Re: Re: Low-FOODMAPS diet for IBS

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Was the " suspected SIBO " given antibiotics? Taking a probiotic also?

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In a message dated 11/11/2011 7:22:23 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,

melissa.phillips@... writes:

There was a session at FNCE about using a low FODMAPS diet in people with

IBS who also have small bowel bacterial overgrowth. Since FNCE I have had

2 patients start on a low FODMAPS diet. One of them the MD had in his note

" suspect small bacterial overgrowth " and another was a very complicated

case and I used it more as a last resort.

The first patient is doing very well, symptoms have 90% subsided. She is

starting to re-introduce some fruits and grains w/o symptoms.

I have not seen the second patient back to assess her progress yet.

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> Not sure if any of you saw the WSJ piece about avoidance of highly

> fermentable carbs for those with IBS.

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> Interesting area of research....has anyone prescribed this type of diet?

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> http://www.appforhealth.com/2011/11/a-new-diet-for-ibs/

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I liked the Starbucks blurb better than the FODMAPS diet or acronym.

Individualizing a bit from such a lot of restrictions would seem like an early

goal. The don't use list has some pretty nutrient dense choices. Although at my

worst autoimmune sensitive phase, I did find raw green veggies were

occasionally a bad, bad thing. Steamed was better. The value in individualized

counseling of course is working through the healing phase and helping work in

more variety later. Certainly liked seeing most of the dairy group largely on

the don't use side. The avoid fruits surprised me a bit. I haven't usually had

a problem with whole pear or apple but the juice gave many WIC children diarrhea

though. Quantity of food for the bacteria is the issue. So after thinking about

it , it does look like a good general guide for someone within the bad flair-up

phase. Portion control helps too though - half the tray of raw broccoli may

cause a gassy overgrowth where a few pieces might just feed the body. Gas was a

very popular pregnancy topic.

(FODMAPS -snicker, snicker - kinda like AND - I guess we can't all be ACORN's -

the unfortunately defunct association for community organization reform now -

they were framed per Wikepedia - I didn't remember who they were - just my

favorite acronym for a group ever)

http://webecoist.com/2008/09/07/17-amazing-examples-of-fractals-in-nature/

website I saw today - just pretty

Ginger BTW kills worms, virus, and bacteria, heals ulcers and reduces pain,

swelling and prostate cancer - not a bad group of side effects - blood thinner

and reduces tooth decay risk from gingivitis or plaque or something.

Reducing food supply is the goal of FODMAPS to starve and prevent the overgrowth

of the bacterial load. So the ginger is helping by physically reducing the

original negative population - avoiding the food supply is reducing potential of

new growth. I bet garlic actually has some killing power maybe too - never

looked into garlic.

I think horseradish also protects by killing but it is also supposed to be a

goitrogen so not sure about horseradish. Carrots have actual pesticide

properties in the falcarinol that give them anticancer benefits

http://gingerjens.blogspot.com/2011/10/raw-carrot-day-may-help-keep-cancer.html

(there is an " away " in the actual blog title the url is a bit unfortunate)

PS - it may seem weird but I am delighted to announce that a Geriatric dietitian

has been found to take my place at the nursing home that I've been avoiding . I

need to go back only this month - at least I bought them Becky Dorner's policy

books while I was there - not excellent at making money and only one of five

magneium recommendations got an Rx for it out of last months attempts. I am

going to work on a few recipes with them still.

phosholipid rich freebie - make banana nut bread with buckwheat flour for half

the flour and it will taste like walnuts but no walnuts (my son wouldn't eat it

that way and I got out of the walnut habit in banana bread). It's the

phospholipids that taste bitter. So allergy reduced food with increased brain

building power (half the brain's weight is phospholipid). Skip the wheat flour

and use half oat flour. Rye plus oat was way too moist, the buckwheat adds a

texture closer to the wheat flour.

Vajda, R.D.

www.GingerJens.com

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To: rd-usa

Sent: Sat, November 12, 2011 12:03:29 PM

Subject: Re: Low-FOODMAPS diet for IBS

No antibiotic, and I had her start Florajen and it made her feel worse (in the

first couple of days) so we d/c it. She re-started it a couple days before

seeing me in follow-up w/o issues that time?. (time span was 4 1/2 weeks).

