Guest guest Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 On a personal basis, I have to eat more often than most ppl or lose ability to think and function, to say nothing of losing my temper. I feel hungry suddenly, and must eat that very minute. So I nibble during the day as many times as I can, but certainly more than 6 plus have 2 balanced meals. I'm not overweight, and if I ever feel a little pouchy I just cut out one or two treats and eat more tomatoes or other fruits instead. I taught my daughters the same eating methods, which worked well for 2 that did not have weight gain tendencies or physical makeup, not for one until after 45 who did have those as she takes after her father. To my clients I recommend 3 meals with equal time spread in between, or if they need more than that then to divide their planned daily menu or total foods into the number of meals they need to eat. Eating more often does not mean eating more quantity and that has to be explained and clarified or some ppl will overeat. Regarding your statement about preventing a hunger feeling, I think a little sacrifice is good for the soul as well as the body. We can't expect absolute comfort 100% of the time and we need to also teach that. Digna From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of nacrd@... Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 5:07 PM To: rd-usa Subject: Feeling full longer Does anyone else think that there's too much focus on " feeling full longer " ? That maybe the advice to eat frequently to " prevent getting hungry " could result in over consumption of calories and weight gain? What is wrong with a little bit of hunger between meals? It is definitely easier to tolerate if you have the next meal planned. I'm backing off the rec eat frequently, recommending people eat a minimum of 3 meals per day, focusing on planned, balanced meals and not skipping meals. If snacks are desired then meals have to be smaller. I just read and article in the KidsPost section of Sunday's Washington Post titled: Which would you choose? (picture of 1/2 doughnut and a medium banana) Lots of sound nutrition information re: calories, calorie needs, importance of physical activity, nutrient density, etc. But then " A banana also makes you feel full for a longer time. " Even kids are being delivered the message full good, hunger bad. Looking forward to feedback from the list, Beth Triner, RD, CSR, LDN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 On a personal basis, I have to eat more often than most ppl or lose ability to think and function, to say nothing of losing my temper. I feel hungry suddenly, and must eat that very minute. So I nibble during the day as many times as I can, but certainly more than 6 plus have 2 balanced meals. I'm not overweight, and if I ever feel a little pouchy I just cut out one or two treats and eat more tomatoes or other fruits instead. I taught my daughters the same eating methods, which worked well for 2 that did not have weight gain tendencies or physical makeup, not for one until after 45 who did have those as she takes after her father. To my clients I recommend 3 meals with equal time spread in between, or if they need more than that then to divide their planned daily menu or total foods into the number of meals they need to eat. Eating more often does not mean eating more quantity and that has to be explained and clarified or some ppl will overeat. Regarding your statement about preventing a hunger feeling, I think a little sacrifice is good for the soul as well as the body. We can't expect absolute comfort 100% of the time and we need to also teach that. Digna From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of nacrd@... Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 5:07 PM To: rd-usa Subject: Feeling full longer Does anyone else think that there's too much focus on " feeling full longer " ? That maybe the advice to eat frequently to " prevent getting hungry " could result in over consumption of calories and weight gain? What is wrong with a little bit of hunger between meals? It is definitely easier to tolerate if you have the next meal planned. I'm backing off the rec eat frequently, recommending people eat a minimum of 3 meals per day, focusing on planned, balanced meals and not skipping meals. If snacks are desired then meals have to be smaller. I just read and article in the KidsPost section of Sunday's Washington Post titled: Which would you choose? (picture of 1/2 doughnut and a medium banana) Lots of sound nutrition information re: calories, calorie needs, importance of physical activity, nutrient density, etc. But then " A banana also makes you feel full for a longer time. " Even kids are being delivered the message full good, hunger bad. Looking forward to feedback from the list, Beth Triner, RD, CSR, LDN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 Wrote a response yesterday but decided not to send because I wasn't sure I could make myself clear. Here goes.... The issue is, of course, knowing when you're hungry and then responding appropriately. To eat when hunger first appears or when you're ravenous. How much to eat--to satisfy or to eat until " full " . The real problem, however, is not so much whether people can and do " feel " hunger but it's our schedules! If you're a student, you wake up perhaps not ready to eat but you have to eat before you leave for school because (and I HATE this...) " breakfast is the most important meal of the day " . So you eat even though you're not ready to eat. Then you go off to school where you have a 10 am " lunch " hour because that's the way the days is scheduled. You're still not hungry but it's the only time you have to eat. See where I'm going with this? Same for those of you who work where your eating opportunities are scheduled. Noon lunch hour, for instance. And how many times have I " filled " up on food because I knew that my next meal (whether because I'm traveling or busy working or whatever) wouldn't be for many many hours. So mostly we don't have the luxury of eating when we're hungry but when opportunity allows. Then, yes, we do forget what it feels like to be hungry, whether mildly or ravenously. And we're almost afraid of hunger because we know that we won't be able to satisfy it because of time constraints so we eat in advance of the feeling hoping to stave it off. No one likes feeling hungry for very long. And the idea of feeling full...that bothers me, too. First off, to me, feeling full means opening the top button on my pants. I never feel good when I've eaten that much. We should go to the idea of feeling " satisfied " which means eating way less than full (could be just that I'm playing with words here but I do think that full connotes something that is not a healthy way to eat). Even for the foods that are purported to keep us " full " (or satisfied) longer, we can't expect them to sustain us for five or six hours. That's just too long to go without eating. So I say we throw out that concept all together. As for " eating between meals " , we probably have redefine what a meal is. What if you don't have time for a " meal " (which most of us think of as something to eat sitting down with a plate and a fork and knife) but instead eat on the run. Is that a " snack " or a meal? Hate to be such a stickler for the language thing but words confuse people. Big mistake to tell people to eat 6 small me a day. What's a " small " meal? A regular size McD's burger vs a Big Mac? You try to fit six small meals into one day when you're working. Have you ever worked retail? Can't be chewing food when you're waiting on customers. I'm just saying....we have to rethink a lot of what we recommend. Make it a little more consumer friendly. Cheers to a good week regardless of the fact that my entire retirement is now worth pennies. Sharon Sharon Salomon, M.S., R.D. Freelance Writer Member, Association of Health Care Journalists _http://www.linkedin.com/in/sharonsalomon_ (http://www.linkedin.com/in/sharonsalomon) _http://twitter.com/eatingagain_ (http://twitter.com/sharonmatty) In a message dated 8/8/2011 7:49:33 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, newlife4health@... writes: That's my point. We need to help them get to a point to experience hunger again, and then eat in response to it! Diane ----- Original Message ----- To: <rd-usa > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 10:04 AM Subject: Re: Feeling full longer How many people really know what hunger is?? On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Diane Preves M.S., R.D. < newlife4health@...> wrote: > ** > > > Good question Beth, > > I think it is individual whether it is " better " to eat 3 planned meals or > frequently throughout the day. The overriding goal should be to eat in > response to hunger (not overeat in response to hunger and not overeat in > response to other cues or " just because it is there " constantly) whether > that is better done in small snack-type meals throughout the day or in 3 > planned meals that your body responds to best consistently. > > But I know why you ask the question. I have openly disagreed with popular > diet books whose authors seem intent on " killing hunger " . The goal should > be > to get hungry, and eat appropriately in response to that hunger. Everyone > is > intent on killing our hunger rather than learning how to respond to it for > optimal health. After all, since everyone is so into evolution (which I am > not) and so many recent popular diet books in fact promote the theory as > the > basis for their dietary conclusions and recommendations, then wouldn't it > make sense to conclude that we have evolved with hunger cues being a > strong > part of our nature for some not-too-hard-to-figure-out reason? Personally, > I > believe it is part of our Creator's wisdom. But the reader has often tamed > their appetite, at least for a time, and often finishes these books > feeling > confident in their newfound knowledge. Whether armed with simple new > understandings or a virtual arsenal of heady information, their confidence > is truly astounding, as in the case of a reader quoted in South Beach Diet > (not meaning to single out that diet only): > > > " But I know a lot more about what I eat than I did before. Like, people > don't realize that the MSG in their Chinese food is made from beets, which > contain a lot of sugar. Or that carrots have a high glycemic index, too. I > used to eat a lot of carrots, especially when I was trying to lose weight. > I > even traveled with little bags of them. So I was shocked to learn that > carrots have so much sugar in them. You don't realize that those carrots, > or > those onions, just turn right into sugar that gets stored in your body as > fat. " p. 60 > > The fact that this reader has the fearful idea that healthy foods " just > turn right into sugar that gets stored in your body as fat " is unnerving > to > say the least. There are a lot of other foods we should be worrying about > (not to mention the epidemic lack of activity) that get stored in our body > as fat--carrots, beets, and onions being the least of our concerns. I > would > feel better (slightly) about people following these diets if they were > pre-screened with a 5-7-day food diary to see what their real dietary > problems are and evaluated for activity in the lifestyle. Many of these > diets set people up for losing sight of the forest for the trees--my guess > is carrots are not her problem. > > But to your question--I tend to agree with Digna about smaller, more > frequent " meals " . I think most people can relearn how to get in touch with > their hunger (after years of not being in touch with it) better in little > doses (i.e., more frequent smaller snack-type " meals " ) and have better > blood > sugar control for energy, but 3 meals a day is fine too if the overriding > goal is to eat the correct amount of calories and respond to hunger > appropriately. If the advice is to eat frequently to " prevent getting > hungry " , I think in the long-term it is not helpful. I realize we want to > eat to prevent getting TOO hungry in the middle of a meeting, work, > school, > etc., but not to eat frequently as a lifestyle to prevent getting hungry > as > a consistent goal. I also realize that there are times it is best to eat > when we are not hungry (i.e., the schedule ahead for the day is crazy and > we > need a meal to go on), but in general it's best that people are guided > overall by hunger, and learn to eat (even carbs!) in response to that > hunger > for optimal health. > > I think your question is 2-part, and the advice to eat frequently or eat 3 > meals a day is another question than the hunger question. Again, I believe > hunger, and eating appropriately in response to hunger, is the more > important issue, whether it is best done in 3 meals or smaller feedings > throughout the day. > > I didn't read the article in Washington Post, but if it was in the kids > section it sounds like it was comparing a doughnut and banana for the > purpose of not " crashing " once they get to school on a doughnut? I do > agree > with you that any messages interpreted or intended to communicate " full > good, hunger bad " as an overall health goal are missing the mark. > > Diane Preves, M.S., R.D. > N.E.W. LIFE (Nutrition, Exercise, Wellness for LIFE) > www.newlifeforhealth.com > e-mail: newlife4health@..., newlife@... > (631) 704-6977 > > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/newlifedianepreves > http://www.facebook.com/people/Diane-Preves/1357243185 > http://twitter.com/DianePreves > > > Feeling full longer > > Does anyone else think that there's too much focus on " feeling full > longer " ? That maybe the advice to eat frequently to " prevent getting > hungry " > could result in over consumption of calories and weight gain? > > What is wrong with a little bit of hunger between meals? It is definitely > easier to tolerate if you have the next meal planned. I'm backing off the > rec eat frequently, recommending people eat a minimum of 3 meals per day, > focusing on planned, balanced meals and not skipping meals. If snacks are > desired then meals have to be smaller. > > I just read and article in the KidsPost section of Sunday's Washington > Post > > titled: Which would you choose? (picture of 1/2 doughnut and a medium > banana) Lots of sound nutrition information re: calories, calorie needs, > importance of physical activity, nutrient density, etc. But then " A banana > also makes you feel full for a longer time. " > > Even kids are being delivered the message full good, hunger bad. > > Looking forward to feedback from the list, > > Beth Triner, RD, CSR, LDN > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Ortiz, MS, RD *The FRUGAL Dietitian* <http://www.thefrugaldietitian.com> Check out my blog: mixture of deals and nutrition Join me on Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/TheFrugalDietitian?ref=ts> Downside of " Smoothies " <http://thefrugaldietitian.com/?p=24751>* " If it works and research proven, it wouldn't be called Alternative " * [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 Wrote a response yesterday but decided not to send because I wasn't sure I could make myself clear. Here goes.... The issue is, of course, knowing when you're hungry and then responding appropriately. To eat when hunger first appears or when you're ravenous. How much to eat--to satisfy or to eat until " full " . The real problem, however, is not so much whether people can and do " feel " hunger but it's our schedules! If