Re: Re: More Claptrap from the American Dietetic Association

May 19, 2011

I did email Jonny months ago asking why he keeps attackingÂ RD's and he replied

with an apology but still feels the majority of us are behind the times with

nutrition knowledge and he acknowledged that there are some " good " RD's out

there but most of us are politically motivated by money by food manufacturers.Â

I don't know about you but I have never seen a check in my mailbox from Monsanto

or PepsiCo Corporation! If we are money motivated, we would probably be in a

different profession.

Yours in Health,

Â

Lora

M.S.Ed.,R.D.,L.D.,C.S.S.D

Metazone Training Director

Health and Wellness Dietitian

Board Certified Sports Nutritionist

Under Armour Combine 360 Certified Trainer

USAW Sports Performance Specialist

ACE Certified Group Exercise Instructor

CLT Certified LEAP therapist for food allergies and sensitivities

inspirefitnesskc@...

www.metazonetraining.com

Â

Subject: Re: More Claptrap from the American Dietetic Association

To: rd-usa

Date: Thursday, May 19, 2011, 12:05 PM

Â

Your comments are kind. How often are RDs grouped in with diet aides? If RDs

post management skills and nutrition knowledge on job bulletins, it isn't

unusual to get listings from health food clerks.

Companies may, also, certify nutritionists within their own programs.

these are the very reasons RDs fought for licensing. Point taken on your comment

re: educators. CDEs needn't be RDs and frequently are RNs. I can't understand

the anger toward ADA as RDs needn't be members; CDR is the credentialing org for

registration; licensing, MDs, RDs, OTRs, PTs, MDs, etc is through states. Many

RDs may feel ADA is not a strong enough advocate for RD/LDNs.

Raphaela Rozanski, MS,RD, LDN

>

> Why he seems to have such a venomous hate against ADA/RDs may have to do with

> the CNS behind his name -he's not just a health store clerk but is a

> professional with a degree, and he may get generalized disrespect when lumped

> with 'nutritionists' like health product clerks. The concern about the

licensing

> process is for the tendency to monopolize to RD's and exclude other degree

> programs. Michigan licensing of RD's is going on turtle speed but I believe

his

> CNS won't count in Michigan when the policies are finalized.

>

> A system with types of licenses might help, some division/tier system that

> might have licenses for the RD level with nutrition and food service training

> and experience as well as the clinicalwhich would be required for some types

of

> jobs and a separate nutrition educator/counselor license might exist that

would

> allow the nutrition counselor to function in other areas than those requiring

> quantity food service knowledge.

>

> He went to school too and didn't have to use a bunch of credits on food

service

> and management. My electives included genetics, psychology and botany courses

> and a linguistic course just for fun.

> I also learned that I don't have the patience to make a good batch of fudge

(bad

> grade that day) and that how much liquid is drained from the can of tuna will

> greatly effect the taste and mouth feel of the finished product.

>

> I would like to believe that there is room in the world for us all but it is

> more difficult some days than others.

>

> http://www.americancollegeofnutrition.org/Default.aspx?tabid=83 - the mission

> and goals of the American College of Nutrition seem worthy of support.

>

> Vajda, R.D.

> www.GingerJens.com

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: rd-usa

> Sent: Wed, May 18, 2011 4:34:50 PM

> Subject: Re: More Claptrap from the American Dietetic Association

>

> I have to agree with his opinion in respect to how much of the exam is not

about

>

> nutrition & MNT and we should have more of that. I understand testing food

> service concepts & kitchen planning. But do I really need to be tested on WHY

> cake & bread turns brown in the oven?

>

> My personal disagreements with his opinon piece:

>

> We're not an union, we're a professional organization promoting our expertise

as

>

> nutritionists.

>

> Licensure law in NV (before the state senate right now) doesn't stop people

from

>

> being nutritionists, just defines the requirements to be a licensed dietitian

>

> so the public knows the educational background when they seek nutrition

advice.

