RE: LEAP Reply to (reply 3)

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Actually, trained CLTs DO study the " research " behind LEAP -it's just not

strong enough yet for those that insist on DBPC clinical trials, which, for

a small company, are prohibitively expensive. If you can find somebody

ready to spend $500,000 to do these studies, trust me, Signet would jump at the

opportunity.

If there's a paid acadamia person that has the time and interest, we'd love

to have that person do research, but every one we've talked to insists on

$$$$ that aren't available. If somebody wants to do research that doesn't

already work 60 hours a week on everything else, we'd strongly support that

person's research as well, just not monetarily! (At least, not yet . .)

But, if you look at the literature on non-IgE immune reactions, cytokine

research and then see clinical results, it's enough for most of us to realize

that it's more than testimonial. There's a huge body of literature that

shows that mediators are elevated during exacerbation of inflammatory

conditions such as IBS, arthritis and such - and it makes perfect, scientific

sense why we're seeing the results we see, when we know we have a test that

measures the end-point of all non-IgE immune reactions.

Also, ALL we're really doing is what many RDs have done for years. I don't

know if the current NCM has an " Allergy Elimination Diet " in it or not -

one of my old NCM's did. It's been " standard practice " for many years. LEAP

is JUST an elimination diet. True, it's based on that individuals blood

response to antigens - which just makes it more like driving cross-country

with a Garmin GPS instead of " I'll point the car west and hope I end up in San

Francisco. " Both should get you where you're going, but one gets you

there more efficiently/effectively. To us, that's the difference between a

standard elimination diet and the MRT based elimination diet.

In a message dated 6/20/2011 4:05:22 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

rd-usa writes:

On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Ortiz <_nrord1@..._

(mailto:nrord1@...) > wrote:

> Full liquid is still useful with speech pathologists. It can also be

> interpreted in many ways - full liquid thicken - honey, nectar etc. I

think

> it is the inappropriate use that should be looked at, not some real uses

> for

> it.

>

> Interesting people are upset with Pam but not for LEAP. When are real

> studies going to be done - not saying it doesn't work but maybe it could

be

> EBM if the LEAP company and therapists would do some studies and have it

> published. Just a thought...I would love to recommend it but I do want

some

> data first, not testimonials.

>

Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

Director of Medical Nutrition

Signet Diagnostic Corp.

Telecommuting Nationwide

(Mountain Time)

Fax:

DineRight4@...

Certified LEAP Therapist and specialist in food sensitivity for IBS,

migraine, fibromyalgia and multiple inflammatory conditions. Co-author of the

Certified LEAP Therapist (CLT) Training Course.

[Guest guest]

BTW, My Leap training was approved for CEUs so work it into your RD

portfolio!

Sent from my iPhone

> Hi ,

>

> Actually, trained CLTs DO study the " research " behind LEAP -it's

> just not

> strong enough yet for those that insist on DBPC clinical trials,

> which, for

> a small company, are prohibitively expensive. If you can find somebody

> ready to spend $500,000 to do these studies, trust me, Signet would

> jump at the

> opportunity.

>

> If there's a paid acadamia person that has the time and interest,

> we'd love

> to have that person do research, but every one we've talked to

> insists on

> $$$$ that aren't available. If somebody wants to do research that

> doesn't

> already work 60 hours a week on everything else, we'd strongly

> support that

> person's research as well, just not monetarily! (At least, not

> yet . .)

>

> But, if you look at the literature on non-IgE immune reactions,

> cytokine

> research and then see clinical results, it's enough for most of us

> to realize

> that it's more than testimonial. There's a huge body of literature

> that

> shows that mediators are elevated during exacerbation of inflammatory

> conditions such as IBS, arthritis and such - and it makes perfect,

> scientific

> sense why we're seeing the results we see, when we know we have a

> test that

> measures the end-point of all non-IgE immune reactions.

>

> Also, ALL we're really doing is what many RDs have done for years. I

> don't

> know if the current NCM has an " Allergy Elimination Diet " in it or

> not -

> one of my old NCM's did. It's been " standard practice " for many

> years. LEAP

> is JUST an elimination diet. True, it's based on that individuals

> blood

> response to antigens - which just makes it more like driving cross-

> country

> with a Garmin GPS instead of " I'll point the car west and hope I end

> up in San

> Francisco. " Both should get you where you're going, but one gets you

> there more efficiently/effectively. To us, that's the difference

> between a

> standard elimination diet and the MRT based elimination diet.

>

>

> In a message dated 6/20/2011 4:05:22 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

> rd-usa writes:

>

> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Ortiz <_nrord1@..._

> (mailto:nrord1@...) > wrote:

>

> > Full liquid is still useful with speech pathologists. It can also be

> > interpreted in many ways - full liquid thicken - honey, nectar

> etc. I

> think

> > it is the inappropriate use that should be looked at, not some

> real uses

> > for

> > it.

> >

> > Interesting people are upset with Pam but not for LEAP. When are

> real

> > studies going to be done - not saying it doesn't work but maybe it

> could

> be

> > EBM if the LEAP company and therapists would do some studies and

> have it

> > published. Just a thought...I would love to recommend it but I do

> want

> some

> > data first, not testimonials.

> >

>

>

> Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

> Director of Medical Nutrition

> Signet Diagnostic Corp.

> Telecommuting Nationwide

> (Mountain Time)

> Fax:

> DineRight4@...

>

> Certified LEAP Therapist and specialist in food sensitivity for IBS,

> migraine, fibromyalgia and multiple inflammatory conditions. Co-

> author of the

> Certified LEAP Therapist (CLT) Training Course.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jan,

While you continue to insist that some academic, researcher who has no other

time demands to the research for you, I can safely say " That ain't going to

happen " . RDs in academia have so many demands on their time that it would be

virtually impossible to expect them to do what you should be doing.

As I've mentioned many, many times, those providing " non evidence-based " therapy

need to take the initiative to do the small, very affordable studies that can be

used to build the track record you need to qualify for the larger grants. Why,

over and over on this list LEAP RDs say that they have " cured " various health

conditions. Earlier today, said that his patients don't even come back,

they're feeling so much better after one or two visits that further work isn't

needed. Here's what you do; have Signet develop an IRB or contract with a local

university to do that. Then you have someone to help you with the informed

consent that you need to have from patients/clients in order to utilize

information in a case series. Have that published. At that point you have enough

to get a small grant. Once that's published, you can then start to qualify for

bigger grants.

Believe it or not, RDs in academic settings also work 60+ hours per week. It's

interesting that the folks on this list are so worried about having feelings

hurt but then go on to make unfounded assumptions about how other hard-working

RDs spend their time. If your work is important to you and you think you have

stumbled upon something that is life-altering and will improve the lives of

untold thousands of people, it would behoove you to take steps to validate your

work. After all, you would demand no less from say, a researcher who develops a

magic bullet that achieves the same results that you achieve, albeit without a

change in diet.

Evidence used in EBM does not need to be from the large multi-center trials.

Again, familiarize yourself with what EBM is and is not. It is not sufficient to

quote a former ADA President (who I respect greatly). That quote is what we

would call a sound bite. Yes, clinician expertise plays into the equation, but

it is not enough for others to use to treat their patients. When you get good

results (whatever they may be) you can't extrapolate to other providers and

settings.

What is the credentialing organization or body for this CLT credential?

Pam Charney, PhD, RD

Author, Consultant

pcharney@...

" Lead, follow, or get out of the way! "

>

>

>

> > Hi ,

> >

> > Actually, trained CLTs DO study the " research " behind LEAP -it's

> > just not

> > strong enough yet for those that insist on DBPC clinical trials,

> > which, for

> > a small company, are prohibitively expensive. If you can find somebody

> > ready to spend $500,000 to do these studies, trust me, Signet would

> > jump at the

> > opportunity.

> >

> > If there's a paid acadamia person that has the time and interest,

> > we'd love

> > to have that person do research, but every one we've talked to

> > insists on

> > $$$$ that aren't available. If somebody wants to do research that

> > doesn't

> > already work 60 hours a week on everything else, we'd strongly

> > support that

> > person's research as well, just not monetarily! (At least, not

> > yet . .)

> >

> > But, if you look at the literature on non-IgE immune reactions,

> > cytokine

> > research and then see clinical results, it's enough for most of us

> > to realize

> > that it's more than testimonial. There's a huge body of literature

> > that

> > shows that mediators are elevated during exacerbation of inflammatory

> > conditions such as IBS, arthritis and such - and it makes perfect,

> > scientific

> > sense why we're seeing the results we see, when we know we have a

> > test that

> > measures the end-point of all non-IgE immune reactions.

> >

> > Also, ALL we're really doing is what many RDs have done for years. I

> > don't

> > know if the current NCM has an " Allergy Elimination Diet " in it or

> > not -

> > one of my old NCM's did. It's been " standard practice " for many

> > years. LEAP

> > is JUST an elimination diet. True, it's based on that individuals

> > blood

> > response to antigens - which just makes it more like driving cross-

> > country

> > with a Garmin GPS instead of " I'll point the car west and hope I end

> > up in San

> > Francisco. " Both should get you where you're going, but one gets you

> > there more efficiently/effectively. To us, that's the difference

> > between a

> > standard elimination diet and the MRT based elimination diet.

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 6/20/2011 4:05:22 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

> > rd-usa writes:

> >

> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Ortiz <_nrord1@..._

> > (mailto:nrord1@...) > wrote:

> >

> > > Full liquid is still useful with speech pathologists. It can also be

> > > interpreted in many ways - full liquid thicken - honey, nectar

> > etc. I

> > think

> > > it is the inappropriate use that should be looked at, not some

> > real uses

> > > for

> > > it.

> > >

> > > Interesting people are upset with Pam but not for LEAP. When are

> > real

> > > studies going to be done - not saying it doesn't work but maybe it

> > could

> > be

> > > EBM if the LEAP company and therapists would do some studies and

> > have it

> > > published. Just a thought...I would love to recommend it but I do

> > want

> > some

> > > data first, not testimonials.

> > >

> >

> >

> > Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

> > Director of Medical Nutrition

> > Signet Diagnostic Corp.

> > Telecommuting Nationwide

> > (Mountain Time)

> > Fax:

> > DineRight4@...

> >

> > Certified LEAP Therapist and specialist in food sensitivity for IBS,

> > migraine, fibromyalgia and multiple inflammatory conditions. Co-

> > author of the

> > Certified LEAP Therapist (CLT) Training Course.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I'm coming in on the end of this discussion but I can say that Michal Hogan has

been collecting some really nice data with LEAP that she is going to be

presenting in a webinar for me with regards to its relevance in PCOS.

I'm opening the inCYST Institute for Hormone Research this coming Thursday in

Santa . The very mission we've identified is to raise money that will be

used to fund studies that are hard to get funded.

I got tired of these kinds of debates and excuses. Anyone who is interested in

supporting us, please join our Facebook fan page, inCYST Institute for Hormone

Health. We'll be having several fundraisers by the end of the year. And our

new eMarket I just described in an earlier post is another one of our revenue

streams.

We won't be all things to all people but we've already identified some great

studies we can do to help elevate our credibility and hopefully end some of

these debates.

Monika M. Woolsey, MS, RD

www.incyst.com

@incyst

> > >

> > > > Full liquid is still useful with speech pathologists. It can also be

> > > > interpreted in many ways - full liquid thicken - honey, nectar

> > > etc. I

> > > think

> > > > it is the inappropriate use that should be looked at, not some

> > > real uses

> > > > for

> > > > it.

> > > >

> > > > Interesting people are upset with Pam but not for LEAP. When are

> > > real

> > > > studies going to be done - not saying it doesn't work but maybe it

> > > could

> > > be

> > > > EBM if the LEAP company and therapists would do some studies and

> > > have it

> > > > published. Just a thought...I would love to recommend it but I do

> > > want

> > > some

> > > > data first, not testimonials.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

> > > Director of Medical Nutrition

> > > Signet Diagnostic Corp.

> > > Telecommuting Nationwide

> > > (Mountain Time)

> > > Fax:

> > > DineRight4@...

> > >

> > > Certified LEAP Therapist and specialist in food sensitivity for IBS,

> > > migraine, fibromyalgia and multiple inflammatory conditions. Co-

> > > author of the

> > > Certified LEAP Therapist (CLT) Training Course.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Pam, funny! It's YOU who is, making " unfounded assumptions about how other

hard-working RDs spend their time. " Jan already shared some of the " small, very

affordable studies " that you recommend. You jumped to the conclusion that I only

had a couple of contacts with the patients I mentioned. The fact was, I was

talking about a six month follow up AFTER conclusion of therapy that is done in

order for LEAP " to build the track record " . They're going through the process,

Pam. It takes a long time without a big chunk of money. No one wants to do the

research for someone else's company for free.

W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT

Long Term Care Consulting

Montana State Hospital

Montana Developmental Center

Certified LEAP Therapist

Owner, InfoSites

www.elk-hunting-tips.net

www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com

Re: LEAP Reply to (reply 3)

Jan,

While you continue to insist that some academic, researcher who has no other

time demands to the research for you, I can safely say " That ain't going to

happen " . RDs in academia have so many demands on their time that it would be

virtually impossible to expect them to do what you should be doing.