> >

> > Not sure if any of you saw the WSJ piece about avoidance of highly

> > fermentable carbs for those with IBS.

> >

> > Interesting area of research....has anyone prescribed this type of diet?

> >

> > http://www.appforhealth.com/2011/11/a-new-diet-for-ibs/

> >

> > --

> > Upton, M.S., R.D., CSSD

> > Appetite for Health

> > www.AppforHealth.com

> > t:

> > m:

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> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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[Guest guest]

I liked the Starbucks blurb better than the FODMAPS diet or acronym.

Individualizing a bit from such a lot of restrictions would seem like an early

goal. The don't use list has some pretty nutrient dense choices. Although at my

worst autoimmune sensitive phase, I did find raw green veggies were

occasionally a bad, bad thing. Steamed was better. The value in individualized

counseling of course is working through the healing phase and helping work in

more variety later. Certainly liked seeing most of the dairy group largely on

the don't use side. The avoid fruits surprised me a bit. I haven't usually had

a problem with whole pear or apple but the juice gave many WIC children diarrhea

though. Quantity of food for the bacteria is the issue. So after thinking about

it , it does look like a good general guide for someone within the bad flair-up

phase. Portion control helps too though - half the tray of raw broccoli may

cause a gassy overgrowth where a few pieces might just feed the body. Gas was a

very popular pregnancy topic.

(FODMAPS -snicker, snicker - kinda like AND - I guess we can't all be ACORN's -

the unfortunately defunct association for community organization reform now -

they were framed per Wikepedia - I didn't remember who they were - just my

favorite acronym for a group ever)

http://webecoist.com/2008/09/07/17-amazing-examples-of-fractals-in-nature/

website I saw today - just pretty

Ginger BTW kills worms, virus, and bacteria, heals ulcers and reduces pain,

swelling and prostate cancer - not a bad group of side effects - blood thinner

and reduces tooth decay risk from gingivitis or plaque or something.

Reducing food supply is the goal of FODMAPS to starve and prevent the overgrowth

of the bacterial load. So the ginger is helping by physically reducing the

original negative population - avoiding the food supply is reducing potential of

new growth. I bet garlic actually has some killing power maybe too - never

looked into garlic.

I think horseradish also protects by killing but it is also supposed to be a

goitrogen so not sure about horseradish. Carrots have actual pesticide

properties in the falcarinol that give them anticancer benefits

http://gingerjens.blogspot.com/2011/10/raw-carrot-day-may-help-keep-cancer.html

(there is an " away " in the actual blog title the url is a bit unfortunate)

PS - it may seem weird but I am delighted to announce that a Geriatric dietitian

has been found to take my place at the nursing home that I've been avoiding . I

need to go back only this month - at least I bought them Becky Dorner's policy

books while I was there - not excellent at making money and only one of five

magneium recommendations got an Rx for it out of last months attempts. I am

going to work on a few recipes with them still.

phosholipid rich freebie - make banana nut bread with buckwheat flour for half

the flour and it will taste like walnuts but no walnuts (my son wouldn't eat it

that way and I got out of the walnut habit in banana bread). It's the

phospholipids that taste bitter. So allergy reduced food with increased brain

building power (half the brain's weight is phospholipid). Skip the wheat flour

and use half oat flour. Rye plus oat was way too moist, the buckwheat adds a

texture closer to the wheat flour.

Vajda, R.D.

www.GingerJens.com

________________________________

To: rd-usa

Sent: Sat, November 12, 2011 12:03:29 PM

Subject: Re: Low-FOODMAPS diet for IBS

No antibiotic, and I had her start Florajen and it made her feel worse (in the

first couple of days) so we d/c it. She re-started it a couple days before

seeing me in follow-up w/o issues that time?. (time span was 4 1/2 weeks).

> >

> > Not sure if any of you saw the WSJ piece about avoidance of highly

> > fermentable carbs for those with IBS.

> >

> > Interesting area of research....has anyone prescribed this type of diet?

> >

> > http://www.appforhealth.com/2011/11/a-new-diet-for-ibs/

> >

> > --

> > Upton, M.S., R.D., CSSD

> > Appetite for Health

> > www.AppforHealth.com

> > t:

> > m:

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> Yahoo! Groups Links

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

I liked the Starbucks blurb better than the FODMAPS diet or acronym.

Individualizing a bit from such a lot of restrictions would seem like an early

goal. The don't use list has some pretty nutrient dense choices. Although at my

worst autoimmune sensitive phase, I did find raw green veggies were

occasionally a bad, bad thing. Steamed was better. The value in individualized

counseling of course is working through the healing phase and helping work in

more variety later. Certainly liked seeing most of the dairy group largely on

the don't use side. The avoid fruits surprised me a bit. I haven't usually had

a problem with whole pear or apple but the juice gave many WIC children diarrhea

though. Quantity of food for the bacteria is the issue. So after thinking about

it , it does look like a good general guide for someone within the bad flair-up

phase. Portion control helps too though - half the tray of raw broccoli may

cause a gassy overgrowth where a few pieces might just feed the body. Gas was a

very popular pregnancy topic.

(FODMAPS -snicker, snicker - kinda like AND - I guess we can't all be ACORN's -

the unfortunately defunct association for community organization reform now -

they were framed per Wikepedia - I didn't remember who they were - just my

favorite acronym for a group ever)

http://webecoist.com/2008/09/07/17-amazing-examples-of-fractals-in-nature/

website I saw today - just pretty

Ginger BTW kills worms, virus, and bacteria, heals ulcers and reduces pain,

swelling and prostate cancer - not a bad group of side effects - blood thinner

and reduces tooth decay risk from gingivitis or plaque or something.

Reducing food supply is the goal of FODMAPS to starve and prevent the overgrowth

of the bacterial load. So the ginger is helping by physically reducing the

original negative population - avoiding the food supply is reducing potential of

new growth. I bet garlic actually has some killing power maybe too - never

looked into garlic.

I think horseradish also protects by killing but it is also supposed to be a

goitrogen so not sure about horseradish. Carrots have actual pesticide

properties in the falcarinol that give them anticancer benefits

http://gingerjens.blogspot.com/2011/10/raw-carrot-day-may-help-keep-cancer.html

(there is an " away " in the actual blog title the url is a bit unfortunate)

PS - it may seem weird but I am delighted to announce that a Geriatric dietitian

has been found to take my place at the nursing home that I've been avoiding . I

need to go back only this month - at least I bought them Becky Dorner's policy

books while I was there - not excellent at making money and only one of five

magneium recommendations got an Rx for it out of last months attempts. I am

going to work on a few recipes with them still.

phosholipid rich freebie - make banana nut bread with buckwheat flour for half

the flour and it will taste like walnuts but no walnuts (my son wouldn't eat it

that way and I got out of the walnut habit in banana bread). It's the

phospholipids that taste bitter. So allergy reduced food with increased brain

building power (half the brain's weight is phospholipid). Skip the wheat flour

and use half oat flour. Rye plus oat was way too moist, the buckwheat adds a

texture closer to the wheat flour.

Vajda, R.D.

www.GingerJens.com

________________________________

To: rd-usa

Sent: Sat, November 12, 2011 12:03:29 PM

Subject: Re: Low-FOODMAPS diet for IBS

No antibiotic, and I had her start Florajen and it made her feel worse (in the

first couple of days) so we d/c it. She re-started it a couple days before

seeing me in follow-up w/o issues that time?. (time span was 4 1/2 weeks).

> >

> > Not sure if any of you saw the WSJ piece about avoidance of highly

> > fermentable carbs for those with IBS.

> >

> > Interesting area of research....has anyone prescribed this type of diet?

> >

> > http://www.appforhealth.com/2011/11/a-new-diet-for-ibs/

> >

> > --

> > Upton, M.S., R.D., CSSD

> > Appetite for Health

> > www.AppforHealth.com

> > t:

> > m:

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> Yahoo! Groups Links

>

>

>

>

>

>

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