Guest guest Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 That is why there is a product banana flakes that is used for diarrhea. I had a few cancer patients use it with good results. One product is Banatrol. > > > Hi , > > I think much of what we've always recommended as dietitians is based on > " observation " not " research " - such as the BRAT diet. > > But, bananas - I honestly recall a good reason why they were recommended, > and clearly, I've had MANY a chronic constipation client that found out > that > their regular banana consumption WAS the culprit! (Black tea too.) > > For tea - tannins may play a role. Rice - esp. if white. . . again, often, > chronic constipation clients do much better when they cut out white rice > (but, may also play a role that they are substituting something else higher > > in fiber.) > > Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT > Director of Medical Nutrition > Signet Diagnostic Corp. > Telecommuting Nationwide > (Mountain Time) > Fax: > DineRight4@... > > Certified LEAP Therapist and specialist in food sensitivity for IBS, > migraine, fibromyalgia and multiple inflammatory conditions. Co-author of > the > Certified LEAP Therapist (CLT) Training Course. > > In a message dated 3/12/2011 5:10:16 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, > rd-usa writes: > > Are bananas constipating? I had many parents not use bananas because their > > doctor said they are constipating. I never could figure out where that > came > from. (Either BRAT diet taken backward ie reverse logic trail if bananas > reduce > diarrhea then they must be constipating or not enough water I suspect, a > dinky > kid plus a huge banana = a lot of fruit density/solute load ? I was > clueless and > just tried to encourage portion control and use of bananas occ in balanced > diet) > Messages stick and can be hard to un-teach. > > BTW - I may get a chance to work on promoting " better adherence to the > Dietary > Guidelines " (vague or not) - my application was accepted for review after > all! I > got snail mail notification instead of email. (Arkansas still sounds hot > and > sunny though) > > R Vajda, R.D. > www.GingerJens.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 That is why there is a product banana flakes that is used for diarrhea. I had a few cancer patients use it with good results. One product is Banatrol. > > > Hi , > > I think much of what we've always recommended as dietitians is based on > " observation " not " research " - such as the BRAT diet. > > But, bananas - I honestly recall a good reason why they were recommended, > and clearly, I've had MANY a chronic constipation client that found out > that > their regular banana consumption WAS the culprit! (Black tea too.) > > For tea - tannins may play a role. Rice - esp. if white. . . again, often, > chronic constipation clients do much better when they cut out white rice > (but, may also play a role that they are substituting something else higher > > in fiber.) > > Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT > Director of Medical Nutrition > Signet Diagnostic Corp. > Telecommuting Nationwide > (Mountain Time) > Fax: > DineRight4@... > > Certified LEAP Therapist and specialist in food sensitivity for IBS, > migraine, fibromyalgia and multiple inflammatory conditions. Co-author of > the > Certified LEAP Therapist (CLT) Training Course. > > In a message dated 3/12/2011 5:10:16 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, > rd-usa writes: > > Are bananas constipating? I had many parents not use bananas because their > > doctor said they are constipating. I never could figure out where that > came > from. (Either BRAT diet taken backward ie reverse logic trail if bananas > reduce > diarrhea then they must be constipating or not enough water I suspect, a > dinky > kid plus a huge banana = a lot of fruit density/solute load ? I was > clueless and > just tried to encourage portion control and use of bananas occ in balanced > diet) > Messages stick and can be hard to un-teach. > > BTW - I may get a chance to work on promoting " better adherence to the > Dietary > Guidelines " (vague or not) - my application was accepted for review after > all! I > got snail mail notification instead of email. (Arkansas still sounds hot > and > sunny though) > > R Vajda, R.D. > www.GingerJens.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 That is why there is a product banana flakes that is used for diarrhea. I had a few cancer patients use it with good results. One product is Banatrol. > > > Hi , > > I think much of what we've always recommended as dietitians is based on > " observation " not " research " - such as the BRAT diet. > > But, bananas - I honestly recall a good reason why they were recommended, > and clearly, I've had MANY a chronic constipation client that found out > that > their regular banana consumption WAS the culprit! (Black tea too.) > > For tea - tannins may play a role. Rice - esp. if white. . . again, often, > chronic constipation clients do much better when they cut out white rice > (but, may also play a role that they are substituting something else higher > > in fiber.) > > Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT > Director of Medical Nutrition > Signet Diagnostic Corp. > Telecommuting Nationwide > (Mountain Time) > Fax: > DineRight4@... > > Certified LEAP Therapist and specialist in food sensitivity for IBS, > migraine, fibromyalgia and multiple inflammatory conditions. Co-author of > the > Certified LEAP Therapist (CLT) Training Course. > > In a message dated 3/12/2011 5:10:16 