As I've mentioned many, many times, those providing " non evidence-based " therapy

need to take the initiative to do the small, very affordable studies that can be

used to build the track record you need to qualify for the larger grants. Why,

over and over on this list LEAP RDs say that they have " cured " various health

conditions. Earlier today, said that his patients don't even come back,

they're feeling so much better after one or two visits that further work isn't

needed. Here's what you do; have Signet develop an IRB or contract with a local

university to do that. Then you have someone to help you with the informed

consent that you need to have from patients/clients in order to utilize

information in a case series. Have that published. At that point you have enough

to get a small grant. Once that's published, you can then start to qualify for

bigger grants.

Believe it or not, RDs in academic settings also work 60+ hours per week. It's

interesting that the folks on this list are so worried about having feelings

hurt but then go on to make unfounded assumptions about how other hard-working

RDs spend their time. If your work is important to you and you think you have

stumbled upon something that is life-altering and will improve the lives of

untold thousands of people, it would behoove you to take steps to validate your

work. After all, you would demand no less from say, a researcher who develops a

magic bullet that achieves the same results that you achieve, albeit without a

change in diet.

Evidence used in EBM does not need to be from the large multi-center trials.

Again, familiarize yourself with what EBM is and is not. It is not sufficient to

quote a former ADA President (who I respect greatly). That quote is what we

would call a sound bite. Yes, clinician expertise plays into the equation, but

it is not enough for others to use to treat their patients. When you get good

results (whatever they may be) you can't extrapolate to other providers and

settings.

What is the credentialing organization or body for this CLT credential?

Pam Charney, PhD, RD

Author, Consultant

pcharney@...

" Lead, follow, or get out of the way! "

>

>

>

> > Hi ,

> >

> > Actually, trained CLTs DO study the " research " behind LEAP -it's

> > just not

> > strong enough yet for those that insist on DBPC clinical trials,

> > which, for

> > a small company, are prohibitively expensive. If you can find somebody

> > ready to spend $500,000 to do these studies, trust me, Signet would

> > jump at the

> > opportunity.

> >

> > If there's a paid acadamia person that has the time and interest,

> > we'd love

> > to have that person do research, but every one we've talked to

> > insists on

> > $$$$ that aren't available. If somebody wants to do research that

> > doesn't

> > already work 60 hours a week on everything else, we'd strongly

> > support that

> > person's research as well, just not monetarily! (At least, not

> > yet . .)

> >

> > But, if you look at the literature on non-IgE immune reactions,

> > cytokine

> > research and then see clinical results, it's enough for most of us

> > to realize

> > that it's more than testimonial. There's a huge body of literature

> > that

> > shows that mediators are elevated during exacerbation of inflammatory

> > conditions such as IBS, arthritis and such - and it makes perfect,

> > scientific

> > sense why we're seeing the results we see, when we know we have a

> > test that

> > measures the end-point of all non-IgE immune reactions.

> >

> > Also, ALL we're really doing is what many RDs have done for years. I

> > don't

> > know if the current NCM has an " Allergy Elimination Diet " in it or

> > not -

> > one of my old NCM's did. It's been " standard practice " for many

> > years. LEAP

> > is JUST an elimination diet. True, it's based on that individuals

> > blood

> > response to antigens - which just makes it more like driving cross-

> > country

> > with a Garmin GPS instead of " I'll point the car west and hope I end

> > up in San

> > Francisco. " Both should get you where you're going, but one gets you

> > there more efficiently/effectively. To us, that's the difference

> > between a

> > standard elimination diet and the MRT based elimination diet.

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 6/20/2011 4:05:22 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

> > rd-usa writes:

> >

> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Ortiz <_nrord1@..._

> > (mailto:nrord1@...) > wrote:

> >

> > > Full liquid is still useful with speech pathologists. It can also be

> > > interpreted in many ways - full liquid thicken - honey, nectar

> > etc. I

> > think

> > > it is the inappropriate use that should be looked at, not some

> > real uses

> > > for

> > > it.

> > >

> > > Interesting people are upset with Pam but not for LEAP. When are

> > real

> > > studies going to be done - not saying it doesn't work but maybe it

> > could

> > be

> > > EBM if the LEAP company and therapists would do some studies and

> > have it

> > > published. Just a thought...I would love to recommend it but I do

> > want

> > some

> > > data first, not testimonials.

> > >

> >

> >

> > Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

> > Director of Medical Nutrition

> > Signet Diagnostic Corp.

> > Telecommuting Nationwide

> > (Mountain Time)

> > Fax:

> > DineRight4@...

> >

> > Certified LEAP Therapist and specialist in food sensitivity for IBS,

> > migraine, fibromyalgia and multiple inflammatory conditions. Co-

> > author of the

> > Certified LEAP Therapist (CLT) Training Course.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

,

That's terrific that Jan has some small studies. I, for one, was not aware of

this. I am very interested in LEAP, and have considered taking the course. I

would really like to see the studies. How can I get them?

Robin RD

Hartford, CT

>>> " Rowell, " 6/22/2011 12:28 PM >>>

Pam, funny! It's YOU who is, making " unfounded assumptions about how other

hard-working RDs spend their time. " Jan already shared some of the " small, very

affordable studies " that you recommend. You jumped to the conclusion that I only

had a couple of contacts with the patients I mentioned. The fact was, I was

talking about a six month follow up AFTER conclusion of therapy that is done in

order for LEAP " to build the track record " . They're going through the process,

Pam. It takes a long time without a big chunk of money. No one wants to do the

research for someone else's company for free.

W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT

Long Term Care Consulting

Montana State Hospital

Montana Developmental Center

Certified LEAP Therapist

Owner, InfoSites

www.elk-hunting-tips.net

www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com

Re: LEAP Reply to (reply 3)

Jan,

While you continue to insist that some academic, researcher who has no other

time demands to the research for you, I can safely say " That ain't going to

happen " . RDs in academia have so many demands on their time that it would be

virtually impossible to expect them to do what you should be doing.

As I've mentioned many, many times, those providing " non evidence-based " therapy

need to take the initiative to do the small, very affordable studies that can be

used to build the track record you need to qualify for the larger grants. Why,

over and over on this list LEAP RDs say that they have " cured " various health

conditions. Earlier today, said that his patients don't even come back,

they're feeling so much better after one or two visits that further work isn't

needed. Here's what you do; have Signet develop an IRB or contract with a local

university to do that. Then you have someone to help you with the informed

consent that you need to have from patients/clients in order to utilize

information in a case series. Have that published. At that point you have enough

to get a small grant. Once that's published, you can then start to qualify for

bigger grants.

