Jill (re: b/c pills, etc.)

[Guest guest]

Jill,

Sorry about your unhappy reaction to those b/c pills. I have also been

battling a yucky yeast infection, which somehow has delayed my ovulation at

the same time (but I'm not on any b/c hormones at all). Something that

worked for me was apple cider vinegar - the unrefined kind from the health

food store - both drinking it and diluted with water to make a vaginal wash.

It helps to restore the proper ph balance which can cause the candida to

get out of control. And acidophilus.

You sound like a very healthy person already, and I am sure it is just the

hormones that making your body out of wack. After my surgery, constipation

was also a problem because of the anesthetic and the pain killers, and I

used psyllium husk, making sure to drink tons of water throughout the day.

It worked very well.

Take care, and good luck with the surgery!

SU resected, bicollis, ttc

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for the advice! And thanks to everyone else who

replied to sympathize. I was intrigued by the cider vinegar bit. I

had been sticking broken open probiotic pills up there to try to

stop the yeast, but they were only helping somewhat.

I then searched the web under yeast infection and vinegar, and

got MORE info about home remedies than I ever wanted!

I have to report, and this is humorous and gross at the same

time, I have found one that works. Works VERY WELL!

Rip one clove off of a head of garlic. Peel off the papery skin.

Then, well, hrm, then you just insert it. The clove. It stays for a

long time. If you are worried about losing it, it was suggested to

tie dental floss around it. But I can feel it with my finger no

problem, so I'm sure I can get it out.

The garlic dramatically lowers the pH of your vagina, making it

very hard for yeast to grow, and letting the bacteria regain their

lost ground, reestablishing balance. It really really really works!

You are supposed to use one per day, and then a new one per

night, until one full day and night after your symptoms stop, and

then discontinue use.

Sick. Strange. Weird. But I don't care WHAT I've gotta stick up

there to get the pain to stop!!

As for my other " lack of movement " side effect, it's gone, b/c I

stopped the pills 2 days early. I'll just start up a new pack 2 days

early, and use condoms. I'm also going to use a different kind of

pill this time. And this time, I only have to take week 1 of the new

pill pack and then my surgery comes. I'm going to fight very

harrd with MD tomorrow morning at my pre-op appt about not

taking post op hormones. I looked it up on PubMed (the

database of medical journal articles) and there are several

studies comparing groups of SU resection women who get

hormones to those who don't, and there is no diff (IN FACT, the

women with NO hormones have a tiny bit better odds of live birth

of the post-resection first child.... It's very small, but still...) So I'll

bring in my articles, and tell him how miserable hormones make

me feel. We'll see what he says; I 'll do a post appt. report for you

all.

Thanks for the sympathy! I'm now feeling almost 100% again!

Jill

SU

lap/hyst 5/21

> Jill,

> Sorry about your unhappy reaction to those b/c pills. I have

also been

> battling a yucky yeast infection, which somehow has delayed

my ovulation at

> the same time (but I'm not on any b/c hormones at all).

Something that

> worked for me was apple cider vinegar - the unrefined kind

from the health

> food store - both drinking it and diluted with water to make a

vaginal wash.

> It helps to restore the proper ph balance which can cause the

candida to

> get out of control. And acidophilus.

> You sound like a very healthy person already, and I am sure it

is just the

> hormones that making your body out of wack. After my surgery,

constipation

> was also a problem because of the anesthetic and the pain

killers, and I

> used psyllium husk, making sure to drink tons of water

throughout the day.

> It worked very well.

> Take care, and good luck with the surgery!

>

> SU resected, bicollis, ttc

>

>

>

>

>

__________________________________________________

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> Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger:

http://messenger.msn.com

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I'll give you the address: www.pubmed.gov. It takes patience

and a lot of creative search terms.

Here's all I was able to find. 4 articles saying estrogen makes

no difference. 1 article says it does when you have a very broad

based septum. I have a very broad and long septum. After

talking with the MD this a.m., I agree now in theory about the

hormones. I am going to have a very large section of " raw "

uterine tissue. He doesn't want it to grow together and make an

adhesion, or they'll have to cut that open, and cause more scar

tissue. He said a smaller septum or a fibroid or

something--fine, no horomones, but that I would be putting

myself somewhat at risk with a broad septum and no hormones.

Here are the articles:

Against Hormones:

Nawroth, F, Schmidt, F, Freise, C, Foth, D, and Romer, T. (2002)

Is it possible to recommend an " optimal " postoperative

management after hysteroscopic metroplasty? A restrospective

study with 52 infertile patients showing a septate uterus. Acta

Obstet Gynecol Scand 81:55-57.

Vercellini, P, Fedele, L, Arcaini, L, Rognoni, MT, Candiani, GB.

(1989) Value of intrauterine device insertion and estrogen

administration after hysteroscopic metroplasty. J Reprod Med

34:447-50.

Dabirashrafi, H, Mohammad, K, Moghadami-Tabrizi, N,

Zandinejad, K, Moghadami-Tabrizi, M. (1996). Is estrogen

necessary after hysteroscopic incision of the uterine septum? J

Am Assoc Gynecol Laparosc 3:623-5.

Assaf, A, Serour, G, Elkady, A, el Agizy, H. (1990) Endoscopic

management of the intrauterine septum. Int J Gynaecol Obstet

32:43-51.

For Estrogen:

Assaf, A. (1998) Value of postoperative treatment after cutting of

a broad base uterine septum. In J of Gyn Ob 64:315-316.

To get the abstracts, go to Pubmed, and in the box at the top,

type in " assaf a and septum " or " dabirashrafi h and septum " and

such. Do not put a comma between authors last and first

names.

So, I've decided to take the hormones.

Good luck,

Jill

SU

lap/hyst 5/21

> > Jill,

> > Sorry about your unhappy reaction to those b/c pills. I have

> also been

> > battling a yucky yeast infection, which somehow has delayed

> my ovulation at

> > the same time (but I'm not on any b/c hormones at all).

> Something that

> > worked for me was apple cider vinegar - the unrefined kind

> from the health

> > food store - both drinking it and diluted with water to make a

> vaginal wash.

> > It helps to restore the proper ph balance which can cause

the

> candida to

> > get out of control. And acidophilus.

> > You sound like a very healthy person already, and I am sure it

> is just the

> > hormones that making your body out of wack. After my

surgery,

> constipation

> > was also a problem because of the anesthetic and the pain

> killers, and I

> > used psyllium husk, making sure to drink tons of water

> throughout the day.

> > It worked very well.

> > Take care, and good luck with the surgery!

> >

> > SU resected, bicollis, ttc

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

__________________________________________________

> _______________

> > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger:

> http://messenger.msn.com

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I'll give you the address: www.pubmed.gov. It takes patience

and a lot of creative search terms.

Here's all I was able to find. 4 articles saying estrogen makes

no difference. 1 article says it does when you have a very broad

based septum. I have a very broad and long septum. After

talking with the MD this a.m., I agree now in theory about the

hormones. I am going to have a very large section of " raw "

uterine tissue. He doesn't want it to grow together and make an

adhesion, or they'll have to cut that open, and cause more scar

tissue. He said a smaller septum or a fibroid or

something--fine, no horomones, but that I would be putting

myself somewhat at risk with a broad septum and no hormones.

Here are the articles:

Against Hormones:

Nawroth, F, Schmidt, F, Freise, C, Foth, D, and Romer, T. (2002)

Is it possible to recommend an " optimal " postoperative

management after hysteroscopic metroplasty? A restrospective

study with 52 infertile patients showing a septate uterus. Acta

Obstet Gynecol Scand 81:55-57.

Vercellini, P, Fedele, L, Arcaini, L, Rognoni, MT, Candiani, GB.

(1989) Value of intrauterine device insertion and estrogen

administration after hysteroscopic metroplasty. J Reprod Med

34:447-50.

Dabirashrafi, H, Mohammad, K, Moghadami-Tabrizi, N,

Zandinejad, K, Moghadami-Tabrizi, M. (1996). Is estrogen

necessary after hysteroscopic incision of the uterine septum? J

Am Assoc Gynecol Laparosc 3:623-5.

Assaf, A, Serour, G, Elkady, A, el Agizy, H. (1990) Endoscopic

management of the intrauterine septum. Int J Gynaecol Obstet

32:43-51.

For Estrogen:

Assaf, A. (1998) Value of postoperative treatment after cutting of

a broad base uterine septum. In J of Gyn Ob 64:315-316.

To get the abstracts, go to Pubmed, and in the box at the top,

type in " assaf a and septum " or " dabirashrafi h and septum " and

such. Do not put a comma between authors last and first

names.

So, I've decided to take the hormones.

Good luck,

Jill

SU

lap/hyst 5/21

> > Jill,

> > Sorry about your unhappy reaction to those b/c pills. I have

> also been

> > battling a yucky yeast infection, which somehow has delayed

> my ovulation at

> > the same time (but I'm not on any b/c hormones at all).

> Something that

> > worked for me was apple cider vinegar - the unrefined kind

> from the health

> > food store - both drinking it and diluted with water to make a

> vaginal wash.

> > It helps to restore the proper ph balance which can cause

the

> candida to

> > get out of control. And acidophilus.

> > You sound like a very healthy person already, and I am sure it

> is just the

> > hormones that making your body out of wack. After my

surgery,

> constipation

> > was also a problem because of the anesthetic and the pain

> killers, and I

> > used psyllium husk, making sure to drink tons of water

> throughout the day.

> > It worked very well.

> > Take care, and good luck with the surgery!

> >

> > SU resected, bicollis, ttc

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

__________________________________________________

> _______________

> > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger:

> http://messenger.msn.com

>

>

>

>