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, > rd-usa writes: > > Are bananas constipating? I had many parents not use bananas because their > > doctor said they are constipating. I never could figure out where that > came > from. (Either BRAT diet taken backward ie reverse logic trail if bananas > reduce > diarrhea then they must be constipating or not enough water I suspect, a > dinky > kid plus a huge banana = a lot of fruit density/solute load ? I was > clueless and > just tried to encourage portion control and use of bananas occ in balanced > diet) > Messages stick and can be hard to un-teach. > > BTW - I may get a chance to work on promoting " better adherence to the > Dietary > Guidelines " (vague or not) - my application was accepted for review after > all! I > got snail mail notification instead of email. (Arkansas still sounds hot > and > sunny though) > > R Vajda, R.D. > www.GingerJens.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Bananas are a good part of the anti-diarrhea diet because of the sponge-like water soluble fiber content - which seems to follow that they would also be a good part of an anti-constipating diet for everyone as well. However if there is a subpopulation that doesn't have the enzymes to break down all aspects of the banana and if there is enough buildup of negative metabolites to have system wide impact - then bananas may be constipating in that subpopulation (probably would still have to be eating a lot of bananas though). Bananas are high in tryptamine, part of tyrptophan which autistic kids have been found to have problems metabolizing. It is a building block of melatonin, serotonin and is itself thought to have neurotransmitter activity (the tryptamine not the banana). Vajda, R.D. www.GingerJens.com ________________________________ To: rd-usa Sent: Thu, March 17, 2011 2:37:54 PM Subject: Bananas-constipating Hi , I think much of what we've always recommended as dietitians is based on " observation " not " research " - such as the BRAT diet. But, bananas - I honestly recall a good reason why they were recommended, and clearly, I've had MANY a chronic constipation client that found out that their regular banana consumption WAS the culprit! (Black tea too.) For tea - tannins may play a role. Rice - esp. if white. . . again, often, chronic constipation clients do much better when they cut out white rice (but, may also play a role that they are substituting something else higher in fiber.) Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT Director of Medical Nutrition Signet Diagnostic Corp. Telecommuting Nationwide (Mountain Time) Fax: DineRight4@... Certified LEAP Therapist and specialist in food sensitivity for IBS, migraine, fibromyalgia and multiple inflammatory conditions. Co-author of the Certified LEAP Therapist (CLT) Training Course. In a message dated 3/12/2011 5:10:16 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, rd-usa writes: Are bananas constipating? I had many parents not use bananas because their doctor said they are constipating. I never could figure out where that came from. (Either BRAT diet taken backward ie reverse logic trail if bananas reduce diarrhea then they must be constipating or not enough water I suspect, a dinky kid plus a huge banana = a lot of fruit density/solute load ? I was clueless and just tried to encourage portion control and use of bananas occ in balanced diet) Messages stick and can be hard to un-teach. R Vajda, R.D. www.GingerJens.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Bananas are a good part of the anti-diarrhea diet because of the sponge-like water soluble fiber content - which seems to follow that they would also be a good part of an anti-constipating diet for everyone as well. However if there is a subpopulation that doesn't have the enzymes to break down all aspects of the banana and if there is enough buildup of negative metabolites to have system wide impact - then bananas may be constipating in that subpopulation (probably would still have to be eating a lot of bananas though). Bananas are high in tryptamine, part of tyrptophan which autistic kids have been found to have problems metabolizing. It is a building block of melatonin, serotonin and is itself thought to have neurotransmitter activity (the tryptamine not the banana). Vajda, R.D. www.GingerJens.com ________________________________ To: rd-usa Sent: Thu, March 17, 2011 2:37:54 PM Subject: Bananas-constipating Hi , I think much of what we've always recommended as dietitians is based on " observation " not " research " - such as the BRAT diet. But, bananas - I honestly recall a good reason why they were recommended, and clearly, I've had MANY a chronic constipation client that found out that their regular banana consumption WAS the culprit! (Black tea too.) For tea - tannins may play a role. Rice - esp. if white. . . again, often, chronic constipation clients do much better when they cut out white rice (but, may also play a role that they are substituting something else higher in fiber.) Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT Director of Medical Nutrition Signet Diagnostic Corp. Telecommuting Nationwide (Mountain Time) Fax: DineRight4@... Certified LEAP Therapist and specialist in food sensitivity for IBS, migraine, fibromyalgia and multiple inflammatory conditions. Co-author of the Certified LEAP Therapist (CLT) Training Course. In a message dated 3/12/2011 5:10:16 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, rd-usa writes: Are bananas constipating? I had many parents not use bananas because their doctor said they are constipating. I never could figure out where that came from. (Either BRAT diet taken backward ie reverse logic trail if bananas reduce diarrhea then they must be constipating or not enough water I suspect, a dinky kid plus a huge banana = a lot of fruit density/solute load ? I was clueless and just tried to encourage portion control and use of bananas occ in balanced diet) Messages stick and can be hard to un-teach. R Vajda, R.D. www.GingerJens.