Believe it or not, RDs in academic settings also work 60+ hours per week. It's

interesting that the folks on this list are so worried about having feelings

hurt but then go on to make unfounded assumptions about how other hard-working

RDs spend their time. If your work is important to you and you think you have

stumbled upon something that is life-altering and will improve the lives of

untold thousands of people, it would behoove you to take steps to validate your

work. After all, you would demand no less from say, a researcher who develops a

magic bullet that achieves the same results that you achieve, albeit without a

change in diet.

Evidence used in EBM does not need to be from the large multi-center trials.

Again, familiarize yourself with what EBM is and is not. It is not sufficient to

quote a former ADA President (who I respect greatly). That quote is what we

would call a sound bite. Yes, clinician expertise plays into the equation, but

it is not enough for others to use to treat their patients. When you get good

results (whatever they may be) you can't extrapolate to other providers and

settings.

What is the credentialing organization or body for this CLT credential?

Pam Charney, PhD, RD

Author, Consultant

pcharney@...

" Lead, follow, or get out of the way! "

>

>

>

> > Hi ,

> >

> > Actually, trained CLTs DO study the " research " behind LEAP -it's

> > just not

> > strong enough yet for those that insist on DBPC clinical trials,

> > which, for

> > a small company, are prohibitively expensive. If you can find somebody

> > ready to spend $500,000 to do these studies, trust me, Signet would

> > jump at the

> > opportunity.

> >

> > If there's a paid acadamia person that has the time and interest,

> > we'd love

> > to have that person do research, but every one we've talked to

> > insists on

> > $$$$ that aren't available. If somebody wants to do research that

> > doesn't

> > already work 60 hours a week on everything else, we'd strongly

> > support that

> > person's research as well, just not monetarily! (At least, not

> > yet . .)

> >

> > But, if you look at the literature on non-IgE immune reactions,

> > cytokine

> > research and then see clinical results, it's enough for most of us

> > to realize

> > that it's more than testimonial. There's a huge body of literature

> > that

> > shows that mediators are elevated during exacerbation of inflammatory

> > conditions such as IBS, arthritis and such - and it makes perfect,

> > scientific

> > sense why we're seeing the results we see, when we know we have a

> > test that

> > measures the end-point of all non-IgE immune reactions.

> >

> > Also, ALL we're really doing is what many RDs have done for years. I

> > don't

> > know if the current NCM has an " Allergy Elimination Diet " in it or

> > not -

> > one of my old NCM's did. It's been " standard practice " for many

> > years. LEAP

> > is JUST an elimination diet. True, it's based on that individuals

> > blood

> > response to antigens - which just makes it more like driving cross-

> > country

> > with a Garmin GPS instead of " I'll point the car west and hope I end

> > up in San

> > Francisco. " Both should get you where you're going, but one gets you

> > there more efficiently/effectively. To us, that's the difference

> > between a

> > standard elimination diet and the MRT based elimination diet.

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 6/20/2011 4:05:22 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

> > rd-usa writes:

> >

> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Ortiz <_nrord1@..._

> > (mailto:nrord1@...) > wrote:

> >

> > > Full liquid is still useful with speech pathologists. It can also be

> > > interpreted in many ways - full liquid thicken - honey, nectar

> > etc. I

> > think

> > > it is the inappropriate use that should be looked at, not some

> > real uses

> > > for

> > > it.

> > >

> > > Interesting people are upset with Pam but not for LEAP. When are

> > real

> > > studies going to be done - not saying it doesn't work but maybe it

> > could

> > be

> > > EBM if the LEAP company and therapists would do some studies and

> > have it

> > > published. Just a thought...I would love to recommend it but I do

> > want

> > some

> > > data first, not testimonials.

> > >

> >

> >

> > Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

> > Director of Medical Nutrition

> > Signet Diagnostic Corp.

> > Telecommuting Nationwide

> > (Mountain Time)

> > Fax:

> > DineRight4@...

> >

> > Certified LEAP Therapist and specialist in food sensitivity for IBS,

> > migraine, fibromyalgia and multiple inflammatory conditions. Co-

> > author of the

> > Certified LEAP Therapist (CLT) Training Course.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I am surprised that there are studies - but they can not be just called

" clinical studies " . (Look at all the scams with dietary supplements and

products and all they list is " testimonials " and " clinical studies " .) I

agree with Pam, take the small steps. It really needs to be done by an

unbiased researcher or reviewed by an unbiased researcher if you have done

it. The DASH diet for one has been validated in peer reviewed studies but

continues to be studied.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Robin Rhoades wrote:

> **

>

>

> ,

> That's terrific that Jan has some small studies. I, for one, was not aware

> of this. I am very interested in LEAP, and have considered taking the

> course. I would really like to see the studies. How can I get them?

>

> Robin RD

> Hartford, CT

>

> >>> " Rowell, " 6/22/2011 12:28 PM >>>

>

> Pam, funny! It's YOU who is, making " unfounded assumptions about how other

> hard-working RDs spend their time. " Jan already shared some of the " small,

> very affordable studies " that you recommend. You jumped to the conclusion

> that I only had a couple of contacts with the patients I mentioned. The fact

> was, I was talking about a six month follow up AFTER conclusion of therapy

> that is done in order for LEAP " to build the track record " . They're going

> through the process, Pam. It takes a long time without a big chunk of money.

> No one wants to do the research for someone else's company for free.

>

> W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT

> Long Term Care Consulting

> Montana State Hospital

> Montana Developmental Center

> Certified LEAP Therapist

> Owner, InfoSites

> www.elk-hunting-tips.net

> www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com

>

> Re: LEAP Reply to (reply 3)

>

> Jan,

>

> While you continue to insist that some academic, researcher who has no

> other time demands to the research for you, I can safely say " That ain't

> going to happen " . RDs in academia have so many demands on their time that it

> would be virtually impossible to expect them to do what you should be doing.

>

>

> As I've mentioned many, many times, those providing " non evidence-based "

> therapy need to take the initiative to do the small, very affordable studies

> that can be used to build the track record you need to qualify for the

> larger grants. Why, over and over on this list LEAP RDs say that they have

> " cured " various health conditions. Earlier today, said that his

> patients don't even come back, they're feeling so much better after one or

> two visits that further work isn't needed. Here's what you do; have Signet

> develop an IRB or contract with a local university to do that. Then you have

> someone to help you with the informed consent that you need to have from

> patients/clients in order to utilize information in a case series. Have that

> published. At that point you have enough to get a small grant. Once that's

> published, you can then start to qualify for bigger grants.

>

> Believe it or not, RDs in academic settings also work 60+ hours per week.

> It's interesting that the folks on this list are so worried about having

> feelings hurt but then go on to make unfounded assumptions about how other

> hard-working RDs spend their time. If your work is important to you and you

> think you have stumbled upon something that is life-altering and will

> improve the lives of untold thousands of people, it would behoove you to

> take steps to validate your work. After all, you would demand no less from

> say, a researcher who develops a magic bullet that achieves the same results

> that you achieve, albeit without a change in diet.

