Need to pick our communal brain

[Guest guest]

I am having problems with magnesium depletion not yet documented deficiency. I

don't have high copper levels. I am pre diabetic and fluffy. Supplementing with

60 mg a day is not enough so right now i am taking 160 mg to see if that is

enough verses the 200 mg i was taking before. When I am low I have hyper

irritability with husband running for cover, muscle weakness, and night leg

cramps. There is no reason I can explain this at this time. My doctor is at a

loss also. Any ideas or suggestions.

Jackie Chase RD

Dillingham AK

[Guest guest]

Have you been screened for celiac disease?   Do you take vitamin D?   Magnesium

is a co-factor for vitamin D so taking vitamin D can aggravate low magnesium

levels.....

Here are some other possible causes of hypomagnesemia.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000315.htm

 

and

 

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/767546-clinical#a0218

 

and

 

http://www.mgwater.com/hypomagnesemia.shtml

 

 

Subject: Need to pick our communal brain

To: rd-usa

Date: Sunday, July 10, 2011, 10:08 PM

I am having problems with magnesium depletion not yet documented deficiency. I

don't have high copper levels. I am pre diabetic and fluffy. Supplementing with

60 mg a day is not enough so right now i am taking 160 mg to see if that is

enough verses the 200 mg i was taking before. When I am low I have hyper

irritability with husband running for cover, muscle weakness, and night leg

cramps. There is no reason I can explain this at this time. My doctor is at a

loss also. Any ideas or suggestions.

Jackie Chase RD

Dillingham AK

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[Guest guest]

Have you been screened for celiac disease?   Do you take vitamin D?   Magnesium

is a co-factor for vitamin D so taking vitamin D can aggravate low magnesium

levels.....

Here are some other possible causes of hypomagnesemia.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000315.htm

 

and

 

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/767546-clinical#a0218

 

and

 

http://www.mgwater.com/hypomagnesemia.shtml

 

 

Subject: Need to pick our communal brain

To: rd-usa

Date: Sunday, July 10, 2011, 10:08 PM

I am having problems with magnesium depletion not yet documented deficiency. I

don't have high copper levels. I am pre diabetic and fluffy. Supplementing with

60 mg a day is not enough so right now i am taking 160 mg to see if that is

enough verses the 200 mg i was taking before. When I am low I have hyper

irritability with husband running for cover, muscle weakness, and night leg

cramps. There is no reason I can explain this at this time. My doctor is at a

loss also. Any ideas or suggestions.

Jackie Chase RD

Dillingham AK

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[Guest guest]

Hi Jackie-

Looking at K+, NA, CA, MG levels collectively can be helpful.

I was asking to see if they were all deranged.

You mentioned your were prediabetic. Do you know your A1C? Higher than normal Mg

is excreted in the urine when hyperglycemia is present.

Are you taking diuretics or ATBs or anti neoplastic meds? All can increase

urinary Mg losses.

Daily ETOH? same thing, higher than normal Mg losses.

How is your bone health? 50% of Mg is stored in bones, 49% is stored

intracellular organs/tissues.

Any issues w sm intestinal absorption?

Liberal intakes of a variety of fruits and veggies and a lower intake of

processed foods could be a powerful correction tool.

I am not so keen on the authors suggestion below to fortify processed foods with

more Mg, how about just eating less processed foods altogether?

What are your major dietary sources of magnesium? nuts, spinach, other leafy

greens, seeds, whole grains, fish?

What kind of Mg supplement? MgOx?

Best of luck finding better Mg balance

J Hum Hypertens. 2005 Dec;19 Suppl 3:S10-9.

Why and how to implement sodium, potassium, calcium, and magnesium changes in

food items and diets?

Karppanen H, Karppanen P, Mervaala E.

Source

Institute of Biomedicine, Pharmacology, University of Helsinki, Helsinki,

Finland.

Abstract

The present average sodium intakes, approximately 3000-4500 mg/day in various

industrialised populations, are very high, that is, 2-3-fold in comparison with

the current Dietary Reference Intake (DRI) of 1500 mg. The sodium intakes

markedly exceed even the level of 2500 mg, which has been recently given as the

maximum level of daily intake that is likely to pose no risk of adverse effects

on blood pressure or otherwise. By contrast, the present average potassium,

calcium, and magnesium intakes are remarkably lower than the recommended intake

levels (DRI). In USA, for example, the average intake of these mineral nutrients

is only 35-50% of the recommended intakes. There is convincing evidence, which

indicates that this imbalance, that is, the high intake of sodium on one hand

and the low intakes of potassium, calcium, and magnesium on the other hand,

produce and maintain elevated blood pressure in a big proportion of the

population. Decreased intakes of sodium alone, and increased intakes of

potassium, calcium, and magnesium each alone decrease elevated blood pressure. A

combination of all these factors, that is, decrease of sodium, and increase of

potassium, calcium, and magnesium intakes, which are characteristic of the

so-called Dietary Approaches to Stop Hypertension diets, has an excellent blood

pressure lowering effect. For the prevention and basic treatment of elevated

blood pressure, various methods to decrease the intake of sodium and to increase

the intakes of potassium, calcium, and magnesium should be comprehensively

applied in the communities. The so-called 'functional

food/nutraceutical/food-ceutical' approach, which corrects the mineral nutrient

composition of extensively used processed foods, is likely to be particularly

effective in producing immediate beneficial effects. The European Union and

various governments should promote the availability and use of such healthier

food compositions by tax reductions and other policies, which make the healthier

choices cheaper than the conventional ones. They should also introduce and

promote the use of tempting nutrition and health claims on the packages of

healthier food choices, which have an increased content of potassium, calcium,

and/or magnesium and a lowered content of sodium. Such pricing and claim methods

would help the consumers to choose healthier food alternatives, and make

composition improvements tempting also for the food industry.

Osowski MS, RD, LD

Registered Dietitian

Re: Need to pick our communal brain

Not a high K diet but certainly a low salt diet. Why would a low salt diet

mpact mag.

Jackie Chase RD

illingham AK

> Eating alot of high K+ foods ?

Eating a low salt diet?

Osowski MS, RD, LD

Registered Dietitian

Sent from my iPhone

> I am having problems with magnesium depletion not yet documented deficiency.

don't have high copper levels. I am pre diabetic and fluffy. Supplementing

ith 60 mg a day is not enough so right now i am taking 160 mg to see if that is

nough verses the 200 mg i was taking before. When I am low I have hyper

rritability with husband running for cover, muscle weakness, and night leg

ramps. There is no reason I can explain this at this time. My doctor is at a

oss also. Any ideas or suggestions.

>

> Jackie Chase RD

> Dillingham AK

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jackie-

Looking at K+, NA, CA, MG levels collectively can be helpful.

I was asking to see if they were all deranged.

You mentioned your were prediabetic. Do you know your A1C? Higher than normal Mg

is excreted in the urine when hyperglycemia is present.

Are you taking diuretics or ATBs or anti neoplastic meds? All can increase

urinary Mg losses.

Daily ETOH? same thing, higher than normal Mg losses.

How is your bone health? 50% of Mg is stored in bones, 49% is stored

intracellular organs/tissues.

Any issues w sm intestinal absorption?

Liberal intakes of a variety of fruits and veggies and a lower intake of

processed foods could be a powerful correction tool.

I am not so keen on the authors suggestion below to fortify processed foods with

more Mg, how about just eating less processed foods altogether?

What are your major dietary sources of magnesium? nuts, spinach, other leafy

greens, seeds, whole grains, fish?

What kind of Mg supplement? MgOx?

Best of luck finding better Mg balance

J Hum Hypertens. 2005 Dec;19 Suppl 3:S10-9.

Why and how to implement sodium, potassium, calcium, and magnesium changes in

food items and diets?

Karppanen H, Karppanen P, Mervaala E.

Source

Institute of Biomedicine, Pharmacology, University of Helsinki, Helsinki,

Finland.

Abstract

The present average sodium intakes, approximately 3000-4500 mg/day in various

industrialised populations, are very high, that is, 2-3-fold in comparison with

the current Dietary Reference Intake (DRI) of 1500 mg. The sodium intakes

markedly exceed even the level of 2500 mg, which has been recently given as the

maximum level of daily intake that is likely to pose no risk of adverse effects

on blood pressure or otherwise. By contrast, the present average potassium,

calcium, and magnesium intakes are remarkably lower than the recommended intake

levels (DRI). In USA, for example, the average intake of these mineral nutrients

is only 35-50% of the recommended intakes. There is convincing evidence, which

indicates that this imbalance, that is, the high intake of sodium on one hand

and the low intakes of potassium, calcium, and magnesium on the other hand,

produce and maintain elevated blood pressure in a big proportion of the

population. Decreased intakes of sodium alone, and increased intakes of

potassium, calcium, and magnesium each alone decrease elevated blood pressure. A

combination of all these factors, that is, decrease of sodium, and increase of

potassium, calcium, and magnesium intakes, which are characteristic of the

so-called Dietary Approaches to Stop Hypertension diets, has an excellent blood

pressure lowering effect. For the prevention and basic treatment of elevated

blood pressure, various methods to decrease the intake of sodium and to increase

the intakes of potassium, calcium, and magnesium should be comprehensively

applied in the communities. The so-called 'functional

food/nutraceutical/food-ceutical' approach, which corrects the mineral nutrient

composition of extensively used processed foods, is likely to be particularly

effective in producing immediate beneficial effects. The European Union and

various governments should promote the availability and use of such healthier

food compositions by tax reductions and other policies, which make the healthier

choices cheaper than the conventional ones. They should also introduce and

promote the use of tempting nutrition and health claims on the packages of

healthier food choices, which have an increased content of potassium, calcium,

and/or magnesium and a lowered content of sodium. Such pricing and claim methods

would help the consumers to choose healthier food alternatives, and make

composition improvements tempting also for the food industry.

Osowski MS, RD, LD

Registered Dietitian

Re: Need to pick our communal brain

Not a high K diet but certainly a low salt diet. Why would a low salt diet

mpact mag.

Jackie Chase RD

illingham AK

> Eating alot of high K+ foods ?

Eating a low salt diet?

Osowski MS, RD, LD

Registered Dietitian

Sent from my iPhone

> I am having problems with magnesium depletion not yet documented deficiency.

don't have high copper levels. I am pre diabetic and fluffy. Supplementing

ith 60 mg a day is not enough so right now i am taking 160 mg to see if that is

nough verses the 200 mg i was taking before. When I am low I have hyper

rritability with husband running for cover, muscle weakness, and night leg

ramps. There is no reason I can explain this at this time. My doctor is at a

oss also. Any ideas or suggestions.

>

> Jackie Chase RD

> Dillingham AK

>

>