RE: Re: Government recommends lying to children/value of honesty

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Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDN

A dietitian, not the food police.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

" Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments that

take your breath away. " - Carlin

" People don't forget the truth, they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary

Road)

To: rd-usa

From: drowell@...

Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:02:07 +0000

Subject: RE: Re: Government recommends lying to children/value of

honesty

Naaah! I like debate. Some of us find it invigorating, not exhausting. Use the

delete button.

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of Ann

Maher

Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 4:55 PM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Re: Re: Government recommends lying to children/value of

honesty

Hey how about everyone just agree to disagree, this is getting exhausting! My

goodness!

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> SO I guess you would say Anthoney Weiner PRETENDED it wasn't his pics on

> Twitter, but he DIDN'T LIE about it????????

> Why couldn't the mother just play " hide-n'seek " and gets them moving? Was

> the mother " faking " her own run for the purse?

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> Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDN

> A dietitian, not the food police.

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> http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

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> " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments

> that take your breath away. " - Carlin

> " People don't forget the truth, they just become better in lying "

> (Revolutionary Road)

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> To: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> From: drowell@...<mailto:drowell%40mt.gov>

> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:09:37 +0000

> Subject: RE: Re: Government recommends lying to children/value of

> honesty

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> I'm not sure why you want to confuse pretending with lying. Two completely

> different things. If you want to hide a purse and tell someone to go find it

> for exercise, then no need to lie about it. Everyone knows there is pretense

> going on. That's fun. If someone doesn't want to see the difference in lying

> and pretending, well maybe there are some real values missing there. To

> answer your question: Honesty is the value lost in lying. Seems so simple.

> The difference in lying and pretending seems so clear. I can't believe we're

> being castigated for valuing honesty. Truthfulness and avoiding lying is

> POSITIVE, not negative.

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> W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT

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> From: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

[mailto:rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of

> utnutritionprof

> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:57 AM

> To: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> Subject: Re: Government recommends lying to children

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> I guess the difference between pretending and lying is your political point

> of view.

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> What American values are in jeopardy because a game of pretend gets kids

> active? what is the difference between " hiding a purse " and throwing a " hot

> potato " ?

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> I guess people who see negative just see negative.

> Debra

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> > > Jan, I do agree with you and feel that trickery is not a positive way

> to get a person moving. So are you supposed to do this several times a day,

> and keep thinking of new tricks?

> > > How does that teach the value of exercise? The commercial was just a

> one time thing, but this has to go on daily in order for it to be effective.

> Just take the kid on a nature walk

> > > for heavens sake, and have it be a learning experience rather than

> running around the house looking for a purse that's semi-hidden on purpose.

> Why didn't they do a commercial on

> > > a family hiking, playing in the park together, walking to the store,

> washing the car, etc? Teach the children the values of staying busy!

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> > > Everyone else seems to think this is cute, and I'm not sure why.

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> > > Jacquelyn A. Pressly, RD, CLT

> > > The NATURAL dietitian

> > > Specializing in Wellness and Prevention, Personal Nutrition Coaching

> > > and Designer Lifestyle Plans to help you get on the health track

> > > Northeast Ohio & Western Pennsylvania

> > > Internet and telecounseling available for distance clients

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> > > jpress50@

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[Guest guest]

unfortunatly politics is a taboo, in the American culture at large, I find.

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDN

A dietitian, not the food police.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

" Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments that

take your breath away. " - Carlin

" People don't forget the truth, they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary

Road)

To: rd-usa

From: drowell@...

Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:03:52 +0000

Subject: RE: Re: Government recommends lying to children/value of

honesty

Some politics are nonsense, some aren't. Why would we think we should not talk

politics? Is that a bad word, or something? Is politics taboo among health

professionals? I think not!

Re: Re: Government recommends lying to children/value of

honesty

Perhaps, but her comments did nothing to further the conversation. I

honestly don't even know why I am a part of this list serve anymore.

It always ends up bringing in some kind of political nonsense.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Diane Preves M.S., R.D. <

newlife4health@...> wrote:

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> I do believe somebody above said it was a " political " perspective whether

> we think it is pretending or lying . . .

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> Re: Government recommends lying to children

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> > I guess the difference between pretending and lying is your political

> point

> > of view.

> >

> > What American values are in jeopardy because a game of pretend gets kids

> > active? what is the difference between " hiding a purse " and throwing a

> " hot

> > potato " ?

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> > I guess people who see negative just see negative.

> > Debra

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> > > > Jan, I do agree with you and feel that trickery is not a positive way

> > to get a person moving. So are you supposed to do this several times a

> day,

> > and keep thinking of new tricks?

> > > > How does that teach the value of exercise? The commercial was just a

> > one time thing, but this has to go on daily in order for it to be

> effective.

> > Just take the kid on a nature walk

> > > > for heavens sake, and have it be a learning experience rather than

> > running around the house looking for a purse that's semi-hidden on

> purpose.

> > Why didn't they do a commercial on

> > > > a family hiking, playing in the park together, walking to the store,

> > washing the car, etc? Teach the children the values of staying busy!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Everyone else seems to think this is cute, and I'm not sure why.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Jacquelyn A. Pressly, RD, CLT

> > > > The NATURAL dietitian

> > > > Specializing in Wellness and Prevention, Personal Nutrition Coaching

> > > > and Designer Lifestyle Plans to help you get on the health track

> > > > Northeast Ohio & Western Pennsylvania

> > > > Internet and telecounseling available for distance clients

> > > >

> > > > jpress50@

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the laughs.

I would not get that personal on the list.

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDN

A dietitian, not the food police.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

" Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments that

take your breath away. " - Carlin

" People don't forget the truth, they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary

Road)

> To: rd-usa

> From: jenzingaro@...

> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:24:21 -0400

> Subject: Re: Re: Government recommends lying to children/value of

honesty

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> Wow. How about you provoke people with ideas instead of an idiotic

> statement about an idiot congressman. How bout you start a thread

> about your problem with the let's move initiative and include why you

> believe they are giving out false information. Went to the website

> and saw reasonable recommendations. it sounds like your problem is

> with the messenger rather than the message.

> I don't think we should get pissy about something just b/c it comes

> from the government. Would be nice if we could all use each other as

> partners to achieve goals.

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> > I wanted to provoke, and thank you.... I succeeded ))))

> > But also - in case you didn't know EVERYthing is politics or tide-up to it.

Studies that support EBM are sponsored (or not) according to political interst

and finance and Let's Move initiative is POLITICAL all over it. yes, every first

lady picked a social issue that is close to her heart and important to the

nation but Mrs. Obama chose to do it without including ANY of us (and ADA keeps

quite). So now you please go and expalin to me why shouldn't Chiroprtctors and

physical trainer and HS gradutaes (again, provoking, but let me tell you my 11th

grade daughter will give a better nutrition advice then Mrs. Obama and her team)

could not give nutrition advice? Why we are fighting so hard to be the " Food and

Nutrition Specialist/experts " when you aave the First Lady ignore us all along.

yes, her initiative is important but I object strongly for how it is done.

> > So if you think there is no politics is your professional life....wake us

and smell the roses.

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> > Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDN

> > A dietitian, not the food police.

> >

> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

> >

> > " Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments

that take your breath away. " - Carlin

> > " People don't forget the truth, they just become better in lying "

(Revolutionary Road)

> >

> >> To: rd-usa

> >> From: jenzingaro@...

> >> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:31:45 -0400

> >> Subject: Re: Re: Government recommends lying to children/value of

honesty

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> >> Perhaps, but her comments did nothing to further the conversation. I

> >> honestly don't even know why I am a part of this list serve anymore.

> >> It always ends up bringing in some kind of political nonsense.

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> >> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Diane Preves M.S., R.D. <

> >> newlife4health@...> wrote:

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> >> > I do believe somebody above said it was a " political " perspective whether

> >> > we think it is pretending or lying . . .

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> >> > > I'm not sure why you want to confuse pretending with lying. Two

> >> > completely

> >> > > different things. If you want to hide a purse and tell someone to go

find

> >> > it

> >> > > for exercise, then no need to lie about it. Everyone knows there is

> >> > pretense

> >> > > going on. That's fun. If someone doesn't want to see the difference in

> >> > lying

> >> > > and pretending, well maybe there are some real values missing there. To

> >> > > answer your question: Honesty is the value lost in lying. Seems so

> >> > simple.

> >> > > The difference in lying and pretending seems so clear. I can't believe

> >> > we're

> >> > > being castigated for valuing honesty. Truthfulness and avoiding lying

is

> >> > > POSITIVE, not negative.

> >> > >

> >> > > W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT

> >> > >

> >> > > Long Term Care Consulting

> >> > >

> >> > > Montana State Hospital

> >> > >

> >> > > Montana Developmental Center

> >> > >

> >> > > Certified LEAP Therapist

> >> > >

> >> > > Owner, InfoSites

> >> > >

> >> > > www.elk-hunting-tips.net<http://www.elk-hunting-tips.net/>

> >> > >

> >> > > www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com<

> >> > > http://www <http://www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com/>

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