>

> Evidence used in EBM does not need to be from the large multi-center

> trials. Again, familiarize yourself with what EBM is and is not. It is not

> sufficient to quote a former ADA President (who I respect greatly). That

> quote is what we would call a sound bite. Yes, clinician expertise plays

> into the equation, but it is not enough for others to use to treat their

> patients. When you get good results (whatever they may be) you can't

> extrapolate to other providers and settings.

>

> What is the credentialing organization or body for this CLT credential?

>

> Pam Charney, PhD, RD

> Author, Consultant

> pcharney@...

>

> " Lead, follow, or get out of the way! "

>

> >

> >

> >

> > > Hi ,

> > >

> > > Actually, trained CLTs DO study the " research " behind LEAP -it's

> > > just not

> > > strong enough yet for those that insist on DBPC clinical trials,

> > > which, for

> > > a small company, are prohibitively expensive. If you can find somebody

> > > ready to spend $500,000 to do these studies, trust me, Signet would

> > > jump at the

> > > opportunity.

> > >

> > > If there's a paid acadamia person that has the time and interest,

> > > we'd love

> > > to have that person do research, but every one we've talked to

> > > insists on

> > > $$$$ that aren't available. If somebody wants to do research that

> > > doesn't

> > > already work 60 hours a week on everything else, we'd strongly

> > > support that

> > > person's research as well, just not monetarily! (At least, not

> > > yet . .)

> > >

> > > But, if you look at the literature on non-IgE immune reactions,

> > > cytokine

> > > research and then see clinical results, it's enough for most of us

> > > to realize

> > > that it's more than testimonial. There's a huge body of literature

> > > that

> > > shows that mediators are elevated during exacerbation of inflammatory

> > > conditions such as IBS, arthritis and such - and it makes perfect,

> > > scientific

> > > sense why we're seeing the results we see, when we know we have a

> > > test that

> > > measures the end-point of all non-IgE immune reactions.

> > >

> > > Also, ALL we're really doing is what many RDs have done for years. I

> > > don't

> > > know if the current NCM has an " Allergy Elimination Diet " in it or

> > > not -

> > > one of my old NCM's did. It's been " standard practice " for many

> > > years. LEAP

> > > is JUST an elimination diet. True, it's based on that individuals

> > > blood

> > > response to antigens - which just makes it more like driving cross-

> > > country

> > > with a Garmin GPS instead of " I'll point the car west and hope I end

> > > up in San

> > > Francisco. " Both should get you where you're going, but one gets you

> > > there more efficiently/effectively. To us, that's the difference

> > > between a

> > > standard elimination diet and the MRT based elimination diet.

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 6/20/2011 4:05:22 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

> > > rd-usa writes:

> > >

> > > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Ortiz <_nrord1@..._

> > > (mailto:nrord1@...) > wrote:

> > >

> > > > Full liquid is still useful with speech pathologists. It can also be

> > > > interpreted in many ways - full liquid thicken - honey, nectar

> > > etc. I

> > > think

> > > > it is the inappropriate use that should be looked at, not some

> > > real uses

> > > > for

> > > > it.

> > > >

> > > > Interesting people are upset with Pam but not for LEAP. When are

> > > real

> > > > studies going to be done - not saying it doesn't work but maybe it

> > > could

> > > be

> > > > EBM if the LEAP company and therapists would do some studies and

> > > have it

> > > > published. Just a thought...I would love to recommend it but I do

> > > want

> > > some

> > > > data first, not testimonials.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

> > > Director of Medical Nutrition

> > > Signet Diagnostic Corp.

> > > Telecommuting Nationwide

> > > (Mountain Time)

> > > Fax:

> > > DineRight4@...

> > >

> > > Certified LEAP Therapist and specialist in food sensitivity for IBS,

> > > migraine, fibromyalgia and multiple inflammatory conditions. Co-

> > > author of the

> > > Certified LEAP Therapist (CLT) Training Course.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I have been asked if I would share a research poster session that I presented at

the 2010 Florida Dietetic Association, so I will attach the abstract and poster

here as an example of what one private practitioner is doing to document the

effects of nutrition therapy based on the results of LEAP MRT (Mediator Release

Testing) and a patient-specific LEAP elimination diet and food reintroduction

protocol. This was just the preliminary analysis of my data for the first 30

days of LEAP therapy for patients who completed all surveys and included a

variety of relevant diagnoses. Nearly all had multiple diagnoses. But even with

just looking at the symptoms of the group as a whole, you can see the highly

statistically significant improvements in a wide range of symptoms.

There is much more that I can do with the data to analyze therapeutic responses

by diagnoses and also to analyze the rest of the longer term data (60 and 90

days have been entered into the spreadsheets for symptoms as well as the SF-36

Quality of Life surveys). Visually, looking at totals, my impression is that

there were substantial continued improvements, but I haven't had the stats run

on it yet. I have also entered each person's reactive foods and chemicals, so I

can also see if there is any correlation of reactive foods to diagnoses.  (It

will be interesting, since it has been common practice to hand out lists of

foods to eat and to avoid, based on diagnoses that have been derived

empirically.)  Observation tells me that I have had no two patients with the

same condition have the same set of reactive foods and chemicals. A correlation

of the data will tell me specifically.

However, I just entered ALL the data for patients who completed all the surveys

and were at least 50% compliant to the protocol regardless of outcome. An expert

in statics ran the analysis. Then I reported the results of the analysis. My

impression had been that my patients were getting " great results, " and there are

amazing case presentations, but instead of continuing to report impressions, I

wanted to see the overall numbers for myself. My impressions were valid and

backed up with data. It's great to have a protocol and formalized method of data

collection, which will make it possible for all of us to document what is

effective therapy and what is not. 

I realize that since I was the private practitioner and the researcher who

entered the data my study would not be considered unbiased. I would like to do

more data analysis, but as a private practitioner no one is paying me when I'm

not providing services. I'm just a curious person and have made a start. If a

company funds research, there is also the potential for bias, because what

company is going to continue to fund a researcher whose drug or product does not

show the desired results . But it is well known that government-funded research

is often manipulated in the analysis to show what the researcher wants to prove.