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 I don’t know the answer, but I *do* know that when my son was 8 months old and I started trying foods, he would ONLY eat bananas… so he got about 1 a day… along with breast milk (no decrease in breast milk at all). That poor kid got so constipated! I cut back on the bananas – and bingo, he started going regularly again. From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of Vajda Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 12:03 PM To: rd-usa Subject: Re: Bananas-constipating Bananas are a good part of the anti-diarrhea diet because of the sponge-like water soluble fiber content - which seems to follow that they would also be a good part of an anti-constipating diet for everyone as well. However if there is a subpopulation that doesn't have the enzymes to break down all aspects of the banana and if there is enough buildup of negative metabolites to have system wide impact - then bananas may be constipating in that subpopulation (probably would still have to be eating a lot of bananas though). Bananas are high in tryptamine, part of tyrptophan which autistic kids have been found to have problems metabolizing. It is a building block of melatonin, serotonin and is itself thought to have neurotransmitter activity (the tryptamine not the banana). Vajda, R.D. www.GingerJens.com ________________________________ From: " Dineright4@...<mailto:Dineright4%40aol.com> " <Dineright4@...<mailto:Dineright4%40aol.com>> To: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, March 17, 2011 2:37:54 PM Subject: Bananas-constipating Hi , I think much of what we've always recommended as dietitians is based on " observation " not " research " - such as the BRAT diet. But, bananas - I honestly recall a good reason why they were recommended, and clearly, I've had MANY a chronic constipation client that found out that their regular banana consumption WAS the culprit! (Black tea too.) For tea - tannins may play a role. Rice - esp. if white. . . again, often, chronic constipation clients do much better when they cut out white rice (but, may also play a role that they are substituting something else higher in fiber.) Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT Director of Medical Nutrition Signet Diagnostic Corp. Telecommuting Nationwide (Mountain Time) Fax: DineRight4@...<mailto:DineRight4%40aol.com> Certified LEAP Therapist and specialist in food sensitivity for IBS, migraine, fibromyalgia and multiple inflammatory conditions. Co-author of the Certified LEAP Therapist (CLT) Training Course. In a message dated 3/12/2011 5:10:16 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> writes: Are bananas constipating? I had many parents not use bananas because their doctor said they are constipating. I never could figure out where that came from. (Either BRAT diet taken backward ie reverse logic trail if bananas reduce diarrhea then they must be constipating or not enough water I suspect, a dinky kid plus a huge banana = a lot of fruit density/solute load ? I was clueless and just tried to encourage portion control and use of bananas occ in balanced diet) Messages stick and can be hard to un-teach. R Vajda, R.D. www.GingerJens.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 I don’t know the answer, but I *do* know that when my son was 8 months old and I started trying foods, he would ONLY eat bananas… so he got about 1 a day… along with breast milk (no decrease in breast milk at all). That poor kid got so constipated! I cut back on the bananas – and bingo, he started going regularly again. From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of Vajda Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 12:03 PM To: rd-usa Subject: Re: Bananas-constipating Bananas are a good part of the anti-diarrhea diet because of the sponge-like water soluble fiber content - which seems to follow that they would also be a good part of an anti-constipating diet for everyone as well. However if there is a subpopulation that doesn't have the enzymes to break down all aspects of the banana and if there is enough buildup of negative metabolites to have system wide impact - then bananas may be constipating in that subpopulation (probably would still have to be eating a lot of bananas though). Bananas are high in tryptamine, part of tyrptophan which autistic kids have been found to have problems metabolizing. It is a building block of melatonin, serotonin and is itself thought to have neurotransmitter activity (the tryptamine not the banana). Vajda, R.D. www.GingerJens.com ________________________________ From: " Dineright4@...<mailto:Dineright4%40aol.com> " <Dineright4@...<mailto:Dineright4%40aol.com>> To: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, March 17, 2011 2:37:54 PM Subject: Bananas-constipating Hi , I think much of what we've always recommended as dietitians is based on " observation " not " research " - such as the BRAT diet. But, bananas - I honestly recall a good reason why they were recommended, and clearly, I've had MANY a chronic constipation client that found out that their regular banana consumption WAS the culprit! (Black tea too.) For tea - tannins may play a role. Rice - esp. if white. . . again, often, chronic constipation clients do much better when they cut out white rice (but, may also play a role that they are substituting something else higher in fiber.) Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT Director of Medical Nutrition Signet Diagnostic Corp. Telecommuting Nationwide (Mountain Time) Fax: DineRight4@...<mailto:DineRight4%40aol.com> Certified LEAP Therapist and specialist in food sensitivity for IBS, migraine, fibromyalgia and multiple inflammatory conditions. Co-author of the Certified LEAP Therapist (CLT) Training Course. In a message dated 3/12/2011 5:10:16 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> writes: Are bananas constipating? I had many parents not use bananas because their doctor said they are constipating. I never could figure out where that came from. (Either BRAT diet taken backward ie reverse logic trail if bananas reduce diarrhea then they must be constipating or not enough water I suspect, a dinky kid plus a huge banana = a lot of fruit density/solute load ? I was clueless and just tried to encourage portion control and use of bananas occ in balanced diet) Messages stick and can be hard to un-teach. R Vajda, R.D. www.GingerJens.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Moderation and variety - key that usually opens the door to health. Can take a little time to find sometimes. I looked up banana nutrient content and the amino acid profile is skewed towards glutamic acid and aspartic acid, 1 medium banana providing 179 mg glutamic and 146 aspartic acid in only 1.29 gr total protein. They both can have neurotransmitter function - who knows what that might do? - or it is really a lot of potassium compared to all other electrolytes - balance issue throwing things off maybe. 358 mg potassium, 1 mg sodium, 5 mg calcium, 27 mg magnesium - Low water to calorie ratio -adding to hydration issue maybe; 105 calories with 88 gr water and 2.6 grams fiber Seems like a load to a tiny system but I think I need a renal consult to double check. http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/cgi-bin/list_nut_edit.pl medium banana raw NDB#09040 Vajda, R.D. www.GingerJens.com ________________________________ To: rd-usa Sent: Fri, March 18, 2011 2:43:57 PM Subject: RE: Bananas-constipating I don’t know the answer, but I *do* know that when my son was 8 months old and I started trying foods, he would ONLY eat bananas… so he got about 1 a day… along with breast milk (no decrease in breast milk at all). That poor kid got so constipated! I cut back on the bananas – and bingo, he started going regularly again. From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of Vajda Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 12:03 PM To: rd-usa Subject: Re: Bananas-constipating Bananas are a good part of the anti-diarrhea diet because of the sponge-like water soluble fiber content - which seems to follow that they would also be a good part of an anti-constipating diet for everyone as well. However if there is a subpopulation that doesn't have the enzymes to break down all aspects of the banana and if there is enough buildup of negative metabolites to have system wide impact - then bananas may be constipating in that subpopulation (probably would still have to be eating a lot of bananas though). Bananas are high in tryptamine, part of tyrptophan which autistic kids have been found to have problems metabolizing. It is a building block of melatonin, serotonin and is itself thought to have neurotransmitter activity (the tryptamine not the banana). Vajda, R.D. www.GingerJens.com ________________________________ From: " Dineright4@...<mailto:Dineright4%40aol.com> " <Dineright4@...<mailto:Dineright4%40aol.com>> To: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, March 17, 2011 2:37:54 PM Subject: Bananas-constipating Hi , I think much of what we've always recommended as dietitians is based on " observation " not " research " - such as the BRAT diet. But, bananas - I honestly recall a good reason why they were recommended, and clearly, I've had MANY a chronic constipation client that found out that their regular banana consumption WAS the culprit! (Black tea too.) For tea - tannins may play a role. Rice - esp. if white. . . again, often, chronic constipation clients do much better when they cut out white rice (but, may also play a role that they are substituting something else higher in fiber.) Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT Director of Medical Nutrition Signet Diagnostic Corp. Telecommuting Nationwide (Mountain Time) Fax: DineRight4@...<mailto:DineRight4%40aol.com> Certified LEAP Therapist and specialist in food sensitivity for IBS, migraine, fibromyalgia and multiple inflammatory conditions. Co-author of the Certified LEAP Therapist (CLT) Training Course. In a message dated 3/12/2011 5:10:16 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> writes: Are bananas constipating? I had many parents not use bananas because their doctor said they are constipating. I never could figure out where that came from. (Either BRAT diet taken backward ie reverse logic trail if bananas reduce diarrhea then they must be constipating or not enough water I suspect, a dinky kid plus a huge banana = a lot of fruit density/solute load ? I was clueless and just tried to encourage portion control and use of bananas occ in balanced diet) Messages stick and can be hard to un-teach. R Vajda, R.D. www.GingerJens.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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