>

> Promoting white sugar? Mcs? Ick. However, if I'm working with someone

who

>

> insists on eating like that, I can make suggestions towards healthier options.

> Disallow supplements? The issue in the past is the inappropriate SALES of

> supplements leading to megadosing, or fraudulent health claims about said

> supplements. I often suggest a standard MVI as an " umbrella insurance policy "

> because no one has a perfect diet.

>

> ADA is a powerful lobby akin to NRA? OMG where does he get that idea? We've

> barely got the money to support healthy initiatives and push to maintain WIC &

> other food programs.

>

> Last question - why does he have such venomous hate for ADA & RDs?

>

> Holly

> ----------

> Holly Lee Brewer, MS RD CDE

> Pediatric Dietitian, Diabetes Educator

> Medical Nutrition Therapist, Las Vegas, NV

>

> Maj Holly Brewer, USAFR BSC http://hollyinbalad.blogspot.com

> 301st MDS, NAS JRB Fort Worth (Carswell), TX

> Joint Base Balad, Iraq (Jan-Jul 2009)

>

> More Claptrap from the American Dietetic Association

>

> Whew! - ne

>

> More Claptrap from the American Dietetic Association

>

> by Dr. Jonny Ã‚Â·

>

> The American Dietetic Association is at it again, working tirelessly to

> make sure that the only nutrition information you get is from members of

> their union.

>

> IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ve said it before and IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ll say it now: I consider the American

> Dietetic Association one of the most destructive influences on eating

> behavior in America.

>

> They never met a government policy they didnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t like. They believe

> supplements arenÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t important. TheyÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ve continue to promote

high-carb

> low-fat diets. They believe thereÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s no such thing as a bad food, no

> surprise since a huge percentage of their corporate sponsorship comes

> from industry and Big Food. TheyÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ve never had an original thought in

> their collective head.

>

> One small story about the ADA that may help shed light on just what

> theyÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re all about. The American Dietetic Association once tried to stop

> the late nutritionist Shari Lieberman, PhD, CNS, RD from using her RD as

> a professional credential.

>

> Why, you ask? Because she broke from the party line and actually

> recommended vitamin and mineral supplements.

>

> Lieberman sued the ADA, won full rights to her degree, then promptly

> stopped using it. Ã¢â‚¬Å“The CNS exam asks you what enzyme activates the

> pancreatic enzyme trypsinogen into its active formÃ¢â‚¬ï¿½, she once told me.

> Ã¢â‚¬Å“The RD exam asks you questions like Ã¢â‚¬Å“how do you make a lemon

merenguie

> pie.Ã¢â‚¬ï¿½

>

> Remember, folks, next time youÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re in a hospital, these are the people

> responsible for the jello, mashed potatoes and apple juice.

>

> Asking the American Dietetic Association to be the final say in

> nutrition education is like asking the Taliban to teach a college course

> in world religions at Harvard.

>

> This time the ADA is up to its old tricks again, working behind the

> scenes to try to insure that anyone who is not an RD will be unable to

> dispense advice about nutrition. In California, the bill eliminates from

> legitimate nutrition counseling practice all CNs, CNSs, CCNs, and those

> with graduate degrees including PhDÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s.

>

> The fine for practicing Ã¢â‚¬Å“dieteticsÃ¢â‚¬ï¿½ (a vague and incompletely

defined

> term) without an RD is $1000.00 and/or six months in jail.

>

> TheyÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ve done this before, notably in Wisconsin and New York, and now

> theyÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re trying to do it in California.

>

> HereÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s the drill. Lobbyists for the ADA- with lobbying firepower second

> only to the NRA Ã¢â‚¬ " attempt to get legislation passed to create stringent

> licensing for all nutrition professionals. Sounds good, right? They hide

> behind the mask of trying to Ã¢â‚¬Å“protectÃ¢â‚¬ï¿½ the public from

unscrupulous

> practitioners and unqualified Ã¢â‚¬Å“expertsÃ¢â‚¬ï¿½, something no one- let

alone

> time-pressed legislatures Ã¢â‚¬ " would object to.

>

> After all, who would object to licensing professionals? Who wouldnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t

> vote for a bill to protect consumers and make sure that people

> practicing in the health field knew what theyÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re talking about?

>

> Problem is, itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s all a crock. The only purpose of the legislation is to

> limit the practice of nutrition to RDs only.

>

> This is union protectionism at its worst. The ADA essentially fights to

> keep anyone who is not in their Ã¢â‚¬Å“unionÃ¢â‚¬ï¿½ from practicing

nutrition. This

> includes- hold on to your hats- MDs, Chiropractors, Clinical

> nutritionists, licensed acupuncturists, CNSÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s, CCNs and even folks with

> a masters degree in nutrition. Under the ADA- sponsored bills, my friend

> Mark Houston, MDÃ¢â‚¬ " a professor of medicine who also holds a masters in

> nutrition from the rigorous Bridgeport University nutrition programÃ¢â‚¬ "

> would not be able to dispense nutritional advice professionally.

>

> If you think these bills are about protecting the public, IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ve got a

> nice bridge near Brooklyn IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢d like to sell you.

>

> One recent horror story: Liz Lipsky, PhD, one of the foremost

> nutritionists in the country, was denied licensure in North Carolina and

> is now appealing through the courts. She sent in her CV, doctoral

> thesis, doctoral course materials, masterÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s thesis, CCN scope of

> practice, descriptions of every course she had taken that might meet

> their minimum qualifications, lists of all conferences she has attended

> since 1979, papers sheÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s published, books sheÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s written, etc.

>

> She was still denied licensure because she didnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t meet their

Ã¢â‚¬Å“minimal

> requirementsÃ¢â‚¬ï¿½ (an RD- aka Ã¢â‚¬Å“union cardÃ¢â‚¬ï¿½).

>

> Yet the ADA would have you think that these politically motivated bills

> are about protecting the public against advice they might get from the

> likes of Dr. Lipski.

>

> IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m frequently asked about the differences between dietitians and

> nutritionists, so hereÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s the executive summary:

>

> Dietitians

>

> *have a policy that there is no such thing as a good or bad food. They

> endorse white refined sugar, egg beaters (fake eggs), Ensure,

McÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s

> meals, and chemical and bioengineered additives including MSG and rBGH

> bovine growth hormone.

>

> *are extremely cautious in recommending supplementation, and in the

> circumstances when their policy does allow for this, it is limited to

> the RDA (recommended daily allowance suggested by the US govt.)

> Nutritionists

>

> *recognize the positive and negative effects of different foods, such as

> the type of fat content, amount of processing/refinement, and chemical

> properties and additives, including as they relate to clinical conditions.

>

> *utilize current bio-nutrient research to recommend diets and/or

> supplements appropriate for individualÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s specific condition.

> Examination Preparation

>

> An excellent way to illustrate the difference between Dietitians and

> Nutritionists is by the test question categories used by their

> certification boards to evaluate skills.

>

> Registered Dietitian Certification

>

> Majority of questions (60%) are on non-science topics, such as:

>

> Purchase of kitchen equipment and its placement for efficient

> operation.

> Institutional cooking and food preparation techniques

> Inventory control and buying practices

> Labor management, time management, etc.

> Economics

> Government programs such as food stamps, surplus, etc

>

> Nutritionist Certification

>

> Majority of questions (over 90%) are on nutrition science topics such as:

>

> Human anatomy and physiology

> Disease states

> Metabolic pathways

> Interpretation of blood and urine analysis as it pertains to

> nutritional status

> Drug and nutrient interactions

> Vitamin, mineral, amino acid, and dietary and herbal therapies

>

> What you also need to know is that virtually all the information you get

> about nutrition from popular magazines can be linked back to some

> official party line from the American Dietetic Association. Trust me, I

> know. Having written for popular magazines for almost 20 years and dealt

> with editors and administrators from almost every well-known publication

> in America, I can tell you that most are almost afraid to publish

> anything about nutrition that does not contain the phrase, Ã¢â‚¬Å“According to

> a spokesperson from the American Dietetic Association..Ã¢â‚¬ï¿½.

>

> When I hear the phrase, Ã¢â‚¬Å“According to a spokesperson from the American

> Dietetic AssociationÃ¢â‚¬Â¦.Ã¢â‚¬ï¿½, I run the other way.

>

> IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m all for licensing and for professional standards.

>

> But the idea that only RDs meet the requirements for licensing is simply

> absurd.

>

> ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s a political maneuver by the ADA which has absolutely nothing to do

> with protecting the public, and everything to do with protecting its

> membership.

>

> Shame on you, American Dietetic Association.

>

> Once again.

>

> http://jonnybowdenblog.com/american-dietetic-association/

>

May 19, 2011

Perfectly said Lora - waiting for my check too BUT keep in mind a lot of

those so called " nutritionists " are aligned with many dubious supplements

and products.

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Lora wrote:

>

> I did email Jonny months ago asking why he keeps attacking RD's and he

> replied with an apology but still feels the majority of us are behind the

> times with nutrition knowledge and he acknowledged that there are some

> " good " RD's out there but most of us are politically motivated by money by

> food manufacturers. I don't know about you but I have never seen a check in

> my mailbox from Monsanto or PepsiCo Corporation! If we are money motivated,

> we would probably be in a different profession.

>

> Yours in Health,

>

> Lora

> M.S.Ed.,R.D.,L.D.,C.S.S.D

> Metazone Training Director

> Health and Wellness Dietitian

> Board Certified Sports Nutritionist

> Under Armour Combine 360 Certified Trainer

> USAW Sports Performance Specialist

> ACE Certified Group Exercise Instructor

> CLT Certified LEAP therapist for food allergies and sensitivities

> inspirefitnesskc@...

> www.metazonetraining.com

>

> Subject: Re: More Claptrap from the American Dietetic Association

>

> To: rd-usa

> Date: Thursday, May 19, 2011, 12:05 PM

>

> Your comments are kind. How often are RDs grouped in with diet aides? If

> RDs post management skills and nutrition knowledge on job bulletins, it

> isn't unusual to get listings from health food clerks.

> Companies may, also, certify nutritionists within their own programs.

> these are the very reasons RDs fought for licensing. Point taken on your

> comment re: educators. CDEs needn't be RDs and frequently are RNs. I can't

> understand the anger toward ADA as RDs needn't be members; CDR is the

> credentialing org for registration; licensing, MDs, RDs, OTRs, PTs, MDs, etc

> is through states. Many RDs may feel ADA is not a strong enough advocate for

> RD/LDNs.

> Raphaela Rozanski, MS,RD, LDN

>

> >

> > Why he seems to have such a venomous hate against ADA/RDs may have to do

> with

> > the CNS behind his name -he's not just a health store clerk but is a

> > professional with a degree, and he may get generalized disrespect when

> lumped

> > with 'nutritionists' like health product clerks. The concern about the

> licensing

> > process is for the tendency to monopolize to RD's and exclude other

> degree

> > programs. Michigan licensing of RD's is going on turtle speed but I

> believe his

> > CNS won't count in Michigan when the policies are finalized.

> >

> > A system with types of licenses might help, some division/tier system

> that

> > might have licenses for the RD level with nutrition and food service

> training

> > and experience as well as the clinicalwhich would be required for some

> types of

> > jobs and a separate nutrition educator/counselor license might exist that

> would

> > allow the nutrition counselor to function in other areas than those

> requiring

> > quantity food service knowledge.

> >

> > He went to school too and didn't have to use a bunch of credits on food

> service

> > and management. My electives included genetics, psychology and botany

> courses

> > and a linguistic course just for fun.

> > I also learned that I don't have the patience to make a good batch of

> fudge (bad

> > grade that day) and that how much liquid is drained from the can of tuna

> will

> > greatly effect the taste and mouth feel of the finished product.

> >

> > I would like to believe that there is room in the world for us all but it

> is

> > more difficult some days than others.

> >

> > http://www.americancollegeofnutrition.org/Default.aspx?tabid=83 - the

> mission

> > and goals of the American College of Nutrition seem worthy of support.

> >

> > Vajda, R.D.

> > www.GingerJens.com

> >

> > ________________________________

> >

> > To: rd-usa

> > Sent: Wed, May 18, 2011 4:34:50 PM

> > Subject: Re: More Claptrap from the American Dietetic

> Association

> >

> > I have to agree with his opinion in respect to how much of the exam is

> not about

> >

> > nutrition & MNT and we should have more of that. I understand testing

> food

> > service concepts & kitchen planning. But do I really need to be tested on

> WHY

> > cake & bread turns brown in the oven?

> >

> > My personal disagreements with his opinon piece:

> >

> > We're not an union, we're a professional organization promoting our

> expertise as

> >

> > nutritionists.

> >

> > Licensure law in NV (before the state senate right now) doesn't stop

> people from

> >

> > being nutritionists, just defines the requirements to be a licensed

> dietitian

> >

> > so the public knows the educational background when they seek nutrition

> advice.

> >

> > Promoting white sugar? Mcs? Ick. However, if I'm working with

> someone who

> >

> > insists on eating like that, I can make suggestions towards healthier

> options.

> > Disallow supplements? The issue in the past is the inappropriate SALES of

>

> > supplements leading to megadosing, or fraudulent health claims about said

>

> > supplements. I often suggest a standard MVI as an " umbrella insurance

> policy "

> > because no one has a perfect diet.

> >

> > ADA is a powerful lobby akin to NRA? OMG where does he get that idea?

> We've

> > barely got the money to support healthy initiatives and push to maintain

> WIC &

> > other food programs.

> >

> > Last question - why does he have such venomous hate for ADA & RDs?

> >

> > Holly

> > ----------

> > Holly Lee Brewer, MS RD CDE

> > Pediatric Dietitian, Diabetes Educator

> > Medical Nutrition Therapist, Las Vegas, NV

> >

> > Maj Holly Brewer, USAFR BSC http://hollyinbalad.blogspot.com

> > 301st MDS, NAS JRB Fort Worth (Carswell), TX

> > Joint Base Balad, Iraq (Jan-Jul 2009)

> >

> > More Claptrap from the American Dietetic Association

> >

> > Whew! - ne

> >

> > More Claptrap from the American Dietetic Association

> >

> > by Dr. Jonny Ã‚Â·

> >

> > The American Dietetic Association is at it again, working tirelessly to

> > make sure that the only nutrition information you get is from members of

> > their union.

> >

> > IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ve said it before and IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ll say it now: I consider the

American

> > Dietetic Association one of the most destructive influences on eating

> > behavior in America.

> >

> > They never met a government policy they didnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t like. They believe

> > supplements arenÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t important. TheyÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ve continue to promote

high-carb

> > low-fat diets. They believe thereÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s no such thing as a bad food, no

> > surprise since a huge percentage of their corporate sponsorship comes

> > from industry and Big Food. TheyÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ve never had an original thought in

> > their collective head.

> >

> > One small story about the ADA that may help shed light on just what

> > theyÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re all about. The American Dietetic Association once tried to

stop

>

> > the late nutritionist Shari Lieberman, PhD, CNS, RD from using her RD as

> > a professional credential.

> >

> > Why, you ask? Because she broke from the party line and actually

> > recommended vitamin and mineral supplements.

> >

> > Lieberman sued the ADA, won full rights to her degree, then promptly

> > stopped using it. Ã¢â‚¬Å“The CNS exam asks you what enzyme activates the

> > pancreatic enzyme trypsinogen into its active formÃ¢â‚¬ï¿½, she once told

me.

> > Ã¢â‚¬Å“The RD exam asks you questions like Ã¢â‚¬Å“how do you make a lemon

> merenguie

> > pie.Ã¢â‚¬ï¿½

> >

> > Remember, folks, next time youÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re in a hospital, these are the people

> > responsible for the jello, mashed potatoes and apple juice.

> >

> > Asking the American Dietetic Association to be the final say in

> > nutrition education is like asking the Taliban to teach a college course

> > in world religions at Harvard.

> >

> > This time the ADA is up to its old tricks again, working behind the

> > scenes to try to insure that anyone who is not an RD will be unable to

> > dispense advice about nutrition. In California, the bill eliminates from

> > legitimate nutrition counseling practice all CNs, CNSs, CCNs, and those

> > with graduate degrees including PhDÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s.

> >

> > The fine for practicing Ã¢â‚¬Å“dieteticsÃ¢â‚¬ï¿½ (a vague and incompletely

defined

>

> > term) without an RD is $1000.00 and/or six months in jail.

> >

> > TheyÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ve done this before, notably in Wisconsin and New York, and now

> > theyÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re trying to do it in California.

> >

> > HereÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s the drill. Lobbyists for the ADA- with lobbying firepower

second

>

> > only to the NRA Ã¢â‚¬ " attempt to get legislation passed to create stringent

>

> > licensing for all nutrition professionals. Sounds good, right? They hide

> > behind the mask of trying to Ã¢â‚¬Å“protectÃ¢â‚¬ï¿½ the public from

unscrupulous

> > practitioners and unqualified Ã¢â‚¬Å“expertsÃ¢â‚¬ï¿½, something no one- let

alone

> > time-pressed legislatures Ã¢â‚¬ " would object to.

> >

> > After all, who would object to licensing professionals? Who wouldnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t

> > vote for a bill to protect consumers and make sure that people

> > practicing in the health field knew what theyÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re talking about?

> >

> > Problem is, itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s all a crock. The only purpose of the legislation is

to

>

> > limit the practice of nutrition to RDs only.

> >

> > This is union protectionism at its worst. The ADA essentially fights to

> > keep anyone who is not in their Ã¢â‚¬Å“unionÃ¢â‚¬ï¿½ from practicing

nutrition.

> This

> > includes- hold on to your hats- MDs, Chiropractors, Clinical

> > nutritionists, licensed acupuncturists, CNSÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s, CCNs and even folks

with

>

> > a masters degree in nutrition. Under the ADA- sponsored bills, my friend

> > Mark Houston, MDÃ¢â‚¬ " a professor of medicine who also holds a masters in

> > nutrition from the rigorous Bridgeport University nutrition programÃ¢â‚¬ "

> > would not be able to dispense nutritional advice professionally.

> >

> > If you think these bills are about protecting the public, IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ve got a

> > nice bridge near Brooklyn IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢d like to sell you.

> >

> > One recent horror story: Liz Lipsky, PhD, one of the foremost

> > nutritionists in the country, was denied licensure in North Carolina and

> > is now appealing through the courts. She sent in her CV, doctoral

> > thesis, doctoral course materials, masterÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s thesis, CCN scope of

> > practice, descriptions of every course she had taken that might meet

> > their minimum qualifications, lists of all conferences she has attended

> > since 1979, papers sheÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s published, books sheÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s written, etc.

> >

> > She was still denied licensure because she didnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t meet their

Ã¢â‚¬Å“minimal

>

> > requirementsÃ¢â‚¬ï¿½ (an RD- aka Ã¢â‚¬Å“union cardÃ¢â‚¬ï¿½).

> >

> > Yet the ADA would have you think that these politically motivated bills

> > are about protecting the public against advice they might get from the

> > likes of Dr. Lipski.

> >

> > IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m frequently asked about the differences between dietitians and

> > nutritionists, so hereÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s the executive summary:

> >

> > Dietitians

> >

> > *have a policy that there is no such thing as a good or bad food. They

> > endorse white refined sugar, egg beaters (fake eggs), Ensure,

> McÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s

> > meals, and chemical and bioengineered additives including MSG and rBGH

> > bovine growth hormone.

> >

> > *are extremely cautious in recommending supplementation, and in the

> > circumstances when their policy does allow for this, it is limited to

> > the RDA (recommended daily allowance suggested by the US govt.)

> > Nutritionists

> >

> > *recognize the positive and negative effects of different foods, such as

> > the type of fat content, amount of processing/refinement, and chemical

> > properties and additives, including as they relate to clinical

> conditions.

> >

> > *utilize current bio-nutrient research to recommend diets and/or

> > supplements appropriate for individualÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s specific condition.

> > Examination Preparation

> >

> > An excellent way to illustrate the difference between Dietitians and

> > Nutritionists is by the test question categories used by their

> > certification boards to evaluate skills.

> >

> > Registered Dietitian Certification

> >

> > Majority of questions (60%) are on non-science topics, such as:

> >

> > Purchase of kitchen equipment and its placement for efficient

> > operation.

> > Institutional cooking and food preparation techniques

> > Inventory control and buying practices

> > Labor management, time management, etc.

> > Economics

> > Government programs such as food stamps, surplus, etc

> >

> > Nutritionist Certification

> >

> > Majority of questions (over 90%) are on nutrition science topics such as:

> >

> > Human anatomy and physiology

> > Disease states

> > Metabolic pathways

> > Interpretation of blood and urine analysis as it pertains to

> > nutritional status

> > Drug and nutrient interactions

> > Vitamin, mineral, amino acid, and dietary and herbal therapies

> >

> > What you also need to know is that virtually all the information you get

> > about nutrition from popular magazines can be linked back to some

> > official party line from the American Dietetic Association. Trust me, I

> > know. Having written for popular magazines for almost 20 years and dealt

> > with editors and administrators from almost every well-known publication

> > in America, I can tell you that most are almost afraid to publish

> > anything about nutrition that does not contain the phrase, Ã¢â‚¬Å“According

> to

> > a spokesperson from the American Dietetic Association..Ã¢â‚¬ï¿½.

> >

> > When I hear the phrase, Ã¢â‚¬Å“According to a spokesperson from the American

> > Dietetic AssociationÃ¢â‚¬Â¦.Ã¢â‚¬ï¿½, I run the other way.

> >

> > IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m all for licensing and for professional standards.

> >

> > But the idea that only RDs meet the requirements for licensing is simply

> > absurd.

> >

> > ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s a political maneuver by the ADA which has absolutely nothing to

do

>

> > with protecting the public, and everything to do with protecting its

> > membership.

> >

> > Shame on you, American Dietetic Association.

> >

> > Once again.

> >

> > http://jonnybowdenblog.com/american-dietetic-association/

> >

May 19, 2011

Oh oh, I own stock in Pepsico, Whole Foods and Conagra - although not been paid

any dividends. Does that influenceÂ the MNT and counseling I provide?Â

Absolutely

NOT!

IMHO his 'excuse' is terrible.

Holly

Â ----------

Holly Lee Brewer, MS RD CDE

Pediatric Dietitian, Diabetes Educator

Medical Nutrition Therapist, Las Vegas, NV

Maj Holly Brewer, USAFR BSC http://hollyinbalad.blogspot.com

301st MDS, NAS JRB Fort Worth (Carswell), TX

Joint Base Balad, Iraq (Jan-Jul 2009)

________________________________

To: rd-usa

Sent: Thu, May 19, 2011 11:42:01 AM

Subject: Re: Re: More Claptrap from the American Dietetic Association

Â

I did email Jonny months ago asking why he keeps attackingÂ RD's and he replied

with an apology but still feels the majority of us are behind the times with

nutrition knowledge and he acknowledged that there are some " good " RD's out

there but most of us are politically motivated by money by food manufacturers.Â

I don't know about you but I have never seen a check in my mailbox from Monsanto

or PepsiCo Corporation! If we are money motivated, we would probably be in a

different profession.

Yours in Health,

Â

Lora

M.S.Ed.,R.D.,L.D.,C.S.S.D

Metazone Training Director

Health and Wellness Dietitian

Board Certified Sports Nutritionist

Under Armour Combine 360 Certified Trainer

USAW Sports Performance Specialist

ACE Certified Group Exercise Instructor

CLT Certified LEAP therapist for food allergies and sensitivities

inspirefitnesskc@...

www.metazonetraining.com

Â

Subject: Re: More Claptrap from the American Dietetic Association

To: rd-usa

Date: Thursday, May 19, 2011, 12:05 PM

Â

Your comments are kind. How often are RDs grouped in with diet aides? If RDs

post management skills and nutrition knowledge on job bulletins, it isn't

unusual to get listings from health food clerks.

Companies may, also, certify nutritionists within their own programs.

these are the very reasons RDs fought for licensing. Point taken on your comment

re: educators. CDEs needn't be RDs and frequently are RNs. I can't understand

the anger toward ADA as RDs needn't be members; CDR is the credentialing org for

registration; licensing, MDs, RDs, OTRs, PTs, MDs, etc is through states. Many

RDs may feel ADA is not a strong enough advocate for RD/LDNs.

Raphaela Rozanski, MS,RD, LDN

>

> Why he seems to have such a venomous hate against ADA/RDs may have to do with

> the CNS behind his name -he's not just a health store clerk but is a

> professional with a degree, and he may get generalized disrespect when lumped

> with 'nutritionists' like health product clerks. The concern about the

>licensing

>

> process is for the tendency to monopolize to RD's and exclude other degree

> programs. Michigan licensing of RD's is going on turtle speed but I believe

his

>

> CNS won't count in Michigan when the policies are finalized.

>

> A system with types of licenses might help, some division/tier system that

> might have licenses for the RD level with nutrition and food service training

> and experience as well as the clinicalwhich would be required for some types

of

>

> jobs and a separate nutrition educator/counselor license might exist that

would

>

> allow the nutrition counselor to function in other areas than those requiring

> quantity food service knowledge.

>

> He went to school too and didn't have to use a bunch of credits on food

service

>

> and management. My electives included genetics, psychology and botany courses

> and a linguistic course just for fun.

> I also learned that I don't have the patience to make a good batch of fudge

>(bad

>

> grade that day) and that how much liquid is drained from the can of tuna will

> greatly effect the taste and mouth feel of the finished product.

>

> I would like to believe that there is room in the world for us all but it is

> more difficult some days than others.

>

> http://www.americancollegeofnutrition.org/Default.aspx?tabid=83 - the mission

> and goals of the American College of Nutrition seem worthy of support.

>

> Vajda, R.D.

> www.GingerJens.com

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: rd-usa

> Sent: Wed, May 18, 2011 4:34:50 PM

> Subject: Re: More Claptrap from the American Dietetic Association

>

> I have to agree with his opinion in respect to how much of the exam is not

>about

>

> nutrition & MNT and we should have more of that. I understand testing food

> service concepts & kitchen planning. But do I really need to be tested on WHY

> cake & bread turns brown in the oven?

>

> My personal disagreements with his opinon piece:

>

> We're not an union, we're a professional organization promoting our expertise

>as

>

> nutritionists.

>

> Licensure law in NV (before the state senate right now) doesn't stop people

>from