RE: RD comment discouraging Paleo

May 6, 2011

" Paleo " in it's strictest sense doesn't make sense. No evidence for long term

benefits to avoid grains, soy, dairyÂ for MOST people. It's often ketogenic

(when

the Crossfitters are working hard and draining their glycogen storesÂ almost

daily).Â All the support is very subjective.Â The proponents are all over the

internet. But I've talked with many folks who personally couldn't do it as a

lifestyle.

Encouraging whole, clean foods and VEGGIES is a great side of the program. Love

that it pushes folks into organic produce, grass-fed beefs, etc.Â I'm okay if

folks want toÂ go gluten-free.Â However,Â I worry these folksÂ aren't getting

adequateÂ complex carbs to support the high intensity workouts since they avoid

so many other grains/starches.Â And I'm okay with avoiding soy/legumes

(although

it's such a good source of high fiber protein).Â Just not a fan of such a high

intake of protein/fat (our box owner sometimes brags about his diet being 50%

calories fromÂ fat when he's eating nuts all day long).Â Course it's all

relative

since they also have " cheat " days.Â

When I'm asked by other membersÂ of my CrossfitÂ box I will explain the pros &

cons from my perspective as an RD; including the high phosphorous content that

can contribute to pullingÂ more calcium out of the bones than can be replaced

(the intake is very low). I encouraged the use of chocolate milk post workout

(rather than expensive protein powders) so at least there is

replacementÂ carbs/protein and dietary calcium.Â I'm not a strict ADA/My

Pyramid

person, I try to personalize recommendations after going over the basics.Â But

I

cannot promote pure Paleo as a lifestyle for most people.

HollyÂ Â

Crossfit Las Vegas since Sep 2009Â ----------

Holly Lee Brewer, MS RD CDE

Pediatric Dietitian, Diabetes Educator

Medical Nutrition Therapist, Las Vegas, NV

Maj Holly Brewer, USAFR BSC http://hollyinbalad.blogspot.com

301st MDS, NAS JRB Fort Worth (Carswell), TX

Joint Base Balad, Iraq (Jan-Jul 2009)

________________________________

To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

Cc: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

Sent: Fri, May 6, 2011 5:50:53 AM

Subject: RD comment discouraging Paleo

Â

I am still trying to understand why RDs would discourage someone from following

a Paleo diet if that is someones choice.

A paleo diet defaults to the oldest foods on earth. Grass fed, pastured meats

and poultry, wild caught fish, veggies, roots, tubers, nuts, seeds, healthy

fats.

There are other foods such as dairy and whole grains that many Paleo folks add

and they claim 80% compliance to paleo or they follow the diet advice of the

Western Price Foundation or other whole food based diets.

Most Paleo eaters shun mass produced corn feed cattle consumption, avoid all

processed foods, and avoid artificial sweeteners. Why do RDs not see this as a

whole food diet that beats the pants off of the USDA diet. Why do RDs feel

compelled to recommend " 2 meat, 2 starch, 1 fruit, and 1 fat " without regard to

the degree of food quality or nutrient density.

Osowski MS, RD, LD

Registered Dietitian

Sent from my iPhone

> I would like to know why it assumes that the individuals with less salt

> excretion in their urine were also consuming less salt in their diet. It would

> be a methodological flaw to claim urinary salt levels directly relate to

>dietary

>

> salt levels.

>

> I would assume based on my understanding of physiology that the ones at

>greatest

>

> risk for heart disease, who coincidentally also had the least sodium excretion

> in their urine, were actually consuming similar amounts of salt but were

> retaining more and that is what put them at greater cardiovascular risk over

>the

>

> long run- they would be the ones that would benefit from a low salt diet

> probably - the ones with kidneys that don't process it properly. How can we

> identify that salt sensitive portion of the population instead of recommending

>a

>

> highly restrictive diet for everyone?

>

> I would suggest a repeat study that first assesses renal control of sodium

> excretion- lab measured diet intakes and urine outputs for exact " pre "

> measurement estimates of the person's kidney control over sodium excretion and

> then further tracks over the long run with food frequency forms and other

tools

>

> the average sodium preferences of the participants as well as their CVD

> outcomes.

