RE: Re: Government recommends lying to children/value of honesty

[Guest guest]

I'm not sure why you want to confuse pretending with lying. Two completely

different things. If you want to hide a purse and tell someone to go find it for

exercise, then no need to lie about it. Everyone knows there is pretense going

on. That's fun. If someone doesn't want to see the difference in lying and

pretending, well maybe there are some real values missing there. To answer your

question: Honesty is the value lost in lying. Seems so simple. The difference in

lying and pretending seems so clear. I can't believe we're being castigated for

valuing honesty. Truthfulness and avoiding lying is POSITIVE, not negative.

W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT

Long Term Care Consulting

Montana State Hospital

Montana Developmental Center

Certified LEAP Therapist

Owner, InfoSites

www.elk-hunting-tips.net<http://www.elk-hunting-tips.net/>

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From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

utnutritionprof

Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:57 AM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Re: Government recommends lying to children

I guess the difference between pretending and lying is your political point of

view.

What American values are in jeopardy because a game of pretend gets kids active?

what is the difference between " hiding a purse " and throwing a " hot potato " ?

I guess people who see negative just see negative.

Debra

> >

> > Jan, I do agree with you and feel that trickery is not a positive way to get

a person moving. So are you supposed to do this several times a day, and keep

thinking of new tricks?

> > How does that teach the value of exercise? The commercial was just a one

time thing, but this has to go on daily in order for it to be effective. Just

take the kid on a nature walk

> > for heavens sake, and have it be a learning experience rather than running

around the house looking for a purse that's semi-hidden on purpose. Why didn't

they do a commercial on

> > a family hiking, playing in the park together, walking to the store, washing

the car, etc? Teach the children the values of staying busy!

> >

> >

> > Everyone else seems to think this is cute, and I'm not sure why.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Jacquelyn A. Pressly, RD, CLT

> > The NATURAL dietitian

> > Specializing in Wellness and Prevention, Personal Nutrition Coaching

> > and Designer Lifestyle Plans to help you get on the health track

> > Northeast Ohio & Western Pennsylvania

> > Internet and telecounseling available for distance clients

> >

> > jpress50@

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

What about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.... we completely fabricate

them... just wondering how you guys would sort that out?

If we can " lie " about them existing... can't we use that tactic to benefit

kids health?

Forgive me, my email split up all this topic, so I'm not sure I saw the

first part of it.

> **

>

>

> I'm not sure why you want to confuse pretending with lying. Two completely

> different things. If you want to hide a purse and tell someone to go find it

> for exercise, then no need to lie about it. Everyone knows there is pretense

> going on. That's fun. If someone doesn't want to see the difference in lying

> and pretending, well maybe there are some real values missing there. To

> answer your question: Honesty is the value lost in lying. Seems so simple.

> The difference in lying and pretending seems so clear. I can't believe we're

> being castigated for valuing honesty. Truthfulness and avoiding lying is

> POSITIVE, not negative.

>

> W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT

>

> Long Term Care Consulting

>

> Montana State Hospital

>

> Montana Developmental Center

>

> Certified LEAP Therapist

>

> Owner, InfoSites

>

> www.elk-hunting-tips.net<http://www.elk-hunting-tips.net/>

>

> www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com<

> http://www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com/>

>

> From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

> utnutritionprof

> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:57 AM

> To: rd-usa

> Subject: Re: Government recommends lying to children

>

> I guess the difference between pretending and lying is your political point

> of view.

>

> What American values are in jeopardy because a game of pretend gets kids

> active? what is the difference between " hiding a purse " and throwing a " hot

> potato " ?

>

> I guess people who see negative just see negative.

> Debra

>

>

> > >

> > > Jan, I do agree with you and feel that trickery is not a positive way

> to get a person moving. So are you supposed to do this several times a day,

> and keep thinking of new tricks?

> > > How does that teach the value of exercise? The commercial was just a

> one time thing, but this has to go on daily in order for it to be effective.

> Just take the kid on a nature walk

> > > for heavens sake, and have it be a learning experience rather than

> running around the house looking for a purse that's semi-hidden on purpose.

> Why didn't they do a commercial on

> > > a family hiking, playing in the park together, walking to the store,

> washing the car, etc? Teach the children the values of staying busy!

> > >

> > >

> > > Everyone else seems to think this is cute, and I'm not sure why.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Jacquelyn A. Pressly, RD, CLT

> > > The NATURAL dietitian

> > > Specializing in Wellness and Prevention, Personal Nutrition Coaching

> > > and Designer Lifestyle Plans to help you get on the health track

> > > Northeast Ohio & Western Pennsylvania

> > > Internet and telecounseling available for distance clients

> > >

> > > jpress50@

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

We pretended and the boys knew it was for pretend. They weren't into the Easter

Bunny, though. Probably because my wife and I weren't.

W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT

Long Term Care Consulting

Montana State Hospital

Montana Developmental Center

Certified LEAP Therapist

Owner, InfoSites

www.elk-hunting-tips.net

www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com

Re: Government recommends lying to children

>

> I guess the difference between pretending and lying is your political point

> of view.

>

> What American values are in jeopardy because a game of pretend gets kids

> active? what is the difference between " hiding a purse " and throwing a " hot

> potato " ?

>

> I guess people who see negative just see negative.

> Debra

>

>

> > >

> > > Jan, I do agree with you and feel that trickery is not a positive way

> to get a person moving. So are you supposed to do this several times a day,

> and keep thinking of new tricks?

> > > How does that teach the value of exercise? The commercial was just a

> one time thing, but this has to go on daily in order for it to be effective.

> Just take the kid on a nature walk

> > > for heavens sake, and have it be a learning experience rather than

> running around the house looking for a purse that's semi-hidden on purpose.

> Why didn't they do a commercial on

> > > a family hiking, playing in the park together, walking to the store,

> washing the car, etc? Teach the children the values of staying busy!

> > >

> > >

> > > Everyone else seems to think this is cute, and I'm not sure why.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Jacquelyn A. Pressly, RD, CLT

> > > The NATURAL dietitian

> > > Specializing in Wellness and Prevention, Personal Nutrition Coaching

> > > and Designer Lifestyle Plans to help you get on the health track

> > > Northeast Ohio & Western Pennsylvania

> > > Internet and telecounseling available for distance clients

> > >

> > > jpress50@

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Yeah, that's sweet! Bring politics into a completely benign conversation.

Way to go!

and by the way, he completely lied.

>

> SO I guess you would say Anthoney Weiner PRETENDED it wasn't his pics on

> Twitter, but he DIDN'T LIE about it????????

> Why couldn't the mother just play " hide-n'seek " and gets them moving? Was

> the mother " faking " her own run for the purse?

>

> Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDN

> A dietitian, not the food police.

>

> http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

>

>

>

>

>

>

> " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments

> that take your breath away. " - Carlin

> " People don't forget the truth, they just become better in lying "

> (Revolutionary Road)

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> To: rd-usa

> From: drowell@...

> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:09:37 +0000

> Subject: RE: Re: Government recommends lying to children/value of

> honesty

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I'm not sure why you want to confuse pretending with lying. Two completely

> different things. If you want to hide a purse and tell someone to go find it

> for exercise, then no need to lie about it. Everyone knows there is pretense

> going on. That's fun. If someone doesn't want to see the difference in lying

> and pretending, well maybe there are some real values missing there. To

> answer your question: Honesty is the value lost in lying. Seems so simple.

> The difference in lying and pretending seems so clear. I can't believe we're

> being castigated for valuing honesty. Truthfulness and avoiding lying is

> POSITIVE, not negative.

>

> W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT

>

> Long Term Care Consulting

>

> Montana State Hospital

>

> Montana Developmental Center

>

> Certified LEAP Therapist

>

> Owner, InfoSites

>

> www.elk-hunting-tips.net<http://www.elk-hunting-tips.net/>

>

> www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com<

> http://www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com/>

>

> From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

> utnutritionprof

> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:57 AM

> To: rd-usa

> Subject: Re: Government recommends lying to children

>

> I guess the difference between pretending and lying is your political point

> of view.

>

> What American values are in jeopardy because a game of pretend gets kids

> active? what is the difference between " hiding a purse " and throwing a " hot

> potato " ?

>

> I guess people who see negative just see negative.

> Debra

>

>

> > >

> > > Jan, I do agree with you and feel that trickery is not a positive way

> to get a person moving. So are you supposed to do this several times a day,

> and keep thinking of new tricks?

> > > How does that teach the value of exercise? The commercial was just a

> one time thing, but this has to go on daily in order for it to be effective.

> Just take the kid on a nature walk

> > > for heavens sake, and have it be a learning experience rather than

> running around the house looking for a purse that's semi-hidden on purpose.

> Why didn't they do a commercial on

> > > a family hiking, playing in the park together, walking to the store,

> washing the car, etc? Teach the children the values of staying busy!

> > >

> > >

> > > Everyone else seems to think this is cute, and I'm not sure why.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Jacquelyn A. Pressly, RD, CLT

> > > The NATURAL dietitian

> > > Specializing in Wellness and Prevention, Personal Nutrition Coaching

> > > and Designer Lifestyle Plans to help you get on the health track

> > > Northeast Ohio & Western Pennsylvania

> > > Internet and telecounseling available for distance clients

> > >

> > > jpress50@

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Yeah, that's sweet! Bring politics into a completely benign conversation.

Way to go!

and by the way, he completely lied.

>

> SO I guess you would say Anthoney Weiner PRETENDED it wasn't his pics on

> Twitter, but he DIDN'T LIE about it????????

> Why couldn't the mother just play " hide-n'seek " and gets them moving? Was

> the mother " faking " her own run for the purse?

>

> Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDN

> A dietitian, not the food police.

>

> http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

>

>

>

>

>

>

> " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments

> that take your breath away. " - Carlin

> " People don't forget the truth, they just become better in lying "

> (Revolutionary Road)

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> To: rd-usa

> From: drowell@...

> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:09:37 +0000

> Subject: RE: Re: Government recommends lying to children/value of

> honesty

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I'm not sure why you want to confuse pretending with lying. Two completely

> different things. If you want to hide a purse and tell someone to go find it

> for exercise, then no need to lie about it. Everyone knows there is pretense

> going on. That's fun. If someone doesn't want to see the difference in lying

> and pretending, well maybe there are some real values missing there. To

> answer your question: Honesty is the value lost in lying. Seems so simple.

> The difference in lying and pretending seems so clear. I can't believe we're

> being castigated for valuing honesty. Truthfulness and avoiding lying is

> POSITIVE, not negative.

>

> W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT

>

> Long Term Care Consulting

>

> Montana State Hospital

>

> Montana Developmental Center

>

> Certified LEAP Therapist

>

> Owner, InfoSites

>

> www.elk-hunting-tips.net<http://www.elk-hunting-tips.net/>

>

> www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com<

> http://www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com/>

>

> From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

> utnutritionprof

> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:57 AM

> To: rd-usa

> Subject: Re: Government recommends lying to children

>

> I guess the difference between pretending and lying is your political point

> of view.

>

> What American values are in jeopardy because a game of pretend gets kids

> active? what is the difference between " hiding a purse " and throwing a " hot

> potato " ?

>

> I guess people who see negative just see negative.

> Debra

>

>

> > >

> > > Jan, I do agree with you and feel that trickery is not a positive way

> to get a person moving. So are you supposed to do this several times a day,

> and keep thinking of new tricks?

> > > How does that teach the value of exercise? The commercial was just a

> one time thing, but this has to go on daily in order for it to be effective.

> Just take the kid on a nature walk

> > > for heavens sake, and have it be a learning experience rather than

> running around the house looking for a purse that's semi-hidden on purpose.

> Why didn't they do a commercial on

> > > a family hiking, playing in the park together, walking to the store,

> washing the car, etc? Teach the children the values of staying busy!

> > >

> > >

> > > Everyone else seems to think this is cute, and I'm not sure why.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Jacquelyn A. Pressly, RD, CLT

> > > The NATURAL dietitian

> > > Specializing in Wellness and Prevention, Personal Nutrition Coaching

> > > and Designer Lifestyle Plans to help you get on the health track

> > > Northeast Ohio & Western Pennsylvania

> > > Internet and telecounseling available for distance clients

> > >

> > > jpress50@

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

From the beginning.

W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT

Long Term Care Consulting

Montana State Hospital

Montana Developmental Center

Certified LEAP Therapist

Owner, InfoSites

www.elk-hunting-tips.net

www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com

Re: Government recommends lying to children

> >

> > I guess the difference between pretending and lying is your political

> point

> > of view.

> >

> > What American values are in jeopardy because a game of pretend gets kids

> > active? what is the difference between " hiding a purse " and throwing a

> " hot

> > potato " ?

> >

> > I guess people who see negative just see negative.

> > Debra

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > > Jan, I do agree with you and feel that trickery is not a positive way

> > to get a person moving. So are you supposed to do this several times a

> day,

> > and keep thinking of new tricks?

> > > > How does that teach the value of exercise? The commercial was just a

> > one time thing, but this has to go on daily in order for it to be

> effective.

> > Just take the kid on a nature walk

> > > > for heavens sake, and have it be a learning experience rather than

> > running around the house looking for a purse that's semi-hidden on

> purpose.

> > Why didn't they do a commercial on

> > > > a family hiking, playing in the park together, walking to the store,

> > washing the car, etc? Teach the children the values of staying busy!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Everyone else seems to think this is cute, and I'm not sure why.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Jacquelyn A. Pressly, RD, CLT

> > > > The NATURAL dietitian

> > > > Specializing in Wellness and Prevention, Personal Nutrition Coaching

> > > > and Designer Lifestyle Plans to help you get on the health track

> > > > Northeast Ohio & Western Pennsylvania

> > > > Internet and telecounseling available for distance clients

> > > >

> > > > jpress50@

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

From the beginning.

W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT

Long Term Care Consulting

Montana State Hospital

Montana Developmental Center

Certified LEAP Therapist

Owner, InfoSites

www.elk-hunting-tips.net

www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com

Re: Government recommends lying to children

> >

> > I guess the difference between pretending and lying is your political

> point

> > of view.

> >

> > What American values are in jeopardy because a game of pretend gets kids

> > active? what is the difference between " hiding a purse " and throwing a

> " hot

> > potato " ?

> >

> > I guess people who see negative just see negative.

> > Debra

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > > Jan, I do agree with you and feel that trickery is not a positive way

> > to get a person moving. So are you supposed to do this several times a

> day,

> > and keep thinking of new tricks?

> > > > How does that teach the value of exercise? The commercial was just a

> > one time thing, but this has to go on daily in order for it to be

> effective.

> > Just take the kid on a nature walk

> > > > for heavens sake, and have it be a learning experience rather than

> > running around the house looking for a purse that's semi-hidden on

> purpose.

> > Why didn't they do a commercial on

> > > > a family hiking, playing in the park together, walking to the store,

> > washing the car, etc? Teach the children the values of staying busy!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Everyone else seems to think this is cute, and I'm not sure why.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Jacquelyn A. Pressly, RD, CLT

> > > > The NATURAL dietitian

> > > > Specializing in Wellness and Prevention, Personal Nutrition Coaching

> > > > and Designer Lifestyle Plans to help you get on the health track

> > > > Northeast Ohio & Western Pennsylvania

> > > > Internet and telecounseling available for distance clients

> > > >

> > > > jpress50@

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

It's not clear when the lines have been so blurred . . .

Diane Preves, M.S., R.D.

N.E.W. LIFE

Re: Government recommends lying to children

I guess the difference between pretending and lying is your political point of

view.

What American values are in jeopardy because a game of pretend gets kids

active? what is the difference between " hiding a purse " and throwing a " hot

potato " ?

I guess people who see negative just see negative.

Debra

> >

> > Jan, I do agree with you and feel that trickery is not a positive way to

get a person moving. So are you supposed to do this several times a day, and

keep thinking of new tricks?

> > How does that teach the value of exercise? The commercial was just a one

time thing, but this has to go on daily in order for it to be effective. Just

take the kid on a nature walk

> > for heavens sake, and have it be a learning experience rather than running

around the house looking for a purse that's semi-hidden on purpose. Why didn't

they do a commercial on

> > a family hiking, playing in the park together, walking to the store,

washing the car, etc? Teach the children the values of staying busy!

> >

> >

> > Everyone else seems to think this is cute, and I'm not sure why.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Jacquelyn A. Pressly, RD, CLT

> > The NATURAL dietitian

> > Specializing in Wellness and Prevention, Personal Nutrition Coaching

> > and Designer Lifestyle Plans to help you get on the health track

> > Northeast Ohio & Western Pennsylvania

> > Internet and telecounseling available for distance clients

> >

> > jpress50@

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It's not clear when the lines have been so blurred . . .

Diane Preves, M.S., R.D.

N.E.W. LIFE

Re: Government recommends lying to children

I guess the difference between pretending and lying is your political point of

view.

What American values are in jeopardy because a game of pretend gets kids

active? what is the difference between " hiding a purse " and throwing a " hot

potato " ?

I guess people who see negative just see negative.

Debra

> >

> > Jan, I do agree with you and feel that trickery is not a positive way to

get a person moving. So are you supposed to do this several times a day, and

keep thinking of new tricks?

> > How does that teach the value of exercise? The commercial was just a one

time thing, but this has to go on daily in order for it to be effective. Just

take the kid on a nature walk

> > for heavens sake, and have it be a learning experience rather than running

around the house looking for a purse that's semi-hidden on purpose. Why didn't

they do a commercial on

> > a family hiking, playing in the park together, walking to the store,

washing the car, etc? Teach the children the values of staying busy!

> >

> >

> > Everyone else seems to think this is cute, and I'm not sure why.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Jacquelyn A. Pressly, RD, CLT

> > The NATURAL dietitian

> > Specializing in Wellness and Prevention, Personal Nutrition Coaching

> > and Designer Lifestyle Plans to help you get on the health track

> > Northeast Ohio & Western Pennsylvania

> > Internet and telecounseling available for distance clients

> >

> > jpress50@

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My kids knew the truth and pretend parts of Christmas and Easter right from

the start, and to this day love the whole Christmas and Easter celebration

to the max. Besides, parents who choose to go for the " make believe " of

Santa Claus and Easter Bunny used to keep it in the very young " imaginary "

stage of very young children. How old is the child in the ad? I am

assuming old enough to need prompting to exercise, and old enough to LEARN

the difference between pretend, trick and lie? I see a lot of 40-year-old

children who seem to have not learned the difference, causing a lot of

problems for other people.

Diane

Re: Government recommends lying to children

>>

>> I guess the difference between pretending and lying is your political

>> point

>> of view.

>>

>> What American values are in jeopardy because a game of pretend gets kids

>> active? what is the difference between " hiding a purse " and throwing a

>> " hot

>> potato " ?

>>

>> I guess people who see negative just see negative.

>> Debra

>>

>>

>> > >

>> > > Jan, I do agree with you and feel that trickery is not a positive way

>> to get a person moving. So are you supposed to do this several times a

>> day,

>> and keep thinking of new tricks?

>> > > How does that teach the value of exercise? The commercial was just a

>> one time thing, but this has to go on daily in order for it to be

>> effective.

>> Just take the kid on a nature walk

>> > > for heavens sake, and have it be a learning experience rather than

>> running around the house looking for a purse that's semi-hidden on

>> purpose.

>> Why didn't they do a commercial on

>> > > a family hiking, playing in the park together, walking to the store,

>> washing the car, etc? Teach the children the values of staying busy!

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > Everyone else seems to think this is cute, and I'm not sure why.

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > Jacquelyn A. Pressly, RD, CLT

>> > > The NATURAL dietitian

>> > > Specializing in Wellness and Prevention, Personal Nutrition Coaching

>> > > and Designer Lifestyle Plans to help you get on the health track

>> > > Northeast Ohio & Western Pennsylvania

>> > > Internet and telecounseling available for distance clients

>> > >

>> > > jpress50@

>> > >

>> > >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

I do believe somebody above said it was a " political " perspective whether we

think it is pretending or lying . . .

Re: Government recommends lying to children

>

> I guess the difference between pretending and lying is your political point

> of view.

>

> What American values are in jeopardy because a game of pretend gets kids

> active? what is the difference between " hiding a purse " and throwing a " hot

> potato " ?

>

> I guess people who see negative just see negative.

> Debra

>

>

> > >

> > > Jan, I do agree with you and feel that trickery is not a positive way

> to get a person moving. So are you supposed to do this several times a day,

> and keep thinking of new tricks?

> > > How does that teach the value of exercise? The commercial was just a

> one time thing, but this has to go on daily in order for it to be effective.

> Just take the kid on a nature walk

> > > for heavens sake, and have it be a learning experience rather than

> running around the house looking for a purse that's semi-hidden on purpose.

> Why didn't they do a commercial on

> > > a family hiking, playing in the park together, walking to the store,

> washing the car, etc? Teach the children the values of staying busy!

> > >

> > >

> > > Everyone else seems to think this is cute, and I'm not sure why.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Jacquelyn A. Pressly, RD, CLT

> > > The NATURAL dietitian

> > > Specializing in Wellness and Prevention, Personal Nutrition Coaching

> > > and Designer Lifestyle Plans to help you get on the health track

> > > Northeast Ohio & Western Pennsylvania

> > > Internet and telecounseling available for distance clients

> > >

> > > jpress50@

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hey how about everyone just agree to disagree, this is getting exhausting! My

goodness!

 

 

>

> SO I guess you would say Anthoney Weiner PRETENDED it wasn't his pics on

> Twitter, but he DIDN'T LIE about it????????

> Why couldn't the mother just play " hide-n'seek " and gets them moving? Was

> the mother " faking " her own run for the purse?

>

> Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDN

> A dietitian, not the food police.

>

> http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

>

>

>

>

>

>

> " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments

> that take your breath away. " - Carlin

> " People don't forget the truth, they just become better in lying "

> (Revolutionary Road)

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> To: rd-usa

> From: drowell@...

> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:09:37 +0000

> Subject: RE: Re: Government recommends lying to children/value of

> honesty

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I'm not sure why you want to confuse pretending with lying. Two completely

> different things. If you want to hide a purse and tell someone to go find it

> for exercise, then no need to lie about it. Everyone knows there is pretense

> going on. That's fun. If someone doesn't want to see the difference in lying

> and pretending, well maybe there are some real values missing there. To

> answer your question: Honesty is the value lost in lying. Seems so simple.

> The difference in lying and pretending seems so clear. I can't believe we're

> being castigated for valuing honesty. Truthfulness and avoiding lying is

> POSITIVE, not negative.

>

> W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT

>

> Long Term Care Consulting

>

> Montana State Hospital

>

> Montana Developmental Center

>

> Certified LEAP Therapist

>

> Owner, InfoSites

>

> www.elk-hunting-tips.net<http://www.elk-hunting-tips.net/>

>

> www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com<

> http://www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com/>

>

> From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

> utnutritionprof

> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:57 AM

> To: rd-usa

> Subject: Re: Government recommends lying to children

>

> I guess the difference between pretending and lying is your political point

> of view.

>

> What American values are in jeopardy because a game of pretend gets kids

> active? what is the difference between " hiding a purse " and throwing a " hot

> potato " ?

>

> I guess people who see negative just see negative.

> Debra

>

>

> > >

> > > Jan, I do agree with you and feel that trickery is not a positive way

> to get a person moving. So are you supposed to do this several times a day,

> and keep thinking of new tricks?

> > > How does that teach the value of exercise? The commercial was just a

> one time thing, but this has to go on daily in order for it to be effective.

> Just take the kid on a nature walk

> > > for heavens sake, and have it be a learning experience rather than

> running around the house looking for a purse that's semi-hidden on purpose.

> Why didn't they do a commercial on

> > > a family hiking, playing in the park together, walking to the store,

> washing the car, etc? Teach the children the values of staying busy!

> > >

> > >

> > > Everyone else seems to think this is cute, and I'm not sure why.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Jacquelyn A. Pressly, RD, CLT

> > > The NATURAL dietitian

> > > Specializing in Wellness and Prevention, Personal Nutrition Coaching

> > > and Designer Lifestyle Plans to help you get on the health track

> > > Northeast Ohio & Western Pennsylvania

> > > Internet and telecounseling available for distance clients

> > >

> > > jpress50@

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hey how about everyone just agree to disagree, this is getting exhausting! My

goodness!

 

 

>

> SO I guess you would say Anthoney Weiner PRETENDED it wasn't his pics on

> Twitter, but he DIDN'T LIE about it????????

> Why couldn't the mother just play " hide-n'seek " and gets them moving? Was

> the mother " faking " her own run for the purse?

>

> Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDN

> A dietitian, not the food police.

>

> http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

>

>

>

>

>

>

> " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments

> that take your breath away. " - Carlin

> " People don't forget the truth, they just become better in lying "

> (Revolutionary Road)

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> To: rd-usa

> From: drowell@...

> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:09:37 +0000

> Subject: RE: Re: Government recommends lying to children/value of

> honesty

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I'm not sure why you want to confuse pretending with lying. Two completely

> different things. If you want to hide a purse and tell someone to go find it

> for exercise, then no need to lie about it. Everyone knows there is pretense

> going on. That's fun. If someone doesn't want to see the difference in lying

> and pretending, well maybe there are some real values missing there. To

> answer your question: Honesty is the value lost in lying. Seems so simple.

> The difference in lying and pretending seems so clear. I can't believe we're

> being castigated for valuing honesty. Truthfulness and avoiding lying is

> POSITIVE, not negative.

>

> W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT

>

> Long Term Care Consulting

>

> Montana State Hospital

>

> Montana Developmental Center

>

> Certified LEAP Therapist

>

> Owner, InfoSites

>

> www.elk-hunting-tips.net<http://www.elk-hunting-tips.net/>

>

> www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com<

> http://www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com/>

>

> From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

> utnutritionprof

> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:57 AM

> To: rd-usa

> Subject: Re: Government recommends lying to children

>

> I guess the difference between pretending and lying is your political point

> of view.

>

> What American values are in jeopardy because a game of pretend gets kids

> active? what is the difference between " hiding a purse " and throwing a " hot

> potato " ?

>

> I guess people who see negative just see negative.

> Debra

>

>

> > >

> > > Jan, I do agree with you and feel that trickery is not a positive way

> to get a person moving. So are you supposed to do this several times a day,

> and keep thinking of new tricks?

> > > How does that teach the value of exercise? The commercial was just a

> one time thing, but this has to go on daily in order for it to be effective.

> Just take the kid on a nature walk

> > > for heavens sake, and have it be a learning experience rather than

> running around the house looking for a purse that's semi-hidden on purpose.

> Why didn't they do a commercial on

> > > a family hiking, playing in the park together, walking to the store,

> washing the car, etc? Teach the children the values of staying busy!

> > >

> > >

> > > Everyone else seems to think this is cute, and I'm not sure why.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Jacquelyn A. Pressly, RD, CLT

> > > The NATURAL dietitian

> > > Specializing in Wellness and Prevention, Personal Nutrition Coaching

> > > and Designer Lifestyle Plans to help you get on the health track

> > > Northeast Ohio & Western Pennsylvania

> > > Internet and telecounseling available for distance clients

> > >

> > > jpress50@

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Perhaps, but her comments did nothing to further the conversation. I

honestly don't even know why I am a part of this list serve anymore.

It always ends up bringing in some kind of political nonsense.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Diane Preves M.S., R.D. <

newlife4health@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> I do believe somebody above said it was a " political " perspective whether

> we think it is pretending or lying . . .

>

>

> Re: Government recommends lying to children

> >

> > I guess the difference between pretending and lying is your political

> point

> > of view.

> >

> > What American values are in jeopardy because a game of pretend gets kids

> > active? what is the difference between " hiding a purse " and throwing a

> " hot

> > potato " ?

> >

> > I guess people who see negative just see negative.

> > Debra

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > > Jan, I do agree with you and feel that trickery is not a positive way

> > to get a person moving. So are you supposed to do this several times a

> day,

> > and keep thinking of new tricks?

> > > > How does that teach the value of exercise? The commercial was just a

> > one time thing, but this has to go on daily in order for it to be

> effective.

> > Just take the kid on a nature walk

> > > > for heavens sake, and have it be a learning experience rather than

> > running around the house looking for a purse that's semi-hidden on

> purpose.

> > Why didn't they do a commercial on

> > > > a family hiking, playing in the park together, walking to the store,

> > washing the car, etc? Teach the children the values of staying busy!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Everyone else seems to think this is cute, and I'm not sure why.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Jacquelyn A. Pressly, RD, CLT

> > > > The NATURAL dietitian

> > > > Specializing in Wellness and Prevention, Personal Nutrition Coaching

> > > > and Designer Lifestyle Plans to help you get on the health track

> > > > Northeast Ohio & Western Pennsylvania

> > > > Internet and telecounseling available for distance clients

> > > >

> > > > jpress50@

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Perhaps, but her comments did nothing to further the conversation. I

honestly don't even know why I am a part of this list serve anymore.

It always ends up bringing in some kind of political nonsense.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Diane Preves M.S., R.D. <

newlife4health@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> I do believe somebody above said it was a " political " perspective whether

> we think it is pretending or lying . . .

>

>

> Re: Government recommends lying to children

> >

> > I guess the difference between pretending and lying is your political

> point

> > of view.

> >

> > What American values are in jeopardy because a game of pretend gets kids

> > active? what is the difference between " hiding a purse " and throwing a

> " hot

> > potato " ?

> >

> > I guess people who see negative just see negative.

> > Debra

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > > Jan, I do agree with you and feel that trickery is not a positive way

> > to get a person moving. So are you supposed to do this several times a

> day,

> > and keep thinking of new tricks?

> > > > How does that teach the value of exercise? The commercial was just a

> > one time thing, but this has to go on daily in order for it to be

> effective.

> > Just take the kid on a nature walk

> > > > for heavens sake, and have it be a learning experience rather than

> > running around the house looking for a purse that's semi-hidden on

> purpose.

> > Why didn't they do a commercial on

> > > > a family hiking, playing in the park together, walking to the store,

> > washing the car, etc? Teach the children the values of staying busy!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Everyone else seems to think this is cute, and I'm not sure why.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Jacquelyn A. Pressly, RD, CLT

> > > > The NATURAL dietitian

> > > > Specializing in Wellness and Prevention, Personal Nutrition Coaching

> > > > and Designer Lifestyle Plans to help you get on the health track

> > > > Northeast Ohio & Western Pennsylvania

> > > > Internet and telecounseling available for distance clients

> > > >

> > > > jpress50@

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Jen,

I wanted to provoke, and thank you.... I succeeded ))))

But also - in case you didn't know EVERYthing is politics or tide-up to it.

Studies that support EBM are sponsored (or not) according to political interst

and finance and Let's Move initiative is POLITICAL all over it. yes, every first

lady picked a social issue that is close to her heart and important to the

nation but Mrs. Obama chose to do it without including ANY of us (and ADA keeps

quite). So now you please go and expalin to me why shouldn't Chiroprtctors and

physical trainer and HS gradutaes (again, provoking, but let me tell you my 11th

grade daughter will give a better nutrition advice then Mrs. Obama and her

team) could not give nutrition advice? Why we are fighting so hard to be the

" Food and Nutrition Specialist/experts " when you aave the First Lady ignore us

all along. yes, her initiative is important but I object strongly for how it is

done.

So if you think there is no politics is your professional life....wake us and

smell the roses.

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDN

A dietitian, not the food police.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

" Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments that

take your breath away. " - Carlin

" People don't forget the truth, they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary

Road)

> To: rd-usa

> From: jenzingaro@...

> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:31:45 -0400

> Subject: Re: Re: Government recommends lying to children/value of

honesty

>

> Perhaps, but her comments did nothing to further the conversation. I

> honestly don't even know why I am a part of this list serve anymore.

> It always ends up bringing in some kind of political nonsense.

>

> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Diane Preves M.S., R.D. <

> newlife4health@...> wrote:

>

> > **

> >

> >

> > I do believe somebody above said it was a " political " perspective whether

> > we think it is pretending or lying . . .

> >

> >

> > Re: Government recommends lying to children

> > >

> > > I guess the difference between pretending and lying is your political

> > point

> > > of view.

> > >

> > > What American values are in jeopardy because a game of pretend gets kids

> > > active? what is the difference between " hiding a purse " and throwing a

> > " hot

> > > potato " ?

> > >

> > > I guess people who see negative just see negative.

> > > Debra

> > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Jan, I do agree with you and feel that trickery is not a positive way

> > > to get a person moving. So are you supposed to do this several times a

> > day,

> > > and keep thinking of new tricks?

> > > > > How does that teach the value of exercise? The commercial was just a

> > > one time thing, but this has to go on daily in order for it to be

> > effective.

> > > Just take the kid on a nature walk

> > > > > for heavens sake, and have it be a learning experience rather than

> > > running around the house looking for a purse that's semi-hidden on

> > purpose.

> > > Why didn't they do a commercial on

> > > > > a family hiking, playing in the park together, walking to the store,

> > > washing the car, etc? Teach the children the values of staying busy!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Everyone else seems to think this is cute, and I'm not sure why.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Jacquelyn A. Pressly, RD, CLT

> > > > > The NATURAL dietitian

> > > > > Specializing in Wellness and Prevention, Personal Nutrition Coaching

> > > > > and Designer Lifestyle Plans to help you get on the health track

> > > > > Northeast Ohio & Western Pennsylvania

> > > > > Internet and telecounseling available for distance clients

> > > > >

> > > > > jpress50@

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Jen,

I wanted to provoke, and thank you.... I succeeded ))))

But also - in case you didn't know EVERYthing is politics or tide-up to it.

Studies that support EBM are sponsored (or not) according to political interst

and finance and Let's Move initiative is POLITICAL all over it. yes, every first

lady picked a social issue that is close to her heart and important to the

nation but Mrs. Obama chose to do it without including ANY of us (and ADA keeps

quite). So now you please go and expalin to me why shouldn't Chiroprtctors and

physical trainer and HS gradutaes (again, provoking, but let me tell you my 11th

grade daughter will give a better nutrition advice then Mrs. Obama and her

team) could not give nutrition advice? Why we are fighting so hard to be the

" Food and Nutrition Specialist/experts " when you aave the First Lady ignore us

all along. yes, her initiative is important but I object strongly for how it is

done.

So if you think there is no politics is your professional life....wake us and

smell the roses.

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDN

A dietitian, not the food police.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

" Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments that

take your breath away. " - Carlin

" People don't forget the truth, they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary

Road)

> To: rd-usa

> From: jenzingaro@...

> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:31:45 -0400

> Subject: Re: Re: Government recommends lying to children/value of

honesty

>

> Perhaps, but her comments did nothing to further the conversation. I

> honestly don't even know why I am a part of this list serve anymore.

> It always ends up bringing in some kind of political nonsense.

>

> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Diane Preves M.S., R.D. <

> newlife4health@...> wrote:

>

> > **

> >

> >

> > I do believe somebody above said it was a " political " perspective whether

> > we think it is pretending or lying . . .

> >

> >

> > Re: Government recommends lying to children

> > >

> > > I guess the difference between pretending and lying is your political

> > point

> > > of view.

> > >

> > > What American values are in jeopardy because a game of pretend gets kids

> > > active? what is the difference between " hiding a purse " and throwing a

> > " hot

> > > potato " ?

> > >

> > > I guess people who see negative just see negative.

> > > Debra

> > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Jan, I do agree with you and feel that trickery is not a positive way

> > > to get a person moving. So are you supposed to do this several times a

> > day,

> > > and keep thinking of new tricks?

> > > > > How does that teach the value of exercise? The commercial was just a

> > > one time thing, but this has to go on daily in order for it to be

> > effective.

> > > Just take the kid on a nature walk

> > > > > for heavens sake, and have it be a learning experience rather than

> > > running around the house looking for a purse that's semi-hidden on

> > purpose.

> > > Why didn't they do a commercial on

> > > > > a family hiking, playing in the park together, walking to the store,

> > > washing the car, etc? Teach the children the values of staying busy!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Everyone else seems to think this is cute, and I'm not sure why.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Jacquelyn A. Pressly, RD, CLT

> > > > > The NATURAL dietitian

> > > > > Specializing in Wellness and Prevention, Personal Nutrition Coaching

> > > > > and Designer Lifestyle Plans to help you get on the health track

> > > > > Northeast Ohio & Western Pennsylvania

> > > > > Internet and telecounseling available for distance clients

> > > > >

> > > > > jpress50@

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Wow. How about you provoke people with ideas instead of an idiotic

statement about an idiot congressman. How bout you start a thread

about your problem with the let's move initiative and include why you

believe they are giving out false information. Went to the website

and saw reasonable recommendations. it sounds like your problem is

with the messenger rather than the message.

I don't think we should get pissy about something just b/c it comes

from the government. Would be nice if we could all use each other as

partners to achieve goals.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Jen,

>

> I wanted to provoke, and thank you.... I succeeded ))))

> But also - in case you didn't know EVERYthing is politics or tide-up to it.

Studies that support EBM are sponsored (or not) according to political interst

and finance and Let's Move initiative is POLITICAL all over it. yes, every first

lady picked a social issue that is close to her heart and important to the

nation but Mrs. Obama chose to do it without including ANY of us (and ADA keeps

quite). So now you please go and expalin to me why shouldn't Chiroprtctors and

physical trainer and HS gradutaes (again, provoking, but let me tell you my 11th

grade daughter will give a better nutrition advice then Mrs. Obama and her

team) could not give nutrition advice? Why we are fighting so hard to be the

" Food and Nutrition Specialist/experts " when you aave the First Lady ignore us

all along. yes, her initiative is important but I object strongly for how it is

done.

> So if you think there is no politics is your professional life....wake us and

smell the roses.

>

> Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDN

> A dietitian, not the food police.

>

> http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

>

> " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments

that take your breath away. " - Carlin

> " People don't forget the truth, they just become better in lying "

(Revolutionary Road)

>

>> To: rd-usa

>> From: jenzingaro@...

>> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:31:45 -0400

>> Subject: Re: Re: Government recommends lying to children/value of

honesty

>>

>> Perhaps, but her comments did nothing to further the conversation. I

>> honestly don't even know why I am a part of this list serve anymore.

>> It always ends up bringing in some kind of political nonsense.

>>

>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Diane Preves M.S., R.D. <

>> newlife4health@...> wrote:

>>

>> > **

>> >

>> >

>> > I do believe somebody above said it was a " political " perspective whether

>> > we think it is pretending or lying . . .

>> >

>> >

>> > RE: Re: Government recommends lying to children/value

>> > of

>> > > honesty

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > I'm not sure why you want to confuse pretending with lying. Two

>> > completely

>> > > different things. If you want to hide a purse and tell someone to go find

>> > it

>> > > for exercise, then no need to lie about it. Everyone knows there is

>> > pretense

>> > > going on. That's fun. If someone doesn't want to see the difference in

>> > lying

>> > > and pretending, well maybe there are some real values missing there. To

>> > > answer your question: Honesty is the value lost in lying. Seems so

>> > simple.

>> > > The difference in lying and pretending seems so clear. I can't believe

>> > we're

>> > > being castigated for valuing honesty. Truthfulness and avoiding lying is

>> > > POSITIVE, not negative.

>> > >

>> > > W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT

>> > >

>> > > Long Term Care Consulting

>> > >

>> > > Montana State Hospital

>> > >

>> > > Montana Developmental Center

>> > >

>> > > Certified LEAP Therapist

>> > >

>> > > Owner, InfoSites

>> > >

>> > > www.elk-hunting-tips.net<http://www.elk-hunting-tips.net/>

>> > >

>> > > www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com<

>> > > http://www <http://www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com/>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

No, we were talking about whether or not it is OK to lie to your kids. Reread

the posts. I stated several times I hadn't seen the commercial. My comments were

not about the commercial Jan mentioned, but in response to posts saying it was

OK to lie to your children to get results. I disagreed because I see

truthfulness (not all truth in a situation should be verbalized; as in " that

dress is ugly! " ). I was responding to those posts that seemed to indicate the

submitter saw pretending games in the same light as outright lying, otherwise we

would never have discussed Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny. If it wasn't you

that was confusing the two, good for you.

W. Rowell, RD, LN

Montana State Hospital, Warm Spring, MT

Consultant Dietitian, Long Term Care

Certified LEAP Therapist

Owner, InfoSites: Content-rich Website Development

www.elk-hunting-tips.net<http://www.elk-hunting-tips.net>

www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com<http://www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com>

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

utnutritionprof

Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 4:33 PM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Re: Government recommends lying to children/value of honesty

What really bothers me about this entire thread is that I am very sure that some

of the folks that are commenting have not taken the time to watch the campaign

advertisements. It amazes me that a professional can make post after post about

something that they have not seen. This is prejudice.

I do not confuse pretending with lying and agree they are very different.

I was and never will castigate anyone for valuing honesty. Please reread my

comments. I clearly stated that when I watched the ad, I interpreted the scene

as the mom pretending she did not know where her purse was and her daughter was

running around. I interpreted it as hide and seek rather than the mom lying.

How that got to your diatribe is very unclear to me.

And I asked - if we, on this list, do have American values - can't we have the

right to have different interpretations? Just because one person says LYING and

WRONG does that mean everyone has to see it this way?

In my research - I have followed a number of ad campaigns aimed to get kids

active. Have you seen the ones from Australia?

Lets face it. If anyone really had the answer of how to get kids (and adults) to

eat healthy and exercise - we would probably have a house right next to Bill

Gates and would certainly not be on this list serve

So there are different tries and different approaches. None will work for

everyone. We don't have to like all of the approaches

If I still believed in Santa - I would just ask

1. Please watch the video yourself and draw your own conclusions

2. Realize that not everyone will see this as the government recommending lying

to children.

3. Even if you do not like the approach of the video - it is not making a

widespread recommendation to for lying to children

4. Respect the views of others. Civilized people can agree to disagree

5. Reread my posts - again - I started this by saying I interpreted the ad as

pretending not lying - I never said that lying was good or that we should use it

as a technique with children.

Debra

>

> I'm not sure why you want to confuse pretending with lying. Two completely

different things. If you want to hide a purse and tell someone to go find it for

exercise, then no need to lie about it. Everyone knows there is pretense going

on. That's fun. If someone doesn't want to see the difference in lying and

pretending, well maybe there are some real values missing there. To answer your

question: Honesty is the value lost in lying. Seems so simple. The difference in

lying and pretending seems so clear. I can't believe we're being castigated for

valuing honesty. Truthfulness and avoiding lying is POSITIVE, not negative.

>

>

> W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT

>

> Long Term Care Consulting

>

> Montana State Hospital

>

>

[Guest guest]

No, we were talking about whether or not it is OK to lie to your kids. Reread

the posts. I stated several times I hadn't seen the commercial. My comments were

not about the commercial Jan mentioned, but in response to posts saying it was

OK to lie to your children to get results. I disagreed because I see

truthfulness (not all truth in a situation should be verbalized; as in " that

dress is ugly! " ). I was responding to those posts that seemed to indicate the

submitter saw pretending games in the same light as outright lying, otherwise we

would never have discussed Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny. If it wasn't you

that was confusing the two, good for you.

W. Rowell, RD, LN

Montana State Hospital, Warm Spring, MT

Consultant Dietitian, Long Term Care

Certified LEAP Therapist

Owner, InfoSites: Content-rich Website Development

www.elk-hunting-tips.net<http://www.elk-hunting-tips.net>

www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com<http://www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com>

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

utnutritionprof

Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 4:33 PM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Re: Government recommends lying to children/value of honesty

What really bothers me about this entire thread is that I am very sure that some

of the folks that are commenting have not taken the time to watch the campaign

advertisements. It amazes me that a professional can make post after post about

something that they have not seen. This is prejudice.

I do not confuse pretending with lying and agree they are very different.

I was and never will castigate anyone for valuing honesty. Please reread my

comments. I clearly stated that when I watched the ad, I interpreted the scene

as the mom pretending she did not know where her purse was and her daughter was

running around. I interpreted it as hide and seek rather than the mom lying.

How that got to your diatribe is very unclear to me.

And I asked - if we, on this list, do have American values - can't we have the

right to have different interpretations? Just because one person says LYING and

WRONG does that mean everyone has to see it this way?

In my research - I have followed a number of ad campaigns aimed to get kids

active. Have you seen the ones from Australia?

Lets face it. If anyone really had the answer of how to get kids (and adults) to

eat healthy and exercise - we would probably have a house right next to Bill

Gates and would certainly not be on this list serve

So there are different tries and different approaches. None will work for

everyone. We don't have to like all of the approaches

If I still believed in Santa - I would just ask

1. Please watch the video yourself and draw your own conclusions

2. Realize that not everyone will see this as the government recommending lying

to children.

3. Even if you do not like the approach of the video - it is not making a

widespread recommendation to for lying to children

4. Respect the views of others. Civilized people can agree to disagree

5. Reread my posts - again - I started this by saying I interpreted the ad as

pretending not lying - I never said that lying was good or that we should use it

as a technique with children.