you're a student, you wake up perhaps not ready to eat but you have to eat before you leave for school because (and I HATE this...) " breakfast is the most important meal of the day " . So you eat even though you're not ready to eat. Then you go off to school where you have a 10 am " lunch " hour because that's the way the days is scheduled. You're still not hungry but it's the only time you have to eat. See where I'm going with this? Same for those of you who work where your eating opportunities are scheduled. Noon lunch hour, for instance. And how many times have I " filled " up on food because I knew that my next meal (whether because I'm traveling or busy working or whatever) wouldn't be for many many hours. So mostly we don't have the luxury of eating when we're hungry but when opportunity allows. Then, yes, we do forget what it feels like to be hungry, whether mildly or ravenously. And we're almost afraid of hunger because we know that we won't be able to satisfy it because of time constraints so we eat in advance of the feeling hoping to stave it off. No one likes feeling hungry for very long. And the idea of feeling full...that bothers me, too. First off, to me, feeling full means opening the top button on my pants. I never feel good when I've eaten that much. We should go to the idea of feeling " satisfied " which means eating way less than full (could be just that I'm playing with words here but I do think that full connotes something that is not a healthy way to eat). Even for the foods that are purported to keep us " full " (or satisfied) longer, we can't expect them to sustain us for five or six hours. That's just too long to go without eating. So I say we throw out that concept all together. As for " eating between meals " , we probably have redefine what a meal is. What if you don't have time for a " meal " (which most of us think of as something to eat sitting down with a plate and a fork and knife) but instead eat on the run. Is that a " snack " or a meal? Hate to be such a stickler for the language thing but words confuse people. Big mistake to tell people to eat 6 small me a day. What's a " small " meal? A regular size McD's burger vs a Big Mac? You try to fit six small meals into one day when you're working. Have you ever worked retail? Can't be chewing food when you're waiting on customers. I'm just saying....we have to rethink a lot of what we recommend. Make it a little more consumer friendly. Cheers to a good week regardless of the fact that my entire retirement is now worth pennies. Sharon Sharon Salomon, M.S., R.D. Freelance Writer Member, Association of Health Care Journalists _http://www.linkedin.com/in/sharonsalomon_ (http://www.linkedin.com/in/sharonsalomon) _http://twitter.com/eatingagain_ (http://twitter.com/sharonmatty) In a message dated 8/8/2011 7:49:33 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, newlife4health@... writes: That's my point. We need to help them get to a point to experience hunger again, and then eat in response to it! Diane ----- Original Message ----- To: <rd-usa > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 10:04 AM Subject: Re: Feeling full longer How many people really know what hunger is?? On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Diane Preves M.S., R.D. < newlife4health@...> wrote: > ** > > > Good question Beth, > > I think it is individual whether it is " better " to eat 3 planned meals or > frequently throughout the day. The overriding goal should be to eat in > response to hunger (not overeat in response to hunger and not overeat in > response to other cues or " just because it is there " constantly) whether > that is better done in small snack-type meals throughout the day or in 3 > planned meals that your body responds to best consistently. > > But I know why you ask the question. I have openly disagreed with popular > diet books whose authors seem intent on " killing hunger " . The goal should > be > to get hungry, and eat appropriately in response to that hunger. Everyone > is > intent on killing our hunger rather than learning how to respond to it for > optimal health. After all, since everyone is so into evolution (which I am > not) and so many recent popular diet books in fact promote the theory as > the > basis for their dietary conclusions and recommendations, then wouldn't it > make sense to conclude that we have evolved with hunger cues being a > strong > part of our nature for some not-too-hard-to-figure-out reason? Personally, > I > believe it is part of our Creator's wisdom. But the reader has often tamed > their appetite, at least for a time, and often finishes these books > feeling > confident in their newfound knowledge. Whether armed with simple new > understandings or a virtual arsenal of heady information, their confidence > is truly astounding, as in the case of a reader quoted in South Beach Diet > (not meaning to single out that diet only): > > > " But I know a lot more about what I eat than I did before. Like, people > don't realize that the MSG in their Chinese food is made from beets, which > contain a lot of sugar. Or that carrots have a high glycemic index, too. I > used to eat a lot of carrots, especially when I was trying to lose weight. > I > even traveled with little bags of them. So I was shocked to learn that > carrots have so much sugar in them. You don't realize that those carrots, > or > those onions, just turn right into sugar that gets stored in your body as > fat. " p. 60 > > The fact that this reader has the fearful idea that healthy foods " just > turn right into sugar that gets stored in your body as fat " is unnerving > to > say the least. There are a lot of other foods we should be worrying about > (not to mention the epidemic lack of activity) that get stored in our body > as fat--carrots, beets, and onions being the least of our concerns. I > would > feel better (slightly) about people following these diets if they were > pre-screened with a 5-7-day food diary to see what their real dietary > problems are and evaluated for activity in the lifestyle. Many of these > diets set people up for losing sight of the forest for the trees--my guess > is carrots are not her problem. > > But to your question--I tend to agree with Digna about smaller, more > frequent " meals " . I think most people can relearn how to get in touch with > their hunger (after years of not being in touch with it) better in little > doses (i.e., more frequent smaller snack-type " meals " ) and have better > blood > sugar control for energy, but 3 meals a day is fine too if the overriding > goal is to eat the correct amount of calories and respond to hunger > appropriately. If the advice is to eat frequently to " prevent getting > hungry " , I think in the long-term it is not helpful. I realize we want to > eat to prevent getting TOO hungry in the middle of a meeting, work, > school, > etc., but not to eat frequently as a lifestyle to prevent getting hungry > as > a consistent goal. I also realize that there are times it is best to eat > when we are not hungry (i.e., the schedule ahead for the day is crazy and > we > need a meal to go on), but in general it's best that people are guided > overall by hunger, and learn to eat (even carbs!) in response to that > hunger > for optimal health. > > I think your question is 2-part, and the advice to eat frequently or eat 3 > meals a day is another question than the hunger question. Again, I believe > hunger, and eating appropriately in response to hunger, is the more > important issue, whether it is best done in 3 meals or smaller feedings > throughout the day. > > I didn't read the article in Washington Post, but if it was in the kids > section it sounds like it was comparing a doughnut and banana for the > purpose of not " crashing " once they get to school on a doughnut? I do > agree > with you that any messages interpreted or intended to communicate " full > good, hunger bad " as an overall health goal are missing the mark. > > Diane Preves, M.S., R.D. > N.E.W. LIFE (Nutrition, Exercise, Wellness for LIFE) > www.newlifeforhealth.com > e-mail: newlife4health@..., newlife@... > (631) 704-6977 > > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/newlifedianepreves > http://www.facebook.com/people/Diane-Preves/1357243185 > http://twitter.com/DianePreves > > > Feeling full longer > > Does anyone else think that there's too much focus on " feeling full > longer " ? That maybe the advice to eat frequently to " prevent getting > hungry " > could result in over consumption of calories and weight gain? > > What is wrong with a little bit of hunger between meals? It is definitely > easier to tolerate if you have the next meal planned. I'm backing off the > rec eat frequently, recommending people eat a minimum of 3 meals per day, > focusing on planned, balanced meals and not skipping meals. If snacks are > desired then meals have to be smaller. > > I just read and article in the KidsPost section of Sunday's Washington > Post > > titled: Which would you choose? (picture of 1/2 doughnut and a medium > banana) Lots of sound nutrition information re: calories, calorie needs, > importance of physical activity, nutrient density, etc. But then " A banana > also makes you feel full for a longer time. " > > Even kids are being delivered the message full good, hunger bad. > > Looking forward to feedback from the list, > > Beth Triner, RD, CSR, LDN > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Ortiz, MS, RD *The FRUGAL Dietitian* <http://www.thefrugaldietitian.com> Check out my blog: mixture of deals and nutrition Join me on Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/TheFrugalDietitian?ref=ts> Downside of " Smoothies " <http://thefrugaldietitian.com/?p=24751>* " If it works and research proven, it wouldn't be called Alternative " * [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 Good question Beth, I think it is individual whether it is " better " to eat 3 planned meals or frequently throughout the day. The overriding goal should be to eat in response to hunger (not overeat in response to hunger and not overeat in response to other cues or " just because it is there " constantly) whether that is better done in small snack-type meals throughout the day or in 3 planned meals that your body responds to best consistently. But I know why you ask the question. I have openly disagreed with popular diet books whose authors seem intent on " killing hunger " . The goal should be to get hungry, and eat appropriately in response to that hunger. Everyone is intent on killing our hunger rather than learning how to respond to it for optimal health. After all, since everyone is so into evolution (which I am not) and so many recent popular diet books in fact promote the theory as the basis for their dietary conclusions and recommendations, then wouldn't it make sense to conclude that we have evolved with hunger cues being a strong part of our nature for some not-too-hard-to-figure-out reason? Personally, I believe it is part of our Creator's wisdom. But the reader has often tamed their appetite, at least for a time, and often finishes these books feeling confident in their newfound knowledge. Whether armed with simple new understandings or a virtual arsenal of heady information, their confidence is truly astounding, as in the case of a reader quoted in South Beach Diet (not meaning to single out that diet only): " But I know a lot more about what I eat than I did before. Like, people don't realize that the MSG in their Chinese food is made from beets, which contain a lot of sugar. Or that carrots have a high glycemic index, too. I used to eat a lot of carrots, especially when I was trying to lose weight. I even traveled with little bags of them. So I was shocked to learn that carrots have so much sugar in them. You don't realize that those carrots, or those onions, just turn right into sugar that gets stored in your body as fat. " p. 60 The fact that this reader has the fearful idea that healthy foods " just turn right into sugar that gets stored in your body as fat " is unnerving to say the least. There are a lot of other foods we should be worrying about (not to mention the epidemic lack of activity) that get stored in our body as fat--carrots, beets, and onions being the least of our concerns. I would feel better (slightly) about people following these diets if they were pre-screened with a 5-7-day food diary to see what their real dietary problems are and evaluated for activity in the lifestyle. Many of these diets set people up for losing sight of the forest for the trees--my guess is carrots are not her problem. But to your question--I tend to agree with Digna about smaller, more frequent " meals " . I think most people can relearn how to get in touch with their hunger (after years of not being in touch with it) better in little doses (i.e., more frequent smaller snack-type " meals " ) and have better blood sugar control for energy, but 3 meals a day is fine too if the overriding goal is to eat the correct amount of calories and respond to hunger appropriately. If the advice is to eat frequently to " prevent getting hungry " , I think in the long-term it is not helpful. I realize we want to eat to prevent getting TOO hungry in the middle of a meeting, work, school, etc., but not to eat frequently as a lifestyle to prevent getting hungry as a consistent goal. I also realize that there are times it is best to eat when we are not hungry (i.e., the schedule ahead for the day is crazy and we need a meal to go on), but in general it's best that people are guided overall by hunger, and learn to eat (even carbs!) in response to that hunger for optimal health. I think your question is 2-part, and the advice to eat frequently or eat 3 meals a day is another question than the hunger question. Again, I believe hunger, and eating appropriately in response to hunger, is the more important issue, whether it is best done in 3 meals or smaller feedings throughout the day. I didn't read the article in Washington Post, but if it was in the kids section it sounds like it was comparing a doughnut and banana for the purpose of not " crashing " once they get to school on a doughnut? I do agree with you that any messages interpreted or intended to communicate " full good, hunger bad " as an overall health goal are missing the mark. Diane Preves, M.S., R.D. N.E.W. LIFE (Nutrition, Exercise, Wellness for LIFE) www.newlifeforhealth.com e-mail: newlife4health@..., newlife@... http://www.linkedin.com/in/newlifedianepreves http://www.facebook.com/people/Diane-Preves/1357243185 http://twitter.com/DianePreves Feeling full longer Does anyone else think that there's too much focus on " feeling full longer " ? That maybe the advice to eat frequently to " prevent getting hungry " could result in over consumption of calories and weight gain? What is wrong with a little bit of hunger between meals? It is definitely easier to tolerate if you have the next meal planned. I'm backing off the rec eat frequently, recommending people eat a minimum of 3 meals per day, focusing on planned, balanced meals and not skipping meals. If snacks are desired then meals have to be smaller. I just read and article in the KidsPost section of Sunday's Washington Post titled: Which would you choose? (picture of 1/2 doughnut and a medium banana) Lots of sound nutrition information re: calories, calorie needs, importance of physical activity, nutrient density, etc. But then " A banana also makes you feel full for a longer time. " Even kids are being delivered the message full good, hunger bad. Looking forward to feedback from the list, Beth Triner, RD, CSR, LDN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 How many people really know what hunger is?? On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Diane Preves M.S., R.D. < newlife4health@...