it helps us overall in the long run.

> >

> > Neily, MS, RD, CSSD, LDRegistered and Licensed

> > DietitianBoard Certified Specialist in Sports DieteticsNutrition

> > Consultant to Meals to Live, LLC www.mealstolive.com Nutrition

> > Entrepreneurs DPG Treasurer 2009-2011Cell: Website:

www.jenniferneily.com

> > Follow me on Facebook! www.facebook.com/NeilyonNutrition

> >

[Guest guest]

my certainty relies on our professional organization's statements and urgings

that RDs incorporate volunteering as part of their role.

I know my Pastor is a volunteer in the local school's Healthy Committee. School

employees are all paid. I am not insulted ever when I am asked to volunteer

alongside all other unpaid volunteers. I am insulted when my volunteering

supports others' profits.

> > > >

> > > > > I was talking about this with a colleague today. Didn't the

> > > > childhood

> > > > > obesity guidelines or statement from ADA include that RDs should

> > > > " volunteer "

> > > > > our time to schools to help combat childhood obesity?

> > > > >

> > > > > Why isn't the American Medical Association asking MDs to volunteer

> > > > too?

> > > > >

> > > > > Digna

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

my certainty relies on our professional organization's statements and urgings

that RDs incorporate volunteering as part of their role.

I know my Pastor is a volunteer in the local school's Healthy Committee. School

employees are all paid. I am not insulted ever when I am asked to volunteer

alongside all other unpaid volunteers. I am insulted when my volunteering

supports others' profits.

> > > >

> > > > > I was talking about this with a colleague today. Didn't the

> > > > childhood

> > > > > obesity guidelines or statement from ADA include that RDs should

> > > > " volunteer "

> > > > > our time to schools to help combat childhood obesity?

> > > > >

> > > > > Why isn't the American Medical Association asking MDs to volunteer

> > > > too?

> > > > >

> > > > > Digna

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Dr Charney,

On this note we will have to respectfully agree to disagree. I have spent many

hours volunteering on boards and commissions w/o compensation to help my

community to be a better place. I have been a local elected official, also, w/o

compensation. I did not say that other professions weren't asked to volunteer as

you infer. I maintain that each of us practice our professions including

educators to make a living. I point to the areas of insurance companies. Most

recently, BC/BS is reconsidering its designation as a charitible organization in

the light of the company's compensation of its CEO to the tune of several

million $$$. The most highly compensated professionals in the state are

education administrators. As I said, at this point we each determine what we can

contribute to our community be it professional or as a girl scout leader or just

to help some elder person's life a little happier. Raphaela

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > I was talking about this with a colleague today. Didn't the

> > > > > > childhood

> > > > > > > obesity guidelines or statement from ADA include that RDs

> > should

> > > > > > " volunteer "

> > > > > > > our time to schools to help combat childhood obesity?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Why isn't the American Medical Association asking MDs to

> > volunteer

> > > > > > too?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Digna

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >