Guest guest Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 We avoid all cranberry for patients on coumadin. Bristol Myers Squibb clearly states in their patient information that all cranberry products are to be avoided. Until they change their patient information, we follow their directions. " No Cranberry " is clearly stamped on menus for coumadin/warfarin patients. Cece ---- Original message ---- >Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 14:08:29 -0000 >From: rd-usa (on behalf of " melwv05 " ) >Subject: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction >To: rd-usa > > > > From what I have found, 8 oz of cranberry juice is > allowed daily while taking coumadin. Is this the > latest research? For those who work in a hospital > setting, what steps do you take to limit cranberry > juice on a clear liquid diet? Do you go ahead and > limit cranberry juice on every tray to avoid > problems? > Thanks, > Webber MS, RD, LD > Princeton, WV > > This message is intended for the use of the addressee only and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, be notified that any dissemination or use of this message is strictly prohibited. Un-intended transmission does not constitute waiver of attorney-client privilege or any other privilege. If you have received this message in error, please delete all copies of the message and its attachments and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 I was not familiar with a cranberry restriction so I just checked two brochures put out by the company that makes coumadin and it never mentions cranberries or cranberry juice. What is your source? Mazarin, MS, RD, CNS From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of Cece Ohmart Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 10:32 AM To: rd-usa Subject: Re: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction We avoid all cranberry for patients on coumadin. Bristol Myers Squibb clearly states in their patient information that all cranberry products are to be avoided. Until they change their patient information, we follow their directions. " No Cranberry " is clearly stamped on menus for coumadin/warfarin patients. Cece ---- Original message ---- >Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 14:08:29 -0000 >From: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> (on behalf of " melwv05 " <melwv05@... <mailto:melwv05%40yahoo.com> >) >Subject: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction >To: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > From what I have found, 8 oz of cranberry juice is > allowed daily while taking coumadin. Is this the > latest research? For those who work in a hospital > setting, what steps do you take to limit cranberry > juice on a clear liquid diet? Do you go ahead and > limit cranberry juice on every tray to avoid > problems? > Thanks, > Webber MS, RD, LD > Princeton, WV > > This message is intended for the use of the addressee only and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, be notified that any dissemination or use of this message is strictly prohibited. Un-intended transmission does not constitute waiver of attorney-client privilege or any other privilege. If you have received this message in error, please delete all copies of the message and its attachments and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 Go to www.coumadin.com. Click on patient information. AFter the box " Important Safety Information " there is a series of bullets. The 9th bullet down addresses alcohol and cranberry products. Cece ---- Original message ---- >Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 13:54:30 -0400 >From: rd-usa (on behalf of " Mazarin " ) >Subject: RE: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction >To: <rd-usa > > > > > I was not familiar with a cranberry restriction so I > just checked two > brochures put out by the company that makes coumadin > and it never mentions > cranberries or cranberry juice. What is your source? > > Mazarin, MS, RD, CNS > > From: rd-usa > [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of > Cece Ohmart > Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 10:32 AM > To: rd-usa > Subject: Re: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction > > We avoid all cranberry for patients on coumadin. > Bristol Myers Squibb > clearly states in their patient information that all > cranberry products are > to be avoided. Until they change their patient > information, we follow their > directions. " No Cranberry " is clearly stamped on > menus for coumadin/warfarin > patients. > > Cece > > ---- Original message ---- > >Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 14:08:29 -0000 > >From: rd-usa > <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> (on behalf > of " melwv05 " <melwv05@... > <mailto:melwv05%40yahoo.com> >) > >Subject: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction > >To: rd-usa > <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > From what I have found, 8 oz of cranberry juice is > > allowed daily while taking coumadin. Is this the > > latest research? For those who work in a hospital > > setting, what steps do you take to limit cranberry > > juice on a clear liquid diet? Do you go ahead and > > limit cranberry juice on every tray to avoid > > problems? > > Thanks, > > Webber MS, RD, LD > > Princeton, WV > > > > > This message is intended for the use of the > addressee only and may contain > information that is privileged and confidential. If > you are not the intended > recipient of this message, be notified that any > dissemination or use of this > message is strictly prohibited. Un-intended > transmission does not constitute > waiver of attorney-client privilege or any other > privilege. If you have > received this message in error, please delete all > copies of the message and > its attachments and notify the sender immediately. > Thank you. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > This message is intended for the use of the addressee only and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, be notified that any dissemination or use of this message is strictly prohibited. Un-intended transmission does not constitute waiver of attorney-client privilege or any other privilege. If you have received this message in error, please delete all copies of the message and its attachments and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 From what I've read, the latest human trials says that " normal " amounts of cranberry products has an effect on coumadin treatment I believe there was only problems when individuals had extremely excessive amounts (a la water intoxication) when on coumadin There is a toolkit and recent studies about the topic from the Cranberry Institute http://www.cranberryinstitute.org/ On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Mazarin wrote: > > > I was not familiar with a cranberry restriction so I just checked two > brochures put out by the company that makes coumadin and it never mentions > cranberries or cranberry juice. What is your source? > > Mazarin, MS, RD, CNS > > From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of > Cece Ohmart > Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 10:32 AM > To: rd-usa > Subject: Re: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction > > We avoid all cranberry for patients on coumadin. Bristol Myers Squibb > clearly states in their patient information that all cranberry products are > to be avoided. Until they change their patient information, we follow their > directions. " No Cranberry " is clearly stamped on menus for > coumadin/warfarin > patients. > > Cece > > ---- Original message ---- > >Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 14:08:29 -0000 > >From: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> (on behalf > of " melwv05 " <melwv05@... <mailto:melwv05%40yahoo.com> >) > >Subject: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction > >To: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > From what I have found, 8 oz of cranberry juice is > > allowed daily while taking coumadin. Is this the > > latest research? For those who work in a hospital > > setting, what steps do you take to limit cranberry > > juice on a clear liquid diet? Do you go ahead and > > limit cranberry juice on every tray to avoid > > problems? > > Thanks, > > Webber MS, RD, LD > > Princeton, WV > > > > > This message is intended for the use of the addressee only and may contain > information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the > intended > recipient of this message, be notified that any dissemination or use of > this > message is strictly prohibited. Un-intended transmission does not > constitute > waiver of attorney-client privilege or any other privilege. If you have > received this message in error, please delete all copies of the message and > its attachments and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 From what I've read, the latest human trials says that " normal " amounts of cranberry products has an effect on coumadin treatment I believe there was only problems when individuals had extremely excessive amounts (a la water intoxication) when on coumadin There is a toolkit and recent studies about the topic from the Cranberry Institute http://www.cranberryinstitute.org/ On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Mazarin wrote: > > > I was not familiar with a cranberry restriction so I just checked two > brochures put out by the company that makes coumadin and it never mentions > cranberries or cranberry juice. What is your source? > > Mazarin, MS, RD, CNS > > From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of > Cece Ohmart > Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 10:32 AM > To: rd-usa > Subject: Re: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction > > We avoid all cranberry for patients on coumadin. Bristol Myers Squibb > clearly states in their patient information that all cranberry products are > to be avoided. Until they change their patient information, we follow their > directions. " No Cranberry " is clearly stamped on menus for > coumadin/warfarin > patients. > > Cece > > ---- Original message ---- > >Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 14:08:29 -0000 > >From: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> (on behalf > of " melwv05 " <melwv05@... <mailto:melwv05%40yahoo.com> >) > >Subject: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction > >To: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > From what I have found, 8 oz of cranberry juice is > > allowed daily while taking coumadin. Is this the > > latest research? For those who work in a hospital > > setting, what steps do you take to limit cranberry > > juice on a clear liquid diet? Do you go ahead and > > limit cranberry juice on every tray to avoid > > problems? > > Thanks, > > Webber MS, RD, LD > > Princeton, WV > > > > > This message is intended for the use of the addressee only and may contain > information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the > intended > recipient of this message, be notified that any dissemination or use of > this > message is strictly prohibited. Un-intended transmission does not > constitute > waiver of attorney-client privilege or any other privilege. If you have > received this message in error, please delete all copies of the message and > its attachments and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 From what I've read, the latest human trials says that " normal " amounts of cranberry products has an effect on coumadin treatment I believe there was only problems when individuals had extremely excessive amounts (a la water intoxication) when on coumadin There is a toolkit and recent studies about the topic from the Cranberry Institute http://www.cranberryinstitute.org/ On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Mazarin wrote: > > > I was not familiar with a cranberry restriction so I just checked two > brochures put out by the company that makes coumadin and it never mentions > cranberries or cranberry juice. What is your source? > > Mazarin, MS, RD, CNS > > From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of > Cece Ohmart > Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 10:32 AM > To: rd-usa > Subject: Re: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction > > We avoid all cranberry for patients on coumadin. Bristol Myers Squibb > clearly states in their patient information that all cranberry products are > to be avoided. Until they change their patient information, we follow their > directions. " No Cranberry " is clearly stamped on menus for > coumadin/warfarin > patients. > > Cece > > ---- Original message ---- > >Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 14:08:29 -0000 > >From: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> (on behalf > of " melwv05 " <melwv05@... <mailto:melwv05%40yahoo.com> >) > >Subject: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction > >To: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > From what I have found, 8 oz of cranberry juice is > > allowed daily while taking coumadin. Is this the > > latest research? For those who work in a hospital > > setting, what steps do you take to limit cranberry > > juice on a clear liquid diet? Do you go ahead and > > limit cranberry juice on every tray to avoid > > problems? > > Thanks, > > Webber MS, RD, LD > > Princeton, WV > > > > > This message is intended for the use of the addressee only and may contain > information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the > intended > recipient of this message, be notified that any dissemination or use of > this > message is strictly prohibited. Un-intended transmission does not > constitute > waiver of attorney-client privilege or any other privilege. If you have > received this message in error, please delete all copies of the message and > its attachments and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 I'm followed this with interest. I've been seeing clients whose MDs have taken them off all vegetables when they started Coumadin tx. Not a word about Cranberries. Thanks for the link. From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of Cece Ohmart Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 11:05 AM To: rd-usa Subject: RE: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction Go to www.coumadin.com. Click on patient information. AFter the box " Important Safety Information " there is a series of bullets. The 9th bullet down addresses alcohol and cranberry products. Cece ---- Original message ---- >Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 13:54:30 -0400 >From: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> (on behalf of " Mazarin " <nm.eatrite@... <mailto:nm.eatrite%40verizon.net> >) >Subject: RE: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction >To: <rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > I was not familiar with a cranberry restriction so I > just checked two > brochures put out by the company that makes coumadin > and it never mentions > cranberries or cranberry juice. What is your source? > > Mazarin, MS, RD, CNS > > From: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of > Cece Ohmart > Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 10:32 AM > To: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction > > We avoid all cranberry for patients on coumadin. > Bristol Myers Squibb > clearly states in their patient information that all > cranberry products are > to be avoided. Until they change their patient > information, we follow their > directions. " No Cranberry " is clearly stamped on > menus for coumadin/warfarin > patients. > > Cece > > ---- Original message ---- > >Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 14:08:29 -0000 > >From: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> (on behalf > of " melwv05 " <melwv05@... <mailto:melwv05%40yahoo.com> > <mailto:melwv05%40yahoo.com> >) > >Subject: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction > >To: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > From what I have found, 8 oz of cranberry juice is > > allowed daily while taking coumadin. Is this the > > latest research? For those who work in a hospital > > setting, what steps do you take to limit cranberry > > juice on a clear liquid diet? Do you go ahead and > > limit cranberry juice on every tray to avoid > > problems? > > Thanks, > > Webber MS, RD, LD > > Princeton, WV > > > > > This message is intended for the use of the > addressee only and may contain > information that is privileged and confidential. If > you are not the intended > recipient of this message, be notified that any > dissemination or use of this > message is strictly prohibited. Un-intended > transmission does not constitute > waiver of attorney-client privilege or any other > privilege. If you have > received this message in error, please delete all > copies of the message and > its attachments and notify the sender immediately. > Thank you. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > This message is intended for the use of the addressee only and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, be notified that any dissemination or use of this message is strictly prohibited. Un-intended transmission does not constitute waiver of attorney-client privilege or any other privilege. If you have received this message in error, please delete all copies of the message and its attachments and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 I'm followed this with interest. I've been seeing clients whose MDs have taken them off all vegetables when they started Coumadin tx. Not a word about Cranberries. Thanks for the link. From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of Cece Ohmart Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 11:05 AM To: rd-usa Subject: RE: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction Go to www.coumadin.com. Click on patient information. AFter the box " Important Safety Information " there is a series of bullets. The 9th bullet down addresses alcohol and cranberry products. Cece ---- Original message ---- >Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 13:54:30 -0400 >From: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> (on behalf of " Mazarin " <nm.eatrite@... <mailto:nm.eatrite%40verizon.net> >) >Subject: RE: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction >To: <rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > I was not familiar with a cranberry restriction so I > just checked two > brochures put out by the company that makes coumadin > and it never mentions > cranberries or cranberry juice. What is your source? > > Mazarin, MS, RD, CNS > > From: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of > Cece Ohmart > Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 10:32 AM > To: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction > > We avoid all cranberry for patients on coumadin. > Bristol Myers Squibb > clearly states in their patient information that all > cranberry products are > to be avoided. Until they change their patient > information, we follow their > directions. " No Cranberry " is clearly stamped on > menus for coumadin/warfarin > patients. > > Cece > > ---- Original message ---- > >Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 14:08:29 -0000 > >From: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> (on behalf > of " melwv05 " <melwv05@... <mailto:melwv05%40yahoo.com> > <mailto:melwv05%40yahoo.com> >) > >Subject: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction > >To: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > From what I have found, 8 oz of cranberry juice is > > allowed daily while taking coumadin. Is this the > > latest research? For those who work in a hospital > > setting, what steps do you take to limit cranberry > > juice on a clear liquid diet? Do you go ahead and > > limit cranberry juice on every tray to avoid > > problems? > > Thanks, > > Webber MS, RD, LD > > Princeton, WV > > > > > This message is intended for the use of the > addressee only and may contain > information that is privileged and confidential. If > you are not the intended > recipient of this message, be notified that any > dissemination or use of this > message is strictly prohibited. Un-intended > transmission does not constitute > waiver of attorney-client privilege or any other > privilege. If you have > received this message in error, please delete all > copies of the message and > its attachments and notify the sender immediately. > Thank you. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > This message is intended for the use of the addressee only and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, be notified that any dissemination or use of this message is strictly prohibited. Un-intended transmission does not constitute waiver of attorney-client privilege or any other privilege. If you have received this message in error, please delete all copies of the message and its attachments and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 I was recently on Coumadin for two weeks after major surgery. The only thing I was told by the surgeon and the physician's assistant was to make no significant changes to my typical diet. They specifically mentioned to not increase my usual intake of high Vit K foods but did not mention cranberries at all. Alchol was also not mentioned but I already knew I could not have any because of a conflict with another medication. Anne Jackisch Largo, FL Coumadin/Cranberry interaction > >To: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>; > <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>; > > > > > > > > From what I have found, 8 oz of cranberry juice is > > allowed daily while taking coumadin. Is this the > > latest research? For those who work in a hospital > > setting, what steps do you take to limit cranberry > > juice on a clear liquid diet? Do you go ahead and > > limit cranberry juice on every tray to avoid > > problems? > > Thanks, > > Webber MS, RD, LD > > Princeton, WV > > > > > This message is intended for the use of the > addressee only and may contain > information that is privileged and confidential. If > you are not the intended > recipient of this message, be notified that any > dissemination or use of this > message is strictly prohibited. Un-intended > transmission does not constitute > waiver of attorney-client privilege or any other > privilege. If you have > received this message in error, please delete all > copies of the message and > its attachments and notify the sender immediately. > Thank you. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > This message is intended for the use of the addressee only and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, be notified that any dissemination or use of this message is strictly prohibited. Un-intended transmission does not constitute waiver of attorney-client privilege or any other privilege. If you have received this message in error, please delete all copies of the message and its attachments and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 I was recently on Coumadin for two weeks after major surgery. The only thing I was told by the surgeon and the physician's assistant was to make no significant changes to my typical diet. They specifically mentioned to not increase my usual intake of high Vit K foods but did not mention cranberries at all. Alchol was also not mentioned but I already knew I could not have any because of a conflict with another medication. Anne Jackisch Largo, FL Coumadin/Cranberry interaction > >To: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>; > <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>; > > > > > > > > From what I have found, 8 oz of cranberry juice is > > allowed daily while taking coumadin. Is this the > > latest research? For those who work in a hospital > > setting, what steps do you take to limit cranberry > > juice on a clear liquid diet? Do you go ahead and > > limit cranberry juice on every tray to avoid > > problems? > > Thanks, > > Webber MS, RD, LD > > Princeton, WV > > > > > This message is intended for the use of the > addressee only and may contain > information that is privileged and confidential. If > you are not the intended > recipient of this message, be notified that any > dissemination or use of this > message is strictly prohibited. Un-intended > transmission does not constitute > waiver of attorney-client privilege or any other > privilege. If you have > received this message in error, please delete all > copies of the message and > its attachments and notify the sender immediately. > Thank you. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > This message is intended for the use of the addressee only and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, be notified that any dissemination or use of this message is strictly prohibited. Un-intended transmission does not constitute waiver of attorney-client privilege or any other privilege. If you have received this message in error, please delete all copies of the message and its attachments and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 I find this very interesting. The Vitamin K registery put out by PT/INR test shows cranberry juice as low in Vit K 0-7 mg. I work in a CCRC with a nursing home and we give everyone 16 oz of cranberry juice a day and have not reported any problems. Our UTI rate is almost 0. I also have counseled a patient with very tight control on his Vit K for 25 years (nothing green or with green relatives only carrots and mushrooms as vegetables) and he only drinks cranberry juice for his beverages and never has had a problem. A quick look at the comments on the studies indicate that the information is inconclusive with the strongest support coming from a man who started suddenly drinking 2L a day of cranberry juice per day for a UTI and one who was ill and had almost nothing but cranberry juice for 2 weeks. It kind of sounds like fear of lawsuit overkill. Also all of the information was coming from British studies and patients. Could something else be going on in the diet? Mavis , RDLD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 Cranberry juice, as you said as near 0 Vit K. However, the Cranberry-Coumadin interaction is different then with high-Vit-K foods: 1. Cranberry juice interacts with coumadin the way Alcohol will do with anti-depressants/abx etc, it enhances the drug activity. YOu can drink it in limited amount. YOur pts who been drinking 16Oz of it daily possibly are on lower doses of Coumadin therefore stable within therapeutic levels. 2. Vit K interaction is completely different: Coumadin is designed to undo Vit K coagulative activity, not the other way around. So - Vit K rich foods are allowed only if they are consumed in the same amount every day. In other words, if I am on coumadin, and I report eating spinach 1/2 a cup every single day, I can continue doing so. However, if I eat that once a week, then I should avoid it all together. In a hospital setting, or any institute, where the pt does not have effect on the menu selection (they may choose preference out of what available but cannot choose what is available every day) - if the facility serves lettuce every day, the same amount, they can continue to eat it (not to mention, to achieve Vit K high levels in lettuce you have to eat a head of lettuce or more). The study sited below also question the bioavailability of Vit K from these high vit K foods like spinach and broccoli, they suggest that even though the content is 1000+mcg, that not all and maybe less then 1/2 is actually available to our body, but this part is not conclusive. Effect of Vit K Intake on the stability of oral anticoagulant treatment: Dose-response relationship in healthy subjects, Blood 2004 (14) 2682-2689 Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDN A dietitian, not the food police. http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments that take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget the truth, they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road) To: rd-usa From: mimco@... Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 11:15:50 +0000 Subject: Re: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction I find this very interesting. The Vitamin K registery put out by PT/INR test shows cranberry juice as low in Vit K 0-7 mg. I work in a CCRC with a nursing home and we give everyone 16 oz of cranberry juice a day and have not reported any problems. Our UTI rate is almost 0. I also have counseled a patient with very tight control on his Vit K for 25 years (nothing green or with green relatives only carrots and mushrooms as vegetables) and he only drinks cranberry juice for his beverages and never has had a problem. A quick look at the comments on the studies indicate that the information is inconclusive with the strongest support coming from a man who started suddenly drinking 2L a day of cranberry juice per day for a UTI and one who was ill and had almost nothing but cranberry juice for 2 weeks. It kind of sounds like fear of lawsuit overkill. Also all of the information was coming from British studies and patients. Could something else be going on in the diet? Mavis , RDLD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 This explanation and citation is greatly appreciated. I will try to find the original. Shall I post it? Mazarin, M.S., R.D. Re: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction I find this very interesting. The Vitamin K registery put out by PT/INR test shows cranberry juice as low in Vit K 0-7 mg. I work in a CCRC with a nursing home and we give everyone 16 oz of cranberry juice a day and have not reported any problems. Our UTI rate is almost 0. I also have counseled a patient with very tight control on his Vit K for 25 years (nothing green or with green relatives only carrots and mushrooms as vegetables) and he only drinks cranberry juice for his beverages and never has had a problem. A quick look at the comments on the studies indicate that the information is inconclusive with the strongest support coming from a man who started suddenly drinking 2L a day of cranberry juice per day for a UTI and one who was ill and had almost nothing but cranberry juice for 2 weeks. It kind of sounds like fear of lawsuit overkill. Also all of the information was coming from British studies and patients. Could something else be going on in the diet? Mavis , RDLD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 This explanation and citation is greatly appreciated. I will try to find the original. Shall I post it? Mazarin, M.S., R.D. Re: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction I find this very interesting. The Vitamin K registery put out by PT/INR test shows cranberry juice as low in Vit K 0-7 mg. I work in a CCRC with a nursing home and we give everyone 16 oz of cranberry juice a day and have not reported any problems. Our UTI rate is almost 0. I also have counseled a patient with very tight control on his Vit K for 25 years (nothing green or with green relatives only carrots and mushrooms as vegetables) and he only drinks cranberry juice for his beverages and never has had a problem. A quick look at the comments on the studies indicate that the information is inconclusive with the strongest support coming from a man who started suddenly drinking 2L a day of cranberry juice per day for a UTI and one who was ill and had almost nothing but cranberry juice for 2 weeks. It kind of sounds like fear of lawsuit overkill. Also all of the information was coming from British studies and patients. Could something else be going on in the diet? Mavis , RDLD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 By all means Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDN A dietitian, not the food police. http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments that take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget the truth, they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road) To: rd-usa From: nm.eatrite@... Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 09:06:52 -0400 Subject: RE: Re: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction This explanation and citation is greatly appreciated. I will try to find the original. Shall I post it? Mazarin, M.S., R.D. Re: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction I find this very interesting. The Vitamin K registery put out by PT/INR test shows cranberry juice as low in Vit K 0-7 mg. I work in a CCRC with a nursing home and we give everyone 16 oz of cranberry juice a day and have not reported any problems. Our UTI rate is almost 0. I also have counseled a patient with very tight control on his Vit K for 25 years (nothing green or with green relatives only carrots and mushrooms as vegetables) and he only drinks cranberry juice for his beverages and never has had a problem. A quick look at the comments on the studies indicate that the information is inconclusive with the strongest support coming from a man who started suddenly drinking 2L a day of cranberry juice per day for a UTI and one who was ill and had almost nothing but cranberry juice for 2 weeks. It kind of sounds like fear of lawsuit overkill. Also all of the information was coming from British studies and patients. Could something else be going on in the diet? Mavis , RDLD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 By all means Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDN A dietitian, not the food police. http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments that take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget the truth, they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road) To: rd-usa From: nm.eatrite@... Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 09:06:52 -0400 Subject: RE: Re: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction This explanation and citation is greatly appreciated. I will try to find the original. Shall I post it? Mazarin, M.S., R.D. Re: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction I find this very interesting. The Vitamin K registery put out by PT/INR test shows cranberry juice as low in Vit K 0-7 mg. I work in a CCRC with a nursing home and we give everyone 16 oz of cranberry juice a day and have not reported any problems. Our UTI rate is almost 0. I also have counseled a patient with very tight control on his Vit K for 25 years (nothing green or with green relatives only carrots and mushrooms as vegetables) and he only drinks cranberry juice for his beverages and never has had a problem. A quick look at the comments on the studies indicate that the information is inconclusive with the strongest support coming from a man who started suddenly drinking 2L a day of cranberry juice per day for a UTI and one who was ill and had almost nothing but cranberry juice for 2 weeks. It kind of sounds like fear of lawsuit overkill. Also all of the information was coming from British studies and patients. Could something else be going on in the diet? Mavis , RDLD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 My practice is not to be concerned about eliminating foods of any type, as long as the intake of each remains more or less the same each day. Institutional menus usually have a number of required servings, so that's a simple process. And providing 16 oz of cranberry juice a day I would say is within the guidelines I use and have read; to maintain a stable intake of food, not increasing and decreasing daily. That way the doc can adjust the dosage to an effective level with no adverse effects. As with everything, data can be manipulated by those using it. I don't want to eliminate any food group or type of food from anyone's diet, rather I work at manipulating quantities, preparation methods, and doing some education at all levels. Digna From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of mimco_2000 Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 4:16 AM To: rd-usa Subject: Re: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction I find this very interesting. The Vitamin K registery put out by PT/INR test shows cranberry juice as low in Vit K 0-7 mg. I work in a CCRC with a nursing home and we give everyone 16 oz of cranberry juice a day and have not reported any problems. Our UTI rate is almost 0. I also have counseled a patient with very tight control on his Vit K for 25 years (nothing green or with green relatives only carrots and mushrooms as vegetables) and he only drinks cranberry juice for his beverages and never has had a problem. A quick look at the comments on the studies indicate that the information is inconclusive with the strongest support coming from a man who started suddenly drinking 2L a day of cranberry juice per day for a UTI and one who was ill and had almost nothing but cranberry juice for 2 weeks. It kind of sounds like fear of lawsuit overkill. Also all of the information was coming from British studies and patients. Could something else be going on in the diet? Mavis , RDLD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 I would appreciate it as I'm running into more and more patients whose MDs have told them to not eat ANY vegetables! Digna From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of Mazarin Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 6:07 AM To: rd-usa Subject: RE: Re: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction This explanation and citation is greatly appreciated. I will try to find the original. Shall I post it? Mazarin, M.S., R.D. Re: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction I find this very interesting. The Vitamin K registery put out by PT/INR test shows cranberry juice as low in Vit K 0-7 mg. I work in a CCRC with a nursing home and we give everyone 16 oz of cranberry juice a day and have not reported any problems. Our UTI rate is almost 0. I also have counseled a patient with very tight control on his Vit K for 25 years (nothing green or with green relatives only carrots and mushrooms as vegetables) and he only drinks cranberry juice for his beverages and never has had a problem. A quick look at the comments on the studies indicate that the information is inconclusive with the strongest support coming from a man who started suddenly drinking 2L a day of cranberry juice per day for a UTI and one who was ill and had almost nothing but cranberry juice for 2 weeks. It kind of sounds like fear of lawsuit overkill. Also all of the information was coming from British studies and patients. Could something else be going on in the diet? Mavis , RDLD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 Exactly, that should be the practice and most MDs don't realize that their recommendations to avoid all vegetable are not only not practical but also not healthy and not with accordance to clinical guidance. Just to enhance things a bit. When pts are completely avoiding Vit K, their INR could be very high, and sometimes, if there is no immediate risk of bleeding, the treatment may me increasing Vit K intake, instead of manipulating the drug again. Also - , if you have pts who avoided Vit K and you want to start them to eat vit K foods, given that they will maintain a consistent amount of these food daily (consistency and daily is key), you may want to inform the MD to follow closely with INR to ensure therapeutic levels. It may flaxuate till it is stable but according to this study, it may still remain within therapeutic levels. Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDN A dietitian, not the food police. http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments that take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget the truth, they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road) To: rd-usa From: dignacassens@... Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 08:52:25 -0700 Subject: RE: Re: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction My practice is not to be concerned about eliminating foods of any type, as long as the intake of each remains more or less the same each day. Institutional menus usually have a number of required servings, so that's a simple process. And providing 16 oz of cranberry juice a day I would say is within the guidelines I use and have read; to maintain a stable intake of food, not increasing and decreasing daily. That way the doc can adjust the dosage to an effective level with no adverse effects. As with everything, data can be manipulated by those using it. I don't want to eliminate any food group or type of food from anyone's diet, rather I work at manipulating quantities, preparation methods, and doing some education at all levels. Digna From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of mimco_2000 Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 4:16 AM To: rd-usa Subject: Re: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction I find this very interesting. The Vitamin K registery put out by PT/INR test shows cranberry juice as low in Vit K 0-7 mg. I work in a CCRC with a nursing home and we give everyone 16 oz of cranberry juice a day and have not reported any problems. Our UTI rate is almost 0. I also have counseled a patient with very tight control on his Vit K for 25 years (nothing green or with green relatives only carrots and mushrooms as vegetables) and he only drinks cranberry juice for his beverages and never has had a problem. A quick look at the comments on the studies indicate that the information is inconclusive with the strongest support coming from a man who started suddenly drinking 2L a day of cranberry juice per day for a UTI and one who was ill and had almost nothing but cranberry juice for 2 weeks. It kind of sounds like fear of lawsuit overkill. Also all of the information was coming from British studies and patients. Could something else be going on in the diet? Mavis , RDLD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 Exactly, that should be the practice and most MDs don't realize that their recommendations to avoid all vegetable are not only not practical but also not healthy and not with accordance to clinical guidance. Just to enhance things a bit. When pts are completely avoiding Vit K, their INR could be very high, and sometimes, if there is no immediate risk of bleeding, the treatment may me increasing Vit K intake, instead of manipulating the drug again. Also - , if you have pts who avoided Vit K and you want to start them to eat vit K foods, given that they will maintain a consistent amount of these food daily (consistency and daily is key), you may want to inform the MD to follow closely with INR to ensure therapeutic levels. It may flaxuate till it is stable but according to this study, it may still remain within therapeutic levels. Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDN A dietitian, not the food police. http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments that take your breath away. " - Carlin " People don't forget the truth, they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary Road) To: rd-usa From: dignacassens@... Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 08:52:25 -0700 Subject: RE: Re: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction My practice is not to be concerned about eliminating foods of any type, as long as the intake of each remains more or less the same each day. Institutional menus usually have a number of required servings, so that's a simple process. And providing 16 oz of cranberry juice a day I would say is within the guidelines I use and have read; to maintain a stable intake of food, not increasing and decreasing daily. That way the doc can adjust the dosage to an effective level with no adverse effects. As with everything, data can be manipulated by those using it. I don't want to eliminate any food group or type of food from anyone's diet, rather I work at manipulating quantities, preparation methods, and doing some education at all levels. Digna From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of mimco_2000 Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 4:16 AM To: rd-usa Subject: Re: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction I find this very interesting. The Vitamin K registery put out by PT/INR test shows cranberry juice as low in Vit K 0-7 mg. I work in a CCRC with a nursing home and we give everyone 16 oz of cranberry juice a day and have not reported any problems. Our UTI rate is almost 0. I also have counseled a patient with very tight control on his Vit K for 25 years (nothing green or with green relatives only carrots and mushrooms as vegetables) and he only drinks cranberry juice for his beverages and never has had a problem. A quick look at the comments on the studies indicate that the information is inconclusive with the strongest support coming from a man who started suddenly drinking 2L a day of cranberry juice per day for a UTI and one who was ill and had almost nothing but cranberry juice for 2 weeks. It kind of sounds like fear of lawsuit overkill. Also all of the information was coming from British studies and patients. Could something else be going on in the diet? Mavis , RDLD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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