> wrote: > ** > > > Good question Beth, > > I think it is individual whether it is " better " to eat 3 planned meals or > frequently throughout the day. The overriding goal should be to eat in > response to hunger (not overeat in response to hunger and not overeat in > response to other cues or " just because it is there " constantly) whether > that is better done in small snack-type meals throughout the day or in 3 > planned meals that your body responds to best consistently. > > But I know why you ask the question. I have openly disagreed with popular > diet books whose authors seem intent on " killing hunger " . The goal should be > to get hungry, and eat appropriately in response to that hunger. Everyone is > intent on killing our hunger rather than learning how to respond to it for > optimal health. After all, since everyone is so into evolution (which I am > not) and so many recent popular diet books in fact promote the theory as the > basis for their dietary conclusions and recommendations, then wouldn't it > make sense to conclude that we have evolved with hunger cues being a strong > part of our nature for some not-too-hard-to-figure-out reason? Personally, I > believe it is part of our Creator's wisdom. But the reader has often tamed > their appetite, at least for a time, and often finishes these books feeling > confident in their newfound knowledge. Whether armed with simple new > understandings or a virtual arsenal of heady information, their confidence > is truly astounding, as in the case of a reader quoted in South Beach Diet > (not meaning to single out that diet only): > > > " But I know a lot more about what I eat than I did before. Like, people > don't realize that the MSG in their Chinese food is made from beets, which > contain a lot of sugar. Or that carrots have a high glycemic index, too. I > used to eat a lot of carrots, especially when I was trying to lose weight. I > even traveled with little bags of them. So I was shocked to learn that > carrots have so much sugar in them. You don't realize that those carrots, or > those onions, just turn right into sugar that gets stored in your body as > fat. " p. 60 > > The fact that this reader has the fearful idea that healthy foods " just > turn right into sugar that gets stored in your body as fat " is unnerving to > say the least. There are a lot of other foods we should be worrying about > (not to mention the epidemic lack of activity) that get stored in our body > as fat--carrots, beets, and onions being the least of our concerns. I would > feel better (slightly) about people following these diets if they were > pre-screened with a 5-7-day food diary to see what their real dietary > problems are and evaluated for activity in the lifestyle. Many of these > diets set people up for losing sight of the forest for the trees--my guess > is carrots are not her problem. > > But to your question--I tend to agree with Digna about smaller, more > frequent " meals " . I think most people can relearn how to get in touch with > their hunger (after years of not being in touch with it) better in little > doses (i.e., more frequent smaller snack-type " meals " ) and have better blood > sugar control for energy, but 3 meals a day is fine too if the overriding > goal is to eat the correct amount of calories and respond to hunger > appropriately. If the advice is to eat frequently to " prevent getting > hungry " , I think in the long-term it is not helpful. I realize we want to > eat to prevent getting TOO hungry in the middle of a meeting, work, school, > etc., but not to eat frequently as a lifestyle to prevent getting hungry as > a consistent goal. I also realize that there are times it is best to eat > when we are not hungry (i.e., the schedule ahead for the day is crazy and we > need a meal to go on), but in general it's best that people are guided > overall by hunger, and learn to eat (even carbs!) in response to that hunger > for optimal health. > > I think your question is 2-part, and the advice to eat frequently or eat 3 > meals a day is another question than the hunger question. Again, I believe > hunger, and eating appropriately in response to hunger, is the more > important issue, whether it is best done in 3 meals or smaller feedings > throughout the day. > > I didn't read the article in Washington Post, but if it was in the kids > section it sounds like it was comparing a doughnut and banana for the > purpose of not " crashing " once they get to school on a doughnut? I do agree > with you that any messages interpreted or intended to communicate " full > good, hunger bad " as an overall health goal are missing the mark. > > Diane Preves, M.S., R.D. > N.E.W. LIFE (Nutrition, Exercise, Wellness for LIFE) > www.newlifeforhealth.com > e-mail: newlife4health@..., newlife@... > > > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/newlifedianepreves > http://www.facebook.com/people/Diane-Preves/1357243185 > http://twitter.com/DianePreves > > > Feeling full longer > > Does anyone else think that there's too much focus on " feeling full > longer " ? That maybe the advice to eat frequently to " prevent getting > hungry " > could result in over consumption of calories and weight gain? > > What is wrong with a little bit of hunger between meals? It is definitely > easier to tolerate if you have the next meal planned. I'm backing off the > rec eat frequently, recommending people eat a minimum of 3 meals per day, > focusing on planned, balanced meals and not skipping meals. If snacks are > desired then meals have to be smaller. > > I just read and article in the KidsPost section of Sunday's Washington Post > > titled: Which would you choose? (picture of 1/2 doughnut and a medium > banana) Lots of sound nutrition information re: calories, calorie needs, > importance of physical activity, nutrient density, etc. But then " A banana > also makes you feel full for a longer time. " > > Even kids are being delivered the message full good, hunger bad. > > Looking forward to feedback from the list, > > Beth Triner, RD, CSR, LDN > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 How many people really know what hunger is?? On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Diane Preves M.S., R.D. < newlife4health@...> wrote: > ** > > > Good question Beth, > > I think it is individual whether it is " better " to eat 3 planned meals or > frequently throughout the day. The overriding goal should be to eat in > response to hunger (not overeat in response to hunger and not overeat in > response to other cues or " just because it is there " constantly) whether > that is better done in small snack-type meals throughout the day or in 3 > planned meals that your body responds to best consistently. > > But I know why you ask the question. I have openly disagreed with popular > diet books whose authors seem intent on " killing hunger " . The goal should be > to get hungry, and eat appropriately in response to that hunger. Everyone is > intent on killing our hunger rather than learning how to respond to it for > optimal health. After all, since everyone is so into evolution (which I am > not) and so many recent popular diet books in fact promote the theory as the > basis for their dietary conclusions and recommendations, then wouldn't it > make sense to conclude that we have evolved with hunger cues being a strong > part of our nature for some not-too-hard-to-figure-out reason? Personally, I > believe it is part of our Creator's wisdom. But the reader has often tamed > their appetite, at least for a time, and often finishes these books feeling > confident in their newfound knowledge. Whether armed with simple new > understandings or a virtual arsenal of heady information, their confidence > is truly astounding, as in the case of a reader quoted in South Beach Diet > (not meaning to single out that diet only): > > > " But I know a lot more about what I eat than I did before. Like, people > don't realize that the MSG in their Chinese food is made from beets, which > contain a lot of sugar. Or that carrots have a high glycemic index, too. I > used to eat a lot of carrots, especially when I was trying to lose weight. I > even traveled with little bags of them. So I was shocked to learn that > carrots have so much sugar in them. You don't realize that those carrots, or > those onions, just turn right into sugar that gets stored in your body as > fat. " p. 60 > > The fact that this reader has the fearful idea that healthy foods " just > turn right into sugar that gets stored in your body as fat " is unnerving to > say the least. There are a lot of other foods we should be worrying about > (not to mention the epidemic lack of activity) that get stored in our body > as fat--carrots, beets, and onions being the least of our concerns. I would > feel better (slightly) about people following these diets if they were > pre-screened with a 5-7-day food diary to see what their real dietary > problems are and evaluated for activity in the lifestyle. Many of these > diets set people up for losing sight of the forest for the trees--my guess > is carrots are not her problem. > > But to your question--I tend to agree with Digna about smaller, more > frequent " meals " . I think most people can relearn how to get in touch with > their hunger (after years of not being in touch with it) better in little > doses (i.e., more frequent smaller snack-type " meals " ) and have better blood > sugar control for energy, but 3 meals a day is fine too if the overriding > goal is to eat the correct amount of calories and respond to hunger > appropriately. If the advice is to eat frequently to " prevent getting > hungry " , I think in the long-term it is not helpful. I realize we want to > eat to prevent getting TOO hungry in the middle of a meeting, work, school, > etc., but not to eat frequently as a lifestyle to prevent getting hungry as > a consistent goal. I also realize that there are times it is best to eat > when we are not hungry (i.e., the schedule ahead for the day is crazy and we > need a meal to go on), but in general it's best that people are guided > overall by hunger, and learn to eat (even carbs!) in response to that hunger > for optimal health. > > I think your question is 2-part, and the advice to eat frequently or eat 3 > meals a day is another question than the hunger question. Again, I believe > hunger, and eating appropriately in response to hunger, is the more > important issue, whether it is best done in 3 meals or smaller feedings > throughout the day. > > I didn't read the article in Washington Post, but if it was in the kids > section it sounds like it was comparing a doughnut and banana for the > purpose of not " crashing " once they get to school on a doughnut? I do agree > with you that any messages interpreted or intended to communicate " full > good, hunger bad " as an overall health goal are missing the mark. > > Diane Preves, M.S., R.D. > N.E.W. LIFE (Nutrition, Exercise, Wellness for LIFE) > www.newlifeforhealth.com > e-mail: newlife4health@..., newlife@... > > > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/newlifedianepreves > http://www.facebook.com/people/Diane-Preves/1357243185 > http://twitter.com/DianePreves > > > Feeling full longer > > Does anyone else think that there's too much focus on " feeling full > longer " ? That maybe the advice to eat frequently to " prevent getting > hungry " > could result in over consumption of calories and weight gain? > > What is wrong with a little bit of hunger between meals? It is definitely > easier to tolerate if you have the next meal planned. I'm backing off the > rec eat frequently, recommending people eat a minimum of 3 meals per day, > focusing on planned, balanced meals and not skipping meals. If snacks are > desired then meals have to be smaller. > > I just read and article in the KidsPost section of Sunday's Washington Post > > titled: Which would you choose? (picture of 1/2 doughnut and a medium > banana) Lots of sound nutrition information re: calories, calorie needs, > importance of physical activity, nutrient density, etc. But then " A banana > also makes you feel full for a longer time. " > > Even kids are being delivered the message full good, hunger bad. > > Looking forward to feedback from the list, > > Beth Triner, RD, CSR, LDN > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 That's my point. We need to help them get to a point to experience hunger again, and then eat in response to it! Diane Feeling full longer > > Does anyone else think that there's too much focus on " feeling full > longer " ? That maybe the advice to eat frequently to " prevent getting > hungry " > could result in over consumption of calories and weight gain? > > What is wrong with a little bit of hunger between meals? It is definitely > easier to tolerate if you have the next meal planned. I'm backing off the > rec eat frequently, recommending people eat a minimum of 3 meals per day, > focusing on planned, balanced meals and not skipping meals. If snacks are > desired then meals have to be smaller. > > I just read and article in the KidsPost section of Sunday's Washington > Post > > titled: Which would you choose? (picture of 1/2 doughnut and a medium > banana) Lots of sound nutrition information re: calories, calorie needs, > importance of physical activity, nutrient density, etc. But then " A banana > also makes you feel full for a longer time. " > > Even kids are being delivered the message full good, hunger bad. > > Looking forward to feedback from the list, > > Beth Triner, RD, CSR, LDN > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 That's my point. We need to help them get to a point to experience hunger again, and then eat in response to it! Diane Feeling full longer > > Does anyone else think that there's too much focus on " feeling full > longer " ? That maybe the advice to eat frequently to " prevent getting > hungry " > could result in over consumption of calories and weight gain? > > What is wrong with a little bit of hunger between meals? It is definitely > easier to tolerate if you have the next meal planned. I'm backing off the > rec eat frequently, recommending people eat a minimum of 3 meals per day, > focusing on planned, balanced meals and not skipping meals. If snacks are > desired then meals have to be smaller. > > I just read and article in the KidsPost section of Sunday's Washington > Post > > titled: Which would you choose? (picture of 1/2 doughnut and a medium > banana) Lots of sound nutrition information re: calories, calorie needs, > importance of physical activity, nutrient density, etc. But then " A banana > also makes you feel full for a longer time. " > > Even kids are being delivered the message full good, hunger bad. > > Looking forward to feedback from the list, > > Beth Triner, RD, CSR, LDN > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 I remember an " old " study (ok back when I was in college in the 70's) - where they took a clock and told the people in a work place to eat when they were actually hungry. These workers always went to lunch at noon. They had one clock move " quicker " and one at the right time. When the clock turned noon almost everyone went to lunch regardless of the " actual time " . On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Diane Preves M.S., R.D. < newlife4health@...> wrote: > ** > > > That's my point. We need to help them get to a point to experience hunger > again, and then eat in response to it! > Diane > > > Feeling full longer > > > > Does anyone else think that there's too much focus on " feeling full > > longer " ? That maybe the advice to eat frequently to " prevent getting > > hungry " > > could result in over consumption of calories and weight gain? > > > > What is wrong with a little bit of hunger between meals? It is definitely > > easier to tolerate if you have the next meal planned. I'm backing off the > > rec eat frequently, recommending people eat a minimum of 3 meals per day, > > focusing on planned, balanced meals and not skipping meals. If snacks are > > desired then meals have to be smaller. > > > > I just read and article in the KidsPost section of Sunday's Washington > > Post > > > > titled: Which would you choose? (picture of 1/2 doughnut and a medium > > banana) Lots of sound nutrition information re: calories, calorie needs, > > importance of physical activity, nutrient density, etc. But then " A > banana > > also makes you feel full for a longer time. " > > > > Even kids are being delivered the message full good, hunger bad. > > > > Looking forward to feedback from the list, > > > > Beth Triner, RD, CSR, LDN > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 I remember an " old " study (ok back when I was in college in the 70's) - where they took a clock and told the people in a work place to eat when they were actually hungry. These workers always went to lunch at noon. They had one clock move " quicker " and one at the right time. When the clock turned noon almost everyone went to lunch regardless of the " actual time " . On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Diane Preves M.S., R.D. < newlife4health@...> wrote: > ** > > > That's my point. We need to help them get to a point to experience hunger > again, and then eat in response to it! > Diane > > > Feeling full longer > > > > Does anyone else think that there's too much focus on " feeling full > > longer " ? That maybe the advice to eat frequently to " prevent getting > > hungry " > > could result in over consumption of calories and weight gain? > > > > What is wrong with a little bit of hunger between meals? It is definitely > > easier to tolerate if you have the next meal planned. I'm backing off the > > rec eat frequently, recommending people eat a minimum of 3 meals per day, > > focusing on planned, balanced meals and not skipping meals. If snacks are > > desired then meals have to be smaller. > > > > I just read and article in the KidsPost section of Sunday's Washington > > Post > > > > titled: Which would you choose? (picture of 1/2 doughnut and a medium > > banana) Lots of sound nutrition information re: calories, calorie needs, > > importance of physical activity, nutrient density, etc. But then " A > banana > > also makes you feel full for a longer time. " > > > > Even kids are being delivered the message full good, hunger bad. > > > > Looking forward to feedback from the list, > > > > Beth Triner, RD, CSR, LDN > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 My point again--we need to help them in touch with real physiological hunger. Feeling full longer >> > >> > Does anyone else think that there's too much focus on " feeling full >> > longer " ? That maybe the advice to eat frequently to " prevent getting >> > hungry " >> > could result in over consumption of calories and weight gain? >> > >> > What is wrong with a little bit of hunger between meals? It is >> > definitely >> > easier to tolerate if you have the next meal planned. I'm backing off >> > the >> > rec eat frequently, recommending people eat a minimum of 3 meals per >> > day, >> > focusing on planned, balanced meals and not skipping meals. If snacks >> > are >> > desired then meals have to be smaller. >> > >> > I just read and article in the KidsPost section of Sunday's Washington >> > Post >> > >> > titled: Which would you choose? (picture of 1/2 doughnut and a medium >> > banana) Lots of sound nutrition information re: calories, calorie >> > needs, >> > importance of physical activity, nutrient density, etc. But then " A >> banana >> > also makes you feel full for a longer time. " >> > >> > Even kids are being delivered the message full good, hunger bad. >> > >> > Looking forward to feedback from the list, >> > >> > Beth Triner, RD, CSR, LDN >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 My point again--we need to help them in touch with real physiological hunger. Feeling full longer >> > >> > Does anyone else think that there's too much focus on " feeling full >> > longer " ? That maybe the advice to eat frequently to " prevent getting >> > hungry " >> > could result in over consumption of calories and weight gain? >> > >> > What is wrong with a little bit of hunger between meals? It is >> > definitely >> > easier to tolerate if you have the next meal planned. I'm backing off >> > the >> > rec eat frequently, recommending people eat a minimum of 3 meals per >> > day, >> > focusing on planned, balanced meals and not skipping meals. If snacks >> > are >> > desired then meals have to be smaller. >> > >> > I just read and article in the KidsPost section of Sunday's Washington >> > Post >> > >> > titled: Which would you choose? (picture of 1/2 doughnut and a medium >> > banana) Lots of sound nutrition information re: calories, calorie >> > needs, >> > importance of physical activity, nutrient density, etc. But then " A >> banana >> > also makes you feel full for a longer time. " >> > >> > Even kids are being delivered the message full good, hunger bad. >> > >> > Looking forward to feedback from the list, >> > >> > Beth Triner, RD, CSR, LDN >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 I couldn't agree with you more. My motto when educating is " eat when you're hungry, stop when you're satisfied. " I also couldn't agree more on the barriers of this statement... schedule doesn't work for that, what is hunger, what is satisfaction, etc. But what I think is... THAT is where we come into play. Yes, we are there to say, eat blah blah calories by following this blah blah meal plan - giving facts. But I think if we tried to play more of a role of a " nutrition counselor " and worked individually with clients/patients to help them with these barriers then we would see much more success. At least that is what I have seen great success with. Teaching lifestyle (pertaining to the individual person's lifestyle) - not diet. From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of Diane Preves M.S., R.D. Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 11:45 AM To: rd-usa Subject: Re: Feeling full longer My point again--we need to help them in touch with real physiological hunger. Feeling full longer >> > >> > Does anyone else think that there's too much focus on " feeling full >> > longer " ? That maybe the advice to eat frequently to " prevent getting >> > hungry " >> > could result in over consumption of calories and weight gain? >> > >> > What is wrong with a little bit of hunger between meals? It is >> > definitely >> > easier to tolerate if you have the next meal planned. I'm backing off >> > the >> > rec eat frequently, recommending people eat a minimum of 3 meals per >> > day, >> > focusing on planned, balanced meals and not skipping meals. If snacks >> > are >> > desired then meals have to be smaller. >> > >> > I just read and article in the KidsPost section of Sunday's Washington >> > Post >> > >> > titled: Which would you choose? (picture of 1/2 doughnut and a medium >> > banana) Lots of sound nutrition information re: calories, calorie >> > needs, >> > importance of physical activity, nutrient density, etc. But then " A >> banana >> > also makes you feel full for a longer time. " >> > >> > Even kids are being delivered the message full good, hunger bad. >> > >> > Looking forward to feedback from the list, >> > >> > Beth Triner, RD, CSR, LDN >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 I couldn't agree with you more. My motto when educating is " eat when you're hungry, stop when you're satisfied. " I also couldn't agree more on the barriers of this statement... schedule doesn't work for that, what is hunger, what is satisfaction, etc. But what I think is... THAT is where we come into play. Yes, we are there to say, eat blah blah calories by following this blah blah meal plan - giving facts. But I think if we tried to play more of a role of a " nutrition counselor " and worked individually with clients/patients to help them with these barriers then we would see much more success. At least that is what I have seen great success with. Teaching lifestyle (pertaining to the individual person's lifestyle) - not diet. From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of Diane Preves M.S., R.D. Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 11:45 AM To: rd-usa Subject: Re: Feeling full longer My point again--we need to help them in touch with real physiological hunger. Feeling full longer >> > >> > Does anyone else think that there's too much focus on " feeling full >> > longer " ? That maybe the advice to eat frequently to " prevent getting >> > hungry " >> > could result in over consumption of calories and weight gain? >> > >> > What is wrong with a little bit of hunger between meals? It is >> > definitely >> > easier to tolerate if you have the next meal planned. I'm backing off >> > the >> > rec eat frequently, recommending people eat a minimum of 3 meals per >> > day, >> > focusing on planned, balanced meals and not skipping meals. If snacks >> > are >> > desired then meals have to be smaller. >> > >> > I just read and article in the KidsPost section of Sunday's Washington >> > Post >> > >> > titled: Which would you choose? (picture of 1/2 doughnut and a medium >> > banana) Lots of sound nutrition information re: calories, calorie >> > needs, >> > importance of physical activity, nutrient density, etc. But then " A >> banana >> > also makes you feel full for a longer time. " >> > >> > Even kids are being delivered the message full good, hunger bad. >> > >> > Looking forward to feedback from the list, >> > >> > Beth Triner, RD, CSR, LDN >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 I agree. My schedule and lifestyle changes on my days off. If I'm going to be very active, say fishing all day, I will " overeat " a meal of whole wheat pancakes, elk sausage and fruit for breakfast. I will throw some packaged (so I don't have to touch it) rice krispy treats, deer jerky, etc. in my fanny pack and fill my Camelbak with Tang, lemonade, or something else with calories. I'm just not into handling and eating a normal lunch when my fingers smell like fish (or after I've field dressed a big game animal)! If I'm planning to splurge for dinner, I will eat half the usual size of lunch and go away " unsatisfied " . Like when I ate only one leftover enchilada for lunch yesterday before leaving for a movie with my family. Then after the movie we each had a 16oz carton of Ben and Jerry's (YoFro Half-Baked for me). Too bad I didn't tell my wife what I had planned, or she wouldn't have eaten two enchiladas before we left! She only finished half her ice cream (but wouldn't let me have it). At work, my meals are scheduled. I LIKE getting hungry. I enjoy my meals, whatever they are, much more when I'm a little hungry. W. Rowell, RD, LN Montana State Hospital, Warm Spring, MT Consultant Dietitian, Long Term Care Certified LEAP Therapist Owner, InfoSites: Content-rich Website Development www.elk-hunting-tips.net www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of Lawson Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 10:18 AM To: rd-usa Subject: RE: Feeling full longer I couldn't agree with you more. My motto when educating is " eat when you're hungry, stop when you're satisfied. " I also couldn't agree more on the barriers of this statement... schedule doesn't work for that, what is hunger, what is satisfaction, etc. But what I think is... THAT is where we come into play. Yes, we are there to say, eat blah blah calories by following this blah blah meal plan - giving facts. But I think if we tried to play more of a role of a " nutrition counselor " and worked individually with clients/patients to help them with these barriers then we would see much more success. At least that is what I have seen great success with. Teaching lifestyle (pertaining to the individual person's lifestyle) - not diet. From: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Diane Preves M.S., R.D. Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 11:45 AM To: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: Feeling full longer My point again--we need to help them in touch with real physiological hunger. Feeling full longer >> > >> > Does anyone else think that there's too much focus on " feeling full >> > longer " ? That maybe the advice to eat frequently to " prevent getting >> > hungry " >> > could result in over consumption of calories and weight gain? >> > >> > What is wrong with a little bit of hunger between meals? It is >> > definitely >> > easier to tolerate if you have the next meal planned. I'm backing off >> > the >> > rec eat frequently, recommending people eat a minimum of 3 meals per >> > day, >> > focusing on planned, balanced meals and not skipping meals. If snacks >> > are >> > desired then meals have to be smaller. >> > >> > I just read and article in the KidsPost section of Sunday's Washington >> > Post >> > >> > titled: Which would you choose? (picture of 1/2 doughnut and a medium >> > banana) Lots of sound nutrition information re: calories, calorie >> > needs, >> > importance of physical activity, nutrient density, etc. But then " A >> banana >> > also makes you feel full for a longer time. " >> > >> > Even kids are being delivered the message full good, hunger bad. >> > >> > Looking forward to feedback from the list, >> > >> > Beth Triner, RD, CSR, LDN >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 Thanks for all the great feedback. I loved reading the respnses It emphasizes the importance of planned eating -- compensating for weekends, social events, altered work schedules, life in general, etc. Not rocket science . . . . . But, definitely, not always " the path of least resistance. " How can we, as the nutrition experts, change inertia? All ideas welcome, Beth In a message dated 8/8/2011 12:18:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, nataliel@... writes: I couldn't agree with you more. My motto when educating is " eat when you're hungry, stop when you're satisfied. " I also couldn't agree more on the barriers of this statement... schedule doesn't work for that, what is hunger, what is satisfaction, etc. But what I think is... THAT is where we come into play. Yes, we are there to say, eat blah blah calories by following this blah blah meal plan - giving facts. But I think if we tried to play more of a role of a " nutrition counselor " and worked individually with clients/patients to help them with these barriers then we would see much more success. At least that is what I have seen great success with. Teaching lifestyle (pertaining to the individual person's lifestyle) - not diet. From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of Diane Preves M.S., R.D. Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 11:45 AM To: rd-usa Subject: Re: Feeling full longer My point again--we need to help them in touch with real physiological hunger. Feeling full longer >> > >> > Does anyone else think that there's too much focus on " feeling full >> > longer " ? That maybe the advice to eat frequently to " prevent getting >> > hungry " >> > could result in over consumption of calories and weight gain? >> > >> > What is wrong with a little bit of hunger between meals? It is >> > definitely >> > easier to tolerate if you have the next meal planned. I'm backing off >> > the >> > rec eat frequently, recommending people eat a minimum of 3 meals per >> > day, >> > focusing on planned, balanced meals and not skipping meals. If snacks >> > are >> > desired then meals have to be smaller. >> > >> > I just read and article in the KidsPost section of Sunday's Washington >> > Post >> > >> > titled: Which would you choose? (picture of 1/2 doughnut and a medium >> > banana) Lots of sound nutrition information re: calories, calorie >> > needs, >> > importance of physical activity, nutrient density, etc. But then " A >> banana >> > also makes you feel full for a longer time. 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Guest guest Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 The RD's personal perspective shines through on this thread. To your question..... " How can we, as the nutrition experts, change inertia? " I say, RDs need different tactics and tools to connect to different folks. A few statements that have helped me create a spark. I need to figure out how to design a diet that gives you a metabolic and mental advantage to reach your goals. Look in the mirror. You have the recipe for maintaining your current weight. The collection of your lifestyle choices produced this body. If you want a different body (or a lower cholesterol, or other nutrition related health goal) you need to make changes and keep the changes. Fighting cancer is hard, getting off heroin is hard. Skipping desserts is not hard. Eating prophylactically without consequence (without weight gain) only works to the extent that your body can handle the food bolus that precedes your actual metabolic need for fuel. Your efficiency at handling large meals is a reflection of your exercise habits, your insulin sensitivity and your genetics. To illustrate, it is possible to run a half marathon (2.5 hours) in the morning and overeat that evening, and make fat cells the same day you ran a marathon. You have a total kcal (and carb) tolerance. Eating more than this threshold leads to metabolic dysfunction which leads to weight gain. The periods of time in-between meals is a metabolically active time. Meal spacing 4-5 hours in-between meals is a good starting point for many, adding in pre and post exercise fuel when appropriate. I can teach you how to eat to optimize your nutritional status. You need to learn how to control how you eat for enjoyment and for comfort. Keep your life full. Learn something new everyday. See food for what it is. Don't let meal time be the only enjoyable part of your day. Osowski MS, RD, LD Registered Dietitian Re: Feeling full longer My point again--we need to help them in touch with real physiological hunger. Feeling full longer >> > >> > Does anyone else think that there's too much focus on " feeling full >> > longer " ? That maybe the advice to eat frequently to " prevent getting >> > hungry " >> > could result in over consumption of calories and weight gain? >> > >> > What is wrong with a little bit of hunger between meals? It is >> > definitely >> > easier to tolerate if you have the next meal planned. I'm backing off >> > the >> > rec eat frequently, recommending people eat a minimum of 3 meals per >> > day, >> > focusing on planned, balanced meals and not skipping meals. If snacks >> > are >> > desired then meals have to be smaller. >> > >> > I just read and article in the KidsPost section of Sunday's Washington >> > Post >> > >> > titled: Which would you choose? (picture of 1/2 doughnut and a medium >> > banana) Lots of sound nutrition information re: calories, calorie >> > needs, >> > importance of physical activity, nutrient density, etc. But then " A >> banana >> > also makes you feel full for a longer time. " >> > >> > Even kids are being delivered the message full good, hunger bad. >> > >> > Looking forward to feedback from the list, >> > >> > Beth Triner, RD, CSR, LDN >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 The RD's personal perspective shines through on this thread. To your question..... " How can we, as the nutrition experts, change inertia? " I say, RDs need different tactics and tools to connect to different folks. A few statements that have helped me create a spark. I need to figure out how to design a diet that gives you a metabolic and mental advantage to reach your goals. Look in the mirror. You have the recipe for maintaining your current weight. The collection of your lifestyle choices produced this body. If you want a different body (or a lower cholesterol, or other nutrition related health goal) you need to make changes and keep the changes. Fighting cancer is hard, getting off heroin is hard. Skipping desserts is not hard. Eating prophylactically without consequence (without weight gain) only works to the extent that your body can handle the food bolus that precedes your actual metabolic need for fuel. Your efficiency at handling large meals is a reflection of your exercise habits, your insulin sensitivity and your genetics. To illustrate, it is possible to run a half marathon (2.5 hours) in the morning and overeat that evening, and make fat cells the same day you ran a marathon. You have a total kcal (and carb) tolerance. Eating more than this threshold leads to metabolic dysfunction which leads to weight gain. The periods of time in-between meals is a metabolically active time. Meal spacing 4-5 hours in-between meals is a good starting point for many, adding in pre and post exercise fuel when appropriate. I can teach you how to eat to optimize your nutritional status. You need to learn how to control how you eat for enjoyment and for comfort. Keep your life full. Learn something new everyday. See food for what it is. Don't let meal time be the only enjoyable part of your day. Osowski MS, RD, LD Registered Dietitian Re: Feeling full longer My point again--we need to help them in touch with real physiological hunger. Feeling full longer >> > >> > Does anyone else think that there's too much focus on " feeling full >> > longer " ? That maybe the advice to eat frequently to " prevent getting >> > hungry " >> > could result in over consumption of calories and weight gain? >> > >> > What is wrong with a little bit of hunger between meals? It is >> > definitely >> > easier to tolerate if you have the next meal planned. I'm backing off >> > the >> > rec eat frequently, recommending people eat a minimum of 3 meals per >> > day, >> > focusing on planned, balanced meals and not skipping meals. If snacks >> > are >> > desired then meals have to be smaller. >> > >> > I just read and article in the KidsPost section of Sunday's Washington >> > Post >> > >> > titled: Which would you choose? (picture of 1/2 doughnut and a medium >> > banana) Lots of sound nutrition information re: calories, calorie >> > needs, >> > importance of physical activity, nutrient density, etc. But then " A >> banana >> > also makes you feel full for a longer time. " >> > >> > Even kids are being delivered the message full good, hunger bad. >> > >> > Looking forward to feedback from the list, >> > >> > Beth Triner, RD, CSR, LDN >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 This is why I like Portion Controlled Meal Replacements in our busy non refrigerated work/school/driving etc environment....The Science of Six Healthy Meals Daily: Help you loose or control unwanted fat, Control hunger, Reduce blood insulin (a factor in fat storage & inflammation), Lower total cholesterol levels, Reduce LDL cholesterol, Reduce levels of apolipoprotein b (that clogs arteries), Depress glucose levels, Increase gall bladder bile acid secretion, Suppress free fatty acid levels, Reduce uric acid levels (a common risk factor for coronary heart disease, gout & arthritis), Increase uric acid secretion, Reduce adipose tissue enzyme levels, Reduce fluctuations in satiety (fullness), Increase & maintain energy & Increase immune functions to reduce risks of most cancers. Warning: For safety & effectiveness, choose only Medical Nutrition formulated low-calorie PCMRs. > ** > > > Wrote a response yesterday but decided not to send because I wasn't sure I > could make myself clear. Here goes.... > The issue is, of course, knowing when you're hungry and then responding > appropriately. To eat when hunger first appears or when you're ravenous. > How > much to eat--to satisfy or to eat until " full " . > The real problem, however, is not so much whether people can and do " feel " > hunger but it's our schedules! If you're a student, you wake up perhaps not > > ready to eat but you have to eat before you leave for school because (and > I HATE this...) " breakfast is the most important meal of the day " . So you > eat even though you're not ready to eat. Then you go off to school where > you have a 10 am " lunch " hour because that's the way the days is scheduled. > > You're still not hungry but it's the only time you have to eat. See where > I'm going with this? > Same for those of you who work where your eating opportunities are > scheduled. Noon lunch hour, for instance. > And how many times have I " filled " up on food because I knew that my next > meal (whether because I'm traveling or busy working or whatever) wouldn't > be > for many many hours. > So mostly we don't have the luxury of eating when we're hungry but when > opportunity allows. Then, yes, we do forget what it feels like to be > hungry, > whether mildly or ravenously. And we're almost afraid of hunger because we > know that we won't be able to satisfy it because of time constraints so we > eat in advance of the feeling hoping to stave it off. No one likes feeling > hungry for very long. > And the idea of feeling full...that bothers me, too. First off, to me, > feeling full means opening the top button on my pants. I never feel good > when > I've eaten that much. We should go to the idea of feeling " satisfied " which > > means eating way less than full (could be just that I'm playing with words > here but I do think that full connotes something that is not a healthy way > to eat). > Even for the foods that are purported to keep us " full " (or satisfied) > longer, we can't expect them to sustain us for five or six hours. That's > just > too long to go without eating. So I say we throw out that concept all > together. > As for " eating between meals " , we probably have redefine what a meal is. > What if you don't have time for a " meal " (which most of us think of as > something to eat sitting down with a plate and a fork and knife) but > instead eat > on the run. Is that a " snack " or a meal? > Hate to be such a stickler for the language thing but words confuse people. > > Big mistake to tell people to eat 6 small me a day. What's a " small " meal? > A regular size McD's burger vs a Big Mac? You try to fit six small meals > into one day when you're working. Have you ever worked retail? Can't be > chewing food when you're waiting on customers. > I'm just saying....we have to rethink a lot of what we recommend. Make it a > > little more consumer friendly. > Cheers to a good week regardless of the fact that my entire retirement is > now worth pennies. > Sharon > Sharon Salomon, M.S., R.D. > Freelance Writer > Member, Association of Health Care Journalists > > _http://www.linkedin.com/in/sharonsalomon_ > (http://www.linkedin.com/in/sharonsalomon) > _http://twitter.com/eatingagain_ (http://twitter.com/sharonmatty) > > In a message dated 8/8/2011 7:49:33 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > newlife4health@... writes: > > That's my point. We need to help them get to a point to experience hunger > > again, and then eat in response to it! > Diane > > Feeling full longer > > > > Does anyone else think that there's too much focus on " feeling full > > longer " ? That maybe the advice to eat frequently to " prevent getting > > hungry " > > could result in over consumption of calories and weight gain? > > > > What is wrong with a little bit of hunger between meals? It is definitely > > easier to tolerate if you have the next meal planned. I'm backing off the > > rec eat frequently, recommending people eat a minimum of 3 meals per day, > > focusing on planned, balanced meals and not skipping meals. If snacks are > > desired then meals have to be smaller. > > > > I just read and article in the KidsPost section of Sunday's Washington > > Post > > > > titled: Which would you choose? (picture of 1/2 doughnut and a medium > > banana) Lots of sound nutrition information re: calories, calorie needs, > > importance of physical activity, nutrient density, etc. But then " A > banana > > also makes you feel full for a longer time. " > > > > Even kids are being delivered the message full good, hunger bad. > > > > Looking forward to feedback from the list, > > > > Beth Triner, RD, CSR, LDN > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 I think we owe it to our profession to help when and where are can. Things your post made me think about: 1. I would ask this trainer if I could send her an email with some website links to healthier low cost meal ideas/recipes. 2. I would tell her that a large % of ones training results are nutrition related. I would ask if she wanted some basic nutrition info (authored by you) to give to her clients. 3. I have given free lectures at my library and my church to share basic nutrition messages. I think the general public needs to hear RDs talk. I enjoy these opportunities to help others through nutrition education. People understand that different RDs interpret nutrition science differently. We don't have one battle cry, but we all need to be interfacing with the public. 4. Everyday, throughout my day I talk to folks about nutrition. I enjoy this. I learn so much from all the different conversations I get into w different folks. I don't think we need to water down and sugar coat things for the public. Osowski MS, RD, LD Registered Dietitian Sent from my iPhone > Don't know what percent of population has visited a dietitian. What I do > know (intuitively) is that it is probably small and those who do are probably > not representative of the general population. > > Was talking with my trainer yesterday. She was telling me what she made for > dinner the previous night. Keep in mind she is a certified trainer, an > award winning body builder and somewhat knowledgeable about nutrition and > going to college. She said her sons don't like vegetables and refuse to try new > foods so she cooked a potato dish for dinner: Frozen hash browns mixed > with cream of mushroom soup topped with cheddar cheese. > > Soooooo, all the platitudes just don't filter down to the masses to change > their habits. This is a dish her mother cooked in the 80s and now it's > something she makes for her own kids. BTW....they loved it and asked her to > make it again. And she does cook. She cooks most of their meals. But her > cooking style is not the style we would recommend. She still goes for > convenience foods. Not because of time but more because of money issues and > familiarity. We still have so much to do. > > Some of the things people mentioned ideas on their posts that did ring > true to me and I appreciate how in tune most of you are with your clients > needs. Problem is most of America is not going to be visiting a dietitian for > one on one counseling. So, how do we frame the " message " to the masses. > That's still the problem that I see. > > Full. Satisfied. Hunger. All great concepts. But the mother (or father) who > cooks dinner using a can of cream of mushroom soup (and who among you who > is older than 40 has not done that at least once in your life!) may not > have the " privilege " of hearing that message directly from us. And we all know > how our national messages get distorted by the food industry. Case in > point: check out Janet Helm's blog today....Splenda with antioxidants. Really! > > Sharon > > Sharon Salomon, M.S., R.D. > Freelance Writer > Member, Association of Health Care Journalists > > _http://www.linkedin.com/in/sharonsalomon_ > (http://www.linkedin.com/in/sharonsalomon) > _http://twitter.com/eatingagain_ (http://twitter.com/sharonmatty) > > In a message dated 8/9/2011 8:47:28 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > nataliel@... writes: > > How can we change inertia? > > Figure out a way that eating healthy is something we " get " to do... not > something we " have " to do. > > Therefore, figure out a way to help make eating healthy fun, enjoyable, > etc. > > I'm always talking with my clients on how to make healthy food taste > yummy... that is why *I* believe that it's important to have cooking skills > being a dietitian. To make the actual meal time fun by doing different > activities - games, best thing of the day, special plates/glasses/placemats, give > positive thoughts to each food that is eaten, etc. > Try new foods that are exotic and interesting... I could go on and on. > > My thoughts are that if you are taking the time to emotionally fill > yourself up with food you will not have such the need to only do it physically. > For example, how many times have you sat down to eat a meal and before you > know it, it's over and you don't even remember what the food tasted like? > I know I have done it before. And what ends up happening later in the > night... not physically hungry but I want food. > > I do stress with all my clients that taking the time with food by eating > healthy and everything else that goes into it is work... so people aren't > just waiting for it to fall into their lap. > > > > From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of > nacrd@... > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 10:22 PM > To: rd-usa > Subject: Re: Feeling full longer > > Thanks for all the great feedback. I loved reading the respnses > > It emphasizes the importance of planned eating -- compensating for > weekends, social events, altered work schedules, life in general, etc. > > Not rocket science . . . . . But, definitely, not always " the path of least > resistance. " > > How can we, as the nutrition experts, change inertia? > > All ideas welcome, > > Beth > > In a message dated 8/8/2011 12:18:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > nataliel@...<mailto:nataliel%40apalacheecenter.org> writes: > > I couldn't agree with you more. > > My motto when educating is " eat when you're hungry, stop when you're > satisfied. " > > I also couldn't agree more on the barriers of this statement... schedule > doesn't work for that, what is hunger, what is satisfaction, etc. > > But what I think is... THAT is where we come into play. Yes, we are there > to say, eat blah blah calories by following this blah blah meal plan - > giving facts. But I think if we tried to play more of a role of a > " nutrition > counselor " and worked individually with clients/patients to help them with > these barriers then we would see much more success. At least that is what > I have seen great success with. Teaching lifestyle (pertaining to the > individual person's lifestyle) - not diet. > > > > From: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > Diane Preves M.S., R.D. > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 11:45 AM > To: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: Feeling full longer > > My point again--we need to help them in touch with real physiological > hunger. > > Feeling full longer > >> > > >> > Does anyone else think that there's too much focus on " feeling full > >> > longer " ? That maybe the advice to eat frequently to " prevent getting > >> > hungry " > >> > could result in over consumption of calories and weight gain? > >> > > >> > What is wrong with a little bit of hunger between meals? It is > >> > definitely > >> > easier to tolerate if you have the next meal planned. I'm backing off > >> > the > >> > rec eat frequently, recommending people eat a minimum of 3 meals per > >> > day, > >> > focusing on planned, balanced meals and not skipping meals. If snacks > >> > are > >> > desired then meals have to be smaller. > >> > > >> > I just read and article in the KidsPost section of Sunday's Washington > >> > Post > >> > > >> > titled: Which would you choose? (picture of 1/2 doughnut and a medium > >> > banana) Lots of sound nutrition information re: calories, calorie > >> > needs, > >> > importance of physical activity, nutrient density, etc. But then " A > >> banana > >> > also makes you feel full for a longer time. " > >> > > >> > Even kids are being delivered the message full good, hunger bad. > >> > > >> > Looking forward to feedback from the list, > >> > > >> > Beth Triner, RD, CSR, LDN > >> > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 I think we owe it to our profession to help when and where are can. Things your post made me think about: 1. I would ask this trainer if I could send her an email with some website links to healthier low cost meal ideas/recipes. 2. I would tell her that a large % of ones training results are nutrition related. I would ask if she wanted some basic nutrition info (authored by you) to give to her clients. 3. I have given free lectures at my library and my church to share basic nutrition messages. I think the general public needs to hear RDs talk. I enjoy these opportunities to help others through nutrition education. People understand that different RDs interpret nutrition science differently. We don't have one battle cry, but we all need to be interfacing with the public. 4. Everyday, throughout my day I talk to folks about nutrition. I enjoy this. I learn so much from all the different conversations I get into w different folks. I don't think we need to water down and sugar coat things for the public. Osowski MS, RD, LD Registered Dietitian Sent from my iPhone > Don't know what percent of population has visited a dietitian. What I do > know (intuitively) is that it is probably small and those who do are probably > not representative of the general population. > > Was talking with my trainer yesterday. She was telling me what she made for > dinner the previous night. Keep in mind she is a certified trainer, an > award winning body builder and somewhat knowledgeable about nutrition and > going to college. She said her sons don't like vegetables and refuse to try new > foods so she cooked a potato dish for dinner: Frozen hash browns mixed > with cream of mushroom soup topped with cheddar cheese. > > Soooooo, all the platitudes just don't filter down to the masses to change > their habits. This is a dish her mother cooked in the 80s and now it's > something she makes for her own kids. BTW....they loved it and asked her to > make it again. And she does cook. She cooks most of their meals. But her > cooking style is not the style we would recommend. She still goes for > convenience foods. Not because of time but more because of money issues and > familiarity. We still have so much to do. > > Some of the things people mentioned ideas on their posts that did ring > true to me and I appreciate how in tune most of you are with your clients > needs. Problem is most of America is not going to be visiting a dietitian for > one on one counseling. So, how do we frame the " message " to the masses. > That's still the problem that I see. > > Full. Satisfied. Hunger. All great concepts. But the mother (or father) who > cooks dinner using a can of cream of mushroom soup (and who among you who > is older than 40 has not done that at least once in your life!) may not > have the " privilege " of hearing that message directly from us. And we all know > how our national messages get distorted by the food industry. Case in > point: check out Janet Helm's blog today....Splenda with antioxidants. Really! > > Sharon > > Sharon Salomon, M.S., R.D. > Freelance Writer > Member, Association of Health Care Journalists > > _http://www.linkedin.com/in/sharonsalomon_ > (http://www.linkedin.com/in/sharonsalomon) > _http://twitter.com/eatingagain_ (http://twitter.com/sharonmatty) > > In a message dated 8/9/2011 8:47:28 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > nataliel@... writes: > > How can we change inertia? > > Figure out a way that eating healthy is something we " get " to do... not > something we " have " to do. > > Therefore, figure out a way to help make eating healthy fun, enjoyable, > etc. > > I'm always talking with my clients on how to make healthy food taste > yummy... that is why *I* believe that it's important to have cooking skills > being a dietitian. To make the actual meal time fun by doing different > activities - games, best thing of the day, special plates/glasses/placemats, give > positive thoughts to each food that is eaten, etc. > Try new foods that are exotic and interesting... I could go on and on. > > My thoughts are that if you are taking the time to emotionally fill > yourself up with food you will not have such the need to only do it physically. > For example, how many times have you sat down to eat a meal and before you > know it, it's over and you don't even remember what the food tasted like? > I know I have done it before. And what ends up happening later in the > night... not physically hungry but I want food. > > I do stress with all my clients that taking the time with food by eating > healthy and everything else that goes into it is work... so people aren't > just waiting for it to fall into their lap. > > > > From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of > nacrd@... > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 10:22 PM > To: rd-usa > Subject: Re: Feeling full longer > > Thanks for all the great feedback. I loved reading the respnses > > It emphasizes the importance of planned eating -- compensating for > weekends, social events, altered work schedules, life in general, etc. > > Not rocket science . . . . . But, definitely, not always " the path of least > resistance. " > > How can we, as the nutrition experts, change inertia? > > All ideas welcome, > > Beth > > In a message dated 8/8/2011 12:18:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > nataliel@...<mailto:nataliel%40apalacheecenter.org> writes: > > I couldn't agree with you more. > > My motto when educating is " eat when you're hungry, stop when you're > satisfied. " > > I also couldn't agree more on the barriers of this statement... schedule > doesn't work for that, what is hunger, what is satisfaction, etc. > > But what I think is... THAT is where we come into play. Yes, we are there > to say, eat blah blah calories by following this blah blah meal plan - > giving facts. But I think if we tried to play more of a role of a > " nutrition > counselor " and worked individually with clients/patients to help them with > these barriers then we would see much more success. At least that is what > I have seen great success with. Teaching lifestyle (pertaining to the > individual person's lifestyle) - not diet. > > > > From: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > Diane Preves M.S., R.D. > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 11:45 AM > To: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: Feeling full longer > > My point again--we need to help them in touch with real physiological > hunger. > > Feeling full longer > >> > > >> > Does anyone else think that there's too much focus on " feeling full > >> > longer " ? That maybe the advice to eat frequently to " prevent getting > >> > hungry " > >> > could result in over consumption of calories and weight gain? > >> > > >> > What is wrong with a little bit of hunger between meals? It is > >> > definitely > >> > easier to tolerate if you have the next meal planned. I'm backing off > >> > the > >> > rec eat frequently, recommending people eat a minimum of 3 meals per > >> > day, > >> > focusing on planned, balanced meals and not skipping meals. If snacks > >> > are > >> > desired then meals have to be smaller. > >> > > >> > I just read and article in the KidsPost section of Sunday's Washington > >> > Post > >> > > >> > titled: Which would you choose? (picture of 1/2 doughnut and a medium > >> > banana) Lots of sound nutrition information re: calories, calorie > >> > needs, > >> > importance of physical activity, nutrient density, etc. But then " A > >> banana > >> > also makes you feel full for a longer time. " > >> > > >> > Even kids are being delivered the message full good, hunger bad. > >> > > >> > Looking forward to feedback from the list, > >> > > >> > Beth Triner, RD, CSR, LDN > >> > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 I think we owe it to our profession to help when and where are can. Things your post made me think about: 1. I would ask this trainer if I could send her an email with some website links to healthier low cost meal ideas/recipes. 2. I would tell her that a large % of ones training results are nutrition related. I would ask if she wanted some basic nutrition info (authored by you) to give to her clients. 3. I have given free lectures at my library and my church to share basic nutrition messages. I think the general public needs to hear RDs talk. I enjoy these opportunities to help others through nutrition education. People understand that different RDs interpret nutrition science differently. We don't have one battle cry, but we all need to be interfacing with the public. 