Guest guest Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 That's what I was wondering. The muscles pieces are smaller, so more connective tissue per serving? From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of sfreeworth@... Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 12:52 PM To: rd-usa Subject: Re: low residue diet Isn't it due to less connective (elastin) compared to beef products? More of it is digestable and less waste produced? This what I have always thought but have no source handy to back up my hunch Staci Freeworth MS RD LD CDE Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry low residue diet Does anyone know off the top of your head why chicken is higher " residue " in the gut than say, beef? W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT Montana State Hospital Long Term Care Consultant InfoSites: www.elk-hunting-tips.net<http://www.elk-hunting-tips.net> www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com<http://www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 That's what I was wondering. The muscles pieces are smaller, so more connective tissue per serving? From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of sfreeworth@... Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 12:52 PM To: rd-usa Subject: Re: low residue diet Isn't it due to less connective (elastin) compared to beef products? More of it is digestable and less waste produced? This what I have always thought but have no source handy to back up my hunch Staci Freeworth MS RD LD CDE Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry low residue diet Does anyone know off the top of your head why chicken is higher " residue " in the gut than say, beef? W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT Montana State Hospital Long Term Care Consultant InfoSites: www.elk-hunting-tips.net<http://www.elk-hunting-tips.net> www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com<http://www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Isn't it due to less connective (elastin) compared to beef products? More of it is digestable and less waste produced? This what I have always thought but have no source handy to back up my hunch Staci Freeworth MS RD LD CDE Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry low residue diet Does anyone know off the top of your head why chicken is higher " residue " in the gut than say, beef? W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT Montana State Hospital Long Term Care Consultant InfoSites: www.elk-hunting-tips.net<http://www.elk-hunting-tips.net> www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com<http://www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Isn't it due to less connective (elastin) compared to beef products? More of it is digestable and less waste produced? This what I have always thought but have no source handy to back up my hunch Staci Freeworth MS RD LD CDE Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry low residue diet Does anyone know off the top of your head why chicken is higher " residue " in the gut than say, beef? W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT Montana State Hospital Long Term Care Consultant InfoSites: www.elk-hunting-tips.net<http://www.elk-hunting-tips.net> www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com<http://www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 My theory: connective tissue gets thicker as an animal ages and works a muscle. Typically beef work muscles harder (they are bigger, have more resistance from gravity) than poultry, so not as much connective tissue forms on a chicken, etc. Also chickens typically are held in conditions that do not encourage physical activity so muscles stay tender. I hope this the correct line of thinking. Staci Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry low residue diet Does anyone know off the top of your head why chicken is higher " residue " in the gut than say, beef? W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT Montana State Hospital Long Term Care Consultant InfoSites: www.elk-hunting-tips.net<http://www.elk-hunting-tips.net> www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com<http://www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Well, chicken is listed on the " avoid " side for low residue, and not beef. From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of sfreeworth@... Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 1:10 PM To: rd-usa Subject: Re: low residue diet My theory: connective tissue gets thicker as an animal ages and works a muscle. Typically beef work muscles harder (they are bigger, have more resistance from gravity) than poultry, so not as much connective tissue forms on a chicken, etc. Also chickens typically are held in conditions that do not encourage physical activity so muscles stay tender. I hope this the correct line of thinking. Staci Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry low residue diet Does anyone know off the top of your head why chicken is higher " residue " in the gut than say, beef? W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT Montana State Hospital Long Term Care Consultant InfoSites: www.elk-hunting-tips.net<http://www.elk-hunting-tips.net> www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com<http://www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Well, chicken is listed on the " avoid " side for low residue, and not beef. From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of sfreeworth@... Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 1:10 PM To: rd-usa Subject: Re: low residue diet My theory: connective tissue gets thicker as an animal ages and works a muscle. Typically beef work muscles harder (they are bigger, have more resistance from gravity) than poultry, so not as much connective tissue forms on a chicken, etc. Also chickens typically are held in conditions that do not encourage physical activity so muscles stay tender. I hope this the correct line of thinking. Staci Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry low residue diet Does anyone know off the top of your head why chicken is higher " residue " in the gut than say, beef? W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT Montana State Hospital Long Term Care Consultant InfoSites: www.elk-hunting-tips.net<http://www.elk-hunting-tips.net> www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com<http://www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 I've never seen any handout that states chicken is higher residue than beef. In fact, if we're just talking about the muscle/flesh, I'd say it is reversed. HOWEVER, that being said, I always instruct meet " furthest away from the bone " to minimize ingestion of connective tissue, tendons, etc. I joke with folks/parents that they get the filet & tenderloin (i.e. the most expensive cuts). Most chicken meat is adjacent to bone so may have more of these offenders. Holly  ---------- Holly Lee Brewer, MS RD CDE Pediatric Dietitian, Diabetes Educator Medical Nutrition Therapist, Las Vegas, NV Maj Holly Brewer, USAFR BSC http://hollyinbalad.blogspot.com 301st MDS, NAS JRB Fort Worth (Carswell), TX Joint Base Balad, Iraq (Jan-Jul 2009) >To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa > >Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:39 AM >Subject: low residue diet > > > >Does anyone know off the top of your head why chicken is higher " residue " in the gut than say, beef? > > W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT >Montana State Hospital >Long Term Care Consultant >InfoSites: >www.elk-hunting-tips.net<http://www.elk-hunting-tips.net> >www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com<http://www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 The Iowa Dietetic Association Diet Manual lists poultry in the avoid column. Beef is not mentioned. From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of hl brewer Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 3:30 PM To: rd-usa Subject: Re: low residue diet I've never seen any handout that states chicken is higher residue than beef. In fact, if we're just talking about the muscle/flesh, I'd say it is reversed. HOWEVER, that being said, I always instruct meet " furthest away from the bone " to minimize ingestion of connective tissue, tendons, etc. I joke with folks/parents that they get the filet & tenderloin (i.e. the most expensive cuts). Most chicken meat is adjacent to bone so may have more of these offenders. Holly ---------- Holly Lee Brewer, MS RD CDE Pediatric Dietitian, Diabetes Educator Medical Nutrition Therapist, Las Vegas, NV Maj Holly Brewer, USAFR BSC http://hollyinbalad.blogspot.com 301st MDS, NAS JRB Fort Worth (Carswell), TX Joint Base Balad, Iraq (Jan-Jul 2009) From: " Rowell, " <drowell@...<mailto:drowell%40mt.gov>> >To: " rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> " <rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>> >Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:39 AM >Subject: low residue diet > > > >Does anyone know off the top of your head why chicken is higher " residue " in the gut than say, beef? > > W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT >Montana State Hospital >Long Term Care Consultant >InfoSites: >www.elk-hunting-tips.net<http://www.elk-hunting-tips.net> >www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com<http://www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 The Iowa Dietetic Association Diet Manual lists poultry in the avoid column. Beef is not mentioned. From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of hl brewer Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 3:30 PM To: rd-usa Subject: Re: low residue diet I've never seen any handout that states chicken is higher residue than beef. In fact, if we're just talking about the muscle/flesh, I'd say it is reversed. HOWEVER, that being said, I always instruct meet " furthest away from the bone " to minimize ingestion of connective tissue, tendons, etc. I joke with folks/parents that they get the filet & tenderloin (i.e. the most expensive cuts). Most chicken meat is adjacent to bone so may have more of these offenders. Holly ---------- Holly Lee Brewer, MS RD CDE Pediatric Dietitian, Diabetes Educator Medical Nutrition Therapist, Las Vegas, NV Maj Holly Brewer, USAFR BSC http://hollyinbalad.blogspot.com 301st MDS, NAS JRB Fort Worth (Carswell), TX Joint Base Balad, Iraq (Jan-Jul 2009) From: " Rowell, " <drowell@...<mailto:drowell%40mt.gov>> >To: " rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> " <rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>> >Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:39 AM >Subject: low residue diet > > > >Does anyone know off the top of your head why chicken is higher " residue " in the gut than say, beef? > > W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT >Montana State Hospital >Long Term Care Consultant >InfoSites: >www.elk-hunting-tips.net<http://www.elk-hunting-tips.net> >www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com<http://www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 I just checked: ADA Diet Manual does not provide any " low residue " client education or meal plans. In the Crohns & Colitis, Ostomy and in the Low Fiber sections " poultry " is included in the protein foods as allowed.  For a prospective diet controlled trial of " Specific Carbohydrate Diet " vs conventional " Low Fiber, Low Residue, Caffeine-free " treatment for Crohn's, I created handout materials for both diets and remember researching " low residue " extensively. Poultry is included. This was back in 2003 (UC surgical resident was unable to find patients interested in participating so the study was never done).  Holly ---------- Holly Lee Brewer, MS RD CDE Pediatric Dietitian, Diabetes Educator Medical Nutrition Therapist, Las Vegas, NV Maj Holly Brewer, USAFR BSC http://hollyinbalad.blogspot.com 301st MDS, NAS JRB Fort Worth (Carswell), TX Joint Base Balad, Iraq (Jan-Jul 2009) >To: " 'rd-usa ' " <rd-usa > >Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 2:34 PM >Subject: RE: low residue diet > > > >The Iowa Dietetic Association Diet Manual lists poultry in the avoid column. Beef is not mentioned. > >From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of hl brewer >Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 3:30 PM >To: rd-usa >Subject: Re: low residue diet > > > >I've never seen any handout that states chicken is higher residue than beef. In fact, if we're just talking about the muscle/flesh, I'd say it is reversed. >HOWEVER, that being said, I always instruct meet " furthest away from the bone " to minimize ingestion of connective tissue, tendons, etc. I joke with folks/parents that they get the filet & tenderloin (i.e. the most expensive cuts). Most chicken meat is adjacent to bone so may have more of these offenders. > >Holly > >---------- >Holly Lee Brewer, MS RD CDE >Pediatric Dietitian, Diabetes Educator >Medical Nutrition Therapist, Las Vegas, NV > >Maj Holly Brewer, USAFR BSC http://hollyinbalad.blogspot.com >301st MDS, NAS JRB Fort Worth (Carswell), TX >Joint Base Balad, Iraq (Jan-Jul 2009) > >From: " Rowell, " <drowell@...<mailto:drowell%40mt.gov>> >>To: " rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> " <rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>> >>Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:39 AM >>Subject: low residue diet >> >> >> >>Does anyone know off the top of your head why chicken is higher " residue " in the gut than say, beef? >> >> W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT >>Montana State Hospital >>Long Term Care Consultant >>InfoSites: >>www.elk-hunting-tips.net<http://www.elk-hunting-tips.net> >>www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com<http://www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com\ > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 I just checked: ADA Diet Manual does not provide any " low residue " client education or meal plans. In the Crohns & Colitis, Ostomy and in the Low Fiber sections " poultry " is included in the protein foods as allowed.  For a prospective diet controlled trial of " Specific Carbohydrate Diet " vs conventional " Low Fiber, Low Residue, Caffeine-free " treatment for Crohn's, I created handout materials for both diets and remember researching " low residue " extensively. Poultry is included. This was back in 2003 (UC surgical resident was unable to find patients interested in participating so the study was never done).  Holly ---------- Holly Lee Brewer, MS RD CDE Pediatric Dietitian, Diabetes Educator Medical Nutrition Therapist, Las Vegas, NV Maj Holly Brewer, USAFR BSC http://hollyinbalad.blogspot.com 301st MDS, NAS JRB Fort Worth (Carswell), TX Joint Base Balad, Iraq (Jan-Jul 2009) >To: " 'rd-usa ' " <rd-usa > >Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 2:34 PM >Subject: RE: low residue diet > > > >The Iowa Dietetic Association Diet Manual lists poultry in the avoid column. Beef is not mentioned. > >From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of hl brewer >Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 3:30 PM >To: rd-usa >Subject: Re: low residue diet > > > >I've never seen any handout that states chicken is higher residue than beef. In fact, if we're just talking about the muscle/flesh, I'd say it is reversed. >HOWEVER, that being said, I always instruct meet " furthest away from the bone " to minimize ingestion of connective tissue, tendons, etc. I joke with folks/parents that they get the filet & tenderloin (i.e. the most expensive cuts). Most chicken meat is adjacent to bone so may have more of these offenders. > >Holly > >---------- >Holly Lee Brewer, MS RD CDE >Pediatric Dietitian, Diabetes Educator >Medical Nutrition Therapist, Las Vegas, NV > >Maj Holly Brewer, USAFR BSC http://hollyinbalad.blogspot.com >301st MDS, NAS JRB Fort Worth (Carswell), TX >Joint Base Balad, Iraq (Jan-Jul 2009) > >From: " Rowell, " <drowell@...<mailto:drowell%40mt.gov>> >>To: " rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> " <rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>> >>Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:39 AM >>Subject: low residue diet >> >> >> >>Does anyone know off the top of your head why chicken is higher " residue " in the gut than say, beef? >> >> W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT >>Montana State Hospital >>Long Term Care Consultant >>InfoSites: >>www.elk-hunting-tips.net<http://www.elk-hunting-tips.net> >>www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com<http://www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com\ > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 I always questioned these diets, anyone has evidence about the " residue " content of the food mentioned in these plans? Allowed foods vs non allowed? The residue should be the food components that aren't digested, is there a cut off to determine if a food is low/medium/high in residue? Catia Borges, nutricionista URAP ACES Alto-Tâmega e Barroso ARS Norte > > Does anyone know off the top of your head why chicken is higher " residue " in the gut than say, beef? > > W. Rowell, RD, LN, CLT > Montana State Hospital > Long Term Care Consultant > InfoSites: > www.elk-hunting-tips.net<http://www.elk-hunting-tips.net> > www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com<http://www.benefits-of-massage-therapy.com> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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