You can only trust the process as far as you can trust the integrity of the

researcher. I'm just after the truth -- however that falls.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++\

++++++++++++++++

Bethel, MS, RD, LD/N, CLT, CLT Mentor

Registered Dietitian specializing in chronic inflammatory conditions related to

food sensitivities, allergies, and intolerances*

1526 Nuremberg Boulevard, Punta Gorda, FL 33983-6015

Telephone: ; Mobile: ; E-mail: lbethelrd@...;

Local and distance services

* Irritable bowel, migraines, fibromyalgia, arthralgias, gas, reflux,

esophagitis, indigestion, celiac disease,

Crohn’s, colitis, sinusitis, psoriasis, eczema, autism spectrum

disorders/ADD/ADHD, and others

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++\

+++++++++++++++++

Re: LEAP Reply to (reply 3)

>

> Jan,

>

> While you continue to insist that some academic, researcher who has no

> other time demands to the research for you, I can safely say " That ain't

> going to happen " . RDs in academia have so many demands on their time that it

> would be virtually impossible to expect them to do what you should be doing.

>

>

> As I've mentioned many, many times, those providing " non evidence-based "

> therapy need to take the initiative to do the small, very affordable studies

> that can be used to build the track record you need to qualify for the

> larger grants. Why, over and over on this list LEAP RDs say that they have

> " cured " various health conditions. Earlier today, said that his

> patients don't even come back, they're feeling so much better after one or

> two visits that further work isn't needed. Here's what you do; have Signet

> develop an IRB or contract with a local university to do that. Then you have

> someone to help you with the informed consent that you need to have from

> patients/clients in order to utilize information in a case series. Have that

> published. At that point you have enough to get a small grant. Once that's

> published, you can then start to qualify for bigger grants.

>

> Believe it or not, RDs in academic settings also work 60+ hours per week.

> It's interesting that the folks on this list are so worried about having

> feelings hurt but then go on to make unfounded assumptions about how other

> hard-working RDs spend their time. If your work is important to you and you

> think you have stumbled upon something that is life-altering and will

> improve the lives of untold thousands of people, it would behoove you to

> take steps to validate your work. After all, you would demand no less from

> say, a researcher who develops a magic bullet that achieves the same results

> that you achieve, albeit without a change in diet.

>

> Evidence used in EBM does not need to be from the large multi-center

> trials. Again, familiarize yourself with what EBM is and is not. It is not

> sufficient to quote a former ADA President (who I respect greatly). That

> quote is what we would call a sound bite. Yes, clinician expertise plays

> into the equation, but it is not enough for others to use to treat their

> patients. When you get good results (whatever they may be) you can't

> extrapolate to other providers and settings.

>

> What is the credentialing organization or body for this CLT credential?

>

> Pam Charney, PhD, RD

> Author, Consultant

> pcharney@...

>

> " Lead, follow, or get out of the way! "

>

> >

> >

> >

> > > Hi ,

> > >

> > > Actually, trained CLTs DO study the " research " behind LEAP -it's

> > > just not

> > > strong enough yet for those that insist on DBPC clinical trials,

> > > which, for

> > > a small company, are prohibitively expensive. If you can find somebody

> > > ready to spend $500,000 to do these studies, trust me, Signet would

> > > jump at the

> > > opportunity.

> > >

> > > If there's a paid acadamia person that has the time and interest,

> > > we'd love

> > > to have that person do research, but every one we've talked to

> > > insists on

> > > $$$$ that aren't available. If somebody wants to do research that

> > > doesn't

> > > already work 60 hours a week on everything else, we'd strongly

> > > support that

> > > person's research as well, just not monetarily! (At least, not

> > > yet . .)

> > >

> > > But, if you look at the literature on non-IgE immune reactions,

> > > cytokine

> > > research and then see clinical results, it's enough for most of us

> > > to realize

> > > that it's more than testimonial. There's a huge body of literature

> > > that

> > > shows that mediators are elevated during exacerbation of inflammatory

> > > conditions such as IBS, arthritis and such - and it makes perfect,

> > > scientific

> > > sense why we're seeing the results we see, when we know we have a

> > > test that

> > > measures the end-point of all non-IgE immune reactions.

> > >

> > > Also, ALL we're really doing is what many RDs have done for years. I

> > > don't

> > > know if the current NCM has an " Allergy Elimination Diet " in it or

> > > not -

> > > one of my old NCM's did. It's been " standard practice " for many

> > > years. LEAP

> > > is JUST an elimination diet. True, it's based on that individuals

> > > blood

> > > response to antigens - which just makes it more like driving cross-

> > > country

> > > with a Garmin GPS instead of " I'll point the car west and hope I end

> > > up in San

> > > Francisco. " Both should get you where you're going, but one gets you

> > > there more efficiently/effectively. To us, that's the difference

> > > between a

> > > standard elimination diet and the MRT based elimination diet.

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 6/20/2011 4:05:22 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

> > > rd-usa writes:

> > >

> > > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Ortiz <_nrord1@..._

> > > (mailto:nrord1@...) > wrote:

> > >

> > > > Full liquid is still useful with speech pathologists. It can also be

> > > > interpreted in many ways - full liquid thicken - honey, nectar

> > > etc. I

> > > think

> > > > it is the inappropriate use that should be looked at, not some

> > > real uses

> > > > for

> > > > it.

> > > >

> > > > Interesting people are upset with Pam but not for LEAP. When are

> > > real

> > > > studies going to be done - not saying it doesn't work but maybe it

> > > could

> > > be

> > > > EBM if the LEAP company and therapists would do some studies and

> > > have it

> > > > published. Just a thought...I would love to recommend it but I do

> > > want

> > > some

> > > > data first, not testimonials.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

> > > Director of Medical Nutrition

> > > Signet Diagnostic Corp.

> > > Telecommuting Nationwide

> > > (Mountain Time)

> > > Fax:

> > > DineRight4@...

> > >

> > > Certified LEAP Therapist and specialist in food sensitivity for IBS,

> > > migraine, fibromyalgia and multiple inflammatory conditions. Co-

> > > author of the

> > > Certified LEAP Therapist (CLT) Training Course.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I have been asked if I would share a research poster session that I presented at

the 2010 Florida Dietetic Association, so I will attach the abstract and poster

here as an example of what one private practitioner is doing to document the

effects of nutrition therapy based on the results of LEAP MRT (Mediator Release

Testing) and a patient-specific LEAP elimination diet and food reintroduction

protocol. This was just the preliminary analysis of my data for the first 30

days of LEAP therapy for patients who completed all surveys and included a

variety of relevant diagnoses. Nearly all had multiple diagnoses. But even with

just looking at the symptoms of the group as a whole, you can see the highly

statistically significant improvements in a wide range of symptoms.

There is much more that I can do with the data to analyze therapeutic responses

by diagnoses and also to analyze the rest of the longer term data (60 and 90

days have been entered into the spreadsheets for symptoms as well as the SF-36

Quality of Life surveys). Visually, looking at totals, my impression is that

there were substantial continued improvements, but I haven't had the stats run

on it yet. I have also entered each person's reactive foods and chemicals, so I

can also see if there is any correlation of reactive foods to diagnoses.  (It

will be interesting, since it has been common practice to hand out lists of

foods to eat and to avoid, based on diagnoses that have been derived

empirically.)  Observation tells me that I have had no two patients with the

same condition have the same set of reactive foods and chemicals. A correlation

of the data will tell me specifically.