>

> The black population tends to excrete more magnesium and retain more calcium -

> so yes - they may very well retain more sodium also and would benefit from a

> moderate to low sodium and calcium diet and increased magnesium foods - ie -

> lower dairy intake and higher vegetable and vegetable protein sources more

like

>

> the native diet. (only people with Paleo ancestors in their closest genetic

>past

>

> need a Paleo diet)

>

> R Vajda, R.D.

> www.GingerJens.com

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: rd-usa

> Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 8:35:53 AM

> Subject: Re: Study Challenges Link Between Salt and Heart Disease:

> MedlinePlus

>

> That study has some methodological flaws. You can read the review here:

>

>http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/salt/jama-sodium-study-flawed/index\

..html

>l

>

> Catia Borges

>

> >

> > http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_111659.html

> >

> > Sent from my iPhone

> >

>

May 6, 2011

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www.GingerJens.com

________________________________

To: rd-usa

Sent: Fri, May 6, 2011 11:05:56 AM

Subject: Re: RD comment discouraging Paleo

" Paleo " in it's strictest sense doesn't make sense. No evidence for long term

benefits to avoid grains, soy, dairy for MOST people. It's often ketogenic (when

the Crossfitters are working hard and draining their glycogen stores almost

daily). All the support is very subjective. The proponents are all over the

internet. But I've talked with many folks who personally couldn't do it as a

lifestyle.

Encouraging whole, clean foods and VEGGIES is a great side of the program. Love

that it pushes folks into organic produce, grass-fed beefs, etc. I'm okay if

folks want to go gluten-free. However, I worry these folks aren't getting

adequate complex carbs to support the high intensity workouts since they avoid

so many other grains/starches. And I'm okay with avoiding soy/legumes (although

it's such a good source of high fiber protein). Just not a fan of such a high

intake of protein/fat (our box owner sometimes brags about his diet being 50%

calories from fat when he's eating nuts all day long). Course it's all relative

since they also have " cheat " days.

When I'm asked by other members of my Crossfit box I will explain the pros &

cons from my perspective as an RD; including the high phosphorous content that

can contribute to pulling more calcium out of the bones than can be replaced

(the intake is very low). I encouraged the use of chocolate milk post workout

(rather than expensive protein powders) so at least there is

replacement carbs/protein and dietary calcium. I'm not a strict ADA/My Pyramid

person, I try to personalize recommendations after going over the basics. But I

cannot promote pure Paleo as a lifestyle for most people.

Holly

Crossfit Las Vegas since Sep 2009 ----------

Holly Lee Brewer, MS RD CDE

Pediatric Dietitian, Diabetes Educator

Medical Nutrition Therapist, Las Vegas, NV

Maj Holly Brewer, USAFR BSC http://hollyinbalad.blogspot.com

301st MDS, NAS JRB Fort Worth (Carswell), TX

Joint Base Balad, Iraq (Jan-Jul 2009)

________________________________

To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

Cc: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

Sent: Fri, May 6, 2011 5:50:53 AM

Subject: RD comment discouraging Paleo

I am still trying to understand why RDs would discourage someone from following

a Paleo diet if that is someones choice.

A paleo diet defaults to the oldest foods on earth. Grass fed, pastured meats

and poultry, wild caught fish, veggies, roots, tubers, nuts, seeds, healthy

fats.

There are other foods such as dairy and whole grains that many Paleo folks add

and they claim 80% compliance to paleo or they follow the diet advice of the

Western Price Foundation or other whole food based diets.

Most Paleo eaters shun mass produced corn feed cattle consumption, avoid all

processed foods, and avoid artificial sweeteners. Why do RDs not see this as a

whole food diet that beats the pants off of the USDA diet. Why do RDs feel

compelled to recommend " 2 meat, 2 starch, 1 fruit, and 1 fat " without regard to

the degree of food quality or nutrient density.

Osowski MS, RD, LD

Registered Dietitian

Sent from my iPhone

> I would like to know why it assumes that the individuals with less salt

> excretion in their urine were also consuming less salt in their diet. It would

> be a methodological flaw to claim urinary salt levels directly relate to

>dietary

>

> salt levels.

>

> I would assume based on my understanding of physiology that the ones at

>greatest

>

> risk for heart disease, who coincidentally also had the least sodium excretion

> in their urine, were actually consuming similar amounts of salt but were

> retaining more and that is what put them at greater cardiovascular risk over

>the

>

> long run- they would be the ones that would benefit from a low salt diet

> probably - the ones with kidneys that don't process it properly. How can we

> identify that salt sensitive portion of the population instead of recommending

>a

>

> highly restrictive diet for everyone?

>

> I would suggest a repeat study that first assesses renal control of sodium

> excretion- lab measured diet intakes and urine outputs for exact " pre "

> measurement estimates of the person's kidney control over sodium excretion and

> then further tracks over the long run with food frequency forms and other

tools

>

> the average sodium preferences of the participants as well as their CVD

> outcomes.

>

> The black population tends to excrete more magnesium and retain more calcium -

> so yes - they may very well retain more sodium also and would benefit from a

> moderate to low sodium and calcium diet and increased magnesium foods - ie -

> lower dairy intake and higher vegetable and vegetable protein sources more

like

>

> the native diet. (only people with Paleo ancestors in their closest genetic

>past

>

> need a Paleo diet)

>

> R Vajda, R.D.

> www.GingerJens.com

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: rd-usa

> Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 8:35:53 AM

> Subject: Re: Study Challenges Link Between Salt and Heart Disease:

> MedlinePlus

>

> That study has some methodological flaws. You can read the review here:

>

>http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/salt/jama-sodium-study-flawed/index\

..html

>

>l

>

> Catia Borges

>

> >

> > http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_111659.html

> >

> > Sent from my iPhone

> >

>

May 7, 2011

Dear Holly-

I hesitate to engage in an intellectual match with you, since I invision you as

a superwomen RD with abs of steel who can dead lift 200#, but I cant resist the

opportunity to hear more about your views. Thanks for sharing your perspective.

Being in the Crossfit Paleo world and being an RD has taught me to challenge

everything and to have an open mind to the plethora of nutrition

papers/theories.

Re: RD comment discouraging Paleo

Holly - " Paleo " in it's strictest sense doesn't make sense. No evidence for long

term

benefits to avoid grains, soy, dairy for MOST people.

LISA -MANY RESEARCHERS (L CORDAIN, A DEVANY) PROPOSE THAT GRAINS (BREADS,

CEREALS, PASTA, RICE) PROVOKE AN INFLAMMATORY RESPONSE IN THE GUT, SPIKE

INSULIN, HAVE AN ACIDIFYING EFFECT IN THE BODY, AND ARE ESSENTIALLY EMPTY

CALORIES, NUTRITIONAL DENSE AND NUTRITIONALLY MEAGER COMPARED TO VEGGIES/FRUITS.

It's often ketogenic (when the Crossfitters are working hard and draining their

glycogen stores almost daily). PALEO DIETS ARE BASED ON WHOLE FOODS. THE

MACRONUTRIENT COMPOSITION IS VARIED BASED ON EXERCISE LEVEL. GLYCOGEN DEPLETING

ACTIVITIES SUCH AS CROSS FIT WOULD REQUIRE A HIGHER CARB INTAKE. WHEN A BODY IS

RUNNING ON GLYCOGEN AND THEN SWITCHES TO STORED FAT, THESE FOLKS ARE NOT IN

KETOSIS, THEY ARE JUST USING KETONES FOR FUEL. USING KETONES FOR FUEL DURING THE

DAY IS NOT DANGEROUS, IT IS NORMAL PHYSIOLOGY. PEOPLE WHO EAT A STEADY SUPPLY OF

CARBS NEVER BURN THEIR STORED FAT.

All the support is very subjective. The proponents are all over the internet.

But I've talked with many folks who personally couldn't do it as a lifestyle.

AGREED, FEW CAN FOLLOW STRICT PALEO FOR EVEN 30 DAYS. BUT INTERESTINGLY, THE

FOODS THAT ONE HAS TROUBLE LIMITING OR ELIMINATING ARE OFTEN THE EXACT FOODS

THAT GIVE FOLKS THE MOST TROUBLE. MANY FOLKS ARE ADDICTED TO THE FOODS THAT ARE

HARMING THEM.

Encouraging whole, clean foods and VEGGIES is a great side of the program. Love

that it pushes folks into organic produce, grass-fed beefs, etc. I'm okay if

folks want to go gluten-free. However, I worry these folks aren't getting

adequate complex carbs to support the high intensity workouts since they avoid

so many other grains/starches. THERE IS A GREAT CHART THE THE PALEO SOLUTION

BOOK AND ALSO AT THE VARIOUS PALEO WEB SITES THAT COMPARE THE NUTRIENT DENSITY

OF COMPLEX CARBS VS THE PALEO CARBS. THE THEORY HERE IS BASED ON ACTIVITY LEVEL.

ON THE DAYS YOU CROSSFIT, A POST WORKOUT SWEET POTATO MAKES SENSE. ON THE DAYS

YOU DON'T, YOUR BODY DOESN'T NEED 100GM OF CARBS AND WILL ONLY STORE THE KCALS

AS FAT. THE POINT HERE IS THAT THERE ARE NO ESSENTIAL CARBS. HUMANS CAN EAT

CARBS IN LOWER QUANTITIES AND CONVERT SOME OF THEIR DIETARY PROTEIN AND FAT

KCALS INTO GLUCOSE TO FUEL OUR BRAINS AND RED BLOOD CELLS. THE REALITY IS.....

IF SOMEONE HAS FAT DEPOSITION AROUND THEIR MIDDLE, THEY ARE EATING MORE CARBS

THAN THEY NEED. POST WORKOUT, OUR BODIES NEED CARBS, BUT WE DONT NEED TO RUN

OVER TO THE GYM CAFE AND SWIG DOWN A FRUIT SMOOTHIE ASAP. OUR BODIES HAVE

SOPHISTICATED PATHWAYS TO REFUEL AND REBUILD.

And I'm okay with avoiding soy/legumes (although

it's such a good source of high fiber protein). I TOO, HAVE MAJOR CONCERNS WITH

PROCESSED SOY PROTEIN (ESTROGENIC PROPERTIES). THE PALEO DIET LIMITS LEGUMES DUE

TO THE LECTIN CONTENT AND THE RELATIVELY INFERIOR PROTEIN QUALITY. I DO LIKE

AND EAT LEGUMES. I RECENTLY HEAR GARY TAUBES INTERVIEWED BY ROBB WOLF. GARY SAID

" SO EVERY MORNING I HAVE 1 SLICE OF PUMPERNICKEL BREAD. YOU ARE SAYING MY HEALTH

WOULD BE GREATLY IMPROVED IF I SWAPPED IT OUT FOR A SWEET POTATO? THAT WOULD BE

HARD SINCE I DONT LIKE SWEET POTATOES " . SO I GET IT HERE. TAKING PALEO TO AN

EXTREME SEEMS SILLY, AND I DONT FOLLOW 100%. BUT I DO THINK IF GARY T SWAPPED

OUT BREAD FOR SWEET POTATOES AND IF I SWAPPED OUT LEGUMES FOR ANIMAL PROTEIN,

OVER A DECADE, THE CHRONIC EXPOSURE OR LACK OR EXPOSURE TO THESE DIFFERENT

NUTRIENTS CAN IMPACT OUR HEALTH.

Just not a fan of such a high

intake of protein/fat (our box owner sometimes brags about his diet being 50%

calories from fat when he's eating nuts all day long). Course it's all relative

since they also have " cheat " days.

THE ROBB WOLF BOOK CLEARLY STATES THE MACRONUTRIENT COMPOSITION IS BASED ON

PERSONAL GOALS AND ONE'S UNIQUE METABOLISM. HIS BOOK STATES THAT THE UPPER

CEILING FOR PROTEIN IS 30%. THERE IS NO BENEFIT TO EATING MORE THAT 30% OF TOTAL

KCALS. MUCH OF THE PROTEIN EVEN AT 30% IS BURNED FOR FUEL VIA GLUCONEOGENESIS.

CARB INTAKE IS SET TO FUEL ACTIVITY. CAN BE LOW 20%, CAN BE > 50%. THE REMAINDER

OF THE DIET IS FAT WHICH IS METABOLICALLY NEUTRAL/PASSIVE, AND CARDIO NEUTRAL OR

PROTECTIVE, WHILE BEING HIGHLY SATIATING. I HAVE SEEN SOME FOLKS PERFORM AND

LOOK HEALTHY ON A 50% FAT, 30% PRO AND 20% CARB INTAKE, ALTHOUGH MOST FOLKS

FOLLOW MORE OF A 30% P, 30-40% C, 30-40% F DIET.

When I'm asked by other members of my Crossfit box I will explain the pros &

cons from my perspective as an RD; including the high phosphorous content that

can contribute to pulling more calcium out of the bones than can be replaced

(the intake is very low).

THIS ASSUMPTION THAT A PALEO DIET CAUSES OSTEOPOROSIS IS FALSE. BONE

MINERALIZATION IS BASED ON NET CALCIUM BALANCE, NOT JUST CALCIUM INTAKE. WHEN

GRAINS, AND SALTED PROCESSED FOODS ARE REDUCED, CA BALANCE IS HIGHER, AND

DISEASES ASSOCIATED WITH THE SAD DIET (CA KIDNEY STONES, HTN, STROKES) ARE

REDUCED. ANOTHER FACTORS, WHOLE GRAINS ARE QUITE HIGH IN PHOSPHORUS AND MANY

VEGGIES CONTAIN CA. PALEO DIETS ANALYZED FOR MICRONUTRIENT COMPOSITION OFTEN

SHOW CALCIUM AT OR SLIGHTLY BELOW RDI, HOWEVER, NATURALLY OCCURRING MAGNESIUM,

IRON AND ZINC ARE OFTEN >RDI.

I encouraged the use of chocolate milk post workout

(rather than expensive protein powders) so at least there is

replacement carbs/protein and dietary calcium. I KNOW CHOC MILK IS THE SEXY POST

WORKOUT RECOVERY. I AM NOT A FAN. MY KIDS DRINK 2% MILK, BUT ADDING 15 GM OF

SUCROSE + COCO PROCESSED WITH ALKALI? I CAN THINK OF BETTER PROTEIN/CARB FOODS

TO REPLETE POST WORKOUT. AND UNLESS SOMEONE IS DOING MULTIPLE WORKOUTS WITHIN A

DAY (6AM SWIM PRACTICE, 3PM BASKETBALL PRACTICE) WHY DO WE ENCOURAGE IMMEDIATE

REPLETION? OUR BODIES HAVE THE ABILITY TO REPLETE AS LONG AS MIXED FUEL WAS

EATEN BEFORE AND WILL BE CONSUMED AFTER A WORKOUT. SUGAR POST WORKOUT WILL

IMPEDE BODY FAT COMPOSITION CHANGES IF THAT IS A GOAL.

I'm not a strict ADA/My Pyramid

person, I try to personalize recommendations after going over the basics. But I

cannot promote pure Paleo as a lifestyle for most people. AGREED. IT IS MUCH

EASIER AND MORE REALISTIC TO EAT OFF STANDARD FOOD SUPPLY.

I DO THINK THERE ARE GREAT ASPECTS OF THE PALEO DIET, AND PEOPLE WHO GO FOR IT

REPORT FANTASTIC HEALTH IMPROVEMENTS.

Holly

Crossfit Las Vegas since Sep 2009 ----------

Holly Lee Brewer, MS RD CDE

Pediatric Dietitian, Diabetes Educator

Medical Nutrition Therapist, Las Vegas, NV

Maj Holly Brewer, USAFR BSC http://hollyinbalad.blogspot.com

301st MDS, NAS JRB Fort Worth (Carswell), TX

Joint Base Balad, Iraq (Jan-Jul 2009)

May 7, 2011

OK, it's a deal.

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

Jackie Chase

Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 5:05 PM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Re: RD comment discouraging Paleo

If you find that diet pass it on, I could sure use i.

Jackie Chase RD

Dillingham AK

> Jackie,

>

> I just finally became curious enough to spend a little time reading about

> this topic, and then spent the next hour and some during my 2 mile walk in

> the flatlands with hubby thinking and discussing the bit I've learned.

It's

> quite an interesting topic - and theory. But everything has to be done in

> moderation I believe, and also in a logical way. And definitely some of

the

> stuff I've read this morning about the Paleo diet makes sense. It's

> interesting how almost every opinion I read - in the excerpts of articles

> and books I found - is a bit different. Not too far removed from what we

as

> RDs find in our own straightforward fundamental nutrition approaches. That

> makes sense to me too, and I even find it possible to try some of the

> approaches I've read. I just downloaded the herbs & spices booklet since

we

> plant them all over the place (unfortunately my cats and dogs like them

too)

> and use them for cooking daily. I think that's a good way for me to start.

> But I don't see myself adopting that, or any other restrictive or

> specialized diet permanently. Especially since I enjoy eating and like the

> variety of foods available to me.

>

> My husband pointed out that longevity is quite different today than it was

> in the Paleolithic age, as are our environment, lifestyle, and

> circumstances. Therefore, adaptation is needed. Having everything

available

> any time we want it, including fresh produce and almost any kind of

protein

> food if you can afford it (think Bristol Farms and imported produce

> yearround), makes a big difference in our eating habits. I think nothing

of

> buying fresh strawberries in the middle of winter, yet I know my

> strawberries aren't ready until April or May; I buy any greens I want any

> time of the year, but my greens and lettuces have their season and it's

not

> all 12 months. However, we also have advantages in having hybrids

available

> - we found a delicious spinach we can grow and harvest in the winter. The

> downside? We have to fight the bugs for all the greens! And usually they

get

> there first. My daughter recommended diatomaceous earth which is what she

> uses in her garden because we can't or won't use poisons. I'm not

> knowledgeable enough about Paleo or any other specialty diet to comment,

but

> I can read and decide what's best for my health. Just wish someone would

> discuss the best diet for my old joints, that aren't holding up too well

> these days.

>

May 9, 2011

Hi Jackie- there is vast agreement between the Paleo community views and you and

your respect for food seasonality. I dont think it is helpful to speculate

exactly what was eaten in the paleo timeframe since folks close to the equator

ate differently from those folks in colder climates. However, what was true back

then and remains true now regarding optimizing micronurient intake:

Eat what is in season

Support local famers

Plant a garden

When you have the desire and finances to purchase foods shipped in, respect that

that those foods don't need to be apart of your daily diet

For example, in Chicago you would need to fly in a coconut. In Alaska you likely

need to fly in an avocado. If you have the resources, most would agree

purchasing whole foods is money well spend, definitely better than living off of

mass produced processed grain foods. But if is not typically necessary to rely

on foods grown in other regions.

Another thought..... Does it make sense to always maintain a stable consistent

level of all micronutrients all year round? Is eating local fruits and veggies

(resulting in fluctuating levels of micronutrients) more healthy and normal than

taking a MVI everyday?

Osowski MS, RD, LD

Registered Dietitian

Sent from my iPhone

> I really have issues with the MODERN Paleo Diet. A true Paleo diet would be

very seasonal. Everything would have been eaten in season. Right now I am

waiting for the first fireweed sprouts and the fiddle heads. It is herring

season followed by if we are lucky halibut then salmon till August. Berries

start in July and go through September. Moose season in August September before

the rut. Bull moose taste bad when in rut. To everything there is a season and I

am not talking about the song. In the Paleo world without food storage you would

of gathered greens in the spring, berries in the summer, seeds of all sorts

(grains, legumes, nuts etc.) and tubers in the late summer and fall. Winter

meant meat only with its tasty fat needed to keep you warm. The Paleo world was

much cooler then today and no central heating. When spring came again you would

go crazy over all the spring greens. All in a continual cycle. Definitely not

your modern Paleo eater. Up here in Bush Alaska, people are still near and dear

to a subsistence life style and eating pattern. Like I said I can't wait for the

first fireweed sprouts.

>

> Jackie Chase RD

> Dillingham AK

>

May 9, 2011

I woke up to this email and started to think about how the Paleo diet resembles

so much the way land turtles eat. Those turtles, they may have something there

â€“ no wonder they can live to be over 100 years old!

Digna

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

Osowski

Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 7:32 AM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Re: RD comment discouraging Paleo

Hi Jackie- there is vast agreement between the Paleo community views and you and

your respect for food seasonality. I dont think it is helpful to speculate

exactly what was eaten in the paleo timeframe since folks close to the equator

ate differently from those folks in colder climates. However, what was true back

then and remains true now regarding optimizing micronurient intake:

Eat what is in season

Support local famers

Plant a garden

When you have the desire and finances to purchase foods shipped in, respect that

that those foods don't need to be apart of your daily diet

For example, in Chicago you would need to fly in a coconut. In Alaska you likely

need to fly in an avocado. If you have the resources, most would agree

purchasing whole foods is money well spend, definitely better than living off of

mass produced processed grain foods. But if is not typically necessary to rely

on foods grown in other regions.

Another thought..... Does it make sense to always maintain a stable consistent

level of all micronutrients all year round? Is eating local fruits and veggies

(resulting in fluctuating levels of micronutrients) more healthy and normal than

taking a MVI everyday?

Osowski MS, RD, LD

Registered Dietitian

Sent from my iPhone

On May 7, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Jackie Chase <jackiechase66@...

<mailto:jackiechase66%40yahoo.com> > wrote: