RE: gluten and dairy intolerance: fad or legit?

[Guest guest]

Fad and legit...without a test you can't just pick what you might have or

not. That sounds typical for a chiro - bad info. My biggest worry is that

these people go on these diets (even when justified) and end up consuming a

nutrition-depleted diet. Need a reliable diagnosis and of course see a

dietitian well versed in these diets.

On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 12:21 AM, jenny gulbranson

wrote:

> **

>

>

>

> I have been hearing from more and more people in the general public,

> potential clients, etc., that they are gluten intolerant. I also have a

> chiropractor friend who raves about how bad gluten and dairy are (for

> everybody, not just those with sensitivities) but has yet to show me the

> research or data she refers to.

>

> I'm not sure I'm up to date on where all this is coming from. My questions

> are:

> 1. Are you hearing/seeing the same thing?

> 2. Is there any legitimate research or data that supports this, or is it

> just a new fad?

> 3. How are you replying and responding to these types of statements and

> assumptions and generalizations by your clients/patients?

>

> Thanks in advance!

> Guivens MS, RD, CDE

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Fad and legit...without a test you can't just pick what you might have or

not. That sounds typical for a chiro - bad info. My biggest worry is that

these people go on these diets (even when justified) and end up consuming a

nutrition-depleted diet. Need a reliable diagnosis and of course see a

dietitian well versed in these diets.

On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 12:21 AM, jenny gulbranson

wrote:

> **

>

>

>

> I have been hearing from more and more people in the general public,

> potential clients, etc., that they are gluten intolerant. I also have a

> chiropractor friend who raves about how bad gluten and dairy are (for

> everybody, not just those with sensitivities) but has yet to show me the

> research or data she refers to.

>

> I'm not sure I'm up to date on where all this is coming from. My questions

> are:

> 1. Are you hearing/seeing the same thing?

> 2. Is there any legitimate research or data that supports this, or is it

> just a new fad?

> 3. How are you replying and responding to these types of statements and

> assumptions and generalizations by your clients/patients?

>

> Thanks in advance!

> Guivens MS, RD, CDE

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Fad and legit...without a test you can't just pick what you might have or

not. That sounds typical for a chiro - bad info. My biggest worry is that

these people go on these diets (even when justified) and end up consuming a

nutrition-depleted diet. Need a reliable diagnosis and of course see a

dietitian well versed in these diets.

On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 12:21 AM, jenny gulbranson

wrote:

> **

>

>

>

> I have been hearing from more and more people in the general public,

> potential clients, etc., that they are gluten intolerant. I also have a

> chiropractor friend who raves about how bad gluten and dairy are (for

> everybody, not just those with sensitivities) but has yet to show me the

> research or data she refers to.

>

> I'm not sure I'm up to date on where all this is coming from. My questions

> are:

> 1. Are you hearing/seeing the same thing?

> 2. Is there any legitimate research or data that supports this, or is it

> just a new fad?

> 3. How are you replying and responding to these types of statements and

> assumptions and generalizations by your clients/patients?

>

> Thanks in advance!

> Guivens MS, RD, CDE

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Fasano has published research re gluten sensitivity non celiac. Celiac remains

about 1%. GS could be 10-20x that. He's looking at blood tests to diagnose. Now

GS if celiac negative but symptoms that resolve on gf diet.

Sent from my iPhone

>

> I have been hearing from more and more people in the general public, potential

clients, etc., that they are gluten intolerant. I also have a chiropractor

friend who raves about how bad gluten and dairy are (for everybody, not just

those with sensitivities) but has yet to show me the research or data she refers

to.

>

> I'm not sure I'm up to date on where all this is coming from. My questions

are:

> 1. Are you hearing/seeing the same thing?

> 2. Is there any legitimate research or data that supports this, or is it just

a new fad?

> 3. How are you replying and responding to these types of statements and

assumptions and generalizations by your clients/patients?

>

> Thanks in advance!

> Guivens MS, RD, CDE

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Great topic! I wrote up the research on gluten sensitivity and IBS,

neuropathies, etc a few months ago.

http://www.harriswholehealth.com/1358/

To sum up, yes it's a real phenomenon and there's pretty good evidence, it's

also become a fad.

Best,

Cheryl , MPH, RD, LD

Whole Health

3345 Duke St

andria, VA 22314

www.harriswholehealth.com

fax:

Follow me on Twitter @cherylharrisrd

>

> >

> > I have been hearing from more and more people in the general public,

potential clients, etc., that they are gluten intolerant. I also have a

chiropractor friend who raves about how bad gluten and dairy are (for everybody,

not just those with sensitivities) but has yet to show me the research or data

she refers to.

> >

> > I'm not sure I'm up to date on where all this is coming from. My questions

are:

> > 1. Are you hearing/seeing the same thing?

> > 2. Is there any legitimate research or data that supports this, or is it

just a new fad?

> > 3. How are you replying and responding to these types of statements and

assumptions and generalizations by your clients/patients?

> >

> > Thanks in advance!

> > Guivens MS, RD, CDE

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Great topic! I wrote up the research on gluten sensitivity and IBS,

neuropathies, etc a few months ago.

http://www.harriswholehealth.com/1358/

To sum up, yes it's a real phenomenon and there's pretty good evidence, it's

also become a fad.

Best,

Cheryl , MPH, RD, LD

Whole Health

3345 Duke St

andria, VA 22314

www.harriswholehealth.com

fax:

Follow me on Twitter @cherylharrisrd

>

> >

> > I have been hearing from more and more people in the general public,

potential clients, etc., that they are gluten intolerant. I also have a

chiropractor friend who raves about how bad gluten and dairy are (for everybody,

not just those with sensitivities) but has yet to show me the research or data

she refers to.

> >

> > I'm not sure I'm up to date on where all this is coming from. My questions

are:

> > 1. Are you hearing/seeing the same thing?

> > 2. Is there any legitimate research or data that supports this, or is it

just a new fad?

> > 3. How are you replying and responding to these types of statements and

assumptions and generalizations by your clients/patients?

> >

> > Thanks in advance!

> > Guivens MS, RD, CDE

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Part of this recent fascination RE limiting/eliminating dairy and glutens/grains

may come from folks with an ear to the Paleo communities. As illustrated below

by Kresser, and recently discussed on this list, Paleo means alot of

different things, but it typically encourages folks to examine their reliance on

processed foods, and industrial seed oils. By and large, folks who trial this

approach reduce their gluten and dairy exposure and rely on nuts, veggies and

berries for most of their carbs instead of from grains, milk and processed

foods.

Most of the scientific research has been done by Lorian Cordain.

He has demonstrated that compared to the average US diet a Paleo diet is far

more nutrient dense.

There is a Cordain concept that humans have only relied on grains for the last 6

generations, and that many folks have impaired digestive and absorptive capacity

to consume a majority of their calories from this group of foods.

Jun 17, 2011 08:35 am | Kresser

Over the last couple of years, as the popularity of the Paleo diet has expanded,

a lot of controversy has emerged over exactly what a Paleo diet is.

Part of the problem is that there are now a number of authors and bloggers –

from Mark Sisson to Kurt to Robb Wolf to Jaminet to myself – that

advocate what might generally be called a Paleo diet, but with slight variations

in each case. This has unfortunately led to some confusion for people new to the

“Paleo dietâ€.

It has also spawned new terminology in an effort by each author/blogger to

clarify the differences in their approach, such as Mark Sisson’s “Primal

dietâ€, Jaminet’s “Perfect Health Dietâ€, and Kurt ’ former

“PaNu or Paleo 2.0″ and current “Archevore†concepts.

So what’s the controversy or confusion all about? It usually revolves around

the following questions:

Is the Paleo diet low-carb or low-fat? Is saturated fat permitted? If so, how

much?

How much protein should someone eat on a Paleo diet?

Does the Paleo diet include dairy products – or not? Which kinds of dairy?

Are any grains at all permitted?

In the early days, following Loren Cordain’s book, The Paleo Diet: Lose Weight

and Get Healthy by Eating the Food You Were Designed to Eat, the Paleo diet was

considered to be moderate in carbohydrate and low in saturated fat (though

monounsaturated fat wasn’t restricted).

Then, as low-carb diets rose in popularity and many low-carbers switched over to

Paleo, it seemed that the lines between low-carb and Paleo began to blur. For

these folks, the Paleo diet is high in fat – especially saturated fat – and

low in carbohydrates, with a moderate amount of protein.

More recently, some authors/bloggers have advocated a diet based roughly on

Paleo principles but that also may include dairy products and even certain

grains like white rice and buckwheat, depending on individual tolerance. Still

others have suggested that a high carb, lower fat diet – provided the carbs

come from starchy vegetables and not grains – may be optimal.

So what is a Paleo diet? Is it low-carb? Low-fat? Does it include dairy? Grains?

We’re not robots: variation amongst groups and individuals

The answer to that question depends on several factors. First, are we asking

what our Paleolithic ancestors ate, or are we asking what an optimal diet for

modern humans is? While hard-core Paleo adherents will argue that there’s no

difference, others (including me) would suggest that the absence of a food

during the Paleolithic era does not necessarily mean that it’s not nutritious

or beneficial. Dairy products are a good example.

Second, as recent studies have revealed, we can’t really know what our

ancestors ate with 100% certainty, and there is undoubtedly a huge variation

amongst different populations. For example, we have the traditional Inuit and

the Masai who ate a diet high in fat (60-70% of calories for the Masai and up to

90% of calories for the Inuit), but we also have traditional peoples like the

Okinawans and Kitavans that obtained a majority (60-70% or more) of their

calories from carbohydrate. So it’s impossible to say that the diet of our

ancestors was either “low-carb†or “low-fatâ€, without specifying which

ancestors we’re talking about.

Third, if we are indeed asking what the optimal diet is for modern humans

(rather than simply speculating about what our Paleolithic ancestors ate),

there’s no way to answer that question definitively. Why? Because just as

there is tremendous variation amongst populations with diet, there is also

tremendous individual variation. Some people clearly do better with no dairy

products. Yet others seem to thrive on them. Some feel better with a low-carb

approach, while others feel better eating more carbohydrate. Some seem to

require a higher protein intake (up to 20-25% of calories), but others do well

when they eat a smaller amount (10-15%).

The Paleo diet vs. the Paleo template

I suggest we stop trying to define the “Paleo diet†and start thinking about

it instead as a “Paleo templateâ€.

What’s the difference? A Paleo diet implies a particular approach with clearly

defined parameters that all people should follow. There’s little room for

individual variation or experimentation.

A Paleo template implies a more flexible and individualized approach. A template

contains a basic format or set of general guidelines that can then be customized

based on the unique needs and experience of each person.

But here’s the key difference between a Paleo diet and a Paleo template:

following a diet doesn’t encourage the participant to think, experiment or

consider his or her specific circumstances, while following a template does.

In my 9 Steps to Perfect Health series, I attempted to define the general

dietary guidelines that constitute the Paleo template:

Don’t eat toxins: avoid industrial seed oils, improperly prepared cereal

grains and legumes and excess sugar (especially fructose)

Nourish your body: emphasize saturated and monounsaturated fat while reducing

intake of polyunsaturated fat, favor glucose/starch over fructose, and favor

ruminant animal protein and seafood over poultry

Eat real food: eat grass-fed, organic meat and wild fish, and local, organic

produce when possible. Avoid processed, refined and packaged food.

Within these guidelines, however, there’s a lot of room for individual

differences. When people ask me whether dairy products are healthy, I always say

“it dependsâ€. I give the same answer when I’m asked about nightshades,

caffeine, alcohol and carbohydrate intake.

The only way to figure out what an optimal diet is for you is to experiment and

observe. The best way to do that is to remove the “grey area†foods you

suspect you might have trouble with, like dairy, nightshades, eggs, etc. for a

period of time (usually 30 days is sufficient), and add them back in one at a

time and observe your reactions. This “30-day challenge†or elimination diet

is what folks like Robb Wolf have recommended for a long time.

As human beings we’re both similar and different. We share the same basic

physiology, which is why a Paleo template makes sense. There are certain foods

that, because of their chemical structure, adversely affect all of us regardless

of our individual differences. These are the foods I mentioned in my “Don’t

Eat Toxins†article.

On the other hand, each of us is unique. We grew up in different families, with

different dietary habits, life experiences, exposures to environmental toxins

and lifestyles. Many of our genes are the same, but some are different and the

way those genes have been triggered or expressed can also differ.

For someone with an autoimmune disease, dairy products, nightshades and eggs may

be problematic. Yet for others, these foods are often well-tolerated. This

variation merely underscores the importance of discovering your own optimal diet

rather than blindly following someone else’s prescription.

I think it’s a complete waste of time and energy to argue about what a Paleo

diet is, because the question is essentially unanswerable. The more important

question is, what is your optimal diet?

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>

> I have been hearing from more and more people in the general public, potential

clients, etc., that they are gluten intolerant. I also have a chiropractor

friend who raves about how bad gluten and dairy are (for everybody, not just

those with sensitivities) but has yet to show me the research or data she refers

to.

>

> I'm not sure I'm up to date on where all this is coming from. My questions

are:

> 1. Are you hearing/seeing the same thing?

> 2. Is there any legitimate research or data that supports this, or is it just

a new fad?

> 3. How are you replying and responding to these types of statements and

assumptions and generalizations by your clients/patients?

>

> Thanks in advance!

> Guivens MS, RD, CDE

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Part of this recent fascination RE limiting/eliminating dairy and glutens/grains

may come from folks with an ear to the Paleo communities. As illustrated below

by Kresser, and recently discussed on this list, Paleo means alot of

different things, but it typically encourages folks to examine their reliance on

processed foods, and industrial seed oils. By and large, folks who trial this

approach reduce their gluten and dairy exposure and rely on nuts, veggies and

berries for most of their carbs instead of from grains, milk and processed

foods.

Most of the scientific research has been done by Lorian Cordain.

He has demonstrated that compared to the average US diet a Paleo diet is far

more nutrient dense.

There is a Cordain concept that humans have only relied on grains for the last 6

generations, and that many folks have impaired digestive and absorptive capacity

to consume a majority of their calories from this group of foods.

Jun 17, 2011 08:35 am | Kresser

Over the last couple of years, as the popularity of the Paleo diet has expanded,

a lot of controversy has emerged over exactly what a Paleo diet is.

Part of the problem is that there are now a number of authors and bloggers –

from Mark Sisson to Kurt to Robb Wolf to Jaminet to myself – that

advocate what might generally be called a Paleo diet, but with slight variations

in each case. This has unfortunately led to some confusion for people new to the

“Paleo dietâ€.

It has also spawned new terminology in an effort by each author/blogger to

clarify the differences in their approach, such as Mark Sisson’s “Primal

dietâ€, Jaminet’s “Perfect Health Dietâ€, and Kurt ’ former

“PaNu or Paleo 2.0″ and current “Archevore†concepts.

So what’s the controversy or confusion all about? It usually revolves around

the following questions:

Is the Paleo diet low-carb or low-fat? Is saturated fat permitted? If so, how

much?

How much protein should someone eat on a Paleo diet?

Does the Paleo diet include dairy products – or not? Which kinds of dairy?

Are any grains at all permitted?

In the early days, following Loren Cordain’s book, The Paleo Diet: Lose Weight

and Get Healthy by Eating the Food You Were Designed to Eat, the Paleo diet was

considered to be moderate in carbohydrate and low in saturated fat (though

monounsaturated fat wasn’t restricted).

Then, as low-carb diets rose in popularity and many low-carbers switched over to

Paleo, it seemed that the lines between low-carb and Paleo began to blur. For

these folks, the Paleo diet is high in fat – especially saturated fat – and

low in carbohydrates, with a moderate amount of protein.

More recently, some authors/bloggers have advocated a diet based roughly on

Paleo principles but that also may include dairy products and even certain

grains like white rice and buckwheat, depending on individual tolerance. Still

others have suggested that a high carb, lower fat diet – provided the carbs

come from starchy vegetables and not grains – may be optimal.

So what is a Paleo diet? Is it low-carb? Low-fat? Does it include dairy? Grains?

We’re not robots: variation amongst groups and individuals

The answer to that question depends on several factors. First, are we asking

what our Paleolithic ancestors ate, or are we asking what an optimal diet for

modern humans is? While hard-core Paleo adherents will argue that there’s no

difference, others (including me) would suggest that the absence of a food

during the Paleolithic era does not necessarily mean that it’s not nutritious

or beneficial. Dairy products are a good example.

Second, as recent studies have revealed, we can’t really know what our

ancestors ate with 100% certainty, and there is undoubtedly a huge variation

amongst different populations. For example, we have the traditional Inuit and

the Masai who ate a diet high in fat (60-70% of calories for the Masai and up to

90% of calories for the Inuit), but we also have traditional peoples like the

Okinawans and Kitavans that obtained a majority (60-70% or more) of their

calories from carbohydrate. So it’s impossible to say that the diet of our

ancestors was either “low-carb†or “low-fatâ€, without specifying which

ancestors we’re talking about.

Third, if we are indeed asking what the optimal diet is for modern humans

(rather than simply speculating about what our Paleolithic ancestors ate),

there’s no way to answer that question definitively. Why? Because just as

there is tremendous variation amongst populations with diet, there is also

tremendous individual variation. Some people clearly do better with no dairy

products. Yet others seem to thrive on them. Some feel better with a low-carb

approach, while others feel better eating more carbohydrate. Some seem to

require a higher protein intake (up to 20-25% of calories), but others do well

when they eat a smaller amount (10-15%).

The Paleo diet vs. the Paleo template

I suggest we stop trying to define the “Paleo diet†and start thinking about

it instead as a “Paleo templateâ€.

What’s the difference? A Paleo diet implies a particular approach with clearly

defined parameters that all people should follow. There’s little room for

individual variation or experimentation.

A Paleo template implies a more flexible and individualized approach. A template

contains a basic format or set of general guidelines that can then be customized

based on the unique needs and experience of each person.

But here’s the key difference between a Paleo diet and a Paleo template:

following a diet doesn’t encourage the participant to think, experiment or

consider his or her specific circumstances, while following a template does.

In my 9 Steps to Perfect Health series, I attempted to define the general

dietary guidelines that constitute the Paleo template:

Don’t eat toxins: avoid industrial seed oils, improperly prepared cereal

grains and legumes and excess sugar (especially fructose)

Nourish your body: emphasize saturated and monounsaturated fat while reducing

intake of polyunsaturated fat, favor glucose/starch over fructose, and favor

ruminant animal protein and seafood over poultry

Eat real food: eat grass-fed, organic meat and wild fish, and local, organic

produce when possible. Avoid processed, refined and packaged food.

Within these guidelines, however, there’s a lot of room for individual

differences. When people ask me whether dairy products are healthy, I always say

“it dependsâ€. I give the same answer when I’m asked about nightshades,

caffeine, alcohol and carbohydrate intake.

The only way to figure out what an optimal diet is for you is to experiment and

observe. The best way to do that is to remove the “grey area†foods you

suspect you might have trouble with, like dairy, nightshades, eggs, etc. for a

period of time (usually 30 days is sufficient), and add them back in one at a

time and observe your reactions. This “30-day challenge†or elimination diet

is what folks like Robb Wolf have recommended for a long time.

As human beings we’re both similar and different. We share the same basic

physiology, which is why a Paleo template makes sense. There are certain foods

that, because of their chemical structure, adversely affect all of us regardless

of our individual differences. These are the foods I mentioned in my “Don’t

Eat Toxins†article.

On the other hand, each of us is unique. We grew up in different families, with

different dietary habits, life experiences, exposures to environmental toxins

and lifestyles. Many of our genes are the same, but some are different and the

way those genes have been triggered or expressed can also differ.

For someone with an autoimmune disease, dairy products, nightshades and eggs may

be problematic. Yet for others, these foods are often well-tolerated. This

variation merely underscores the importance of discovering your own optimal diet

rather than blindly following someone else’s prescription.

I think it’s a complete waste of time and energy to argue about what a Paleo

diet is, because the question is essentially unanswerable. The more important

question is, what is your optimal diet?

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>

> I have been hearing from more and more people in the general public, potential

clients, etc., that they are gluten intolerant. I also have a chiropractor

friend who raves about how bad gluten and dairy are (for everybody, not just

those with sensitivities) but has yet to show me the research or data she refers

to.

>

> I'm not sure I'm up to date on where all this is coming from. My questions

are:

> 1. Are you hearing/seeing the same thing?

> 2. Is there any legitimate research or data that supports this, or is it just

a new fad?

> 3. How are you replying and responding to these types of statements and

assumptions and generalizations by your clients/patients?

>

> Thanks in advance!

> Guivens MS, RD, CDE

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Also the unfounded autism link...

> **

>

>

> Part of this recent fascination RE limiting/eliminating dairy and

> glutens/grains may come from folks with an ear to the Paleo communities. As

> illustrated below by Kresser, and recently discussed on this list,

> Paleo means alot of different things, but it typically encourages folks to

> examine their reliance on processed foods, and industrial seed oils. By and

> large, folks who trial this approach reduce their gluten and dairy exposure

> and rely on nuts, veggies and berries for most of their carbs instead of

> from grains, milk and processed foods.

> Most of the scientific research has been done by Lorian Cordain.

> He has demonstrated that compared to the average US diet a Paleo diet is

> far more nutrient dense.

> There is a Cordain concept that humans have only relied on grains for the

> last 6 generations, and that many folks have impaired digestive and

> absorptive capacity to consume a majority of their calories from this group

> of foods.

>

> Jun 17, 2011 08:35 am | Kresser

> Over the last couple of years, as the popularity of the Paleo diet has

> expanded, a lot of controversy has emerged over exactly what a Paleo diet

> is.

>

> Part of the problem is that there are now a number of authors and bloggers

> – from Mark Sisson to Kurt to Robb Wolf to Jaminet to myself –

> that advocate what might generally be called a Paleo diet, but with slight

> variations in each case. This has unfortunately led to some confusion for

> people new to the “Paleo dietâ€.

>

> It has also spawned new terminology in an effort by each author/blogger to

> clarify the differences in their approach, such as Mark Sisson’s “Primal

> dietâ€, Jaminet’s “Perfect Health Dietâ€, and Kurt ’ former

“PaNu

> or Paleo 2.0″ and current “Archevore†concepts.

>

> So what’s the controversy or confusion all about? It usually revolves

> around the following questions:

>

> Is the Paleo diet low-carb or low-fat? Is saturated fat permitted? If so,

> how much?

> How much protein should someone eat on a Paleo diet?

> Does the Paleo diet include dairy products – or not? Which kinds of dairy?

> Are any grains at all permitted?

> In the early days, following Loren Cordain’s book, The Paleo Diet: Lose

> Weight and Get Healthy by Eating the Food You Were Designed to Eat, the

> Paleo diet was considered to be moderate in carbohydrate and low in

> saturated fat (though monounsaturated fat wasn’t restricted).

>

> Then, as low-carb diets rose in popularity and many low-carbers switched

> over to Paleo, it seemed that the lines between low-carb and Paleo began to

> blur. For these folks, the Paleo diet is high in fat – especially saturated

> fat – and low in carbohydrates, with a moderate amount of protein.

>

> More recently, some authors/bloggers have advocated a diet based roughly on

> Paleo principles but that also may include dairy products and even certain

> grains like white rice and buckwheat, depending on individual tolerance.

> Still others have suggested that a high carb, lower fat diet – provided the

> carbs come from starchy vegetables and not grains – may be optimal.

>

> So what is a Paleo diet? Is it low-carb? Low-fat? Does it include dairy?

> Grains?

>

> We’re not robots: variation amongst groups and individuals

>

> The answer to that question depends on several factors. First, are we

> asking what our Paleolithic ancestors ate, or are we asking what an optimal

> diet for modern humans is? While hard-core Paleo adherents will argue that

> there’s no difference, others (including me) would suggest that the absence

> of a food during the Paleolithic era does not necessarily mean that it’s not

> nutritious or beneficial. Dairy products are a good example.

>

> Second, as recent studies have revealed, we can’t really know what our

> ancestors ate with 100% certainty, and there is undoubtedly a huge variation

> amongst different populations. For example, we have the traditional Inuit

> and the Masai who ate a diet high in fat (60-70% of calories for the Masai

> and up to 90% of calories for the Inuit), but we also have traditional

> peoples like the Okinawans and Kitavans that obtained a majority (60-70% or

> more) of their calories from carbohydrate. So it’s impossible to say that

> the diet of our ancestors was either “low-carb†or “low-fatâ€, without

> specifying which ancestors we’re talking about.

>

> Third, if we are indeed asking what the optimal diet is for modern humans

> (rather than simply speculating about what our Paleolithic ancestors ate),

> there’s no way to answer that question definitively. Why? Because just as

> there is tremendous variation amongst populations with diet, there is also

> tremendous individual variation. Some people clearly do better with no dairy

> products. Yet others seem to thrive on them. Some feel better with a

> low-carb approach, while others feel better eating more carbohydrate. Some

> seem to require a higher protein intake (up to 20-25% of calories), but

> others do well when they eat a smaller amount (10-15%).

>

> The Paleo diet vs. the Paleo template

>

> I suggest we stop trying to define the “Paleo diet†and start thinking

> about it instead as a “Paleo templateâ€.

>

> What’s the difference? A Paleo diet implies a particular approach with

> clearly defined parameters that all people should follow. There’s little

> room for individual variation or experimentation.

>

> A Paleo template implies a more flexible and individualized approach. A

> template contains a basic format or set of general guidelines that can then

> be customized based on the unique needs and experience of each person.

>

> But here’s the key difference between a Paleo diet and a Paleo template:

> following a diet doesn’t encourage the participant to think, experiment or

> consider his or her specific circumstances, while following a template does.

>

> In my 9 Steps to Perfect Health series, I attempted to define the general

> dietary guidelines that constitute the Paleo template:

>

> Don’t eat toxins: avoid industrial seed oils, improperly prepared cereal

> grains and legumes and excess sugar (especially fructose)

> Nourish your body: emphasize saturated and monounsaturated fat while

> reducing intake of polyunsaturated fat, favor glucose/starch over fructose,

> and favor ruminant animal protein and seafood over poultry

> Eat real food: eat grass-fed, organic meat and wild fish, and local,

> organic produce when possible. Avoid processed, refined and packaged food.

> Within these guidelines, however, there’s a lot of room for individual

> differences. When people ask me whether dairy products are healthy, I always

> say “it dependsâ€. I give the same answer when I’m asked about

nightshades,

> caffeine, alcohol and carbohydrate intake.

>

> The only way to figure out what an optimal diet is for you is to experiment

> and observe. The best way to do that is to remove the “grey area†foods

you

> suspect you might have trouble with, like dairy, nightshades, eggs, etc. for

> a period of time (usually 30 days is sufficient), and add them back in one

> at a time and observe your reactions. This “30-day challenge†or

elimination

> diet is what folks like Robb Wolf have recommended for a long time.

>

> As human beings we’re both similar and different. We share the same basic

> physiology, which is why a Paleo template makes sense. There are certain

> foods that, because of their chemical structure, adversely affect all of us

> regardless of our individual differences. These are the foods I mentioned in

> my “Don’t Eat Toxins†article.

>

> On the other hand, each of us is unique. We grew up in different families,

> with different dietary habits, life experiences, exposures to environmental

> toxins and lifestyles. Many of our genes are the same, but some are

> different and the way those genes have been triggered or expressed can also

> differ.

>

> For someone with an autoimmune disease, dairy products, nightshades and

> eggs may be problematic. Yet for others, these foods are often

> well-tolerated. This variation merely underscores the importance of

> discovering your own optimal diet rather than blindly following someone

> else’s prescription.

>

> I think it’s a complete waste of time and energy to argue about what a

> Paleo diet is, because the question is essentially unanswerable. The more

> important question is, what is your optimal diet?

>

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> On Jun 17, 2011, at 11:21 PM, jenny gulbranson

> wrote:

>

> >

> > I have been hearing from more and more people in the general public,

> potential clients, etc., that they are gluten intolerant. I also have a

> chiropractor friend who raves about how bad gluten and dairy are (for

> everybody, not just those with sensitivities) but has yet to show me the

> research or data she refers to.

> >

> > I'm not sure I'm up to date on where all this is coming from. My

> questions are:

> > 1. Are you hearing/seeing the same thing?

> > 2. Is there any legitimate research or data that supports this, or is it

> just a new fad?

> > 3. How are you replying and responding to these types of statements and

> assumptions and generalizations by your clients/patients?

> >

> > Thanks in advance!

> > Guivens MS, RD, CDE

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Also the unfounded autism link...

> **

>

>

> Part of this recent fascination RE limiting/eliminating dairy and

> glutens/grains may come from folks with an ear to the Paleo communities. As

> illustrated below by Kresser, and recently discussed on this list,

> Paleo means alot of different things, but it typically encourages folks to

> examine their reliance on processed foods, and industrial seed oils. By and

> large, folks who trial this approach reduce their gluten and dairy exposure

> and rely on nuts, veggies and berries for most of their carbs instead of

> from grains, milk and processed foods.

> Most of the scientific research has been done by Lorian Cordain.

> He has demonstrated that compared to the average US diet a Paleo diet is

> far more nutrient dense.

> There is a Cordain concept that humans have only relied on grains for the

> last 6 generations, and that many folks have impaired digestive and

> absorptive capacity to consume a majority of their calories from this group

> of foods.

>

> Jun 17, 2011 08:35 am | Kresser

> Over the last couple of years, as the popularity of the Paleo diet has

> expanded, a lot of controversy has emerged over exactly what a Paleo diet

> is.

>

> Part of the problem is that there are now a number of authors and bloggers

> – from Mark Sisson to Kurt to Robb Wolf to Jaminet to myself –

> that advocate what might generally be called a Paleo diet, but with slight

> variations in each case. This has unfortunately led to some confusion for

> people new to the “Paleo dietâ€.

>

> It has also spawned new terminology in an effort by each author/blogger to

> clarify the differences in their approach, such as Mark Sisson’s “Primal

> dietâ€, Jaminet’s “Perfect Health Dietâ€, and Kurt ’ former

“PaNu

> or Paleo 2.0″ and current “Archevore†concepts.

>

> So what’s the controversy or confusion all about? It usually revolves

> around the following questions:

>

> Is the Paleo diet low-carb or low-fat? Is saturated fat permitted? If so,

> how much?

> How much protein should someone eat on a Paleo diet?

> Does the Paleo diet include dairy products – or not? Which kinds of dairy?

> Are any grains at all permitted?

> In the early days, following Loren Cordain’s book, The Paleo Diet: Lose

> Weight and Get Healthy by Eating the Food You Were Designed to Eat, the

> Paleo diet was considered to be moderate in carbohydrate and low in

> saturated fat (though monounsaturated fat wasn’t restricted).

>

> Then, as low-carb diets rose in popularity and many low-carbers switched

> over to Paleo, it seemed that the lines between low-carb and Paleo began to

> blur. For these folks, the Paleo diet is high in fat – especially saturated

> fat – and low in carbohydrates, with a moderate amount of protein.

>

> More recently, some authors/bloggers have advocated a diet based roughly on

> Paleo principles but that also may include dairy products and even certain

> grains like white rice and buckwheat, depending on individual tolerance.

> Still others have suggested that a high carb, lower fat diet – provided the

> carbs come from starchy vegetables and not grains – may be optimal.

>

> So what is a Paleo diet? Is it low-carb? Low-fat? Does it include dairy?

> Grains?

>

> We’re not robots: variation amongst groups and individuals

>

> The answer to that question depends on several factors. First, are we

> asking what our Paleolithic ancestors ate, or are we asking what an optimal

> diet for modern humans is? While hard-core Paleo adherents will argue that

> there’s no difference, others (including me) would suggest that the absence

> of a food during the Paleolithic era does not necessarily mean that it’s not

> nutritious or beneficial. Dairy products are a good example.

>

> Second, as recent studies have revealed, we can’t really know what our

> ancestors ate with 100% certainty, and there is undoubtedly a huge variation

> amongst different populations. For example, we have the traditional Inuit

> and the Masai who ate a diet high in fat (60-70% of calories for the Masai

> and up to 90% of calories for the Inuit), but we also have traditional

> peoples like the Okinawans and Kitavans that obtained a majority (60-70% or

> more) of their calories from carbohydrate. So it’s impossible to say that

> the diet of our ancestors was either “low-carb†or “low-fatâ€, without

> specifying which ancestors we’re talking about.

>

> Third, if we are indeed asking what the optimal diet is for modern humans

> (rather than simply speculating about what our Paleolithic ancestors ate),

> there’s no way to answer that question definitively. Why? Because just as

> there is tremendous variation amongst populations with diet, there is also

> tremendous individual variation. Some people clearly do better with no dairy

> products. Yet others seem to thrive on them. Some feel better with a

> low-carb approach, while others feel better eating more carbohydrate. Some

> seem to require a higher protein intake (up to 20-25% of calories), but

> others do well when they eat a smaller amount (10-15%).

>

> The Paleo diet vs. the Paleo template

>

> I suggest we stop trying to define the “Paleo diet†and start thinking

> about it instead as a “Paleo templateâ€.

>

> What’s the difference? A Paleo diet implies a particular approach with

> clearly defined parameters that all people should follow. There’s little

> room for individual variation or experimentation.

>

> A Paleo template implies a more flexible and individualized approach. A

> template contains a basic format or set of general guidelines that can then

> be customized based on the unique needs and experience of each person.

>

> But here’s the key difference between a Paleo diet and a Paleo template:

> following a diet doesn’t encourage the participant to think, experiment or

> consider his or her specific circumstances, while following a template does.

>

> In my 9 Steps to Perfect Health series, I attempted to define the general

> dietary guidelines that constitute the Paleo template:

>

> Don’t eat toxins: avoid industrial seed oils, improperly prepared cereal

> grains and legumes and excess sugar (especially fructose)

> Nourish your body: emphasize saturated and monounsaturated fat while

> reducing intake of polyunsaturated fat, favor glucose/starch over fructose,

> and favor ruminant animal protein and seafood over poultry

> Eat real food: eat grass-fed, organic meat and wild fish, and local,

> organic produce when possible. Avoid processed, refined and packaged food.

> Within these guidelines, however, there’s a lot of room for individual

> differences. When people ask me whether dairy products are healthy, I always

> say “it dependsâ€. I give the same answer when I’m asked about

nightshades,

> caffeine, alcohol and carbohydrate intake.

>

> The only way to figure out what an optimal diet is for you is to experiment

> and observe. The best way to do that is to remove the “grey area†foods

you

> suspect you might have trouble with, like dairy, nightshades, eggs, etc. for

> a period of time (usually 30 days is sufficient), and add them back in one

> at a time and observe your reactions. This “30-day challenge†or

elimination

> diet is what folks like Robb Wolf have recommended for a long time.

>

> As human beings we’re both similar and different. We share the same basic

> physiology, which is why a Paleo template makes sense. There are certain

> foods that, because of their chemical structure, adversely affect all of us

> regardless of our individual differences. These are the foods I mentioned in

> my “Don’t Eat Toxins†article.

>

> On the other hand, each of us is unique. We grew up in different families,

> with different dietary habits, life experiences, exposures to environmental

> toxins and lifestyles. Many of our genes are the same, but some are

> different and the way those genes have been triggered or expressed can also

> differ.

>

> For someone with an autoimmune disease, dairy products, nightshades and

> eggs may be problematic. Yet for others, these foods are often

> well-tolerated. This variation merely underscores the importance of

> discovering your own optimal diet rather than blindly following someone

> else’s prescription.

>

> I think it’s a complete waste of time and energy to argue about what a

> Paleo diet is, because the question is essentially unanswerable. The more

> important question is, what is your optimal diet?

>

> comments | read more

>

>

> You have received this message because you opted in at my blog, The Healthy

> Skeptic.

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> Registered Dietitian

> Sent from my iPhone

>

>

> On Jun 17, 2011, at 11:21 PM, jenny gulbranson

> wrote:

>

> >

> > I have been hearing from more and more people in the general public,

> potential clients, etc., that they are gluten intolerant. I also have a

> chiropractor friend who raves about how bad gluten and dairy are (for

> everybody, not just those with sensitivities) but has yet to show me the

> research or data she refers to.

> >

> > I'm not sure I'm up to date on where all this is coming from. My

> questions are:

> > 1. Are you hearing/seeing the same thing?

> > 2. Is there any legitimate research or data that supports this, or is it

> just a new fad?

> > 3. How are you replying and responding to these types of statements and

> assumptions and generalizations by your clients/patients?

> >

> > Thanks in advance!

> > Guivens MS, RD, CDE

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your feedback. This is my concern: I understand that there is

likely a decent amount of people with genuine intolerance or sensitivity, but

for most people without sensitivities, there's no reason to avoid gluten,

correct?

And what about dairy? What's " wrong " with dairy, if anything?

Again, any studies that lead to harmful effects of either?

Thanks much, everyone!

Guivens

> To: rd-usa

> From: nrord1@...

> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 07:37:46 -0400

> Subject: Re: gluten and dairy intolerance: " fad " or legit?

>

> Fad and legit...without a test you can't just pick what you might have or

> not. That sounds typical for a chiro - bad info. My biggest worry is that

> these people go on these diets (even when justified) and end up consuming a

> nutrition-depleted diet. Need a reliable diagnosis and of course see a

> dietitian well versed in these diets.

>

> On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 12:21 AM, jenny gulbranson

> wrote:

>

> > **

> >

> >

> >

> > I have been hearing from more and more people in the general public,

> > potential clients, etc., that they are gluten intolerant. I also have a

> > chiropractor friend who raves about how bad gluten and dairy are (for

> > everybody, not just those with sensitivities) but has yet to show me the

> > research or data she refers to.

> >

> > I'm not sure I'm up to date on where all this is coming from. My questions

> > are:

> > 1. Are you hearing/seeing the same thing?

> > 2. Is there any legitimate research or data that supports this, or is it

> > just a new fad?

> > 3. How are you replying and responding to these types of statements and

> > assumptions and generalizations by your clients/patients?

> >

> > Thanks in advance!

> > Guivens MS, RD, CDE

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Sure if non-expert tries to follow them , especially in children who are

still growing

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19931065

On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 11:48 AM, jenny gulbranson

wrote:

>

> Thank you for your feedback. This is my concern: I understand that there

> is likely a decent amount of people with genuine intolerance or sensitivity,

> but for most people without sensitivities, there's no reason to avoid

> gluten, correct?

>

> And what about dairy? What's " wrong " with dairy, if anything?

>

> Again, any studies that lead to harmful effects of either?

>

> Thanks much, everyone!

> Guivens

>

>

> > To: rd-usa

> > From: nrord1@...

> > Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 07:37:46 -0400

> > Subject: Re: gluten and dairy intolerance: " fad " or legit?

> >

> > Fad and legit...without a test you can't just pick what you might have or

> > not. That sounds typical for a chiro - bad info. My biggest worry is

> that

> > these people go on these diets (even when justified) and end up consuming

> a

> > nutrition-depleted diet. Need a reliable diagnosis and of course see a

> > dietitian well versed in these diets.

> >

> > On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 12:21 AM, jenny gulbranson

> > wrote:

> >

> > > **

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I have been hearing from more and more people in the general public,

> > > potential clients, etc., that they are gluten intolerant. I also have a

> > > chiropractor friend who raves about how bad gluten and dairy are (for

> > > everybody, not just those with sensitivities) but has yet to show me

> the

> > > research or data she refers to.

> > >

> > > I'm not sure I'm up to date on where all this is coming from. My

> questions

> > > are:

> > > 1. Are you hearing/seeing the same thing?

> > > 2. Is there any legitimate research or data that supports this, or is

> it

> > > just a new fad?

> > > 3. How are you replying and responding to these types of statements and

> > > assumptions and generalizations by your clients/patients?

> > >

> > > Thanks in advance!

> > > Guivens MS, RD, CDE

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi -

In response to your questions.....

> concern: ....... but for most people without sensitivities, there's no reason

to avoid gluten, correct?

>

> And what about dairy? What's " wrong " with dairy, if anything?

>

> Again, any studies that lead to harmful effects of either?

Sharing some perspective....

My local gym puts everyone on a default diet that is 40% carbs, and gluten free.

They don't suggest limiting dairy but they do recommend fermented dairy, fat

containing fluid milk and cheeses and butter, over fat free dairy products and

margarine.

As an RD, I originally thought that limiting gluten was a ridiculous restriction

without any merit.

But, I have listened and observed a lot of folks who have heard this dietary

advice and I have collected some observations.

Some hear " go gluten free " and they go out and buy gluten free bread, and

pretzels, waffles and cookies etc. If they have no true gluten intolerance I

find this switch has no benefit and can be expensive.

Others hear " go gluten free " and they try to eliminate wheat, and usually HFCS.

They add in rice, corn, quinoa, buckwheat, and popcorn... and essentially stay

out of the center of the grocery store. Many people report feeling better and

report gains toward their health goals. Others say..... I just can't give up

bagels, bread, etc.

Then a 3rd group hears " go gluten free " and they shun grains and rely on nuts,

seeds, veggies and fruits for carbs. Some may find this helps them achieve their

health goals, others see no benefit.

As an RD, there is diet analysis and diet advice that we could provide for all

these different folks to help them ensure they are making decisions that help

them reach their goals.

Anecdotal..... I personally thought the notion of going gluten free was

misguided. I tried it myself....and I have experienced health benefits. I have a

friend who is my age (40s) who leaned out remarkably for a fitness competition

with a diet that included gluten. There is no reason for me to think gluten is

inherently harmful, but it is a nutrient that can alter health out comes for

some.

Osowski MS, RD, LD

Registered Dietitian

Sent from my iPhone

>

> Thank you for your feedback. This is my concern: I understand that there is

likely a decent amount of people with genuine intolerance or sensitivity, but

for most people without sensitivities, there's no reason to avoid gluten,

correct?

>

> And what about dairy? What's " wrong " with dairy, if anything?

>

> Again, any studies that lead to harmful effects of either?

>

> Thanks much, everyone!

> Guivens

>

>

>> To: rd-usa

>> From: nrord1@...

>> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 07:37:46 -0400

>> Subject: Re: gluten and dairy intolerance: " fad " or legit?

>>

>> Fad and legit...without a test you can't just pick what you might have or

>> not. That sounds typical for a chiro - bad info. My biggest worry is that

>> these people go on these diets (even when justified) and end up consuming a

>> nutrition-depleted diet. Need a reliable diagnosis and of course see a

>> dietitian well versed in these diets.

>>

>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 12:21 AM, jenny gulbranson

>> wrote:

>>

>>> **

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> I have been hearing from more and more people in the general public,

>>> potential clients, etc., that they are gluten intolerant. I also have a

>>> chiropractor friend who raves about how bad gluten and dairy are (for

>>> everybody, not just those with sensitivities) but has yet to show me the

>>> research or data she refers to.

>>>

>>> I'm not sure I'm up to date on where all this is coming from. My questions

>>> are:

>>> 1. Are you hearing/seeing the same thing?

>>> 2. Is there any legitimate research or data that supports this, or is it

>>> just a new fad?

>>> 3. How are you replying and responding to these types of statements and

>>> assumptions and generalizations by your clients/patients?

>>>

>>> Thanks in advance!

>>> Guivens MS, RD, CDE

>>>

>>>

>>>