Debra

>

> I'm not sure why you want to confuse pretending with lying. Two completely

different things. If you want to hide a purse and tell someone to go find it for

exercise, then no need to lie about it. Everyone knows there is pretense going

on. That's fun. If someone doesn't want to see the difference in lying and

pretending, well maybe there are some real values missing there. To answer your

question: Honesty is the value lost in lying. Seems so simple. The difference in

lying and pretending seems so clear. I can't believe we're being castigated for

valuing honesty. Truthfulness and avoiding lying is POSITIVE, not negative.

>

>

> W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT

>

> Long Term Care Consulting

>

> Montana State Hospital

>

>

[Guest guest]

No, we were talking about whether or not it is OK to lie to your kids. Reread

the posts. I stated several times I hadn't seen the commercial. My comments were

not about the commercial Jan mentioned, but in response to posts saying it was

OK to lie to your children to get results. I disagreed because I see

truthfulness (not all truth in a situation should be verbalized; as in " that

dress is ugly! " ). I was responding to those posts that seemed to indicate the

submitter saw pretending games in the same light as outright lying, otherwise we

would never have discussed Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny. If it wasn't you

that was confusing the two, good for you.

W. Rowell, RD, LN

Montana State Hospital, Warm Spring, MT

Consultant Dietitian, Long Term Care

Certified LEAP Therapist

Owner, InfoSites: Content-rich Website Development

www.elk-hunting-tips.net<http://www.elk-hunting-tips.net>

www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com<http://www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com>

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

utnutritionprof

Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 4:33 PM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Re: Government recommends lying to children/value of honesty

What really bothers me about this entire thread is that I am very sure that some

of the folks that are commenting have not taken the time to watch the campaign

advertisements. It amazes me that a professional can make post after post about

something that they have not seen. This is prejudice.

I do not confuse pretending with lying and agree they are very different.

I was and never will castigate anyone for valuing honesty. Please reread my

comments. I clearly stated that when I watched the ad, I interpreted the scene

as the mom pretending she did not know where her purse was and her daughter was

running around. I interpreted it as hide and seek rather than the mom lying.

How that got to your diatribe is very unclear to me.

And I asked - if we, on this list, do have American values - can't we have the

right to have different interpretations? Just because one person says LYING and

WRONG does that mean everyone has to see it this way?

In my research - I have followed a number of ad campaigns aimed to get kids

active. Have you seen the ones from Australia?

Lets face it. If anyone really had the answer of how to get kids (and adults) to

eat healthy and exercise - we would probably have a house right next to Bill

Gates and would certainly not be on this list serve

So there are different tries and different approaches. None will work for

everyone. We don't have to like all of the approaches

If I still believed in Santa - I would just ask

1. Please watch the video yourself and draw your own conclusions

2. Realize that not everyone will see this as the government recommending lying

to children.

3. Even if you do not like the approach of the video - it is not making a

widespread recommendation to for lying to children

4. Respect the views of others. Civilized people can agree to disagree

5. Reread my posts - again - I started this by saying I interpreted the ad as

pretending not lying - I never said that lying was good or that we should use it

as a technique with children.

Debra

>

> I'm not sure why you want to confuse pretending with lying. Two completely

different things. If you want to hide a purse and tell someone to go find it for

exercise, then no need to lie about it. Everyone knows there is pretense going

on. That's fun. If someone doesn't want to see the difference in lying and

pretending, well maybe there are some real values missing there. To answer your

question: Honesty is the value lost in lying. Seems so simple. The difference in

lying and pretending seems so clear. I can't believe we're being castigated for

valuing honesty. Truthfulness and avoiding lying is POSITIVE, not negative.

>

>

> W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT

>

> Long Term Care Consulting

>

> Montana State Hospital

>

>

[Guest guest]

Every year my 17 year old son and I watch The Polar Express. He and I saw that

movie in the theater together when it first came out. Together we go back to

that evening and enjoy the " pretense " all over again. When my wife and older son

make fun of us for watching it every year, I just tell them they probably " can't

hear the bells! " We enjoy the pretense, but the kids always knew Santa Claus was

not " true " . They do know the truth about Christmas and Easter. We, too, have

always focused heavily on that. It makes those holidays a rich tradition to be

enjoyed and passed on.

W. Rowell, RD, LN

Montana State Hospital, Warm Spring, MT

Consultant Dietitian, Long Term Care

Certified LEAP Therapist

Owner, InfoSites: Content-rich Website Development

www.elk-hunting-tips.net<http://www.elk-hunting-tips.net>

www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com<http://www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com>

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of Diane

Preves M.S., R.D.

Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 4:43 PM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Re: Re: Government recommends lying to children/value of

honesty

My kids knew the truth and pretend parts of Christmas and Easter right from

the start, and to this day love the whole Christmas and Easter celebration

to the max. Besides, parents who choose to go for the " make believe " of

Santa Claus and Easter Bunny used to keep it in the very young " imaginary "

stage of very young children. How old is the child in the ad? I am

assuming old enough to need prompting to exercise, and old enough to LEARN

the difference between pretend, trick and lie? I see a lot of 40-year-old

children who seem to have not learned the difference, causing a lot of

problems for other people.

Diane

Re: Government recommends lying to children

>>

>> I guess the difference between pretending and lying is your political

>> point

>> of view.

>>

>> What American values are in jeopardy because a game of pretend gets kids

>> active? what is the difference between " hiding a purse " and throwing a

>> " hot

>> potato " ?

>>

>> I guess people who see negative just see negative.

>> Debra

>>

>>

>> > >

>> > > Jan, I do agree with you and feel that trickery is not a positive way

>> to get a person moving. So are you supposed to do this several times a

>> day,

>> and keep thinking of new tricks?

>> > > How does that teach the value of exercise? The commercial was just a

>> one time thing, but this has to go on daily in order for it to be

>> effective.

>> Just take the kid on a nature walk

>> > > for heavens sake, and have it be a learning experience rather than

>> running around the house looking for a purse that's semi-hidden on

>> purpose.

>> Why didn't they do a commercial on

>> > > a family hiking, playing in the park together, walking to the store,

>> washing the car, etc? Teach the children the values of staying busy!

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > Everyone else seems to think this is cute, and I'm not sure why.

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > Jacquelyn A. Pressly, RD, CLT

>> > > The NATURAL dietitian

>> > > Specializing in Wellness and Prevention, Personal Nutrition Coaching

>> > > and Designer Lifestyle Plans to help you get on the health track

>> > > Northeast Ohio & Western Pennsylvania

>> > > Internet and telecounseling available for distance clients

>> > >

>> > > jpress50@

>> > >

>> > >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

Naaah! I like debate. Some of us find it invigorating, not exhausting. Use the

delete button.

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of Ann

Maher

Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 4:55 PM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Re: Re: Government recommends lying to children/value of

honesty

Hey how about everyone just agree to disagree, this is getting exhausting! My

goodness!

>

> SO I guess you would say Anthoney Weiner PRETENDED it wasn't his pics on

> Twitter, but he DIDN'T LIE about it????????

> Why couldn't the mother just play " hide-n'seek " and gets them moving? Was

> the mother " faking " her own run for the purse?

>

> Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDN

> A dietitian, not the food police.

>

> http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

>

>

>

>

>

>

> " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments

> that take your breath away. " - Carlin

> " People don't forget the truth, they just become better in lying "

> (Revolutionary Road)

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> To: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> From: drowell@...<mailto:drowell%40mt.gov>

> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:09:37 +0000

> Subject: RE: Re: Government recommends lying to children/value of

> honesty

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I'm not sure why you want to confuse pretending with lying. Two completely

> different things. If you want to hide a purse and tell someone to go find it

> for exercise, then no need to lie about it. Everyone knows there is pretense

> going on. That's fun. If someone doesn't want to see the difference in lying

> and pretending, well maybe there are some real values missing there. To

> answer your question: Honesty is the value lost in lying. Seems so simple.

> The difference in lying and pretending seems so clear. I can't believe we're

> being castigated for valuing honesty. Truthfulness and avoiding lying is

> POSITIVE, not negative.

>

> W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT

>

> Long Term Care Consulting

>

> Montana State Hospital

>

> Montana Developmental Center

>

> Certified LEAP Therapist

>

> Owner, InfoSites

>

> www.elk-hunting-tips.net<http://www.elk-hunting-tips.net/>

>

> www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com<

> http://www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com/>

>

> From: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

[mailto:rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of

> utnutritionprof

> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:57 AM

> To: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> Subject: Re: Government recommends lying to children

>

> I guess the difference between pretending and lying is your political point

> of view.

>

> What American values are in jeopardy because a game of pretend gets kids

> active? what is the difference between " hiding a purse " and throwing a " hot

> potato " ?

>

> I guess people who see negative just see negative.

> Debra

>

>

> > >

> > > Jan, I do agree with you and feel that trickery is not a positive way

> to get a person moving. So are you supposed to do this several times a day,

> and keep thinking of new tricks?

> > > How does that teach the value of exercise? The commercial was just a

> one time thing, but this has to go on daily in order for it to be effective.

> Just take the kid on a nature walk

> > > for heavens sake, and have it be a learning experience rather than

> running around the house looking for a purse that's semi-hidden on purpose.

> Why didn't they do a commercial on

> > > a family hiking, playing in the park together, walking to the store,

> washing the car, etc? Teach the children the values of staying busy!

> > >

> > >

> > > Everyone else seems to think this is cute, and I'm not sure why.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Jacquelyn A. Pressly, RD, CLT

> > > The NATURAL dietitian

> > > Specializing in Wellness and Prevention, Personal Nutrition Coaching

> > > and Designer Lifestyle Plans to help you get on the health track

> > > Northeast Ohio & Western Pennsylvania

> > > Internet and telecounseling available for distance clients

> > >

> > > jpress50@

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Some politics are nonsense, some aren't. Why would we think we should not talk

politics? Is that a bad word, or something? Is politics taboo among health

professionals? I think not!

Re: Re: Government recommends lying to children/value of

honesty

Perhaps, but her comments did nothing to further the conversation. I

honestly don't even know why I am a part of this list serve anymore.

It always ends up bringing in some kind of political nonsense.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Diane Preves M.S., R.D. <

newlife4health@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> I do believe somebody above said it was a " political " perspective whether

> we think it is pretending or lying . . .

>

>

> Re: Government recommends lying to children

> >

> > I guess the difference between pretending and lying is your political

> point

> > of view.

> >

> > What American values are in jeopardy because a game of pretend gets kids

> > active? what is the difference between " hiding a purse " and throwing a

> " hot

> > potato " ?

> >

> > I guess people who see negative just see negative.

> > Debra

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > > Jan, I do agree with you and feel that trickery is not a positive way

> > to get a person moving. So are you supposed to do this several times a

> day,

> > and keep thinking of new tricks?

> > > > How does that teach the value of exercise? The commercial was just a

> > one time thing, but this has to go on daily in order for it to be

> effective.

> > Just take the kid on a nature walk

> > > > for heavens sake, and have it be a learning experience rather than

> > running around the house looking for a purse that's semi-hidden on

> purpose.

> > Why didn't they do a commercial on

> > > > a family hiking, playing in the park together, walking to the store,

> > washing the car, etc? Teach the children the values of staying busy!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Everyone else seems to think this is cute, and I'm not sure why.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Jacquelyn A. Pressly, RD, CLT

> > > > The NATURAL dietitian

> > > > Specializing in Wellness and Prevention, Personal Nutrition Coaching

> > > > and Designer Lifestyle Plans to help you get on the health track

> > > > Northeast Ohio & Western Pennsylvania

> > > > Internet and telecounseling available for distance clients

> > > >

> > > > jpress50@

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Mental typo apology: " I disagreed because I see truthfulness (not all truth in a

situation should be verbalized; as in " that dress is ugly! " )... as a virtue to

be defended and protected....

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

Rowell,

Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 8:52 AM

To: 'rd-usa '

Subject: RE: Re: Government recommends lying to children/value of

honesty

No, we were talking about whether or not it is OK to lie to your kids. Reread

the posts. I stated several times I hadn't seen the commercial. My comments were

not about the commercial Jan mentioned, but in response to posts saying it was

OK to lie to your children to get results. I disagreed because I see

truthfulness (not all truth in a situation should be verbalized; as in " that

dress is ugly! " ). I was responding to those posts that seemed to indicate the

submitter saw pretending games in the same light as outright lying, otherwise we

would never have discussed Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny. If it wasn't you

that was confusing the two, good for you.

W. Rowell, RD, LN

Montana State Hospital, Warm Spring, MT

Consultant Dietitian, Long Term Care

Certified LEAP Therapist

Owner, InfoSites: Content-rich Website Development

www.elk-hunting-tips.net<http://www.elk-hunting-tips.net>

www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com<http://www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com>

From: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

[mailto:rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of

utnutritionprof

Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 4:33 PM

To: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

Subject: Re: Government recommends lying to children/value of honesty

What really bothers me about this entire thread is that I am very sure that some

of the folks that are commenting have not taken the time to watch the campaign

advertisements. It amazes me that a professional can make post after post about

something that they have not seen. This is prejudice.

I do not confuse pretending with lying and agree they are very different.

I was and never will castigate anyone for valuing honesty. Please reread my

comments. I clearly stated that when I watched the ad, I interpreted the scene

as the mom pretending she did not know where her purse was and her daughter was

running around. I interpreted it as hide and seek rather than the mom lying.

How that got to your diatribe is very unclear to me.

And I asked - if we, on this list, do have American values - can't we have the

right to have different interpretations? Just because one person says LYING and

WRONG does that mean everyone has to see it this way?

In my research - I have followed a number of ad campaigns aimed to get kids

active. Have you seen the ones from Australia?

Lets face it. If anyone really had the answer of how to get kids (and adults) to

eat healthy and exercise - we would probably have a house right next to Bill

Gates and would certainly not be on this list serve

So there are different tries and different approaches. None will work for

everyone. We don't have to like all of the approaches

If I still believed in Santa - I would just ask

1. Please watch the video yourself and draw your own conclusions

2. Realize that not everyone will see this as the government recommending lying

to children.

3. Even if you do not like the approach of the video - it is not making a

widespread recommendation to for lying to children

4. Respect the views of others. Civilized people can agree to disagree

5. Reread my posts - again - I started this by saying I interpreted the ad as

pretending not lying - I never said that lying was good or that we should use it

as a technique with children.

Debra

>

> I'm not sure why you want to confuse pretending with lying. Two completely

different things. If you want to hide a purse and tell someone to go find it for

exercise, then no need to lie about it. Everyone knows there is pretense going

on. That's fun. If someone doesn't want to see the difference in lying and

pretending, well maybe there are some real values missing there. To answer your

question: Honesty is the value lost in lying. Seems so simple. The difference in

lying and pretending seems so clear. I can't believe we're being castigated for

valuing honesty. Truthfulness and avoiding lying is POSITIVE, not negative.

>

>

> W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT

>

> Long Term Care Consulting

>

> Montana State Hospital

>

>