However, I just entered ALL the data for patients who completed all the surveys

and were at least 50% compliant to the protocol regardless of outcome. An expert

in statics ran the analysis. Then I reported the results of the analysis. My

impression had been that my patients were getting " great results, " and there are

amazing case presentations, but instead of continuing to report impressions, I

wanted to see the overall numbers for myself. My impressions were valid and

backed up with data. It's great to have a protocol and formalized method of data

collection, which will make it possible for all of us to document what is

effective therapy and what is not. 

I realize that since I was the private practitioner and the researcher who

entered the data my study would not be considered unbiased. I would like to do

more data analysis, but as a private practitioner no one is paying me when I'm

not providing services. I'm just a curious person and have made a start. If a

company funds research, there is also the potential for bias, because what

company is going to continue to fund a researcher whose drug or product does not

show the desired results . But it is well known that government-funded research

is often manipulated in the analysis to show what the researcher wants to prove.

You can only trust the process as far as you can trust the integrity of the

researcher. I'm just after the truth -- however that falls.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++\

++++++++++++++++

Bethel, MS, RD, LD/N, CLT, CLT Mentor

Registered Dietitian specializing in chronic inflammatory conditions related to

food sensitivities, allergies, and intolerances*

1526 Nuremberg Boulevard, Punta Gorda, FL 33983-6015

Telephone: ; Mobile: ; E-mail: lbethelrd@...;

Local and distance services

* Irritable bowel, migraines, fibromyalgia, arthralgias, gas, reflux,

esophagitis, indigestion, celiac disease,

Crohn’s, colitis, sinusitis, psoriasis, eczema, autism spectrum

disorders/ADD/ADHD, and others

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++\

+++++++++++++++++

Re: LEAP Reply to (reply 3)

>

> Jan,

>

> While you continue to insist that some academic, researcher who has no

> other time demands to the research for you, I can safely say " That ain't

> going to happen " . RDs in academia have so many demands on their time that it

> would be virtually impossible to expect them to do what you should be doing.

>

>

> As I've mentioned many, many times, those providing " non evidence-based "

> therapy need to take the initiative to do the small, very affordable studies

> that can be used to build the track record you need to qualify for the

> larger grants. Why, over and over on this list LEAP RDs say that they have

> " cured " various health conditions. Earlier today, said that his

> patients don't even come back, they're feeling so much better after one or

> two visits that further work isn't needed. Here's what you do; have Signet

> develop an IRB or contract with a local university to do that. Then you have

> someone to help you with the informed consent that you need to have from

> patients/clients in order to utilize information in a case series. Have that

> published. At that point you have enough to get a small grant. Once that's

> published, you can then start to qualify for bigger grants.

>

> Believe it or not, RDs in academic settings also work 60+ hours per week.

> It's interesting that the folks on this list are so worried about having

> feelings hurt but then go on to make unfounded assumptions about how other

> hard-working RDs spend their time. If your work is important to you and you

> think you have stumbled upon something that is life-altering and will

> improve the lives of untold thousands of people, it would behoove you to

> take steps to validate your work. After all, you would demand no less from

> say, a researcher who develops a magic bullet that achieves the same results

> that you achieve, albeit without a change in diet.

>

> Evidence used in EBM does not need to be from the large multi-center

> trials. Again, familiarize yourself with what EBM is and is not. It is not

> sufficient to quote a former ADA President (who I respect greatly). That

> quote is what we would call a sound bite. Yes, clinician expertise plays

> into the equation, but it is not enough for others to use to treat their

> patients. When you get good results (whatever they may be) you can't

> extrapolate to other providers and settings.

>

> What is the credentialing organization or body for this CLT credential?

>

> Pam Charney, PhD, RD

> Author, Consultant

> pcharney@...

>

> " Lead, follow, or get out of the way! "

>

> >

> >

> >

> > > Hi ,

> > >

> > > Actually, trained CLTs DO study the " research " behind LEAP -it's

> > > just not

> > > strong enough yet for those that insist on DBPC clinical trials,

> > > which, for

> > > a small company, are prohibitively expensive. If you can find somebody

> > > ready to spend $500,000 to do these studies, trust me, Signet would

> > > jump at the

> > > opportunity.

> > >

> > > If there's a paid acadamia person that has the time and interest,

> > > we'd love

> > > to have that person do research, but every one we've talked to

> > > insists on

> > > $$$$ that aren't available. If somebody wants to do research that

> > > doesn't

> > > already work 60 hours a week on everything else, we'd strongly

> > > support that

> > > person's research as well, just not monetarily! (At least, not

> > > yet . .)

> > >

> > > But, if you look at the literature on non-IgE immune reactions,

> > > cytokine

> > > research and then see clinical results, it's enough for most of us

> > > to realize

> > > that it's more than testimonial. There's a huge body of literature

> > > that

> > > shows that mediators are elevated during exacerbation of inflammatory

> > > conditions such as IBS, arthritis and such - and it makes perfect,

> > > scientific

> > > sense why we're seeing the results we see, when we know we have a

> > > test that

> > > measures the end-point of all non-IgE immune reactions.

> > >

> > > Also, ALL we're really doing is what many RDs have done for years. I

> > > don't

> > > know if the current NCM has an " Allergy Elimination Diet " in it or

> > > not -

> > > one of my old NCM's did. It's been " standard practice " for many

> > > years. LEAP

> > > is JUST an elimination diet. True, it's based on that individuals

> > > blood

> > > response to antigens - which just makes it more like driving cross-

> > > country

> > > with a Garmin GPS instead of " I'll point the car west and hope I end

> > > up in San

> > > Francisco. " Both should get you where you're going, but one gets you

> > > there more efficiently/effectively. To us, that's the difference

> > > between a

> > > standard elimination diet and the MRT based elimination diet.

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 6/20/2011 4:05:22 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

> > > rd-usa writes:

> > >

> > > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Ortiz <_nrord1@..._

> > > (mailto:nrord1@...) > wrote:

> > >

> > > > Full liquid is still useful with speech pathologists. It can also be

> > > > interpreted in many ways - full liquid thicken - honey, nectar

> > > etc. I

> > > think

> > > > it is the inappropriate use that should be looked at, not some

> > > real uses

> > > > for

> > > > it.

> > > >

> > > > Interesting people are upset with Pam but not for LEAP. When are

> > > real

> > > > studies going to be done - not saying it doesn't work but maybe it

> > > could

> > > be

> > > > EBM if the LEAP company and therapists would do some studies and

> > > have it

> > > > published. Just a thought...I would love to recommend it but I do

> > > want

> > > some

> > > > data first, not testimonials.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

> > > Director of Medical Nutrition

> > > Signet Diagnostic Corp.

> > > Telecommuting Nationwide

> > > (Mountain Time)

> > > Fax:

> > > DineRight4@...

> > >

> > > Certified LEAP Therapist and specialist in food sensitivity for IBS,

> > > migraine, fibromyalgia and multiple inflammatory conditions. Co-

> > > author of the

> > > Certified LEAP Therapist (CLT) Training Course.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

there are clinical studies, some of them were published on NEJM about

medical drugs, anti-hypertensive drugs and some anti-diabetics that seamed very

well randomized large studies and they were totally made up. That brought NEJM

rating down by alot of points. So the scams in research are not only with

dietary supplements.

About LEAP I don't know much about it, can anyone post bibliographic references

about it?

And people shouldn't discard personal experience so fast. Before the large

clinical trials information was based on personal experience and observation.

>

> I am surprised that there are studies - but they can not be just called

> " clinical studies " . (Look at all the scams with dietary supplements and

> products and all they list is " testimonials " and " clinical studies " .) I

> agree with Pam, take the small steps. It really needs to be done by an

> unbiased researcher or reviewed by an unbiased researcher if you have done

> it. The DASH diet for one has been validated in peer reviewed studies but

> continues to be studied.

>

[Guest guest]

there are clinical studies, some of them were published on NEJM about

medical drugs, anti-hypertensive drugs and some anti-diabetics that seamed very

well randomized large studies and they were totally made up. That brought NEJM

rating down by alot of points. So the scams in research are not only with

dietary supplements.

About LEAP I don't know much about it, can anyone post bibliographic references

about it?

And people shouldn't discard personal experience so fast. Before the large

clinical trials information was based on personal experience and observation.

>

> I am surprised that there are studies - but they can not be just called

> " clinical studies " . (Look at all the scams with dietary supplements and

> products and all they list is " testimonials " and " clinical studies " .) I

> agree with Pam, take the small steps. It really needs to be done by an

> unbiased researcher or reviewed by an unbiased researcher if you have done

> it. The DASH diet for one has been validated in peer reviewed studies but

> continues to be studied.

>

[Guest guest]

I am questioning why I'm jumping into the fray, but here goes...

I did LEAP years ago, and got quite a few false positives and false negatives.

When I eliminated my reds and yellows, I saw little to no response. I found

that ELISA targeted my food sensitivities more accurately, overall, and yet LEAP

did point to a squash sensitivity I hadn't been able to nail down before that.

Now, I'm just one person, and I don't for a second feel like that means that

LEAP does, or doesn't work--one person does not reflect the accuracy of a test.

As I've heard positive stories from others I've thought of doing the

certification, but have not thus far because I feel like either I need to be

able to vouch for the test either from observing myself or others, or point to

studies. I do certainly understand the passion of people who have seen

improvements themselves and in their clients.And while I've appreciated the

enthusiasm I've seen in LEAP therapists, I've really been put off by the

insistence it's the only test to use, since no one has pointed to anything

concrete in the way of studies until now and the attitude seems to be that

questioning is a problem, when it should be what all of us encourage. My clients

question me--that's their job! I expect the same openness of questions from

companies I work with. Asking interested, pointed questions is not

naysaying--it's using your brain.

The ideas behind LEAP truly make sense to me, and I look forward to seeing where

the research goes. It takes guts to be a pioneer, and I salute you!

Food for thought.

Best,

Cheryl , MPH, RD, LD

Whole Health

3345 Duke Street, andria, VA 22314

9675-A Main Street, Fairfax, VA 22031

www.harriswholehealth.com

fax:

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> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am surprised that there are studies - but they can not be just

> > > called

> > > > > > " clinical studies " . (Look at all the scams with dietary supplements

> > > and

> > > > > > products and all they list is " testimonials " and " clinical

> > > studies " .) I

> > > > > > agree with Pam, take the small steps. It really needs to be done by

> > > an

> > > > > > unbiased researcher or reviewed by an unbiased researcher if you

> > have

> > > > > done

> > > > > > it. The DASH diet for one has been validated in peer reviewed

> > studies

> > > but

> > > > > > continues to be studied.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Actually, Jan was my guide when I did the protocol, so I do trust that I

implemented it correctly. I have no doubt that she understood, even if I didn't!

Again, interesting that the assumption is " user error "

Cheryl

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am surprised that there are studies - but they can not be just

> > > > called

> > > > > > > " clinical studies " . (Look at all the scams with dietary

supplements

> > > > and

> > > > > > > products and all they list is " testimonials " and " clinical

> > > > studies " .) I

> > > > > > > agree with Pam, take the small steps. It really needs to be done

by

> > > > an

> > > > > > > unbiased researcher or reviewed by an unbiased researcher if you

> > > have

> > > > > > done

> > > > > > > it. The DASH diet for one has been validated in peer reviewed

> > > studies

> > > > but

> > > > > > > continues to be studied.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Actually, Jan was my guide when I did the protocol, so I do trust that I

implemented it correctly. I have no doubt that she understood, even if I didn't!

Again, interesting that the assumption is " user error "

Cheryl

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am surprised that there are studies - but they can not be just

> > > > called

> > > > > > > " clinical studies " . (Look at all the scams with dietary

supplements

> > > > and

> > > > > > > products and all they list is " testimonials " and " clinical

> > > > studies " .) I

> > > > > > > agree with Pam, take the small steps. It really needs to be done

by

> > > > an

> > > > > > > unbiased researcher or reviewed by an unbiased researcher if you

> > > have

> > > > > > done

> > > > > > > it. The DASH diet for one has been validated in peer reviewed

> > > studies

> > > > but

> > > > > > > continues to be studied.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Actually, Jan was my guide when I did the protocol, so I do trust that I

implemented it correctly. I have no doubt that she understood, even if I didn't!

Again, interesting that the assumption is " user error "

Cheryl

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am surprised that there are studies - but they can not be just

> > > > called

> > > > > > > " clinical studies " . (Look at all the scams with dietary

supplements

> > > > and

> > > > > > > products and all they list is " testimonials " and " clinical

> > > > studies " .) I

> > > > > > > agree with Pam, take the small steps. It really needs to be done

by

> > > > an

> > > > > > > unbiased researcher or reviewed by an unbiased researcher if you

> > > have

> > > > > > done

> > > > > > > it. The DASH diet for one has been validated in peer reviewed

> > > studies

> > > > but

> > > > > > > continues to be studied.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >