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We avoid all cranberry for patients on coumadin. Bristol Myers Squibb clearly

states in their patient information that all cranberry products are to be

avoided. Until they change their patient information, we follow their

directions. " No Cranberry " is clearly stamped on menus for coumadin/warfarin

patients.

Cece

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>Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 14:08:29 -0000

>From: rd-usa (on behalf of " melwv05 " )

>Subject: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction

>To: rd-usa

>

>

>

> From what I have found, 8 oz of cranberry juice is

> allowed daily while taking coumadin. Is this the

> latest research? For those who work in a hospital

> setting, what steps do you take to limit cranberry

> juice on a clear liquid diet? Do you go ahead and

> limit cranberry juice on every tray to avoid

> problems?

> Thanks,

> Webber MS, RD, LD

> Princeton, WV

>

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I was not familiar with a cranberry restriction so I just checked two

brochures put out by the company that makes coumadin and it never mentions

cranberries or cranberry juice. What is your source?

Mazarin, MS, RD, CNS

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

Cece Ohmart

Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 10:32 AM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Re: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction

We avoid all cranberry for patients on coumadin. Bristol Myers Squibb

clearly states in their patient information that all cranberry products are

to be avoided. Until they change their patient information, we follow their

directions. " No Cranberry " is clearly stamped on menus for coumadin/warfarin

patients.

Cece

---- Original message ----

>Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 14:08:29 -0000

>From: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> (on behalf

of " melwv05 " <melwv05@... <mailto:melwv05%40yahoo.com> >)

>Subject: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction

>To: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

>

>

>

> From what I have found, 8 oz of cranberry juice is

> allowed daily while taking coumadin. Is this the

> latest research? For those who work in a hospital

> setting, what steps do you take to limit cranberry

> juice on a clear liquid diet? Do you go ahead and

> limit cranberry juice on every tray to avoid

> problems?

> Thanks,

> Webber MS, RD, LD

> Princeton, WV

>

>

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Go to www.coumadin.com. Click on patient information. AFter the box " Important

Safety Information " there is a series of bullets. The 9th bullet down addresses

alcohol and cranberry products.

Cece

---- Original message ----

>Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 13:54:30 -0400

>From: rd-usa (on behalf of " Mazarin "

)

>Subject: RE: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction

>To: <rd-usa >

>

>

>

> I was not familiar with a cranberry restriction so I

> just checked two

> brochures put out by the company that makes coumadin

> and it never mentions

> cranberries or cranberry juice. What is your source?

>

> Mazarin, MS, RD, CNS

>

> From: rd-usa

> [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

> Cece Ohmart

> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 10:32 AM

> To: rd-usa

> Subject: Re: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction

>

> We avoid all cranberry for patients on coumadin.

> Bristol Myers Squibb

> clearly states in their patient information that all

> cranberry products are

> to be avoided. Until they change their patient

> information, we follow their

> directions. " No Cranberry " is clearly stamped on

> menus for coumadin/warfarin

> patients.

>

> Cece

>

> ---- Original message ----

> >Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 14:08:29 -0000

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> <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> (on behalf

> of " melwv05 " <melwv05@...

> <mailto:melwv05%40yahoo.com> >)

> >Subject: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction

> >To: rd-usa

> <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> >

> >

> >

> > From what I have found, 8 oz of cranberry juice is

> > allowed daily while taking coumadin. Is this the

> > latest research? For those who work in a hospital

> > setting, what steps do you take to limit cranberry

> > juice on a clear liquid diet? Do you go ahead and

> > limit cranberry juice on every tray to avoid

> > problems?

> > Thanks,

> > Webber MS, RD, LD

> > Princeton, WV

> >

> >

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From what I've read, the latest human trials says that " normal " amounts of

cranberry products has an effect on coumadin treatment

I believe there was only problems when individuals had extremely excessive

amounts (a la water intoxication) when on coumadin

There is a toolkit and recent studies about the topic from the Cranberry

Institute

http://www.cranberryinstitute.org/

On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Mazarin wrote:

>

>

> I was not familiar with a cranberry restriction so I just checked two

> brochures put out by the company that makes coumadin and it never mentions

> cranberries or cranberry juice. What is your source?

>

> Mazarin, MS, RD, CNS

>

> From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

> Cece Ohmart

> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 10:32 AM

> To: rd-usa

> Subject: Re: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction

>

> We avoid all cranberry for patients on coumadin. Bristol Myers Squibb

> clearly states in their patient information that all cranberry products are

> to be avoided. Until they change their patient information, we follow their

> directions. " No Cranberry " is clearly stamped on menus for

> coumadin/warfarin

> patients.

>

> Cece

>

> ---- Original message ----

> >Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 14:08:29 -0000

> >From: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> (on behalf

> of " melwv05 " <melwv05@... <mailto:melwv05%40yahoo.com> >)

> >Subject: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction

> >To: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> >

> >

> >

> > From what I have found, 8 oz of cranberry juice is

> > allowed daily while taking coumadin. Is this the

> > latest research? For those who work in a hospital

> > setting, what steps do you take to limit cranberry

> > juice on a clear liquid diet? Do you go ahead and

> > limit cranberry juice on every tray to avoid

> > problems?

> > Thanks,

> > Webber MS, RD, LD

> > Princeton, WV

> >

> >

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From what I've read, the latest human trials says that " normal " amounts of

cranberry products has an effect on coumadin treatment

I believe there was only problems when individuals had extremely excessive

amounts (a la water intoxication) when on coumadin

There is a toolkit and recent studies about the topic from the Cranberry

Institute

http://www.cranberryinstitute.org/

On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Mazarin wrote:

>

>

> I was not familiar with a cranberry restriction so I just checked two

> brochures put out by the company that makes coumadin and it never mentions

> cranberries or cranberry juice. What is your source?

>

> Mazarin, MS, RD, CNS

>

> From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

> Cece Ohmart

> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 10:32 AM

> To: rd-usa

> Subject: Re: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction

>

> We avoid all cranberry for patients on coumadin. Bristol Myers Squibb

> clearly states in their patient information that all cranberry products are

> to be avoided. Until they change their patient information, we follow their

> directions. " No Cranberry " is clearly stamped on menus for

> coumadin/warfarin

> patients.

>

> Cece

>

> ---- Original message ----

> >Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 14:08:29 -0000

> >From: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> (on behalf

> of " melwv05 " <melwv05@... <mailto:melwv05%40yahoo.com> >)

> >Subject: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction

> >To: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> >

> >

> >

> > From what I have found, 8 oz of cranberry juice is

> > allowed daily while taking coumadin. Is this the

> > latest research? For those who work in a hospital

> > setting, what steps do you take to limit cranberry

> > juice on a clear liquid diet? Do you go ahead and

> > limit cranberry juice on every tray to avoid

> > problems?

> > Thanks,

> > Webber MS, RD, LD

> > Princeton, WV

> >

> >

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From what I've read, the latest human trials says that " normal " amounts of

cranberry products has an effect on coumadin treatment

I believe there was only problems when individuals had extremely excessive

amounts (a la water intoxication) when on coumadin

There is a toolkit and recent studies about the topic from the Cranberry

Institute

http://www.cranberryinstitute.org/

On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Mazarin wrote:

>

>

> I was not familiar with a cranberry restriction so I just checked two

> brochures put out by the company that makes coumadin and it never mentions

> cranberries or cranberry juice. What is your source?

>

> Mazarin, MS, RD, CNS

>

> From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

> Cece Ohmart

> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 10:32 AM

> To: rd-usa

> Subject: Re: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction

>

> We avoid all cranberry for patients on coumadin. Bristol Myers Squibb

> clearly states in their patient information that all cranberry products are

> to be avoided. Until they change their patient information, we follow their

> directions. " No Cranberry " is clearly stamped on menus for

> coumadin/warfarin

> patients.

>

> Cece

>

> ---- Original message ----

> >Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 14:08:29 -0000

> >From: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> (on behalf

> of " melwv05 " <melwv05@... <mailto:melwv05%40yahoo.com> >)

> >Subject: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction

> >To: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> >

> >

> >

> > From what I have found, 8 oz of cranberry juice is

> > allowed daily while taking coumadin. Is this the

> > latest research? For those who work in a hospital

> > setting, what steps do you take to limit cranberry

> > juice on a clear liquid diet? Do you go ahead and

> > limit cranberry juice on every tray to avoid

> > problems?

> > Thanks,

> > Webber MS, RD, LD

> > Princeton, WV

> >

> >

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I'm followed this with interest. I've been seeing clients whose MDs have

taken them off all vegetables when they started Coumadin tx. Not a word

about Cranberries. Thanks for the link.

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

Cece Ohmart

Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 11:05 AM

To: rd-usa

Subject: RE: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction

Go to www.coumadin.com. Click on patient information. AFter the box

" Important Safety Information " there is a series of bullets. The 9th bullet

down addresses alcohol and cranberry products.

Cece

---- Original message ----

>Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 13:54:30 -0400

>From: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> (on behalf

of " Mazarin " <nm.eatrite@... <mailto:nm.eatrite%40verizon.net>

>)

>Subject: RE: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction

>To: <rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> >

>

>

>

> I was not familiar with a cranberry restriction so I

> just checked two

> brochures put out by the company that makes coumadin

> and it never mentions

> cranberries or cranberry juice. What is your source?

>

> Mazarin, MS, RD, CNS

>

> From: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> [mailto:rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> ] On

Behalf Of

> Cece Ohmart

> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 10:32 AM

> To: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> Subject: Re: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction

>

> We avoid all cranberry for patients on coumadin.

> Bristol Myers Squibb

> clearly states in their patient information that all

> cranberry products are

> to be avoided. Until they change their patient

> information, we follow their

> directions. " No Cranberry " is clearly stamped on

> menus for coumadin/warfarin

> patients.

>

> Cece

>

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> >Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 14:08:29 -0000

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> <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> (on behalf

> of " melwv05 " <melwv05@... <mailto:melwv05%40yahoo.com>

> <mailto:melwv05%40yahoo.com> >)

> >Subject: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction

> >To: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> >

> >

> >

> > From what I have found, 8 oz of cranberry juice is

> > allowed daily while taking coumadin. Is this the

> > latest research? For those who work in a hospital

> > setting, what steps do you take to limit cranberry

> > juice on a clear liquid diet? Do you go ahead and

> > limit cranberry juice on every tray to avoid

> > problems?

> > Thanks,

> > Webber MS, RD, LD

> > Princeton, WV

> >

> >

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I'm followed this with interest. I've been seeing clients whose MDs have

taken them off all vegetables when they started Coumadin tx. Not a word

about Cranberries. Thanks for the link.

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

Cece Ohmart

Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 11:05 AM

To: rd-usa

Subject: RE: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction

Go to www.coumadin.com. Click on patient information. AFter the box

" Important Safety Information " there is a series of bullets. The 9th bullet

down addresses alcohol and cranberry products.

Cece

---- Original message ----

>Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 13:54:30 -0400

>From: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> (on behalf

of " Mazarin " <nm.eatrite@... <mailto:nm.eatrite%40verizon.net>

>)

>Subject: RE: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction

>To: <rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> >

>

>

>

> I was not familiar with a cranberry restriction so I

> just checked two

> brochures put out by the company that makes coumadin

> and it never mentions

> cranberries or cranberry juice. What is your source?

>

> Mazarin, MS, RD, CNS

>

> From: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> [mailto:rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> ] On

Behalf Of

> Cece Ohmart

> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 10:32 AM

> To: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> Subject: Re: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction

>

> We avoid all cranberry for patients on coumadin.

> Bristol Myers Squibb

> clearly states in their patient information that all

> cranberry products are

> to be avoided. Until they change their patient

> information, we follow their

> directions. " No Cranberry " is clearly stamped on

> menus for coumadin/warfarin

> patients.

>

> Cece

>

> ---- Original message ----

> >Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 14:08:29 -0000

> >From: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> (on behalf

> of " melwv05 " <melwv05@... <mailto:melwv05%40yahoo.com>

> <mailto:melwv05%40yahoo.com> >)

> >Subject: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction

> >To: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> >

> >

> >

> > From what I have found, 8 oz of cranberry juice is

> > allowed daily while taking coumadin. Is this the

> > latest research? For those who work in a hospital

> > setting, what steps do you take to limit cranberry

> > juice on a clear liquid diet? Do you go ahead and

> > limit cranberry juice on every tray to avoid

> > problems?

> > Thanks,

> > Webber MS, RD, LD

> > Princeton, WV

> >

> >

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I was recently on Coumadin for two weeks after major surgery. The only thing I

was told by the surgeon and the physician's assistant was to make no significant

changes to my typical diet. They specifically mentioned to not increase my

usual intake of high Vit K foods but did not mention cranberries at all. Alchol

was also not mentioned but I already knew I could not have any because of a

conflict with another medication.

Anne Jackisch

Largo, FL

Coumadin/Cranberry interaction

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> <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>;

> >

> >

> >

> > From what I have found, 8 oz of cranberry juice is

> > allowed daily while taking coumadin. Is this the

> > latest research? For those who work in a hospital

> > setting, what steps do you take to limit cranberry

> > juice on a clear liquid diet? Do you go ahead and

> > limit cranberry juice on every tray to avoid

> > problems?

> > Thanks,

> > Webber MS, RD, LD

> > Princeton, WV

> >

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I was recently on Coumadin for two weeks after major surgery. The only thing I

was told by the surgeon and the physician's assistant was to make no significant

changes to my typical diet. They specifically mentioned to not increase my

usual intake of high Vit K foods but did not mention cranberries at all. Alchol

was also not mentioned but I already knew I could not have any because of a

conflict with another medication.

Anne Jackisch

Largo, FL

Coumadin/Cranberry interaction

> >To: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>;

> <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>;

> >

> >

> >

> > From what I have found, 8 oz of cranberry juice is

> > allowed daily while taking coumadin. Is this the

> > latest research? For those who work in a hospital

> > setting, what steps do you take to limit cranberry

> > juice on a clear liquid diet? Do you go ahead and

> > limit cranberry juice on every tray to avoid

> > problems?

> > Thanks,

> > Webber MS, RD, LD

> > Princeton, WV

> >

> >

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I find this very interesting. The Vitamin K registery put out by PT/INR test

shows cranberry juice as low in Vit K 0-7 mg. I work in a CCRC with a nursing

home and we give everyone 16 oz of cranberry juice a day and have not reported

any problems. Our UTI rate is almost 0. I also have counseled a patient with

very tight control on his Vit K for 25 years (nothing green or with green

relatives only carrots and mushrooms as vegetables) and he only drinks cranberry

juice for his beverages and never has had a problem. A quick look at the

comments on the studies indicate that the information is inconclusive with the

strongest support coming from a man who started suddenly drinking 2L a day of

cranberry juice per day for a UTI and one who was ill and had almost nothing

but cranberry juice for 2 weeks. It kind of sounds like fear of lawsuit

overkill. Also all of the information was coming from British studies and

patients. Could something else be going on in the diet?

Mavis , RDLD

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Cranberry juice, as you said as near 0 Vit K. However, the Cranberry-Coumadin

interaction is different then with high-Vit-K foods:

1. Cranberry juice interacts with coumadin the way Alcohol will do with

anti-depressants/abx etc, it enhances the drug activity. YOu can drink it in

limited amount. YOur pts who been drinking 16Oz of it daily possibly are on

lower doses of Coumadin therefore stable within therapeutic levels.

2. Vit K interaction is completely different: Coumadin is designed to undo Vit K

coagulative activity, not the other way around. So - Vit K rich foods are

allowed only if they are consumed in the same amount every day. In other words,

if I am on coumadin, and I report eating spinach 1/2 a cup every single day, I

can continue doing so. However, if I eat that once a week, then I should avoid

it all together. In a hospital setting, or any institute, where the pt does not

have effect on the menu selection (they may choose preference out of what

available but cannot choose what is available every day) - if the facility

serves lettuce every day, the same amount, they can continue to eat it (not to

mention, to achieve Vit K high levels in lettuce you have to eat a head of

lettuce or more). The study sited below also question the bioavailability of Vit

K from these high vit K foods like spinach and broccoli, they suggest that even

though the content is 1000+mcg, that not all and maybe less then 1/2 is actually

available to our body, but this part is not conclusive.

Effect of Vit K Intake on the stability of oral anticoagulant treatment:

Dose-response relationship in healthy subjects, Blood 2004 (14) 2682-2689

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDN

A dietitian, not the food police.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

" Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments that

take your breath away. " - Carlin

" People don't forget the truth, they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary

Road)

To: rd-usa

From: mimco@...

Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 11:15:50 +0000

Subject: Re: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction

I find this very interesting. The Vitamin K registery put out by PT/INR test

shows cranberry juice as low in Vit K 0-7 mg. I work in a CCRC with a nursing

home and we give everyone 16 oz of cranberry juice a day and have not reported

any problems. Our UTI rate is almost 0. I also have counseled a patient with

very tight control on his Vit K for 25 years (nothing green or with green

relatives only carrots and mushrooms as vegetables) and he only drinks cranberry

juice for his beverages and never has had a problem. A quick look at the

comments on the studies indicate that the information is inconclusive with the

strongest support coming from a man who started suddenly drinking 2L a day of

cranberry juice per day for a UTI and one who was ill and had almost nothing but

cranberry juice for 2 weeks. It kind of sounds like fear of lawsuit overkill.

Also all of the information was coming from British studies and patients. Could

something else be going on in the diet?

Mavis , RDLD

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This explanation and citation is greatly appreciated. I will try to find

the original. Shall I post it?

Mazarin, M.S., R.D.

Re: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction

I find this very interesting. The Vitamin K registery put out by PT/INR test

shows cranberry juice as low in Vit K 0-7 mg. I work in a CCRC with a

nursing home and we give everyone 16 oz of cranberry juice a day and have

not reported any problems. Our UTI rate is almost 0. I also have counseled a

patient with very tight control on his Vit K for 25 years (nothing green or

with green relatives only carrots and mushrooms as vegetables) and he only

drinks cranberry juice for his beverages and never has had a problem. A

quick look at the comments on the studies indicate that the information is

inconclusive with the strongest support coming from a man who started

suddenly drinking 2L a day of cranberry juice per day for a UTI and one who

was ill and had almost nothing but cranberry juice for 2 weeks. It kind of

sounds like fear of lawsuit overkill. Also all of the information was coming

from British studies and patients. Could something else be going on in the

diet?

Mavis , RDLD

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This explanation and citation is greatly appreciated. I will try to find

the original. Shall I post it?

Mazarin, M.S., R.D.

Re: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction

I find this very interesting. The Vitamin K registery put out by PT/INR test

shows cranberry juice as low in Vit K 0-7 mg. I work in a CCRC with a

nursing home and we give everyone 16 oz of cranberry juice a day and have

not reported any problems. Our UTI rate is almost 0. I also have counseled a

patient with very tight control on his Vit K for 25 years (nothing green or

with green relatives only carrots and mushrooms as vegetables) and he only

drinks cranberry juice for his beverages and never has had a problem. A

quick look at the comments on the studies indicate that the information is

inconclusive with the strongest support coming from a man who started

suddenly drinking 2L a day of cranberry juice per day for a UTI and one who

was ill and had almost nothing but cranberry juice for 2 weeks. It kind of

sounds like fear of lawsuit overkill. Also all of the information was coming

from British studies and patients. Could something else be going on in the

diet?

Mavis , RDLD

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By all means

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDN

A dietitian, not the food police.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

" Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments that

take your breath away. " - Carlin

" People don't forget the truth, they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary

Road)

To: rd-usa

From: nm.eatrite@...

Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 09:06:52 -0400

Subject: RE: Re: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction

This explanation and citation is greatly appreciated. I will try to find

the original. Shall I post it?

Mazarin, M.S., R.D.

Re: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction

I find this very interesting. The Vitamin K registery put out by PT/INR test

shows cranberry juice as low in Vit K 0-7 mg. I work in a CCRC with a

nursing home and we give everyone 16 oz of cranberry juice a day and have

not reported any problems. Our UTI rate is almost 0. I also have counseled a

patient with very tight control on his Vit K for 25 years (nothing green or

with green relatives only carrots and mushrooms as vegetables) and he only

drinks cranberry juice for his beverages and never has had a problem. A

quick look at the comments on the studies indicate that the information is

inconclusive with the strongest support coming from a man who started

suddenly drinking 2L a day of cranberry juice per day for a UTI and one who

was ill and had almost nothing but cranberry juice for 2 weeks. It kind of

sounds like fear of lawsuit overkill. Also all of the information was coming

from British studies and patients. Could something else be going on in the

diet?

Mavis , RDLD

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By all means

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDN

A dietitian, not the food police.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

" Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments that

take your breath away. " - Carlin

" People don't forget the truth, they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary

Road)

To: rd-usa

From: nm.eatrite@...

Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 09:06:52 -0400

Subject: RE: Re: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction

This explanation and citation is greatly appreciated. I will try to find

the original. Shall I post it?

Mazarin, M.S., R.D.

Re: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction

I find this very interesting. The Vitamin K registery put out by PT/INR test

shows cranberry juice as low in Vit K 0-7 mg. I work in a CCRC with a

nursing home and we give everyone 16 oz of cranberry juice a day and have

not reported any problems. Our UTI rate is almost 0. I also have counseled a

patient with very tight control on his Vit K for 25 years (nothing green or

with green relatives only carrots and mushrooms as vegetables) and he only

drinks cranberry juice for his beverages and never has had a problem. A

quick look at the comments on the studies indicate that the information is

inconclusive with the strongest support coming from a man who started

suddenly drinking 2L a day of cranberry juice per day for a UTI and one who

was ill and had almost nothing but cranberry juice for 2 weeks. It kind of

sounds like fear of lawsuit overkill. Also all of the information was coming

from British studies and patients. Could something else be going on in the

diet?

Mavis , RDLD

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My practice is not to be concerned about eliminating foods of any type, as

long as the intake of each remains more or less the same each day.

Institutional menus usually have a number of required servings, so that's a

simple process. And providing 16 oz of cranberry juice a day I would say is

within the guidelines I use and have read; to maintain a stable intake of

food, not increasing and decreasing daily. That way the doc can adjust the

dosage to an effective level with no adverse effects. As with everything,

data can be manipulated by those using it. I don't want to eliminate any

food group or type of food from anyone's diet, rather I work at manipulating

quantities, preparation methods, and doing some education at all levels.

Digna

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

mimco_2000

Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 4:16 AM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Re: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction

I find this very interesting. The Vitamin K registery put out by PT/INR test

shows cranberry juice as low in Vit K 0-7 mg. I work in a CCRC with a

nursing home and we give everyone 16 oz of cranberry juice a day and have

not reported any problems. Our UTI rate is almost 0. I also have counseled a

patient with very tight control on his Vit K for 25 years (nothing green or

with green relatives only carrots and mushrooms as vegetables) and he only

drinks cranberry juice for his beverages and never has had a problem. A

quick look at the comments on the studies indicate that the information is

inconclusive with the strongest support coming from a man who started

suddenly drinking 2L a day of cranberry juice per day for a UTI and one who

was ill and had almost nothing but cranberry juice for 2 weeks. It kind of

sounds like fear of lawsuit overkill. Also all of the information was coming

from British studies and patients. Could something else be going on in the

diet?

Mavis , RDLD

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I would appreciate it as I'm running into more and more patients whose MDs

have told them to not eat ANY vegetables!

Digna

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

Mazarin

Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 6:07 AM

To: rd-usa

Subject: RE: Re: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction

This explanation and citation is greatly appreciated. I will try to find

the original. Shall I post it?

Mazarin, M.S., R.D.

Re: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction

I find this very interesting. The Vitamin K registery put out by PT/INR test

shows cranberry juice as low in Vit K 0-7 mg. I work in a CCRC with a

nursing home and we give everyone 16 oz of cranberry juice a day and have

not reported any problems. Our UTI rate is almost 0. I also have counseled a

patient with very tight control on his Vit K for 25 years (nothing green or

with green relatives only carrots and mushrooms as vegetables) and he only

drinks cranberry juice for his beverages and never has had a problem. A

quick look at the comments on the studies indicate that the information is

inconclusive with the strongest support coming from a man who started

suddenly drinking 2L a day of cranberry juice per day for a UTI and one who

was ill and had almost nothing but cranberry juice for 2 weeks. It kind of

sounds like fear of lawsuit overkill. Also all of the information was coming

from British studies and patients. Could something else be going on in the

diet?

Mavis , RDLD

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Exactly, that should be the practice and most MDs don't realize that their

recommendations to avoid all vegetable are not only not practical but also not

healthy and not with accordance to clinical guidance.

Just to enhance things a bit. When pts are completely avoiding Vit K, their INR

could be very high, and sometimes, if there is no immediate risk of bleeding,

the treatment may me increasing Vit K intake, instead of manipulating the drug

again.

Also - , if you have pts who avoided Vit K and you want to start them to eat vit

K foods, given that they will maintain a consistent amount of these food daily

(consistency and daily is key), you may want to inform the MD to follow closely

with INR to ensure therapeutic levels. It may flaxuate till it is stable but

according to this study, it may still remain within therapeutic levels.

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDN

A dietitian, not the food police.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

" Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments that

take your breath away. " - Carlin

" People don't forget the truth, they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary

Road)

To: rd-usa

From: dignacassens@...

Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 08:52:25 -0700

Subject: RE: Re: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction

My practice is not to be concerned about eliminating foods of any type, as

long as the intake of each remains more or less the same each day.

Institutional menus usually have a number of required servings, so that's a

simple process. And providing 16 oz of cranberry juice a day I would say is

within the guidelines I use and have read; to maintain a stable intake of

food, not increasing and decreasing daily. That way the doc can adjust the

dosage to an effective level with no adverse effects. As with everything,

data can be manipulated by those using it. I don't want to eliminate any

food group or type of food from anyone's diet, rather I work at manipulating

quantities, preparation methods, and doing some education at all levels.

Digna

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

mimco_2000

Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 4:16 AM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Re: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction

I find this very interesting. The Vitamin K registery put out by PT/INR test

shows cranberry juice as low in Vit K 0-7 mg. I work in a CCRC with a

nursing home and we give everyone 16 oz of cranberry juice a day and have

not reported any problems. Our UTI rate is almost 0. I also have counseled a

patient with very tight control on his Vit K for 25 years (nothing green or

with green relatives only carrots and mushrooms as vegetables) and he only

drinks cranberry juice for his beverages and never has had a problem. A

quick look at the comments on the studies indicate that the information is

inconclusive with the strongest support coming from a man who started

suddenly drinking 2L a day of cranberry juice per day for a UTI and one who

was ill and had almost nothing but cranberry juice for 2 weeks. It kind of

sounds like fear of lawsuit overkill. Also all of the information was coming

from British studies and patients. Could something else be going on in the

diet?

Mavis , RDLD

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Exactly, that should be the practice and most MDs don't realize that their

recommendations to avoid all vegetable are not only not practical but also not

healthy and not with accordance to clinical guidance.

Just to enhance things a bit. When pts are completely avoiding Vit K, their INR

could be very high, and sometimes, if there is no immediate risk of bleeding,

the treatment may me increasing Vit K intake, instead of manipulating the drug

again.

Also - , if you have pts who avoided Vit K and you want to start them to eat vit

K foods, given that they will maintain a consistent amount of these food daily

(consistency and daily is key), you may want to inform the MD to follow closely

with INR to ensure therapeutic levels. It may flaxuate till it is stable but

according to this study, it may still remain within therapeutic levels.

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDN

A dietitian, not the food police.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

" Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments that

take your breath away. " - Carlin

" People don't forget the truth, they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary

Road)

To: rd-usa

From: dignacassens@...

Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 08:52:25 -0700

Subject: RE: Re: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction

My practice is not to be concerned about eliminating foods of any type, as

long as the intake of each remains more or less the same each day.

Institutional menus usually have a number of required servings, so that's a

simple process. And providing 16 oz of cranberry juice a day I would say is

within the guidelines I use and have read; to maintain a stable intake of

food, not increasing and decreasing daily. That way the doc can adjust the

dosage to an effective level with no adverse effects. As with everything,

data can be manipulated by those using it. I don't want to eliminate any

food group or type of food from anyone's diet, rather I work at manipulating

quantities, preparation methods, and doing some education at all levels.

Digna

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

mimco_2000

Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 4:16 AM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Re: Coumadin/Cranberry interaction

I find this very interesting. The Vitamin K registery put out by PT/INR test

shows cranberry juice as low in Vit K 0-7 mg. I work in a CCRC with a

nursing home and we give everyone 16 oz of cranberry juice a day and have

not reported any problems. Our UTI rate is almost 0. I also have counseled a

patient with very tight control on his Vit K for 25 years (nothing green or

with green relatives only carrots and mushrooms as vegetables) and he only

drinks cranberry juice for his beverages and never has had a problem. A

quick look at the comments on the studies indicate that the information is

inconclusive with the strongest support coming from a man who started

suddenly drinking 2L a day of cranberry juice per day for a UTI and one who

was ill and had almost nothing but cranberry juice for 2 weeks. It kind of

sounds like fear of lawsuit overkill. Also all of the information was coming

from British studies and patients. Could something else be going on in the

diet?

Mavis , RDLD

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