4. Everyday, throughout my day I talk to folks about nutrition. I enjoy this. I learn so much from all the different conversations I get into w different folks. I don't think we need to water down and sugar coat things for the public. Osowski MS, RD, LD Registered Dietitian Sent from my iPhone > Don't know what percent of population has visited a dietitian. What I do > know (intuitively) is that it is probably small and those who do are probably > not representative of the general population. > > Was talking with my trainer yesterday. She was telling me what she made for > dinner the previous night. Keep in mind she is a certified trainer, an > award winning body builder and somewhat knowledgeable about nutrition and > going to college. She said her sons don't like vegetables and refuse to try new > foods so she cooked a potato dish for dinner: Frozen hash browns mixed > with cream of mushroom soup topped with cheddar cheese. > > Soooooo, all the platitudes just don't filter down to the masses to change > their habits. This is a dish her mother cooked in the 80s and now it's > something she makes for her own kids. BTW....they loved it and asked her to > make it again. And she does cook. She cooks most of their meals. But her > cooking style is not the style we would recommend. She still goes for > convenience foods. Not because of time but more because of money issues and > familiarity. We still have so much to do. > > Some of the things people mentioned ideas on their posts that did ring > true to me and I appreciate how in tune most of you are with your clients > needs. Problem is most of America is not going to be visiting a dietitian for > one on one counseling. So, how do we frame the " message " to the masses. > That's still the problem that I see. > > Full. Satisfied. Hunger. All great concepts. But the mother (or father) who > cooks dinner using a can of cream of mushroom soup (and who among you who > is older than 40 has not done that at least once in your life!) may not > have the " privilege " of hearing that message directly from us. And we all know > how our national messages get distorted by the food industry. Case in > point: check out Janet Helm's blog today....Splenda with antioxidants. Really! > > Sharon > > Sharon Salomon, M.S., R.D. > Freelance Writer > Member, Association of Health Care Journalists > > _http://www.linkedin.com/in/sharonsalomon_ > (http://www.linkedin.com/in/sharonsalomon) > _http://twitter.com/eatingagain_ (http://twitter.com/sharonmatty) > > In a message dated 8/9/2011 8:47:28 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > nataliel@... writes: > > How can we change inertia? > > Figure out a way that eating healthy is something we " get " to do... not > something we " have " to do. > > Therefore, figure out a way to help make eating healthy fun, enjoyable, > etc. > > I'm always talking with my clients on how to make healthy food taste > yummy... that is why *I* believe that it's important to have cooking skills > being a dietitian. To make the actual meal time fun by doing different > activities - games, best thing of the day, special plates/glasses/placemats, give > positive thoughts to each food that is eaten, etc. > Try new foods that are exotic and interesting... I could go on and on. > > My thoughts are that if you are taking the time to emotionally fill > yourself up with food you will not have such the need to only do it physically. > For example, how many times have you sat down to eat a meal and before you > know it, it's over and you don't even remember what the food tasted like? > I know I have done it before. And what ends up happening later in the > night... not physically hungry but I want food. > > I do stress with all my clients that taking the time with food by eating > healthy and everything else that goes into it is work... so people aren't > just waiting for it to fall into their lap. > > > > From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of > nacrd@... > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 10:22 PM > To: rd-usa > Subject: Re: Feeling full longer > > Thanks for all the great feedback. I loved reading the respnses > > It emphasizes the importance of planned eating -- compensating for > weekends, social events, altered work schedules, life in general, etc. > > Not rocket science . . . . . But, definitely, not always " the path of least > resistance. " > > How can we, as the nutrition experts, change inertia? > > All ideas welcome, > > Beth > > In a message dated 8/8/2011 12:18:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > nataliel@...<mailto:nataliel%40apalacheecenter.org> writes: > > I couldn't agree with you more. > > My motto when educating is " eat when you're hungry, stop when you're > satisfied. " > > I also couldn't agree more on the barriers of this statement... schedule > doesn't work for that, what is hunger, what is satisfaction, etc. > > But what I think is... THAT is where we come into play. Yes, we are there > to say, eat blah blah calories by following this blah blah meal plan - > giving facts. But I think if we tried to play more of a role of a > " nutrition > counselor " and worked individually with clients/patients to help them with > these barriers then we would see much more success. At least that is what > I have seen great success with. Teaching lifestyle (pertaining to the > individual person's lifestyle) - not diet. > > > > From: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > Diane Preves M.S., R.D. > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 11:45 AM > To: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: Feeling full longer > > My point again--we need to help them in touch with real physiological > hunger. > > Feeling full longer > >> > > >> > Does anyone else think that there's too much focus on " feeling full > >> > longer " ? That maybe the advice to eat frequently to " prevent getting > >> > hungry " > >> > could result in over consumption of calories and weight gain? > >> > > >> > What is wrong with a little bit of hunger between meals? It is > >> > definitely > >> > easier to tolerate if you have the next meal planned. I'm backing off > >> > the > >> > rec eat frequently, recommending people eat a minimum of 3 meals per > >> > day, > >> > focusing on planned, balanced meals and not skipping meals. If snacks > >> > are > >> > desired then meals have to be smaller. > >> > > >> > I just read and article in the KidsPost section of Sunday's Washington > >> > Post > >> > > >> > titled: Which would you choose? (picture of 1/2 doughnut and a medium > >> > banana) Lots of sound nutrition information re: calories, calorie > >> > needs, > >> > importance of physical activity, nutrient density, etc. But then " A > >> banana > >> > also makes you feel full for a longer time. " > >> > > >> > Even kids are being delivered the message full good, hunger bad. > >> > > >> > Looking forward to feedback from the list, > >> > > >> > Beth Triner, RD, CSR, LDN > >> > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 Churches pair faith with fat-fighting to curb obesity Pastor Minor stirred a bit of controversy at his northwest Mississippi church when he banned fried chicken from the fellowship hall. But convinced that faith communities need to step up their efforts against obesity, Minor is now urging fellow African-American congregations nationwide to make the health of their members a priority. " Our bodies are not our own. They're a gift from God, " he said. " We should do a better job with our bodies. " Church leaders across the country agree. A pastor in San , Texas, last month kicked off a 100-day challenge that pairs faith with fat-fighting. A church in Tampa, Florida, hosted classes on healthier eating. Others have instituted " Salad Sundays, " community gardens and exercise programs. The wellness push comes at an opportune time, with recent reports showing Americans keep getting heavier. The problem is particularly worrisome in the South, the region with the country's highest adult obesity rates. Public health experts say faith communities, with their long records of tending to the sick and driving social change, are in a unique position to help tackle the obesity epidemic and the severe health problems associated with it. " Churches are a foundation in the community, " said Victor Sutton, director of the Office of Preventive Health for the Mississippi state health department. " Sometimes you can have a doctor tell someone something, and they'll blow it off, " he said. " A pastor can tell someone what to do, and they'll take it as a scientific fact. " But some religious leaders say they have learned that simply preaching against the sin of gluttony or holding once-a-year health fairs isn't enough. Distressed by the high obesity rate in San , Pastor Flowers launched a 100-day weight-loss challenge between churches in his city and Austin in July. He said the program focuses not only on slimming down but also helps participants sort out the emotional issues that drive them to overeat. " The gospel is a gospel of spirit, soul and body, " said Flowers, senior pastor at the Faith Outreach Center International in San . " We pay a lot of attention to the spirit side and very little attention to the body side. " Weekly access to members offers churches an effective means of both dispensing information and discerning needs, said , an assistant professor of public health at Tennessee State University and an associate pastor. A growing awareness of those assets has prompted churches to use weekly bulletins to address a host of medical issues, develop health ministries and connect members with primary health care services. Those who prepare the meals offered after services at ' church in Nashville have eliminated fried foods, cut back on salt and opted for turkey-based products over pork. " Those subtle kinds of policy changes can have a huge impact, " she said. The doughnuts-and-coffee culture that is so ingrained in church fellowship isn't always easily overcome. Minor, who has worked on local and regional health initiatives in the mid-South for more than a decade, said it was " a traumatic time " at his church when he ordered the switch to baked and grilled chicken. He also created a walking track in the church parking lot, swapped soft drinks with water and Crystal Light at church meals and encouraged more physical activities at picnics. " We've got members who are feeling better, looking better, " he said. " We haven't gotten everybody, but people are more accepting of it now. " Last fall, the educational arm of the National Baptist Convention USA Inc., the country's largest African-American denomination, gave Minor the green light to establish a network of trained health ambassadors to fuel initiatives in each of its congregations. He said the idea is to make health a year-round focus both in the church and beyond. A concern for the well-being of the broader community is behind many of the faith-based efforts to fight obesity, said Marjorie Paloma, a senior policy advisor at the Wood Foundation. The foundation in 2009 awarded about $5 million in grants to 22 faith-based coalitions working around the country to increase access to healthy foods and physical activity through community advocacy, particularly for children in minority groups and low-income neighborhoods who face the greatest risk of obesity. " So many of the faith communities have looked at it in more than just a framework of childhood obesity, " Paloma said. " It's really about ensuring that every person has the ability to live a long and healthy life. " LINK<http://www.modernmedicine.com/modernmedicine/Endocrinology/Churches-pair-fa\ ith-with-fat-fighting-to-curb-obes/ArticleNewsFeed/Article/detail/735080?context\ CategoryId=40172 & srcemalert=40172 & auid=294594> > ** > > > I think we owe it to our profession to help when and where are can. > Things your post made me think about: > 1. I would ask this trainer if I could send her an email with some website > links to healthier low cost meal ideas/recipes. > > 2. I would tell her that a large % of ones training results are nutrition > related. I would ask if she wanted some basic nutrition info (authored by > you) to give to her clients. > > 3. I have given free lectures at my library and my church to share basic > nutrition messages. I think the general public needs to hear RDs talk. I > enjoy these opportunities to help others through nutrition education. People > understand that different RDs interpret nutrition science differently. We > don't have one battle cry, but we all need to be interfacing with the > public. > > 4. Everyday, throughout my day I talk to folks about nutrition. I enjoy > this. I learn so much from all the different conversations I get into w > different folks. I don't think we need to water down and sugar coat things > for the public. > > > Osowski MS, RD, LD > Registered Dietitian > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > Don't know what percent of population has visited a dietitian. What I do > > know (intuitively) is that it is probably small and those who do are > probably > > not representative of the general population. > > > > Was talking with my trainer yesterday. She was telling me what she made > for > > dinner the previous night. Keep in mind she is a certified trainer, an > > award winning body builder and somewhat knowledgeable about nutrition and > > > going to college. She said her sons don't like vegetables and refuse to > try new > > foods so she cooked a potato dish for dinner: Frozen hash browns mixed > > with cream of mushroom soup topped with cheddar cheese. > > > > Soooooo, all the platitudes just don't filter down to the masses to > change > > their habits. This is a dish her mother cooked in the 80s and now it's > > something she makes for her own kids. BTW....they loved it and asked her > to > > make it again. And she does cook. She cooks most of their meals. But her > > cooking style is not the style we would recommend. She still goes for > > convenience foods. Not because of time but more because of money issues > and > > familiarity. We still have so much to do. > > > > Some of the things people mentioned ideas on their posts that did ring > > true to me and I appreciate how in tune most of you are with your clients > > > needs. Problem is most of America is not going to be visiting a dietitian > for > > one on one counseling. So, how do we frame the " message " to the masses. > > That's still the problem that I see. > > > > Full. Satisfied. Hunger. All great concepts. But the mother (or father) > who > > cooks dinner using a can of cream of mushroom soup (and who among you who > > > is older than 40 has not done that at least once in your life!) may not > > have the " privilege " of hearing that message directly from us. And we all > know > > how our national messages get distorted by the food industry. Case in > > point: check out Janet Helm's blog today....Splenda with antioxidants. > Really! > > > > Sharon > > > > Sharon Salomon, M.S., R.D. > > Freelance Writer > > Member, Association of Health Care Journalists > > > > _http://www.linkedin.com/in/sharonsalomon_ > > (http://www.linkedin.com/in/sharonsalomon) > > _http://twitter.com/eatingagain_ (http://twitter.com/sharonmatty) > > > > In a message dated 8/9/2011 8:47:28 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > > nataliel@... writes: > > > > How can we change inertia? > > > > Figure out a way that eating healthy is something we " get " to do... not > > something we " have " to do. > > > > Therefore, figure out a way to help make eating healthy fun, enjoyable, > > etc. > > > > I'm always talking with my clients on how to make healthy food taste > > yummy... that is why *I* believe that it's important to have cooking > skills > > being a dietitian. To make the actual meal time fun by doing different > > activities - games, best thing of the day, special > plates/glasses/placemats, give > > positive thoughts to each food that is eaten, etc. > > Try new foods that are exotic and interesting... I could go on and on. > > > > My thoughts are that if you are taking the time to emotionally fill > > yourself up with food you will not have such the need to only do it > physically. > > For example, how many times have you sat down to eat a meal and before > you > > know it, it's over and you don't even remember what the food tasted like? > > > I know I have done it before. And what ends up happening later in the > > night... not physically hungry but I want food. > > > > I do stress with all my clients that taking the time with food by eating > > healthy and everything else that goes into it is work... so people aren't > > > just waiting for it to fall into their lap. > > > > > > > > From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf > Of > > nacrd@... > > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 10:22 PM > > To: rd-usa > > Subject: Re: Feeling full longer > > > > Thanks for all the great feedback. I loved reading the respnses > > > > It emphasizes the importance of planned eating -- compensating for > > weekends, social events, altered work schedules, life in general, etc. > > > > Not rocket science . . . . . But, definitely, not always " the path of > least > > resistance. " > > > > How can we, as the nutrition experts, change inertia? > > > > All ideas welcome, > > > > Beth > > > > In a message dated 8/8/2011 12:18:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > nataliel@...<mailto:nataliel%40apalacheecenter.org> > writes: > > > > I couldn't agree with you more. > > > > My motto when educating is " eat when you're hungry, stop when you're > > satisfied. " > > > > I also couldn't agree more on the barriers of this statement... schedule > > doesn't work for that, what is hunger, what is satisfaction, etc. > > > > But what I think is... THAT is where we come into play. Yes, we are there > > to say, eat blah blah calories by following this blah blah meal plan - > > giving facts. But I think if we tried to play more of a role of a > > " nutrition > > counselor " and worked individually with clients/patients to help them > with > > these barriers then we would see much more success. At least that is what > > I have seen great success with. Teaching lifestyle (pertaining to the > > individual person's lifestyle) - not diet. > > > > > > > > From: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of > > Diane Preves M.S., R.D. > > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 11:45 AM > > To: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: Feeling full longer > > > > My point again--we need to help them in touch with real physiological > > hunger. > > > > Feeling full longer > > >> > > > >> > Does anyone else think that there's too much focus on " feeling full > > >> > longer " ? That maybe the advice to eat frequently to " prevent getting > > >> > hungry " > > >> > could result in over consumption of calories and weight gain? > > >> > > > >> > What is wrong with a little bit of hunger between meals? It is > > >> > definitely > > >> > easier to tolerate if you have the next meal planned. I'm backing > off > > >> > the > > >> > rec eat frequently, recommending people eat a minimum of 3 meals per > > >> > day, > > >> > focusing on planned, balanced meals and not skipping meals. If > snacks > > >> > are > > >> > desired then meals have to be smaller. > > >> > > > >> > I just read and article in the KidsPost section of Sunday's > Washington > > >> > Post > > >> > > > >> > titled: Which would you choose? (picture of 1/2 doughnut and a > medium > > >> > banana) Lots of sound nutrition information re: calories, calorie > > >> > needs, > > >> > importance of physical activity, nutrient density, etc. But then " A > > >> banana > > >> > also makes you feel full for a longer time. " > > >> > > > >> > Even kids are being delivered the message full good, hunger bad. > > >> > > > >> > Looking forward to feedback from the list, > > >> > > > >> > Beth Triner, RD, CSR, LDN > > >> > > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 I’ve thought about this subject this past evening and one of thoughts that kept coming back was I think that one of the reasons that diet/healthy eating/nutrition is something that is not completely grasped by all is that most feel that is all one way or the other… it’s black and white. I feel that we as dietitians really need to NOT do the same… teach the gray. So for example, Sharon I’m going to use your trainer’s dinner meal that she made… Frozen hash browns mixed with cream of mushroom soup topped with cheddar cheese – is this the ideal meal to make and feed to your family? No. But I don’t feel that it’s wrong either. If I were speaking to this person I would encourage her to do things to make this dish healthier… add veggies to the dish (even though her kids aren’t fans of veggies), use one of the healthier cream of soups that are lower in sodium and fat, add a leaner meat and cut back on the cheese… you see where I’m going. And I would also encourage her that if this is a meal that she served one night a week to try and do other more less processed meals the other nights… and then I would give simple, easy, cheap examples. But boy do I feel her pain as far as kids not eating veggies (or for that matter ANYTHING that is even considered healthy!). My point is… I feel that sometimes us dietitians come off as being it has to be all healthy. Period. Or you are doing something wrong. (And please do not misunderstand me… I’m not pointing fingers at anyone here, especially you Sharon). I’m just giving the opinions that I have heard from my clients when they first meet me – not even knowing me – just because I’m a dietitian. When I explain that you aren’t going to get the you can only eat “chicken breast with nothing on it, brown rice and broccoli†from me, they seemed relieved and happy – therefore hopefully having a better outcome. To really simplify what I’m really trying to say is “anything and everything in moderation…†and really educating on what that means. To address ’s point about “exotic†vs. “simple†foods… I agree. And I guess I really shouldn’t have used the word “exotic.†Way too strong of a word. What I really meant was different than the same old same old. But really not crazy different. Jasmine rice instead of plain rice, fresh herbs & spices instead of dried, hummus instead of mayo, lime or lemon zest for flavor instead of salt or fat, etc. And I do realize that these examples are more expensive than there counterpart, so I typically address other ways to try and save money with food. And also to address the 20 ingredient recipes… nothing makes me madder than to see an awesome looking picture on the front of Cooking Light only to find out to actually make the dish would cost me an arm and a leg plus 3 hours of my time! So yeah, I completely agree! But there again, I think this is why it is important to have cooking skills as a dietitian b/c then we could give examples on what to make, how to make it, and it be yummy! So to address another point… how do we reach the masses? I feel that what would most benefit us is get REGISTERED DIETITIANS in the school systems. Make Nutrition a mandatory class. And really really really teach these kids – this is how you eat – from A to Z… not just the facts, but the gray too. And this is what you do for exercise – FUN stuff! And how would they make sure that what is being taught at school reaches the parents also – different homework assignments, projects, etc. Will it solve the problem – probably not, but I do feel that it would help. But with all the cutbacks that education is experiencing how do WE make this happen? I don’t have an answer. I do wish though that instead of Obama focusing so much on growing gardens, she would focus more on getting the people who actually have been trained (us) out to the masses – through school, through better reimbursement from insurance companies, through holding people who are not licensed to teach nutrition but do anyway accountable – I’ll stop now… hope I didn’t offend anyone! I, however, am not willing to do free lectures anymore like does. I used to. But I do feel that my education, time, experience, etc. is worth more than free. Sorry. But that is a whole other subject, isn’t it? I’ve really enjoyed this conversation… From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of Osowski Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 8:58 AM To: rd-usa Subject: Re: Feeling full longer I think we owe it to our profession to help when and where are can. Things your post made me think about: 1. I would ask this trainer if I could send her an email with some website links to healthier low cost meal ideas/recipes. 2. I would tell her that a large % of ones training results are nutrition related. I would ask if she wanted some basic nutrition info (authored by you) to give to her clients. 3. I have given free lectures at my library and my church to share basic nutrition messages. I think the general public needs to hear RDs talk. I enjoy these opportunities to help others through nutrition education. People understand that different RDs interpret nutrition science differently. We don't have one battle cry, but we all need to be interfacing with the public. 4. Everyday, throughout my day I talk to folks about nutrition. I enjoy this. I learn so much from all the different conversations I get into w different folks. I don't think we need to water down and sugar coat things for the public. Osowski MS, RD, LD Registered Dietitian Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2011, at 11:31 AM, sbsrd@...<mailto:sbsrd%40aol.com> wrote: > Don't know what percent of population has visited a dietitian. What I do > know (intuitively) is that it is probably small and those who do are probably > not representative of the general population. > > Was talking with my trainer yesterday. She was telling me what she made for > dinner the previous night. Keep in mind she is a certified trainer, an > award winning body builder and somewhat knowledgeable about nutrition and > going to college. She said her sons don't like vegetables and refuse to try new > foods so she cooked a potato dish for dinner: Frozen hash browns mixed > with cream of mushroom soup topped with cheddar cheese. > > Soooooo, all the platitudes just don't filter down to the masses to change > their habits. This is a dish her mother cooked in the 80s and now it's > something she makes for her own kids. BTW....they loved it and asked her to > make it again. And she does cook. She cooks most of their meals. But her > cooking style is not the style we would recommend. She still goes for > convenience foods. Not because of time but more because of money issues and > familiarity. We still have so much to do. > > Some of the things people mentioned ideas on their posts that did ring > true to me and I appreciate how in tune most of you are with your clients > needs. Problem is most of America is not going to be visiting a dietitian for > one on one counseling. So, how do we frame the " message " to the masses. > That's still the problem that I see. > > Full. Satisfied. Hunger. All great concepts. But the mother (or father) who > cooks dinner using a can of cream of mushroom soup (and who among you who > is older than 40 has not done that at least once in your life!) may not > have the " privilege " of hearing that message directly from us. And we all know > how our national messages get distorted by the food industry. Case in > point: check out Janet Helm's blog today....Splenda with antioxidants. Really! > > Sharon > > Sharon Salomon, M.S., R.D. > Freelance Writer > Member, Association of Health Care Journalists > > _http://www.linkedin.com/in/sharonsalomon_ > (http://www.linkedin.com/in/sharonsalomon) > _http://twitter.com/eatingagain_ (http://twitter.com/sharonmatty) > > In a message dated 8/9/2011 8:47:28 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > nataliel@...<mailto:nataliel%40apalacheecenter.org> writes: > > How can we change inertia? > > Figure out a way that eating healthy is something we " get " to do... not > something we " have " to do. > > Therefore, figure out a way to help make eating healthy fun, enjoyable, > etc. > > I'm always talking with my clients on how to make healthy food taste > yummy... that is why *I* believe that it's important to have cooking skills > being a dietitian. To make the actual meal time fun by doing different > activities - games, best thing of the day, special plates/glasses/placemats, give > positive thoughts to each food that is eaten, etc. > Try new foods that are exotic and interesting... I could go on and on. > > My thoughts are that if you are taking the time to emotionally fill > yourself up with food you will not have such the need to only do it physically. > For example, how many times have you sat down to eat a meal and before you > know it, it's over and you don't even remember what the food tasted like? > I know I have done it before. And what ends up happening later in the > night... not physically hungry but I want food. > > I do stress with all my clients that taking the time with food by eating > healthy and everything else that goes into it is work... so people aren't > just waiting for it to fall into their lap. > > > > From: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > nacrd@...<mailto:nacrd%40aol.com> > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 10:22 PM > To: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: Feeling full longer > > Thanks for all the great feedback. I loved reading the respnses > > It emphasizes the importance of planned eating -- compensating for > weekends, social events, altered work schedules, life in general, etc. > > Not rocket science . . . . . But, definitely, not always " the path of least > resistance. " > > How can we, as the nutrition experts, change inertia? > > All ideas welcome, > > Beth > > In a message dated 8/8/2011 12:18:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > nataliel@...<mailto:nataliel%40apalacheecenter.org><mailto:natal\ iel%40apalacheecenter.org> writes: > > I couldn't agree with you more. > > My motto when educating is " eat when you're hungry, stop when you're > satisfied. " > > I also couldn't agree more on the barriers of this statement... schedule > doesn't work for that, what is hunger, what is satisfaction, etc. > > But what I think is... THAT is where we come into play. Yes, we are there > to say, eat blah blah calories by following this blah blah meal plan - > giving facts. But I think if we tried to play more of a role of a > " nutrition > counselor " and worked individually with clients/patients to help them with > these barriers then we would see much more success. At least that is what > I have seen great success with. Teaching lifestyle (pertaining to the > individual person's lifestyle) - not diet. > > > > From: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogro\ ups.com> > [mailto:rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:rd-usa%40\ yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > Diane Preves M.S., R.D. > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 11:45 AM > To: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogro\ ups.com> > Subject: Re: Feeling full longer > > My point again--we need to help them in touch with real physiological > hunger. > > Feeling full longer > >> > > >> > Does anyone else think that there's too much focus on " feeling full > >> > longer " ? That maybe the advice to eat frequently to " prevent getting > >> > hungry " > >> > could result in over consumption of calories and weight gain? > >> > > >> > What is wrong with a little bit of hunger between meals? It is > >> > definitely > >> > easier to tolerate if you have the next meal planned. I'm backing off > >> > the > >> > rec eat frequently, recommending people eat a minimum of 3 meals per > >> > day, > >> > focusing on planned, balanced meals and not skipping meals. If snacks > >> > are > >> > desired then meals have to be smaller. > >> > > >> > I just read and article in the KidsPost section of Sunday's Washington > >> > Post > >> > > >> > titled: Which would you choose? (picture of 1/2 doughnut and a medium > >> > banana) Lots of sound nutrition information re: calories, calorie > >> > needs, > >> > importance of physical activity, nutrient density, etc. But then " A > >> banana > >> > also makes you feel full for a longer time. " > >> > > >> > Even kids are being delivered the message full good, hunger bad. > >> > > >> > Looking forward to feedback from the list, > >> > > >> > Beth Triner, RD, CSR, LDN > >> > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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